READER COMMENTS ON
"[UPDATED] EXCLUSIVE: BOBBY KENNEDY JR. TO QUESTION 2004 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IN MAJOR ROLLING STONE FEATURE ARTICLE!"
(310 Responses so far...)
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:10 pm PT...
BANG THE GONG!!!
The swing state of Florida in 2000.
Thes swing states of Florida, New Mexico, Nevada, AND Ohio in 2004.
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devin
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:11 pm PT...
Glad one of the Kennedy's is showcasing this story-pointing to 'elephant in the room'...right on time for the '06 midterms.
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Anj Taylor
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:12 pm PT...
Did RFK, Jr. write this when he was taking his meds?
How can he be sure he wrote this article? How can I be sure the Kennedy's are doing anything but meds, drinking, and driving. Say hello to Dick C next time you are on the phone.
Anj
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:22 pm PT...
2 People who need to weigh in on this one:
Bob Fitrakis of the Ohio Free Press and Presidential Candidate in 2004 who TRIED unsuccessfully to have some sort of legitimate recount in Ohio, David Cobb of the Green Party.
In 2000 the swing state of Florida was stolen.
In 2004, the swing states of Florida, New Mexico, Neveda AND Ohio.
Kerry went to Iraq and made a statement he was not contesting the election fraud. Screw him.
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JPentz
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:27 pm PT...
Let's hope Bobby does not become another "tragic story" of Camelot. He's a great guy.
So was Paul Wellstone. So was John Jr., his cousin.
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:28 pm PT...
I never miss Ring of Fire on Air America Radio. . . Now more to look foward to.
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JLaw
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:37 pm PT...
Anj,
You're getting your Kennedys mixed up. That was Teddy's son.
Understandable, given the size of the family and their political tendencies... but I'm not sure that RFK Jr. is on any medications that would affect judgement and I'm not willing to hold him responsible for family members who might be. Hear him out.
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Ricky
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:39 pm PT...
Wow. Keep it up and Bush will not win another election. Good job guys!
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Margaret G
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:40 pm PT...
Election fraud of this magnitude would constitute a conspiracy to overthrow the government, treason, and may require the death penalty if proven. :hehe:
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Isabel
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:53 pm PT...
:D Margaret G, I like the way you think! Go Bobby! Let's bring those criminals DOWN!!!!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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I want truth!
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:54 pm PT...
God bless those Kennedys!
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Savantster
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:57 pm PT...
You're right, pRicky.. Jeb Bush is looking to have his turn at fucking over the masses and helping his oil-interests get uber rich, then not have to pay an estate tax on it when his daddy dies.
But, we'll likely get the elections corrected so the will of the people is applied again, then you and your 29% (and falling) crew can get back to the business of trying to figure out how to hijack the country again.
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 5/31/2006 @ 1:59 pm PT...
David Cobb, Bob Fitrakis and not to leave out Bev Harris or anyone from Black Box Voting were very outspoken a deaf media ear. Get an updated story from them since they roared how "We the People" was a story called "We the Rigged."
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leftlou
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:00 pm PT...
I would say the secrets have been in the right hands for some time now. The U.S. has no right invading other countries and telling them about democracy and voting....Bush Boys.
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DJ
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:02 pm PT...
Ricky is right. The lunatic left rolled over and got crushed in 2000 because they voted for Nader. Now, they hire the raging moron Howard Dean to run the party of Roosevelt and Truman. Now, what do you do? Write a whiny article, in Rolling Stone of all places, exposing the fact that Bush is "corrupt". Duh. Gee, thanks for pointing that out in 2006. Many of us knew this 6 years ago. REMEMBER: IF YOU VOTED FOR NADER, BUSH IS *YOUR FAULT* and you bear some responsibility for the 30,000 dead and wounded (mostly) men in Iraq!!! whew
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dtravni
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:05 pm PT...
Margaret G has encapsulated it most succinctly. And, so as to not "mis-underestimate" the power of these fascists - probably time to start stocking up on anti-anthrax stuff.
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ARC:St Wendeler
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:06 pm PT...
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but don't you realize that these stories are all just part of Another Rovian Conspiracy? What better way to marginalize the Democratic Party than to have them caricatured as wild-eyed conspiracy theorists who won't shut the @$#% up about an election 2 or even 6 years ago?!
Regards,
St Wendeler
Another Rovian Conspiracy
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Fred
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:07 pm PT...
Conservaturds have no agenda except their unbridled greed and disregard for humanity. :angry:
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:07 pm PT...
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Savantster
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:08 pm PT...
Right you are, DJ.. blame the voters for a system that has been rigged for decades to not facilitate "true representation", but to encourage "party politics".
Though, Shrubby didn't win in 2000 either, he was appointed. Or did you miss that bit? And from the looks of things, it wouldn't have mattered if those votes had gone to Gore instead of Nader.. the fix was in, I'm sure. If not in 2000, then in 2004 and Sept. 11, 2001 would have been Sept. 11, 2005 and we'd still be in this war, and still dismantling this country.. Of course, there's the huge surpluss we'd probably have had to fight the war with instead of this huge deficit we have now.. but...
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Savantster
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:15 pm PT...
ARC:St Wendeler...
Do you suggest we all just ignore the broke electoral system then? Don't get the "facts" out there so people can see that these machines are HUGE PROBLEMS for -every- American?
Seems like the typical Repug mind-set is to just ignore everything and let those (corrupt pricks) in charge make all the descisions.. After all, isn't that their job? protect us from ourselves?
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Old Turk ---- SEND BRAD $$$$$$$$ !!!!!
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:16 pm PT...
Good timing to address these issues of election fraud,... something can still be done to seek corrective action prior to Nov. 2006. This issue will soon become irrelevant and stale to accomplish anything meaningful before 2006,... we can not wait for 2008,.. by then FASCISM will have a strangle hold on our political systems,... a death grip. This we can not permit.
We may get a clean election and turn back the tide
of FASCISM,.. take our country back.
Thank You Rolling Stone,.. Thank You Robert F. Kennedy Jr.,.. And last but not the least of them all - THANK YOU MR. BRADLEY FRIEDMAN.
God Bless them all !!!!!
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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FunMe
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:17 pm PT...
GREAT to hear about this article.
And who cares if they attack back. WE are now on attack mode too.
And the more they attack, the more ATTENTION this will get.
We now have 71% of the people on our side. The people united will never be defeated!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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dolly lanna
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:24 pm PT...
The MSM should be held accountable along with all the criminals in the white house. This story had legs in 2004 and no one danced with it. Shame on the MSM for ignoring this attack on America. I would be so proud to watch Bush Co be held accountable for once and for all.
Thank you Bobby
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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blogslut
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:29 pm PT...
Can't wait to read it. Go Bobby Jr!
Kids, this wasn't just machine-hacking. They made people wait in the rain for hours, they overpacked targeted voting locations, hardware broke down...certain, numerous voters were disenfranchised on purpose.
Don't you guys remember that mess in Ohio?
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angryspittle
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:29 pm PT...
The real culprits are the felonious five, one of whom is burning in hell right about now.
Bush V. Gore defenestrated the constitution.
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Old Turk ---- SEND BRAD $$$$$$$$ !!!!!
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:35 pm PT...
Oh,.. Raw Story has a direct link to Bradblog
and this thread,... nice exposure.
Raw Story Link :
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Soul Rebel
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:41 pm PT...
DJ #15
Screw you. I'll vote for whomever I want. Nader's votes made zero difference in the outcome of Florida 2000. THe election was rigged. If Gore had gotten 538 of the votes that went to Nader, the fucking Katherine Harris/Jeb Bush crime team would have made sure the official count was whatever it needed to be for Bush to win Florida.
When YOU blame people for voting their conscience, wanting a legitimate third party - when you bully people because of their vote, how are you any different than the fascists who currently are in power? Explain that one to me. I'm so fucking tired of Democrats blaming Nader. Remember that Nader was one of the few who contested the vote in 2000 AND 2004. Perhaps Gore and Kerry should both take a page...
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epppie
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:41 pm PT...
I wonder if the article will have any new information and whether it will have put the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together any better.
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Bob
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:45 pm PT...
Seems like some people are confusing Patrick Kennedy, son of Ted Kennedy, who crashed his car in DC and is in drug rehab, and Robert Kennedy Jr., who is a highly responsible guy and widely respected within the progressive community. WE need to follow-up with letters to Congress, the media, calls to friends, to keep this issue alive. Thanks, thanks, thanks to the Brad Blog for not letting go of this story!!!!
Let's hope that this will force the national media to PAY ATTENTION for once and, along with the growing Iraqi murder investigations (I feel so sorry for the marines who have been placed in such hell by this regime that they lost it and committed terrible things), will make for a very hot summer for the bushies.
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Blutodog
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:49 pm PT...
The HAVA act has to be reversed. We need to toss the computers they're the central part of the Fascist takeover of this country. Bu$h and his gang are anything but Conservatives they're Fascist radicals and they are rapidly consolidating all power into King george's hands. 1 more terror attack and these thugs will open the camp doors there friends at Halliburton are building and we'll all be detained by Homeland Security for having the temerity to question Dear leader. These bastards have no intention of ever allowing another fair and free election in this country. They wipe their ass with the Constitution daily.
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Old Turk ---- SEND BRAD $$$$$$$$ !!!!!
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:51 pm PT...
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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CD
said on 5/31/2006 @ 2:59 pm PT...
Sadly due to his drug use+his voice issues his opinion will have little impact.
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jimb
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:03 pm PT...
The MSM never reported on this before. They never even touched what Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris did to fix the election in 2000. If Bush were polling around 50% or more, this story would go nowhere. But, after all that's happened in the past year (just go review press clippings of the White House scandals du jour yourself), the incompetence and dishonesty of this regime in the eyes of the American public, this one's got legs. And, call it "whiny" all you want. The facts don't whine. When the public finally gets to see what was done in Ohio, just for starters, they're going to hate Bush even more and they're going to be yelling at their congressmen to impeach him.
It's shaping up to be a perfect storm. With Gore's film in release around the country next week, as Bush continues to do less than nothing about our country's contributions to the effects of global warming, people are going to get a real clear idea of just how abominable this administration is.
As much as I hated seeing Bush steal a second term in the White House, I think I actually prefer to see him go down this way. He's going to go down hard. And on top of all the other crimes they nail him for, I hope they get him for war crimes and put his sick, twisted, lying ass away forever.
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kdaves
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:06 pm PT...
This is hopeful. But do I dare hope in a world gone mad?
The last three elections have been blatantly stolen. I will never get over the sick feeling I felt waking up to find that bush was being called the winner over Gore. When I went to bed that night, Gore had won.
Never before had this happened. Never before had a state not gone for the candidate for whom it was called.
2004 was more complicated than 2000, which made it harder to crack, and the popular vote caused a lot of people to not care, so the story went more slowly.
Finally, someone with a voice and a conscience and a sense of moral obligation has stepped forward.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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Shannon Williford
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:12 pm PT...
Hooray!
Let's all buy up the Rolling Stone issue and spread it around!
shw
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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supersoling
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:14 pm PT...
Fantastic news Brad. Hopefully Kennedy's name recognition will give this the kick in the ass it needs to finally hit the consciousness of average Americans. I can't wait to read the article and see what evidence he has.
StevenD at Boomantribune has frontpaged your post here.
Great work kid.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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unadonna
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:20 pm PT...
DJ: If the elections were rigged, why the hell would it matter if we voted for Nader? Your logic is greatly flawed.
Blame the criminals. Not those among us who voted for the candidate we felt would do the best job. Isn't that what democracy is supposed to be about?
This two party system, and its corrupt voting mechanisms is rotten to the very core.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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spear
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:25 pm PT...
what about the 2000 election? isn't there a pantload of evidence on that as well? same thing with 9/11? isn't there massive amounts of evidence disputing the official story? same thing with the iraq 'war'. same thing with just about everything thats screwed up, i just thought we weren't supposed to talk about it.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:27 pm PT...
Get Kennedy a copy of LOUDER THAN WORDS 2ND EDITION. loosechange911.com so ALL AMERICANS AND CITIZENS OF THE WORLD CAN LEARN that Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld etc created 9/11 and the story these liers and the media has spun is a load of BUSHIT.
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Charlie L
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:29 pm PT...
Don't EVER forget that Gore won Florida by over 50,000+ votes, so Nader was NOT a factor.
Which 50,000 votes?
Those were the ones that were thrown out when the voter (often a first-timer, newly registered) checked off for GORE and then WROTE-IN (there was often a space at the bottom of the list of candidates) either GORE again or LIBERMAN. These were all thrown out (NO, the voters were NOT given a chance to correct them) even though under Florida's "intent of the voter" standard, the vote was clear.
Oh, yes, there were under 1,000 similar over-votes for Bush, in case you were wondering.
REPUBLICANS ARE THIEVES.
REPUBLICANS ARE CHEATS.
REPUBLICANS ARE LIARS.
REPUBLICANS ARE COWARDS.
And HELL, I'm gonna have to get a subscription to the ROLLING STONE --- this is like the third major article in the last 12 months where they are brining attention to matters long ignored or covered up by the rest of the right-wing corporate-controlled media.
Greg Palast goes on tour beginning June 5 (right here in Portland)... DO NOT MISS HIM!!!
Charlie L
Portland, OR
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
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Mugzi
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:30 pm PT...
Way to go!!! If nothing, it will make people think, hmmmm.... it's not a bad thing!!!
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whatever
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:31 pm PT...
you people act like america was a democracy at one point. it wasnt. the kennedy's are a bunch of elite murderers no different from the bush's.
what? because some liberal elite guy says it it is suddenly gonna be taken as truth?
your elections have ALWAYS been owned by the rich.
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Uriah Heep
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:31 pm PT...
I don't know...Robt Kennedy was hysterical in his pieces on autism & mercury. I need to see good documentation on this one.
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colleenmilitarymom
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:41 pm PT...
YAAAYYY!!!! I think have tears in my eyes.
Thabks again Brad and blog.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
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We Count.
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:49 pm PT...
We have Congress largely to thank for the mess we are in:
'HAVA democracy in name only', America --- where when you go to cast a vote, your vote disappears into the invisible electronic ether, never to be seen again. All paid for by $4 BILLION of your tax dollars which HAVA funnels straight from the federal treasury, through the hands of the state election officials and then directly into the coffers of the handful of for-profit computerized-voting-machinery corporations. Secret corporate software, overseen by NO, I repeat, NO independent authority, is then inserted into shoddy plastic hardware which is manufactured offshore and then foisted on our public officials for a king's ransom, to "count" our votes.
Brought to you by Rep. Bob Ney of Ohio, convicted today of breaking the law to which he pleaded guilty yet still in Congress, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Senator Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland. Send HAVA and these co-sponsors back where they came from, PLEASE.
Paper ballots, hand counted: Plan B for America this fall. Plan ahead by adopting Plan B now, election officials, and you will be thanking your lucky stars that you had the foresight to do so.
Meanwhile, THANK YOU Robert Kennedy, Jr. and Rolling Stone, and THANK YOU Bev Harris et al of blackboxvoting.org, and Brad Friedman of bradblog.com and all the other citizens who think for themselves, and know corporate propaganda when they hear it or see it broadcast by the corporate owners of America's airwaves and newspapers. And thank you especially to Responsible Public Election Officials Ion Sancho of Florida and Bruce Funk of Utah [I cannot BELIEVE that Utah kicked this honest veteran County Clerk out of office for singlehandedly uncovering a VITAL-to-our-democracy threat to our elections! Utah: FOR SHAME --- stop practicing Soviet-style tyranny inside the USA.] Sancho and Funk are the only reasons we have ANY independent test results for any of the computerized-voting-machinery and software, in the public realm. Other nationally-distributed equipment has YET to be thoroughly and independently scrutinized, because its corporate owners forbid it, and Congress yawns at such behavior by these favored and taxpayer-financed corporate funders of their political campaigns, no matter the damage to our democracy that results.
Congress has become far less than useless - it's up to us now - We, the People - to save our democracy.
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Lisa B
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COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
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suds
said on 5/31/2006 @ 3:54 pm PT...
Nader voters certainly provided a critical margin for the election of Bush. But I disagree with DJ on the fundamentals of who is responsible for Bush in the final analysis. I will forever blame those people who called them selves "moderates" and who still voted for Bush. There was nothing moderate about him or his policies and by the end of the first term everybody knew it. And I shall also blame the 2/3 of the Christian faith who let the loudest 1/3 represent them, frame them, bully them and embarrass them into silence and inactivity. It is moderates today who simply do not believe that electoral fraud was committed on a large scale. It is the moderates who refuse to investigate and speak openly about it. It is the moderates who are afraid and who have lost their spine. Radicals and activists will never on their own succeed against the Radical Right, but they can and do push back. Moderates have failed utterly to push back. And it is disgusting.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
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Charlie L
said on 5/31/2006 @ 4:03 pm PT...
SUDS, you are talking about POLITICS and "MODERATES versus PROGRESSIVES" as if the opinions of the candidates and the thoughts of the voters had anything to do with the results in 2000.
It was the same stupid discussion that was had after 2004 as if what Kerry STOOD FOR or what the people who went voting BELIEVED had anything to do with the final tally.
THEY STOLE 2000 in FLORIDA.
THEY STOLE 2004 in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, New Mexico, and Nevada.
THEY ARE THIEVES, not politicians with political opinions and appeals to voters. IF WE ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO STEAL, THEY CAN HAVE AS LITTLE AS 1% APPROVAL AND STILL WIN!
Don't you get it?
They CHEAT!
They would lose an honest election, so they CHEAT! We can't win by convincing people to vote for our candidate. THAT WON'T HELP.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE VOTING SYSTEM OR BE PREPARED TO "GO UKRAINIAN" WHEN OUR VOTE COUNTS DON'T MATCH THE SCIENTIFIC EXIT POLLING.
We have to take back our representative democratic republic --- BY FORCE IF NECESSARY!!!
Charlie L
Portland, OR
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
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max
said on 5/31/2006 @ 4:22 pm PT...
Hi Brad, You are doing a great heroic job, remember the truth hurts. I have an idea to mobilize the "troops" for the upcoming election. I think the American People who are intelligent enough to know the truth should adopt a uniform, we should wear feathers and headdresses and war paint and actively participate in all political functions, town meetings, and rallies. First, it would attract the curiousity of other participants, media and help us get the message out. The symbolism would be devastating to the status quo. Imagine little old ladies in war paint, fat white guys with war bonnetts, black suburban youth wearing headbands and feathers. It would look ridiculous just like the original Tea Party participants, who knew that the English would not buy into an real Indian attack. We would get free publicity worldwide and would grow like wildfire. The talk at the water cooler at work would not be about sports but about my "crazy mother in law" who thinks she can change the world by posing as a wild Indian. The discussions in the classrooms of our schools would be priceless. The teachers would love the tie in to American History and would be a springboard for other stimulating conversations. We could sneak attack closed Republican rallies dressed in white shirts and business suits only to apply our was paint once inside. Imagine a political rally where 65% of the people are dressed as "wild Indians", they would soon be averting the cameras to the stage only. We could adopt an "official war cry" or "war whoop", at first there would be a isolated whoop, then another, then a thunderous cacophany of whoops causing the Neo con candidate to turn a bright shade of red as he or she's bull shit rhetoric is drowned out. What about tom-tom drums .Just for fun, we could bombard Rush Limbaugh's show and C-Span's Washington Journal, the new Howard Stern show with phone calls, and before we can be cut off, let out a loud whoop or have a feint tom-tom drum beating in the backround only to get louder and louder. It would be fun, contagious and extemely healthy for our cancerous government. We would strike fear into the hearts and minds of the incumbency. Imagine our candidates who wear Indian Regalia at political rallies and on campaign posters. We could set up face painting booths just about anywhere. Imagine going to vote at your local polling place and having to "run the gauntlet" before voting. Imagine the converts getting their faces painted before their vote is placed and proudly wearing their costume to the office on election day. They don't need to vote for a particular party, they just need to insist that their vote be counted. Maybe if they don't fix the machines, we can dump them in the harbor.
Max
New American Tea Party
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Concerned Citizen
said on 5/31/2006 @ 4:33 pm PT...