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   Davey Crocket said on 1/9/2014 @ 8:17pm PT: [Permalink]

   Nobody is commenting so old Davey (aka Davy) will chime in.

   Cannot overstate the hilarity of the Clitanic adventure. But I cannot do it the justice that Mark Steyn does in this article:
   http://www.spectator.co.uk/feat...ip-of-fools-2/

   …and this Turney fellow…he laughs at everything he says…very annoying.

   I wonder of Chevy Chase has been tapped to do a movie of this adventure.

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   Desi Doyen said on 1/9/2014 @ 8:50pm PT: [Permalink]

   Davey — well, then you’ll probably find this article hilarious: Nature Bombshell: Observations Point To 10°F Warming by 2100

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   Davey Crocket said on 1/9/2014 @ 9:09pm PT: [Permalink]

   DD #2
   Nope, not funny. If I want to watch a scary movie, I will watch JAWS. Good try though 🙂

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   Dredd said on 1/10/2014 @ 5:16pm PT: [Permalink]

   Davey you should study up on how denial of the sort that impairs your science is the fear of death:

   A recent paper by the biologist Janis L Dickinson, published in the journal Ecology and Society, proposes that constant news and discussion about global warming makes it difficult for people to repress thoughts of death, and that they might respond to the terrifying prospect of climate breakdown in ways that strengthen their character armour but diminish our chances of survival. There is already experimental evidence suggesting that some people respond to reminders of death by increasing consumption. Dickinson proposes that growing evidence of climate change might boost this tendency, as well as raising antagonism towards scientists and environmentalists. Our message, after all, presents a lethal threat to the central immortality project of Western society: perpetual economic growth, supported by an ideology of entitlement and exceptionalism.

   (Convergence – Fear of Death Syndrome). We all have it so the best we can do is to alleviate the things that will bring it faster and to more people.

   Burying the head in the sand in the middle of the railroad tracks is not as mature as tackling the problem so the fear can subside to some useful extent.

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   Brad Friedman said on 1/10/2014 @ 8:20pm PT: [Permalink]

   That is hilarious, Davey!

   BTW, while I got ya here, maybe you can explain something to me. Do you guys actually like being lied to? Or are you just too stupid to know the difference?

   It’s actually a serious question. Steyn’s piece, of course, is largely just one complete lie and misrepresentation after another. But the thing is, they are easily demonstrable lies. Anyone who bothers to look into any of them will see them as lies almost immediately. Yet, I’ve seen the very same ones repeated over and over again all week (and longer of course).

   Example, Steyn tells you: “In December 2008 Al Gore predicted the ‘entire North Polar ice cap will be gone in five years’.” And yet, every time I’ve seen that claim, with an occasional link to the video where he supposedly says it, he obviously says nothing of the kind. Yet you guys repeat the same lie over and over to each other, as if it’s real.

   So, again, do you guys just enjoy living in a world where demonstrable facts and evidence don’t actually matter? Or is there something else going on that I’m too smart to understand?

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   David Trounce said on 1/11/2014 @ 4:42am PT: [Permalink]

   Hey, Brad,

   Never read your stuff and I don’t know you, but I had to comment after I read your “note to spammers”. I ended up on your site, believe it or not, by typing in Angela’s name! How about that!

   On that score, it seems she is now working hard to send traffic to you! I Love the irony. So, putting your spam note in here has served you very well!

   Well Done. I love it!

   David Trounce
   Mallee Blue Media

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   Davey Crocket said on 1/12/2014 @ 3:22pm PT: [Permalink]

   Brad #5
   Gore said that there was a 75% chance that the north polar ice caps would be completely ice free sometime in the Summer in 5-7 years. Gore was not telling a lie however. So far, he is just plain wrong and it is not looking good for his prediction panning out in the next two years.

   Then there is the Maslowski prediction which, since he is a scientist (unlike Mr. Gore), should carry even more weight. He appears to be wrong as well.

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   Davey Crocket said on 1/12/2014 @ 3:27pm PT: [Permalink]

   Dredd #4

   My oh my you continue to tickle my innards with your posts!

   #1 I dont fear death
   #2 AGW is bullshit

   But thank you for your concern!

   I am surprised that you could not weave in your method for calculating volume–like a 5th grader.

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   Desi Doyen said on 1/12/2014 @ 10:57pm PT: [Permalink]

   A joint US Navy/Dept. of Energy study projects the Arctic could be ice-free in summer as early as 2016, “84 years ahead of conventional model projections”. (Note use of the word “could”)

   Davey, you don’t mention that Maslowski projected 2016 +/- 3 years, so he’s not actually yet ‘wrong’ yet. You also don’t mention that Maslowski emphasized the uncertainty within his own study: “Regardless of high uncertainty associated with such an estimate, it does provide a lower bound of the time range for projections of seasonal sea ice cover.”

   In the end, it won’t matter who “wins” in accurately predicting which year the final nail is hammered into the coffin of Arctic summer sea. Or who “wins” on which year Antarctica ice sheets begin “irreversible” decline.

   Within our lifetimes, at least one major planetary feature will shift into a new regime, and that will impact the entire system.

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    Brad Friedman said on 1/12/2014 @ 12:53am PT: [Permalink]

    Davey Crocket @ 7:

    Gore said that there was a 75% chance that the north polar ice caps would be completely ice free sometime in the Summer in 5-7 years. Gore was not telling a lie however. So far, he is just plain wrong

    You wouldn’t mind offering a cite to back up your assertion, would ya? As far as I recall, he was citing a report by someone else, as opposed to “predicting” anything. But perhaps you saw something that I didn’t. Please send the URL. Thanks!

    Beyond that: a) See Desi’s reply to you. b) You really don’t understand science, do you? c) Hopefully you’ve got no kids or grand kids, because you’ll likely be dead as they “enjoy” the “bullshit” you either don’t understand or don’t want to understand, so fuck ’em, eh, “Davey”?

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    Dredd said on 1/13/2014 @ 7:27am PT: [Permalink]

    Davey @8,

    You said:

    Dredd … I am surprised that you could not weave in your method for calculating volume — like a 5th grader.

    Actually v=l*w*h (volume = length x width x height) is not my method.

    That formula was known by mathematicians before you killed your first “bar” when you were only three:

    Born on a mountain top in Tennessee
    greenest state in the land of the free
    Raised in the woods so’s he knew ev’ry tree
    kilt him a b’ar when he was only three
    Davy, Davy Crockett
    king of the wild frontier!

    (Ballad of Davy Crockett).

    Get indoors once in awhile, and bring Sarah Palin in with you!

    BTW v=l*w*h will still be the formula when your kids are in fifth grade … assuming you allow them to be educated, rather than being like their pa.

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    Davey Crocket said on 1/13/2014 @ 10:15am PT: [Permalink]

    Brad #XXX
    Here is the clip where Gore quotes maslowski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsioIw4bvzI

    You will argue that this is not Gore’s assertion–I know how you think.

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    Dredd said on 1/13/2014 @ 3:32pm PT: [Permalink]

    Glory to elephant balls folkies:

    The Pacific Ocean appears to be dying, according to a new study recently published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Scientists from the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute (MBARI) in California recently discovered that the number of dead sea creatures blanketing the floor of the Pacific is higher than it has ever been in the 24 years that monitoring has taken place …

    (The Government of the Government – 4, quoting Natural News).

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    Brad Friedman said on 1/13/2014 @ 3:36pm PT: [Permalink]

    Thanks, Davey. Your reply @ 12 helps answer several questions I asked you in previous comments (that you failed, as usual, to answer) all at once, particularly my question to you @ 5:

    So, again, do you guys just enjoy living in a world where demonstrable facts and evidence don’t actually matter?

    As your response @ 12 above highlights, yes, you like living in a world where facts and evidence don’t actually matter. And while I wasn’t sure why someone would enjoy living in such a world, your response highlights the likely explanation: You are a dishonest person, so avoiding demonstrable facts and evidence seems to be a feature for folks like you, not a bug.

    As you know, since you linked to the very video I expected you would, Gore does not make the “prediction” that you lied about him making. He simply cited, accurately, that “Some of the models suggest to Dr. Maslowsky that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years.”

    That, of course, is nothing like the dishonest claim you cited approvingly from Mark Steyn’s dishonest column that “In December 2008 Al Gore predicted the ‘entire North Polar ice cap will be gone in five years’.”

    Rather than disavow Steyn’s lie, you doubled down, proving that you knew it was a lie at the very same time when you wrote @ 5:

    Gore said that there was a 75% chance that the north polar ice caps would be completely ice free sometime in the Summer in 5-7 years. Gore was not telling a lie however. So far, he is just plain wrong and it is not looking good for his prediction panning out in the next two years.

    Then there is the Maslowski prediction which, since he is a scientist (unlike Mr. Gore), should carry even more weight. He appears to be wrong as well.

    You knew that was a lie when you wrote it, else you would not have separated Maslowski’s claim from Gore’s, since they were one in the same, as you know, since you cited Gore’s video in which he does not make the claim you say he does. He simply cites Maslowski’s study and does not make a “prediction” as you grotesquely lied. There is no “Gore prediction” and “then…Maslowski’s prediction”. They are the same. Gore is citing Maslowsk’s study.

    That makes you a liar for claiming, dishonestly, that someone else is a liar.

    What you just offered us is knowing disinformation. That is a strict violation of one of the very few rules we have for commenting here at The BRAD BLOG. Consider this your final warning. While I’ve enjoyed your reminders over the years of why it’s important for truth tellers to counter disinformed dopes like yourself, crossing the line into purposeful knowing deception, as you just gleefully have, is grounds for permanent banning.

    Do it again, and you will not be writing here again. I’m sure we’ll all be sorry to not hear from you again. I’m sorry you couldn’t make your case without making shit up. But we’ve come to expect that type of bullshit from you.

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    Dredd said on 1/13/2014 @ 4:19pm PT: [Permalink]

    Wind energy is working in Europe and causing prices to drop for energy.

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    Davey Crocket said on 1/13/2014 @ 4:40pm PT: [Permalink]

    Bradley,

    Actually, reference that I recalled is here:
    http://youtu.be/GPLD8aylRiw

    He does not mention Maslowski.

    Nevertheless, this is a red herring as Gore does not do any science himself…everything he says on such matters is quoting/referencing scientists! You are disingenuous to try to separate what he says from his sources. Really??

    The models have been wrong about the polar ice so far. To be fair, perhaps I should give Gore/Maslowski another couple of years.

    If your only defense is to call me a liar, so be it.

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    Mark said on 1/13/2014 @ 5:47pm PT: [Permalink]

    Brad,

    A couple of things on my radar:

    1. By using an antiquated industrial process, 8human activity adds extra nitrogen to the environment by the manufacturing of chemical fertilizers. It is literally raining nitrogen down on the earth and causing major problems. Heavily forested Missouri is known for its treeless open areas called glades which could be one to 100 acres in size. Glades here are home to collard lizards and wildflowers that are threatened when the thin, rocky Ozark soils are fertilized by an increase in usable nitrogen in the atmosphere and soil. Not really explained in pro-organic discussions.

    2. Missouri’s LaMotte and St. Peter Sandstone formations are being harvested for fracking sand material. The mines usually tap rural, municipal groundwater wells and use around 200k gallons/day. Farmington area has some formations close to the surface and easy to acquire.

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    Brad Friedman said on 1/13/2014 @ 8:42pm PT: [Permalink]

    Davey lied again @ 16 with:

    Actually, reference that I recalled is here:
    http://youtu.be/GPLD8aylRiw

    He does not mention Maslowski.

    Nice try. He doesn’t say what you claimed he said there either. He is, again, citing experts/scientists as is quite clear to anyone who bothers to watch either video that you linked to. Since you insist on knowingly attempt to disinform readers (lying), here’s what Gore actually said in that 2007 video:

    “One study estimated that it [Artic ice] could be completely gone during Summer in less than 22 years. Another new study to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.”

    So, you are still a liar. Gore never said what you claimed above that he did, in either of the two videos you’ve offered to prove he said it. You are a dishonest person. You have, again, violated the very few rules we have for commenting here at The BRAD BLOG because, apparently, you take no personal responsibility for failure and seem to feel the rules don’t apply to you.

    Nevertheless, this is a red herring as Gore does not do any science himself…everything he says on such matters is quoting/referencing scientists! You are disingenuous to try to separate what he says from his sources. Really??

    Wow. That was some impressively deceptive sleight of hand there, “Davey”. You call me disingenuous for doing what you did? Really?? I pointed out that he made no such predictions, that he was quoting/referencing scientists and that you were disingenuous to lie otherwise. But I’m the dishonest one here, “Davey”? The record above tells the tale quite clearly. You are an incredibly dishonest person.

    The models have been wrong about the polar ice so far.

    Great. Last chance, since I am nothing if not fair, but have, frankly, had enough of your bullshit. What “models have been wrong about the polar ice”? Please cite the URLs to the “models” you refer to. Last chance. Be smart. Or be gone.

    If your only defense is to call me a liar, so be it.

    It not a “defense”. It happens to be the truth, as documented for all to see above. Also, it’s not the only response I have. You’ll find out what the next response is after your next reply, depending on if you are smart or not. I doubt that you will be. Why start now?