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"FEENEY ATTORNEY THREATENS HOMETOWN PAPER WITH LEGAL ACTION!"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 12/24/2004 @ 6:57 pm PT...
Back in 1976 I was a campaign staffer for a female Democrat running for office against Republican incumbent Congressman Richard Kelly. Like most powerful political campaigns it was high profile and nasty. We won a hard fought democratic primary, but were blind-sided by a complaint filed with the so-called Florida "Ethics" Commission about an election form not properly filed.
It was all down hill from there as the partisan commission was used to harass our campaign and give the servient media headlines that our candidate was being "investigated" by the "Ethics" Commission. The Ethics Commission had plenty of conflict of interest, but their damage was done and "their" candidate won.
So we continued investigating our dear Republican Congressman, a former judge who had a publicly massaged reputation for being honest. At least until we started digging deep deep in the Deep South. Finally, with our information placed in the right hands, our dear Republican Congressman would be filmed by the FBI and shown on network TV stuffing $50,000.00 in bribe money into his pockets. He was arrested, prosecuted, and sent to prison.
Just thought I'd give some historical perspective on the so-called "Ethics" Commission of Florida. Like much of the nasty politics in Florida, its purpose and its intent are subject to question. It has been used by convenience to question the "Ethics" of its enemies while reaffirming the "Ethics" of its friends. Ethics is a powerful word and it can be exploited like any other word or any commission labeled with it.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 12/24/2004 @ 7:14 pm PT...
The whole story is believable. Feeney is too arrogant. He made a lot of sweet-heart deals and he expects to be protected now. If he wanted to eliminate any doubt in the pubic eye that he isn't involved in vote fraud, he could have started by advocating paper trails and manual counts. Get off the computerized elections. High tech isn't necessary to count votes. We need transparency and not copyrighted software and black boxes. Count votes manually with a Chinese abacus. Use red beads for Repugs and blue beads for Dems. We can see the math operators and the stack registers, and no one is gonna cheat if it's on realtime video. Can't do that with computers.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 12/24/2004 @ 7:39 pm PT...
PS: I find it amusing that Mr. Feeney is from or represents Seminole County, which was in our congressional district at the time. I know it well. It was a player in the ethics commission investigation scandal back in 1976. I would also recommend looking into the role of Organized Crime in Florida. Central Florida was also a key player in drug shipments and money laundering developments throughout the region funded by some of the top mob families, who, as we discovered, had ties to our Congressman, a former Assistant US Attorney General in Florida. One family in particular was heavily involved in international stolen art circles, which were implicated in the Abscam FBI sting operation that snared Congressman Kelly.
I am also very interested in the alleged suicide death of the investigator who Mr. Curtis had contact with. His death fits the modus operandi of what happens to people in Florida who get to close to the truth. One person I had contact with during my investigation of Congressman Kelly was forced to leave Florida and go into hiding over death threats.
And in my former life, I was a prosecutor and later criminal defense attorney. Hearing of my work, the Florida State's Attorney called and asked me to return to Florida to help with their organized crime investigations. I politely laughed and asked why? As it turns out he was losing investigator after investiagtor to death threats and of course I already knew who was living and dying in the Sunshine state. Still having family there, I declined the offer.
When I saw what happened in 2000 and again in 2004, nothing surprises me about the State of OJ! All I can advise is keep an open mind and all the players will not be what they seem. There is an undercurrent of bloody drug wars and organized crime that is pervasive throughout the State that taints every elected and appointed official. It can literally be the State that drugs built, with bloody organized criminals hidden behind well covered shell companies and the coat and tie types that cover their tracks. They don't like their politicians messed with and Florida politicians know who to call when it's crunch time. Unless of course they become so publicly tainted by scandal that it's time to cut them loose. Fish and cut bait anyone, or how about some cement shoes?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 12/24/2004 @ 8:30 pm PT...
Whhhooo let thaaa dogs out?? Whoof! Whoof! Whoof!
"It's a wicked world, and when a clever man turns his brain to crime it is the worst of all." -Sherlock Holmes in The Adventure of The Speckled Band
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 12/24/2004 @ 8:52 pm PT...
Who is clinton curtis and why is he selling books?
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 12/24/2004 @ 9:13 pm PT...
I think other whistle blowers should come forward. It is better if they step forward ASAP inspite being intimidated. America is waiting for the truth out!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 12/25/2004 @ 5:01 am PT...
who is "attorney jim", and why does he read BRAD every day like a book?
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 12/25/2004 @ 7:13 am PT...
Mr. Curtis is standing up for what he belives in; something I doubt very much that you would do if you were in his position. Shame on you for impliedly stating that he has some motivation other then to find the truth and serve democrocy.
Thanks for the good reporting Brad.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 12/25/2004 @ 7:34 am PT...
Representative Feeney can be reached electronically by doing the following:
First, enter http://www.house.gov/writerep/
Second, for a zip+4, use 32817-2117.
Third, a page finally comes up which alllows one to write him.
With best wishes,
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 12/25/2004 @ 9:08 am PT...
Does your flashing red and blue light have a siren?
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 12/25/2004 @ 9:20 am PT...
Nice reply Nana & Simon.
Merry Christmas to all of you!
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 12/25/2004 @ 10:21 am PT...
Excellent digging, Brad. Keep at it. A little sunlight shed upon festering things is always necessary before real healing and the the replacement of diseased tissue by healthy can begin.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 12/25/2004 @ 10:23 am PT...
May God bless all those who are willing to "talk" in spite of threats and harassment. We need more of you with such courage. I hope it is not too late!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 12/25/2004 @ 11:34 am PT...
On http://www.tomfeeney.com the website slogan is:
'...It takes courage...It takes Tom Feeney.......'
I could not agree more that 'it take courage....it takes Tom Freeney' to RIG THE VOTES.
A christmass day thought for you guys:
Voter: "Dude where did my vote go?"
Election Official: "ouch....KERNEL32.DLL ate your votes."
Voter: "Geee, What do I do now?"
Election Official: "Welcome to a new reality! You voted but your vote doesn't count."
Keep the Brad Blog Flag flying high!
Merry Christmass All !
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 12/25/2004 @ 4:56 pm PT...
Keep up the great work, from another Brad. Have a great holiday.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 12/26/2004 @ 11:47 am PT...
"Every candidate that Clinton endorsed, raised money for, or conducted a campaign appearance on behalf of, lost. Toss up Senate races in which Clinton appeared all went against the Democrats . . . . In swing states where Clinton put in appearances, such as Arizona and his home state of Arkansas, Kerry also lost."
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 12/26/2004 @ 6:16 pm PT...
Yo attorney jim,
I think this thread is about Clinton Curtis not Bill Clinton. You seem to be a bit "confused". Thought I'd set ya straight.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 12/26/2004 @ 6:28 pm PT...
Says Corn Cobb (younger brother of the candidate) if my brother didn't win, it was a fraud.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 12/26/2004 @ 6:32 pm PT...
How much of a living are you sucking off this website and these fans of yours?
I heard you were quite the party man and like to impress people with expensive presents.
Hope you are reporting all that loot as income.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 12/26/2004 @ 7:04 pm PT...
Dude, I don't know if you're just looking for attention or trying to be disruptive to this website but the comments you make are just plain old silly.
You obviously are NOT here to make any serious contribution to the issues at hand.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 12/26/2004 @ 7:58 pm PT...
Ha! Attorney Jim and my ol' state down along the Suwannee River never cease to amaze.
Looks like Pinellas County Election Supervisor bumped up YES totals for a gambling initiative on Florida's ballot at the same time people are scratching their heads and trying to figure out where George DUMBYA got all those Florida votes?
Hey, and not just in Pinellas County either. And HEY! That Supervisor's husband has worked for and is tied to ES & S voting machines. And HEY! A lot of the recent voting machine scandals with all these Republican tied companies are connected to other gambling states like Nevada and Louisiana.
Seems like the gambling initiative in Florida needed X amount of votes to avoid an automatic statewide recount. A recount which could have exposed vote bumping for his hindass, George DUMBYA! Those bumps were provided in totals supplied by Pinellas, Broward, and other key counties, but somehow they don't jive with final counts and the snafu has been purposefully delayed to avoid the recount. Hmmm? How many of George DUMBYA's votes have been bumped up by these conniving voting machines that gives George a triple 7 every time?
Remember of my admonishment earlier in this set of responses. Beware of the organized crime ties behind the scenes in Florida! If they wanted GAMBLING & GEORGE, guess what? They've wanted gambling back in Florida for years. It's an Al Capone dream come true. (I use to live in the town that was his old Florida get away). They've been itchin for Florida gambling ever since Fidel Castro booted their butts out of crooked Havana!
So how did these mystery vote totals get bumped up? Who really did the bumping? Why? Who paid for the bribes or perks to grease the silicon chips and the chips and dip? Hey everybody, let's keep after Florida! This is where the great crack may come undone. Remember, a bird in the hand is worth two in the BUSH! Or is that kill two birds with someone who is stoned? LOL
Anyway, attorney Jim, if Brad wants to party who cares? I'm sure we'd all like to party! I guess your comment about reporting his income could be considered a vailed threat to suppress press freedom, but after the revolution, do you think we're going to worry about your right-wing police state? Afterall, did George Bush report his Harken sale? And what's this party in Iraq he's throwin, at a billion a week? And could you please have George DUMBYA and Paul Bremmer show us the receipts of the 8 billion dollars in Iraqi oil sales that have gone missing? And you right-wingers are after Kofi Annan for oil scandals...shame...shame!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 12/26/2004 @ 10:25 pm PT...
Awesome work. I've been perusing your site every day since weeks before the election. I can't say enough about the courage and importance of what you've done so far.
I'm wondering about Feeney's "Commision On Ethics". Exactly how many(and who) where appointed by Feeney and what precisely are the "direct ties" ?
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2004 @ 1:05 am PT...
I agree with everything Freebird has said, especially this: "And you right-wingers are after Kofi Annan for oil scandals...shame...shame!"
Annan is getting raked over the coals based on entirely unproven allegations. Supposedly in America you are considered innocent until proven guilty. But in some quarters Annan is considered guilty based on discredited allegations, and charges that cannot possibly be proven. Here's a good background article.
This is the newest example of a very old tactic. They've been doing it for decades. And they just keep getting better at it. By now it's so well-refined that it's almost an art form. A black art to be sure. "Shame" is right.
Here's how it works: They do something awful, make a big mess and blame it on somebody else --- usually the political opponent they fear the most. Then they use the inevitable backlash as a pretext to attack, without ever doing a proper investigation into what caused the mess in the first place. Of course they can't do a proper investigation --- they can't possibly allow a proper investigation --- because if the truth ever came out in a timely way, there would be royal hell to pay.
I'm reminded of this because I've recently been re-reading some of the best books written about the JFK assassination, and the parallels are all there, in spades, just sitting there waiting to be noticed. For those who are too young to remember the story, JFK was surely the most liberal President ever elected; he wanted to stop the Cold War and work toward 'peaceful coexistence' with the Soviet Union. In November of 1963, he was murdered in Dallas, one of the most conservative [i.e. oil-soaked] cities in the country. And the 'official' story --- issued on the day of the assassination and never retracted --- was that he was killed by a dememted communist named Lee Harvey Oswald.
The communists had no grudge with Kennedy. He was --- by their measure --- the most reasonable President ever to sit in the Oval Office. But there were some very powerful internal forces who hated him with a passion, such as CIA and organized crime, who were both ticked because JFK refused to assist CIA in their plan to overthrow Castro and give Havana back to the gamblers.
Virtually every detail of the official story has since been shown to be too absurd for any honest thinking person to believe. But this hasn't stopped the establishment echo-chamber from repeating it endlessly.
And like the official stories of so many other national tragedies, this story is absurd even on the face of it. You don't have to do any digging at all to see it as the farce that it is; all you have to do is think about it a bit. As if a communist would ever want to kill a President who was loved by the left and reviled by the right. As if a communist would prefer to see an oil-soaked Texan [LBJ] in the Oval Office, rather than a 'Massachusetts liberal' like JFK. As if you could even find a communist in Dallas in 1963. Yeah, right. Spin me another yarn, boys.
The deeper you dig the more absurd it gets. Kennedy wanted to disengage from Vietnam. Immediately after the assassination we were told that no national policies would be changed. But within three days LBJ had signed an executive order rescinding Kennedy's planned withdrawal. And the US was plunged into a foreign war of aggression, based entirely on transparent lies, without any realistic or reasonable reason or plan or exit strategy. Does any of this sound familiar? That war lasted for another 12 years!
Most of the so-called evidence against Oswald was very obviously fabricated. But the oil-soaked corporate media whores of the day bought it all up, and fed it into the establishment echo chamber, and the echoes still reverberate to this day.
I'll spare you the grimy details. As tastydc correctly mentioned, this thread is supposed to be about Clint Curtis. On one hand I want to apologize for the diversion, but on the other hand, No I don't, because these things are all connected. And very deeply so.
The official story of 9/11 has numerous and important parallels to the official story of the JFK assassination. Again the official story is absurd on the face of it, and even more ludicrous the deeper you dig into it. Again we're looking at a national tragedy that somehow happened to benefit an oil-soaked Texan. Again we're looking at a case where the official story came out on the day of the event, long before any reasonable investigation could possibly have been conducted. Again it's a case where no reasonable investigation was ever conducted --- just another oil-soaked whitewash or two.
In this case we are supposed to believe that 19 Islamic fundamentalists armed with cell phones and box cutters somehow managed to outfox the most sophisticated intelligence establishment ever built. Yeah, right. As if jet fuel burning near the 80th story of a 100-story tower could generate enough heat to produce pools of molten steel in the sub-basement. Yeah, right. As if these fires could reduce thousands of tons of concrete to toxic gray dust, while leaving the passport of the supposed ringleader not only virtually undamaged but just lying there in plain sight. As if a commercial airliner could slam into the Pentagon leaving a hole about 30 feet in diameter, while leaving no trace of its wings or tail or engines outside the building. Yeah, right. Spin me another yarn, boys.
Dig even deeper and the story gets even more ludicrous. But again the oil-soaked corporate media whores bought it hook line and sinker, and fed it to the world through the echo chamber. We were told that no national policies would be changed, because changing our way of life would be admitting that the 'terrorists' had won. But within seven weeks the so-called PATRIOT act was passed, and the shredding of the Bill of Rights had begun. Within a month the US was involved in another foreign war of aggression, against a country which had really never done anything to us, but this time they told us right from the start that the war may not end in our lifetimes. As if we need endless war with the rest of the world. Who does this help? Not us. Not the rest of the world. The only people it helps are a certain oil-soaked Texan and his obscenely wealthy backers. Excuse me for a moment while I puke. Spin me another yarn while I'm gone, will you, boys?
Back to the present national tragedy: an election so obviously fixed that a full 20% of Americans can see that it's rotten to the core, without any publicity from the current generation of oil-soaked media whores. As if the majority of Americans would vote for an oil-soaked Texan whose policies clearly work to their detriment. As if nobody notices, or cares, that we're in another foreign war without any plan or any exit strategy, nor any good reason for being there. As if we approve of a regime that seeks to 'legitimize' torture, and commit cold-blooded murder on an enormous scale, and turn our once-great nation into a pariah in the eyes of the world. As if the majority of Americans would ever want that. Give me a break. Spin me another yarn, boys.
How stupid do they think we are? How stupid are you? How stupid are your neighbors? How many of us do you think really bought into all that Bush-Cheney bullshit? Do we really think we're safer now, that we're waging war on a country that never did anything to us? Do you really think we're less likely to suffer a terrorist attack now, considering that we have the same so-called leadership in place that allowed the 9/11 attacks to succeed? How many Americans do you REALLY think are that stupid?
[not counting attorney jim.]
And again it comes down to the organized criminals and the gamblers and an oil-soaked Texan and his obscenely wealthy friends. Again the country is in the hands of people who have shown quite clearly that they don't give a damn about the voice of the people, nor about policies that would help the people. All they care about is amassing as much power as possible, by any means possible, so they can use it to impoverish America while demolishing foreign countries and enriching their obscenely wealthy oil-soaked backers.
Follow the money; follow the oil; follow the electronic voting machines; follow the corrupt politicians --- they all lead to the same place. It's a place the oil-soaked corporate media whores will never even admit exists, but it's there, and we know about it, and this is one genie that can never be put back in the bottle. Too much is at stake.
No more dreaming. No more waiting for the miracle that never comes. No more hoping that Keith Olbermann will finally dedcide to stop smearing the people who are trying to tell the truth about these national tragedies. The oil-soaked corporate media whores are enemies of our democracy, as they have always been, and if we are going to do anything for the future of our country then we will have to do it without them.
Since 9/11 too many people have been too frightened to talk about anything that matters. That has to stop and it has to stop right now. We need to keep talking about all this stuff, not only here on The BradBlog but everywhere. Bring your friends up to speed; get your family there too. Spread the word in every way you can and don't stop. We the people have enormous untapped power, and most of it is economic. We hardly even have any idea how to use it. So we need to learn how velvet revolutions work in other countries. Look at what happened to Slobodan Milosevic. Look at what happened to Ferdinand Marcos. Look at what's happening in the Ukraine. Could we do something similar? Of course we could.
It's not up to Brad. It's up to all of us.
[not counting attorney jim.]
Here's a good place to start: Gotov Je --- He's Finished!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2004 @ 5:36 am PT...
Four more YEARS.
Four more YEARS.
Four more YEARS.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2004 @ 6:36 am PT...
Right on Winter Patriot! Between Feeney and other Florida personalities involved, we may be able to connect the dots. Of course, once you do that, who cares? Will the corporate press really do anything? Will the Republican/Bush controlled State of Florida? The Republican Congress? The FBI and Justice Department under George DUMBYA? Maybe the Internet is our last grasp on democracy, which is probably why George Tenet of CIA fame recently argued that it's time to "control" the internet and why mainstream media is now moving in to buy up web sites and other web network operations. Look out Brad!
We the people...may be the only ones left to stop the insanity of a world being poisoned by oil and gas companies, or a military defense complex building space weapons, depleted uranium weapons, weather weapons, and, yes, earthquake producing weapons. If 8+ richter scale earthquakes are so rare, why have we had three in the world in the last three months? Go search HARRP and other defense research projects! Talk about Frankenstein!
And speaking of gambling and organized crime, could someone please update me on the 9/11 story that puts the long time head of Saudi Intelligence in Las Vegas that August at a time when Mohammed Atta and five other of the 9/11 highjackers were also visiting Las Vegas, not once, but three times?
It appears the Saudi national was also a principal in the Trans Afghan Gas pipeline consortium seeking a deal with the Taliban, who broke off talks with the US over a pricing disagreement in June of 2001. Seems a lot of Saudi's departed the United States immediately after 9/11 by "Leaving Las Vegas". How convenient of those 9/11 hijackers, causing an Afghan War that routed the Taliban and allowing the US to install none other than Harmid Karzai, an American oil company consultant, as President. Who, with the convenient removal of Pakistan's democratically elected President in the 90's, and the takeover by General Musharraf of Pakistan, removed the two stubborn governments favoring Brisas Gas Company of Argentina and blocking the US/Saudi consortium from controlling the Afghan pipeline. So who really attacked America? And why? Hmmm?
Let's see here. Saudi's in Las Vegas. 9/11 hijackers in Las Vegas. Saudi royals transfer money to hijackers through Riggs Bank connected with Bush family. Pakistani Intelligence Director, who also was allegedly involved in money transfers to 9/11 hijackers, in US meeting with House and Senate Intelligence Committee Chairmen morning of 9/11. US/Saudi's/Pakistani's jointly connected to Afghan Gas Pipeline project. George DUMBYA meets with Saudi ambassador within hours of 9/11 attacks. Saudi's allowed to leave the country shortly therefater. George DUMBYA then redacts (blanks out) all information about Saudi involvement in 9/11 from Congressional report on 9/11. George DUMBYA and family tied into business and personal relationships with bin Laden family and Saudi royal family. Yet there is no criminal investigation! No prosecutions! No Grand Jury appearances! Talk about getting away with mass murder. Ok...enough babble
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2004 @ 10:19 am PT...
Hooray for Winter Patriot and Freebird. Attorney Jim could greatly benefit from investigating and trying to understand the topics that you discuss instead of posting empty rhetoric to a blog that deals in important and factual information that is vital to the health of our nation. But generally speaking, people like Attorney Jim do not want to know and grow...it prevents them spewing their bile.
Thanks so much, Brad and the rest of the intelligent bloggers, for all of your work.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2004 @ 11:18 am PT...
Several e-mails noted that the programmer, Clint Curtis, testified before the Conyers Voting Forum in Columbus, Ohio, earlier this month. Well, yes and no. He did tell his story there, but it’s instructive to note that he was not asked to do so until after Representative Conyers left the forum, and had turned the chairing of the meeting over to a local politician. This wasn’t a case of Conyers rushing to catch a bus, nor a problem with too many witnesses, nor a coincidence.
For weeks, say sources at various levels of the formal investigations into the voting irregularities, Mr. Curtis has promised them corroboration of his accusations — even if it was just the statement of someone to whom he said, in 2000, ‘hey, this guy just asked me to write a vote-switching program.’ These sources say they’ve received no such corroboration, and certainly none has been presented publicly.
One e-mailer complained that the denial by the politician accused by Mr. Curtis of soliciting the program seemed pretty tepid, and confined itself largely to his comment “I don’t remember meeting Mr. Curtis.” Well, the ambiguity of the denial is partially my fault. Much of the remarks were boilerplate and repetitive, but I did leave out a fairly salient one, in which he said these were: “some of the most ridiculous, fictional charges you could ever imagine.” I wouldn’t classify that as a ‘non-denial denial.’
Two readers asked why we didn’t simply put Mr. Curtis on 'Countdown' or otherwise interview him. Unfortunately, there is a question of the size of the platform here. If the details of his charges can be found on an innocuous website with limited readership, it doesn’t matter much in the grand scheme of things if the possibility that they are partially or totally untrue, turns out to be the correct one. But if that’s the case — if this is actually the story of a guy out to hurt a politician — and we put him on national television, I will have effectively recreated the Swift Boat Veterans fiasco. Under those circumstances, especially in the absence of corroboration, the truth becomes secondary, and the damage is the only verifiable thing.
Lastly (and, for my money, most entertainingly): I noted that an attorney for Curtis’s former employers, for whom he was working when he claims to have been asked to develop the nefarious program, described him to MSNBC as a ‘disgruntled former employee.’ However, an e-mailer writes, at the time of his departure from the firm, the company gave him a going-away card. I had to smile at this evidence. When I left ESPN in 1997, the company gave me a tape of my oddest moments on the air, a huge farewell banner, and a going-away party that lasted until sunrise and was so joyous that the authorities were summoned. Still, I have to be the first one to say it: if anybody has the right to call me a ‘disgruntled former employee,’ it’s ESPN.
hahahahahah! KEEP AT THOSE CONSPIRACY THEORIES! AHHAHAHAHAHAAH
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2004 @ 12:43 pm PT...
ATTENTION BRAD: I think the following story is definitely siren-wothy! Double-siren worthy, even.
Just when you think Bush+Co can't come off any more moronic, sink any lower, they out-do themselves once again.
According to *MAJOR* media outlets like Associated Press and Washington Times, the U.S. government is *ACTIVELY TRYING TO RIG THE ELECTION IN IRAQ*!!!
"Iraq Rejects U.S. Talk of Adjusting Vote Result"
By Luke Baker
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq's election body rejected a suggestion in Washington it adjust the results of next month's vote to benefit the Sunni minority if low turnout in Sunni areas means Shi'ites win an exaggerated majority in the new assembly.
Speaking of "unacceptable" interference, Electoral Commission spokesman Farid Ayar said: "Who wins, wins. That is the way it is. That is the way it will be in the election."
U.S. diplomats in Baghdad, at pains to keep their role in the election discreet, declined comment on a New York Times report from Washington which said Sunnis might be granted extra seats if the community's vote was judged to have been too low.
Whatever happened to "Democracy in Iraq"???
Wasn't "Democracy" the last excuse for the desperate Bush government to justify their invasion of a poor, defenseless (but oil-rich!) country?
But now that we know Bush's *real* plans for the Iraq election, that excuse goes straight down the crapper.
Bush+Co have become so good at rigging elections, this story makes it obvious they are eager to export their expertise.
Do you realize that in rejecting the U.S. attempt to rig the Iraqi election, the interim Iraqi gov't has proven itself to be of a higher moral fibre that Bush+Co???
If Bush+Co. wants to rig an election in a foreign country, where they are trying to teach the *first principles* of "Democracy", they would have no trouble rigging an election at home, in their own element.
America the Free, rest in Peace.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2004 @ 12:54 pm PT...
Good posting attorney Jim! Although it is "per MSNBC" and who are their undisclosed sources? Hmmm? White House staffers? FBI moles? attorney Jim? LOL Keep spinning Olbermann! We're not dizzy yet! Bumping vote totals in Pinellas County to help avoid a runnoff on the Florida gambling initiative is not a conspiracy theory. Nor are all the computer glitches and data that favor Bush instead of Kerry. A thorough public investiagtion that includes Clint Curtis allegations along with all the other information is required. We may never get it.
When Republicans and their voting machine companies decided to prevent paper verifiable machines, dual paper/electronic tabulations, and fail safe voting procedures free of voter intimidation and suppression, they knew exactly what they were doing. Controlling the machines, the voting procedures, and the tabulation process in private instead of public hands smacks of illegitimacy and fraud. Especially when the people in charge of supervising the elections, creating the machines, and tabulating the votes are all Bush and Republican partisans.
The fundamental question is no longer what the evidence is, regardless of Clint Curtis. The real question is that with so much evidence tainting the transparency and legitimacy of the election and the process, whether we should simply stand by and allow another theft of not only the Presidential election, but how many house seats, senate seats, or other elections like the Florida gambling initiative were also tainted?
And if there are going to be no serious public investigations, no serious mainstream media coverage, and no serious effort to correct the problem for the immediate future, then what is our redress? More fraudulent election defeats? More of the same old same old of war, environmental destruction, consumer gluttony, oil and gas dependency compelled by an oil and gas President and Vice-president?
I don't think so!
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2004 @ 2:11 pm PT...
ahhh, so it is no longer the conpiracy to steal the election, it is the conspiracy to hide the conspiracy that hid the conspiracy to steal the election! I get it.
This is just too hilarious to watch. So every time your "evidence" gets trounced by the truth, the conspiracy changes into "its no longer about that, now its about something bigger"!!!
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2004 @ 2:41 pm PT...
That's a good contribution from MikeyCan. Please read it carefully if you haven't done so already.
Even if you can forget [for the moment] the utter absurdity of holding an election in an occupied country, can you really call it a democratic election when the plan to change the results? Come on!
"We'll pro-rate the Sunni vote if it turns out that their turnout is a bit low." What utter bullshit. How about pro-rating the Kerry vote in places like Ohio if it turns out that a bit low? Would they ever do that? Not on your life! So what's the difference?
Next month's 'election' is not about democracy in Iraq, folks, any more than last month's 'election' was about democracy in the USA. They are/will be both about power and plunder.
Yeah, plunder. Pure naked greed. This is the only reason why Bush and his friends want to see elections in Iraq. And it's the reason why they are so vehemently opposed to any suggestion that the elections should be postponed. They are so anxious to steal the vast resources of this brutally oppressed country, they simply cannot wait a day beyond January 30th.
Naomi Klein explains the basic 'reasoning' behind the so-called 'democratization' of Iraq, in a penetrating essay called "Baghdad Year Zero". I urge you all to read it; here's a vital excerpt:
International law prohibits occupiers from selling state assets themselves, but it doesn’t say anything about the puppet governments they appoint.
Understand that selling the state assets of an occupied country in this case --- as always --- means giving them to your friends at much reduced prices. Remember all the talk about how Iraq was wealthy enough to pay for its own 'reconstruction'? Well this is it. This is what it's all about. They don't care about 'reconstructing' Iraq, but they sure do want the oil.
Don't take my word for it; read Naomi Klein. Then look at this article and see how much of it makes sense in terms of plunder.
Former US national security advisers saying the US will not sit back and allow a theocracy to be imposed on Iraq! How rich can you get? They are quite happy so sit back and see one imposed on the USA!! What's the difference? One is radical Christian and the other is radical Islamic? You're getting warm ... One is stupid and friendly and the other is stupid and hostile? You're getting warmer ...
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2004 @ 6:22 pm PT...
Good one Winter & MikeyCan,
Ol' George DUMBYA wants to get Iraqi's to give the Sunni's some seats because he knows two things about his grand democratic experiment. Sunni's get blocked out of power and the current Iraqi Civil War grows in size and intensity, with the US trying to play policeman (or instigator) in the middle. Or Shia domination prevails and the USA's CIA stooge Allawi is then replaced by the Iranian connected Shia Cleric associated with al-Sistani.
Oops! From secular Saddam to an Iranian-style theocracy. Hmm? All of a sudden an Islamic fundamentalist arc is created from Iran to Lebanon. Israel has the BOMB! Iran is devolping the BOMB! Syria wants the BOMB! Pakistan and India have the BOMB! Saudi Arabia is buying their BOMB from Pakistan! Egypt and Libya will still get their own BOMB!
All the ingredients of a Middle Eastern nuclear war under development. Throw in the right mix of War On Terror, invasion of Israel or vice versa, invasion of Iran, and poof, you have thermonuclear war games. The requisite 2/3 of the Jewish population is destroyed, the Muslim hordes are annihilated, and Jesus Christ returns to rule the Christian world kingdom through Israel. (shhh! I don't think Jesus wants the job!) Jesus then poses for the dramatic photo op with George DUMBYA, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Billy Graham, while riding in their limos and waving to the cheering throngs who have returned to Earth from their protected rapture, their off-shore bank accounts still in tact!
Sounds insane? You need to listen or read up on Christian Dominionism and their Left Behind books. Better yet, just tune into John Hagee, Franklin Graham, or Jerry Falwell and listen to their nuclear holocaust diatribes. They even have graphics. Or if you're really serious, you can break down and buy one of their $129.95 DVD's which have made them billions!
Since Ronald Reagan, the United States has been making uranium depleted bullets, bombs, and missiles. Why? They were first used in masse in the first Bush Gulf War 1, then in even greater amounts in Bush Gulf War 2 (Act 2, Scene 3). The usage was designed to be simple. No known biological or chemical warfare suit, not even American ones, can protect someone from the fine radioactive dust which all by itself does not kill immediately.
It is the long term kill that is important. The radioactive fallout contaminates the land, water, and food supplies. It causes malignancies, cancers, birth defects, and radioactive poisoning. In other words, the United States of America, under the pretense of disarming Saddam Hussein of WMD's, used Weapons of Mass Destruction in the form of depleted uranium weapons that slowly kills and sickens an entire society...a "Muslim" society.
What the White House doesn't want you to know, is that the Bush father & son team are, as a result, also responsible for causing the death and sickness of tens of thousands of American soldiers, their spouses, and their offspring. The great medical cover-up has been going on since BUSH WAR 1. But the facts are beginning to filter out, both from the United States and Iraq.
What our young right-wing Christian soldiers don't know is that they're being used just as much as the Iraqi's. Appearance of cancers among a majority of veterans and a dramatic increase in post war birth defects and other associated illnesses is more and more widespread. Medical personnel and doctors are under strict orders and threats of fine and felony jail time to stay hush hush! Iraqi doctors are under the same threats!
The fact is, the age of nuclear warfare is already here. And the Middle East is the perfect geopolitical and religiously strategic killing field. So does George DUMBYA and his Christian dominionists really want democracy in Iraq? Or do they want an increasingly intense state of regional conflict that mirrors their own Biblical prophesy? Hmm? No need to push any Middle East Road Map to Peace!
So as George DUMBYA proclaims he takes his orders and advice from GOD Almighty, we've yet to hear an audio tape or sworn affidavit of these holy instructions. What goes on his mind, what will his next orders be, when will he enter the codes in that protected military briefcase travelling with him everywhere? A constant state of Global conflict plays right into the hands of Christian Dominionist philosophy and prophesy, especially when that conflict revolves around the future of an Israeli and Christian kingdom battleground ala Tom DeLay!
In the grand scheme of things, Iraqi's are being used, Muslims are being used, the Jewish people are being used, and Americans and their soldiers are being used. To what end and for what purpose remains a mystery only known at the highest levels of our military and government, and George "God Chosen" DUMBYA's brain cells. Oil & Gas, Military defense contracts, the usual capitalist corruption? Or a much more grandiose vision of a Christian dominated world?
Is it any wonder that a right-wing Christian family bankrolled the creation of most of today's voting machines in America? Connect the dots folks and I'm not talkin Condi Rice dots either! Control of the White House, the legislature, and the courts, is no longer an act of the people, but is an act of God carried out by his chosen Presidents and those serving under him or supporting him. Laws that prevent this religious coup are ignored by those acting in the name of God. Therefore, electoral fraud, illegal wars, even killing our own citizens, will be justified by the Dominionist cause.
The process for Christian Dominion control is now spreading to control the states, counties, cities, townships, and school boards. The people who practice economic and social Darwinism want evolutionary Darwinism banned from all schools! Christian students even at the college level are suing colleges and universities to ban liberal teachings.
The list goes on and on and we had all better wake up fast before our circumstance is beyond repair! Controlling, or even manipulating elections, in Iraq, the United States, California, Ukraine, Venezuela, or elsewhere is just the beginning! See you at the revolution!
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2004 @ 8:56 pm PT...
Freebird: Your previous comment is another great contribution but I disagree with you on one point. I don't think Bush knows half as much about the internal situation in Iraq as you give him credit for. I don't think he knows very much about anything --- only that his job is to repeat everything Karl Rove tells him.
As for depleted uranium weapons --- well I guess Iraq has weapons of mass destruction now, enough to last a lifetime, or even several lifetimes. And they are all just sitting there, contaminating everyone and everything. Do you ever wonder why the Iraqi people aren't covering their American 'liberators' with flowers? Could it be that they know more than our so-called war leaders do? You're getting warmer ...
Regarding the Christian wingnut movement to ban liberal teachings in schools and universities, their level of knowledge is made laughably clear to me [and to everyone else who knows anything about science] when they start putting stickers on books saying that evolution is "just a theory". They might as well put stickers on their foreheads saying "I don't know the meaning of the word 'theory'".
For those who are still wondering what we mean by the word "Theory", keep reading. There's no shame in not knowing, provided that you don't force your ignorance on others, especially through trying to control institutions of higher education.
A hypothesis is a questionable assumption that is ready and able to be tested. Real scientists learn by developing hypotheses and designing experiments to test them. The TV cartoon scientist who runs around exclaiming "I have a theory" really means "I have a hypothesis". And the people who claim that "evolution is just a theory" seem to have learned their science by watching cartoons on TV. But meanwhile ...
A theory is a connected set of insights into how the world works, insights strong enough to have considerable 'predictive value'. For example, Newton's Theory of Gravitation predicts that if you lift an object and then release it, it will fall. Have you seen examples of this Theory at work? Of course you have. Have you ever seen any exceptions? No? Good! Now you are in a position to understand why it's called a Theory, and not a Hypothesis.
Darwin's Theory of Evolution is called a Theory because it has similar predictive power. So please don't be deceived by those who say "Evolution is just a theory." If they don't know the difference between a theory and a hypothesis then they have no business dictating what gets taught in nursery schools, let alone high schools, and certainly not colleges and universities.
For those not familiar with the terms "Christian Dominion" and/or "Theocracy", here are a few links to excellent articles on these subjects:
Jesus Plus Nothing
Meet 'The Family'
The Despoiling of America
America Stands on the Edge of a Grave Constitutional Crisis Linked To Pat Robertson
New Dominionist Bill Limits the Supreme Court's Jurisdiction
There's a lot to absorb in these articles but I urge you to make the effort. This is not a trivial matter. Important things, like Knowledge and Justice, are under attack here. At stake is the future of the USA, formerly the world's most inspirational democracy, now the world's most powerful and most feared rogue state. Therefore the future of the world is at stake as well. American patriots have friends all over the world who are itching for a chance to help us. But they have to see us helping ourselves --- or at least trying to help ourselves --- before they can come to our aid.
As in a nuclear reaction, a critical mass must be reached before anything significant can happen. But once it is reached, nothing can stop it. Some us are trying very hard to build that critical mass. But we can't do it by ourselves. Please get involved, first by learning as much as possible, and then by helping us in any way you can.
Thanks again to Brad for making this discussion possible. And quite the opposite to those who have made it necessary.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 12/28/2004 @ 9:58 am PT...
Hey Winter Patriot, I hear ya! Always enjoy reading your comments and Brad's postings. Don't worry about disagreeing with me, i'm only right 99.9% of the time...LOL. Seriously though...that's why I now call our selected President, "George DUMBYA", a cross between his fans W, "DUBYA", and "DUMBO".
Actually, I never underestimate the intelligence, greed, or insanity of anyone! Mix all three with a self-perceived notion of divine providence and WHAM! Everybody run for the fallout shelters! Oops! They don't have them anymore sir! Okay children...get under your desks then and close your eyes...as the air raid sirens blared screaming! Does anybody remember those Good Ol' Days?
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 12/28/2004 @ 12:17 pm PT...
Oh yeah! Those Good Ol' Days.
One of my earlies memories is being told in school "If you see a bright flash, be sure to cover your eyes." I was no more than 5 or 6 years old but I was already smart enough to know that once you've seen the flash it's too late to do anything about it.
Ah... the Good Ol' Days ... when the government propaganda was so transparent that even kindergarten kids could see through it. We all huddled under our desks during the air-raid drills, anyway. At least that kept the teacher happy!
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
chestert a thomas
said on 4/9/2005 @ 11:08 am PT...
Chester A. Thomas in 1981 joined the City of Wichita Fire Dept. as a Firefighter. On august 12, 1992 Chester and his crew made a call for a large heart attack patient. Chester was moving the patient out of the bed to perform CPR. Chester right arm gave away and drop the patient. Chester receive Injuries to His neck shoulder and hand. The City of Wichita, Kansas Worker Compensation Doctor said due to the injury that Chester received it would be no longer safe for Chester to be a firefighter any longer. On January 11. 1993 the City of Wichita said Chester had to resign or be fired. Chester was still under the City of Wichita Worker Compensation Doctor care when He had to make this choice. Chester resigns on January 11, 1993.
From January 11, 1993 the City of Wichita refuses to allow Chester any Medical treatments and refuse to pay His medical bills. The City of Wichita also refuses Chester any Worker Compensation Benefits also appealed Chester Unemployment Benefits. February 20 1998 the Worker Compensation Judge Ordered the City of Wichita to pay Chester medical bills and allows Him proper medical Treatments. The City of Wichita appealed the Worker Compensation Judge ruling. On February 25, 1999 the Worker Compensation Appeal Board all up held the Worker
compensation Judges Ruling and order the City of Wichita to pay Chester medical bills and allows him medical Treatment.
The City of Wichita threaten to appeal the appeal if Chester did not take a Settlement for less. The hold time the City of Wichita was defending Chester Claim using KSA 44-510e July 1, 1993. But Chester injury date was August 12, 1992.The Worker Compensation Judge and the Worker Compensation Appeal Judges all told the City of Wichita Attorney Kelly Rundell that she could not use KSA 44-510e July 1, 1993 to defend Chester claim.
December 22, 1998 Chester file (Pro se) a Civil Suit and an ADA claim in the Federal Court Case number (98-1491-MLB). Judge Belot did not allow Chester to come in his Chamber with the City of Wichita Attorney Kelly Rundell on August 5, 1999. A Bivens claim can be based on conspiracy of federal agents by showing:(1) the existence of an express or implied agreement among the defendants to deprive someone of constitutional rights, and(2) an actual deprivation of those constitutional rights resulting from the agreement.
Judge Belot allowing the City Of Wichita Attorney Kelly J. Rundell to defend Chester claim using the post Statue KSA 44-510e July 1, 1993 Violated Chester 14th Amendments Rights. This statue KSA 44-510e July 1, 1993 did not exist at the time of Chester injury date. Chester injury Date was 08-12-1992.
Judge Belot Knowingly allow the City of Wichita Attorney Kelly Rundell to file false Information and knowing this action was in violation of Federal rule 56 and the Duty to follow the rule of law.
Chester submitted the case Crow VS City of Wichita, In This case the City of Wichita correctly argue again Mr. Crow using a post Statue. Chester also submitted to the court a letter dated 10-06-1993 just three months after the post statue went in affect, the City of Wichita is stating In this letter that Chester injury Claim is under the old law. Allowing the City of Wichita Attorney Kelly Rundell to use a post statue and Judge Belot awarding the City of Wichita a summary Judgment ruling is wrong by the all Circuit Courts and the Framework set by the United States Supreme Court. The rule of law and all of the facts supported Chester claim. Chester File a motion asking Judge
Belot to Grant him a summary judgment base on all the facts and the rule of law but Judge Belot mooted Chester motion. Chester also file a motion and ask the court to hold the City of Wichita Attorney Kelly Rundell in violation of Federal Rule 56 for Knowingly filing false information. Judge Belot By Rule of law should have mooted the City of Wichita Case once Chester Provided the court with facts showing the City of Wichita Attorney Kelly Rundell were using a post statue to defend Chester Claim. Under the framework set by the United States Supreme Court in McDonald Douglas Vs Green All Chester had to do was to
show that the City of Wichita Attorney Kelly Rundell reasons put forward was untrue or not believe able.
Chester filed an Appeal on May 30, 2001 Case number (01-3167) with the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals but in 2002 Judge Carlos F. Lucero, Judge John C. Porfilio and Judge Stephen H. Anderson all rule in favor for the City of
Wichita. Chester files for an ENBANC hearing and was denied. Chester file a Complaints against Judge Belot But nothing never happen. In 2004 Chester file a Verified Complaint (04-1182-JTM) against Judge Belot, Judge Carlos F. Lucero, Judge John C. Porfilio and Judge Stephen H. Anderson. But withdraw the Suit after receiving a threaten Letter. Chester was able to show the burden of proof that ALL defendant judges acted unconstitutionally or outside of his jurisdiction. ALL judges has engaged in an egregious discrimination against Chester rights under The Fourteenth Amendment. (Equal protection rights) Violations of any of the rights described in these amendments give rise to causes of action, under Title 42 U.S.C. * 1983 and arguably
against federal judges in Bivens actions. Which acts violated Chester constitutional under the 14th amendments rights, civil rights, ADA. Chester also file an complaint with the Kansas Attorney General Office and again nothing happen. A complaint was file with the Kansas Bar and again nothing happen. Wesley Hospital was ask by the City of Wichita to Stop Giving Chester pain shots and give him
diet medication On october 31, 1996 Chester was giving this Diet Medication shot not knowing. Chester lost 25 pounds and to this day has never gain his weight back. In January of 1997 Attorney Ed Heath made his first appearance in the Worker Compensation case. Chester had never met Attorney Ed Heath. But Ed Heath ask Chester a strange Question for someone who had never met Chester Before. The question Ed Heath ask Chester was( look like you have not gain much weight). Chester Felt that was a strange question to ask someone you never met before. Then Chester remember the night of October 31 1996 the personal at Wesley was very rude that night and the medication was a different color from what Chester was always giving? Now Chester knows now why Attorney Ed Heath ask the Question about his weight, Attorney Ed Heath was aware of the CONSPIRACY AGAINST Chester
Below is the list of names of all that took part in this conspiracy or help to cover up
KANSAS ATTORNEY GENERAL PHILL KLINE (785) 296-2215
Kolb George316-268- 4351 City Manager City Managers Office email@example.com
Mayans Carlos 316- 268-4331 Mayor City Council CMayans@wichita.gov
Brewer Carl 316-268-4331 City Council Member City Council CBrewer@wichita.gov
Fearey Sharon 316-268-4331 City Council Member City Council SFearey@wichita.gov
Gray Paul 316- 268-4331 City Council Member City Council PGray@wichita.gov
Lambke Phil 316- 268-4331 City Council Member City Council PLambke@wichita.gov
Martz Bob 316-268-4331 City Council Member City Council BMartz@wichita.gov
Schlapp Susan316- 268-4331 City Council Member City Council SSchlapp@wichita.gov
Niedens Verl 316-268-4608 Claims Administrator Finance VNiedens@wichita.gov
Rebenstorf Gary316- 268-4681 Director of Law
Rundell Kelly 316-268-4681 Senior Assistant City Attorney Law KRundell@wichita.gov
Rudd Mike 316-268-4451 Deputy Fire Chief Fire Department firstname.lastname@example.org
Garcia Larry 316- 268-4451 Fire Chief Fire Department
General Manager KAKE TV: (316) 943-4221 Terry Cole
Ksn News Director
KWCH 12 Joan Barrett - General Manager 316.838.1212
Bonita Gooch The Community Voice 316-681-1155 email@example.com
WICHITA EAGLE Editor Sherry Chisenhall (316) 268-6405
Tom Shine Assistant Managing Editor (316) 268-6268 firstname.lastname@example.org
Mark McCormick (316)-268-6549
ATTORNEYS WHO HELP ON THIS CASE AND FILE FASLE COURT RECORDS
EDWARD D. HEATH 926 ½ E. DOUGLAS 316-2671600
DAVID J. MORGAN 316-264-9137
Kendall R. Cunningham 301 N. MAIN SUITE 1300 316-264-7321
Vincent L Bogart 316 267-0331
WESLEY MEDICAL HOSPITAL 550 N HILLSIDE 316-688-7777
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 2/8/2006 @ 3:09 pm PT...