Wow. I'm sick. But I was expecting it.
I gave up on the media long ago. It's the utter insanity of this society that is following this administration to its destruction.

I'm so glad you are catching these things and reporting them, Brad. That tempers the madness somewhat.
From Superbowls to sitcoms to Grammys, the people of this country are the walking dead.
Absolutely frightening. At least I don't have to spend the money I don't have on some grade B horror flick.

We are at war with Eurasia. We have always been at war with Eurasia.

Your chocalate ration has been increased from 27g to 25g.

Mmmmm, Victory Chocolate

It would seem that these photos are from http://www.isis-online.o...ns/iran/natanz03_02.html Note the date of March 2003. This is the latest news?

Where are the purported North Korean pictures? Do they even exist? Phooey on the MSM.

If you look really closely at both photos you can see a very tiny George W. Bush giving us all the finger.

This is Jon Stewart's fault. Since he got so successful everyone's trying to get in on the fake news game.

Here are the two pic filenames:

Iran pic (from the Iran story page):
story.suspected.site.iran.2.jpg

North Korea pic (from the N. Korea story page):
story.suspected.site.iran.jpg

Obviously this is CNN's screwup. No vast media conspiracy here, you may now remove your tinfoil hats.

[ed note: Full paths to Iran and N. Korea stories removed since it was creating odd formatting on this item. Picture filenames are still given above, but without full path to CNN page]

This is not the type of mistake I would expect one of the countries largest news countries to make. The US administration is waging an intimidation fight against Iran to convince that country to stop its nuclear ambitions. Am I to believe that Iran poses a clear and present danger after we find out that Saddam had no weapons of mass destruction as our government reported to the US people and the world before the Iraq war? I guess I would want to have proof this time....lots of proof. The point of this is that the demonstration of nuclear development in Iran is an extremely serious matter that will affect public opinion tremendously. Should the US enter into a war with Iran against such a huge country with 70 million people, then the US had better be in danger and well informed. Iraq has a flat terrain and about 25 million people, and the US has lost over 1,400 of our sons and daughters, over 10,000 seriously wounded and spent hundreds of billions of dollars. Iran is a much bigger challenge that will have many global consequences as well as domestic sacrifices.

How many people thought that Saddam had a major role in 9/11? A huge percentage of US citizens did. They got their news from a brief one-liner from CNN or other new organization. Visual props have an even bigger impact on peoples perceptions and beliefs. They appear to us as proof and when backed up by a large news organization such as CNN, then it must be true. Clearly, we cannot blindly follow this administrations assertion about middle-east threats and etc. We as true citizens should require proof before we make a decision about such serious matters. And we should require not only accurate reporting by our media, we should require a muckraker attitude, which does not exist at the present time.

Forgive me, I'm at work; no time to create links properly.

Same image, though rotated, appears in Time Magazine
Saturday, Mar. 08, 2003
Nantanz, Iran

The following is the Yongbyon site in Korea
Jan.2, 2004 18:30 KST
Yongbyon, Korea

Errant reporting by CNN. Digital Globe may have mislabeled the ISIS' fots, causing the confusion.

Let me correct the "Same image, though rotated" to "Same site, different perspective". Too early in the morning and not enough coffee.

Well, Matthew. maybe we should all just read The Enquirer. File names don't tell us much. CNN doesn't tell us much. Are you here to do damage control? This kind of thing could cost you your job, unless you are Jeff Gannon, then it takes being another kind of pimp.

I don't think Digital Globe is our friend, any more than CNN is Lori. I don't even trust corporations like Working Assets. It does lend creedence to the notion that the bigger an organization gets, the more the quality and level of service and attention to detail drops off.

I'm not surprised by anything the MSM does anymore? Wish I could figure out what it is about this Bush gang that makes them want to fall all over his crazy assertions.

so the supposed "iranian" reactor is a korean reactor - an innocent mistake, i'm sure. it's not like there's some, er, conspiracy to make us think iran is more of a threat then they really are and get us into an unnecessary war. cause what kind of idiot would buy that?

How do we make this shit hit the mainstream media fan?
How long will it be before we can call for impeachment proceedings?

Nice work. And thanks for sharing!

"Calling Colin Powell, Calling Colin Powell. Your shirts with the CNN logo are ready"

Regarding the links at CNN that seem to have been an error at CNN since files are labeled the same but in different directories...

...It could be reality, it could be plausible deniability, it could be retroactive ass-covering

I would like to believe that this is just a mistake on CNN's part. Someone grabbed the wrong photo. But this brings up the question, is that "nuclear facility" actually in either of those countries? Perhaps it's really in, oh I don't know, Montana and they "accidentaly" used it for Iran, and "accidentaly" used it again for North Korea.

I don't think that photo is Yonbyon.

I disagree with Brad's conclusions about the origin of the photos; but to me, that disagreement isn't really relevant to the discussion.

No matter where the photos came from, CNN has an obligation as a news outlet to verify that the information (and images) that it provides to its readers are accurate. This means checking to make sure that some staffer didn't make an innocent mistake, as well as checking to make sure that the information being provided to them isn't deliberately false.

No matter what your opinions on this particular incident (government conspiracy or CNN foul-up), it reflects poorly on CNN.

CNN can always pretend that mistakes were made. The real question is why they are faking up the alarming news that these dangers are looming. They are playing out of the Bush administration playbook. The loss of an independent media in the US is criminal, and democracies cannot survive the loss of independent sources of truth.

I don't think that photo is Yonbyon.

those photos are incontrevertable proof that we have to invade iraq this instant!

iran, i mean iran.

in comment #19, Disintegrator wrote: "I disagree with Brad's conclusions about the origin of the photos..."

Please note that Brad did not state any conclusion about the origin of the photos. He simply asked a few questions about it.

Perfect! Is Colin Powell in the house?

"BTW, jes' my opinion, but I find that spinning police light next to this story really distracting ... "

None of you get it! A Q Khan sold plans for a nuclear plant to both Iran and North Korea, so it is hardly surprising that they look identical. I am sure if CNN looked carefully enough they could come up with an identical photo for nuclear plants in Syria and Venezuela as well.

:hehe:

I like to give the Son-of-a-Bush a hug...
In his prison cell!

BTW, Papa Bush hjelped kill JFK.

Dude, where's my country???

I agree that the media has totally gone to SHIT lately, but saying that Bush had a hand in it is stupid. CNN, along with most all other major news outlets (Fox News too!), are absolutely retarded. Their integrity is completely gone... Who saw that story they aired about the "captured US soldier" that was actually a TOY?!? I mean, holy SHIT, that was the most ridiculous picture ever...

My point? The Bush administration has NOTHING to do with this...although I really wish Dubya did... Dammit, why did the democratic party have to make such an asshat like Kerry their candidate! Arghhh! Now we have 4 more years of WarMongerMonkeyMan........ we're fucked

ARRRRGH!

Just watch Link TV and listen to Air America until these foul "media" stables get mucked out...

photo's changed now, if you are referring to the photo in the "Timeline: N. Korea nuclear dispute".

This just in. Instead of sitting down and talking with North Korea as requested Bush and his gang of thugs are back to their old tricks dreaming up ways to force them to do what they want. Not a diplomat in the lot.

Comment #27: It wasn't the Democrats who made Kerry, it was... THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA! The GOP WANTED to run aginst Kerry. How do I know this? Granted, it's a hunch but try and remember during the primaries, the states back east voted first and for the entire week before and during all we heard about was how Deam was blowing it and how Kerry was pulling a suprise victory. No matter what channel I watch, the information I get from my TV is all the same; fiction.

CNN probably re-labels all images they are provided so as to adhere to their own filing system
The file names you showed up there don't give you info about their origins.

Moreover, even if it is a cock-up, running the same pix by mistake, the fact remains that someone told them to run nuke-plant images "from" both countries.

In other words, there should be a new, corrected photo in place of the mistaken dupe.

It appears that CNN got its photos from the Isis-Online website (http://www.isis-online.org). Over there, they don't seem to have duplicated the pics-- their pictures of the North Korean and Iran sites are very different.

Right now, I'm going with the theory that some graphics person at CNN screwed up. They've removed the picture from the North Korea story.

CNN changed the NK page. Now its got a pic of Glorious leader.

I suspect that there may be movements within the MSM to come out of the closet. To get out of bed with the admin and stop the journalistic fornication.

They may realize they have journalistic STD's, however, they may not have what it takes to admit it, get help (e.g. from blogs like this), and move on into real and healthy journalism.

But I strongly suspect as well that there are counter forces within the MSM who led them into bed with the admin who like it kinky like that. They may be sabotaging the effort to get cleaned up.

Come on MSM reporters, become whistle blowers. Let your anger at the hypocracy, phony policies, and damage to the profession blast you free.

Get out into the fresh, clear air ... and as Brad has said, make the truth fun again.

If you do we are all here for you! And if you don't we will be here against you.

The true power in 1984 wasn't that they lied --- all oppressive regimes do that --- it was that they CHANGED HISTORY as they went along to revise things so that it didn't even look like they lied.

Like how we went to war in Iraq to get rid of Saddam and give them Democracy, rather than to get rid of WMDs and avoid a "mushroom cloud."

Like how the Medicare bill was ALWAYS going to cost a Trillion dollars, rather than the 400Billion promised on the extended night when they jammed it through.

Like how we always knew the war was going to be tough going and take ten years and cost 500Billion, rather than how we were going to be "greeted in the streets as liberators with flowers and hugs" and be out of there in "two years maximum" and how it was only going to cost 80Billion (if that) and perhaps even be "self financing."

It's not the lying I hate, it's the revisionism.

Remember the mantra... repeat it to everyone you know:

Republicans lie and our kids die.
Republicans steal and give to their rich friends.
Republicans cheat honest Americans and get away with it.
Republicans have to be swept out in 2006.

It's simple. It's to-the-point. It's true. It's our only hope.

Americans must "scream for Democracy."

Charlie L
Portland, Oregon

CNN is running s different pic with a timeline sidebar type story on the NK Nukes LINK

Which I presume is more confirmation that the pic they duped was supposed to be with the Iraq story as MATTHEW LeFANDE points out above.

However, I think it's ironic that the Iran story actually says that the Iranian nucular activities are actually underground.

What we have to rememeber in all this is that Iran does have the right to operate a nuke plant - it's only using the plant to produce fissionable material that is in violation of treaties. The whole use of a any pic of any nucular facility is a distraction unless satellite imagery is so good as to show actual treaty violations - which of course they don't - and if they did - Israel would likely take out the plant themselves as they did in Iraq.

I think Jeff Gannon got info from Karl Rove. see Mike Rupert's 12/05/03 piece, Washington is talking about the similarity between J.E. Hoover and Karl. I'll bet the whole W.H. press corpse knows. Shows they are sitting on it, not just lax. Irony of ironies bloggers discovered this info right out from a room full of supposed journalists.

According to two or three articles at yesterday's antiwar.com site, it's likely DUMYA can't, or Congress won't, muster enough soldiers or money to attack either Iran or N. Korea. He's blown all the "budgets". He has no further "credibility" with Europe or China or Russia (or anyone else outside the U.S.A., for that matter). I think these three parties will ensure DUMYA and America don't have any more "war parties" abroad. DUMYA and his administration can shoot all the hot air they want, using CNN and the MSM. The only ones who believe him are "faith-based" Americans, as in no capability for critical or rational thinking. DUMYA may try to get Israel's Sharon to attack Iran. But is Sharon stupid??? So far, I don't think so.

As for the media, they're a totally brainless lot. It's not news - it's entertainment, advertising and propaganda. It's time that all of America knows this.

P.S. I personally like the spinning police lights!!!! Emergency, Emergency, Emergency, calling any and all thinking, caring people to attention! We have another potential F..K up here!

This morning I was listening to NPR's Morning Edition, and I know they've been leaning more and more to the right lately, but didn't realize how far.

The subject was missile defense, and whether or not it works. The speaker they had on was obviously a rethug because his opinion was that, all in all, it was a good system. We know this is bullshit, but NPR didn't offer a differing opinion. This is bad enough, but what really burned my hindparts was how the speaker used Iran and North Korea as his theoretical threat. This is how he said it, though not a quote, 'if we had incoming missiles, let's suppose....Iranian or North Korean'..........

You know..... I expect this on RWCM stations, but not on NPR! It's bad, real bad. They didn't skip a beat. Gonna make a complaint, as I'm sure many will. It was so blatant.

Molly #38

"press corpse"
Nice:)

Re: my own #40
nuff said

While some of this has been said before, here's my two cents:

That's not Yongbyon at all. Here's Yongbyon - note that it looks nothing like the picture (including the surrounding terrain):
http://www.globalsecurit...prk/yongbyon-imagery.htm

It's actually the Natanz facility, in Iran:
http://www.ceip.org/file...s/images/iran/natanz.JPG
http://www.isis-online.o...ns/iran/natanz03_02.html
http://www.cnn.com/2003/...D/meast/09/15/iran.iaea/
(etc)

Just do a google image search for "Natanz" and a search for "Yongbyon" - essentilly every Natanz image looks like the above, while every Yongbyon image doesn't.

The funny thing? It's not a "suspected site" - it's a declared site. How dumb of CNN to pretend that it's something insidious, when Iran invited the IAEA there to check it out. Heck, how could CNN forget about the site - it was the source of controversy when HEU was found by the IAEA (for which the Bush administration jumped all over Iran), which was then later determined to have been contamination from when the equipment was in Russia. After the issue was resolved, the IAEA concluded "The Agency has continued to carry out verification activities with respect to the suspension of enrichment and reprocessing related activities at TNRC, Lashkar Ab’ad, Arak, Kalaye Electric Company workshop, Natanz and UCF, and has not observed to date any activities at those locations inconsistent with Iran’s voluntary undertaking."

For what it's worth, while I think think this is a poor mistake by a prominent media organization, I don't think CNN considers it one nor of much great concern.

Obviously, what happened is that there were no existant or available photos of the one site and the producer/graphics people just photo-shoped the other site as a substitute. "Hey, don't all nuclear facilities look alike from the air?":) The image is not meant to be real as much as provide context for the article.

How many times have you seen war reporting on CNN televsion of either repeated instances of the same firefights with the same wounded soldier firing back or better yet, reporting on American troops when obviously, the helmets indicate that they are British soldiers.

Now, if (and I don't think this is the case) the images were government supplied, then I would be really worried.

It appears that CNN has corrected the error.

I contacted them via their website asking for an explanation. I encourage others to do so also

According to ISIS, the new NK photo is actually Yongbyon's five MWe reactor:

http://isis-online.org/p...ns/dprk/5MWereactor.html

Get Dan Rather on this !!!

Irrevocably factual reporting needed. Now!

CNN has posted a correction. Media outlets make misstakes every day, and they frequently correct the mistakes, unlike hyperbolic blogs and their frantic readers.

Hey, didn't Bill and Hillary kill Vince Foster? Oops! Wrong blog, I thought I was at Free Republic or Little Green Snotballs. It seems we have a few visitors from across the way, lurking. Here's a neat piece I found over at Counter Punch by Paul Craig Roberts (Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration and Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review). I bet he won't be invited back to the White House any time soon.

As Things Fall Apart, Lie and Lie Again
Nothing to Fear But Bush Himself

In your amusing post, you include the following:

"All of which begs at least these questions:"

The phrase "begs the question" does not mean "raises the question" or "suggests the question". The phrase "begs the question" refers to a logical fallacy in which one assumes the very thing one sets out to prove. In other words, the conclusion assumes one or more of the premises. The latin name for the fallacy is 'petitio principii'.

Thank you for your post. This is a quibble, obviously, but proper usage of the English language helps establish credibility.

Trolls you should know that it was not CNN that discovered the error. It was a blog. CNN in its MSM way is reactionary and reacted.

That is all they know. And it brought you guys here to elaborate with your stunning logic and wisdom.

When is CNN really not wrong when it is wrong? When a blog points out a "mistake".

This tells you noting because since you already know it all you cannot be told anything, especially the obvious.

CNN Sucks comment #27 and Jeff comment #31:
I don't think you could classify John Kerry as a moron. He may have the charisma of a dead chicken, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Hitler was incredibly charismatic. So was Rasputin. I could go on, and challenge you to try it for yourself. Think of all the most incredibly charismatic people that you know of and 75% of them, maybe more, will not be someone you'd want as a president. Charisma is not all it's cracked up to be, and George isn't exactly charismatic himself. I'd read the essay I posted above, look who is writing it, and calling them all morons. You have been watching the MSM too long.

"What do you do when, instead of being greeted with flowers, you find your army is tied down by insurgents and you have no face-saving way to get out of the morass? If you are the moronic Bush administration, you blame someone else.

Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice, Cheney and Bush blame Syria and Iran for the troubles that they brought upon themselves. The Iraqi insurgency, say the Five Morons, is the fault of Syria and Iran."

The most important point is we know how far they will go to push the agenda, including murder. So far we here have escaped too much harm, but the petential is there for all of us. It is absolutely essential that we are vigilant and police all of their actions. Nothing is trivial, even if in retrospect, an event turns out to be relatively harmless.

Thank You, Larry, for that clarification. Acceptable usage and even meaning often change over time, because language is a living and evolving thing that refuses to become hard and inelastic, much to the consternation of the lexicographer, the grammarian and the pedant, and ain't it wonderful that it do? Fo' shizzle! I'm hooked on ebonics myself. Ever read read Bill Bryon's book, The Mother Tongue? Fascinating and very funny.

Get a life! I think you're the one who is playing the games here!

apparently Bob (#48) doesn't think accuracy is important. maybe he is so inured to slipshod reporting that he just don't notice anymore. a slip here, a slip there, it's all very innocent, nothing to see here.....

i, too, thought the twin photos were probably just an honest mistake, or sadly, more sloppy journalism. but that's not the point.

what other mistakes have been made that haven't been caughtt? if we don't pay attention and speak up, we deserve the sloppy journalism that we "enjoy" today.

I am no longer inclined to give *anyone* a pass since the war in Iraq has been waged on false evidence and false pretenses. i don't think we can't afford to be so permissive when there are thousands of lives at stake. well, maybe you can, but i refuse to do so.

who watches the watchers?

I am SICK of surgically altered, starved, bleached blonde, painted faced robots being purveyors of the truth.

Please replace the wrong 'e' in potential with this'o'. It's been bothering me. Thanks.

Well I notice a lot of "petitio principiis" in the so-called goddamned facts the media is spewing!

It doesn't matter WHO the Dems had as their candidate. THE FUCKING SCUMBAG TRAITOR FUCKS (Read Refuckikkkans) STOLE THE ELECTION!
We could have had Jesus on the ticket and Goebbels Rove would have stole the elction anyway.
You don't get it. DON'T BLAME ANYONE EXCEPT DICKHEAD HIMSELF. I AM SEARCHING FOR THE PERFECY LYNCHING TREE AND A ROPE TO HANG THE FUCKING TRAITOROUS CUNT FUCK.

Darned right, Teresa! That's ALL they do: start with an assumption instead of a question and massage it until it appears to be fact.

We don't have a news media we can trust.
Their all bought and paid for.
Thanks for putting this up.

LGM #49 -

Great link! Thanks so much...

Don't let the freepers steal the facts, as small as they are. Don't let them steal your feelings, either. It's no small fact that 'this' story brings them out here on Bradblog.

See http://cryptome.org/yongbyon.htm for photos of the yongbyon reactor. (NK)

I have witnessed many times a photo in the MSM being used for several things unrelated to the news item at hand.

My theory on it, like in this case, it that they have a very, very low opinion of their viewership and/or readership.

I think it is the old psychological condition where an individual could not possibly respect anyone that accepted them as they are.

The MSM probably has an "I suck" mentality and hold in disdain and derision their audience for not realizing it.

"Anyone who would believe this bu$shit is a dork" is likely their innermost essence.

We gotta bring these neohumans out of the freaking closet and into our world where the truth is fun and facts and fairness are the foundation of journalism.

I don't give a shit if a bad report is given by a gay, bi, a whore, yo mamma, or straight ... when the "reporter" sucks they suck.

Uh... the corrected photo looks like a section of the same picture, about a third from the bottom on the left hand side. Possibly with some detail removed to look like snow, and certainly enlarged to obscure surrounding area. I'm no expert, but looking at the curve of the road, it seems the same. I also might be getting paranoid, what with this spooky Gannon apparatchik stuff and all.

Oh, Dredd - I'm such a big fan of yours...and LGM...and go get 'em Zleeper...those Repubs. are sooooo weeeaaakk in the head and heart. I'm a huge fan of brains teamed with ethics. This combination seems much too rare these days. The trolls haven't got the faintest chance of honestly winning a debate against you guys.

Hi, Teresa - I will be looking up "petitio principiis" to find out exactly what it means, but, meanwhile, the "piis" part sounds familiar - so I say "piss" on the all the lying hypocrites in the MSM and the White House.

ich ford're den kopf des Bus*!

Good catch on the pictures. Too bad CNN didn't catch it, but don't condemn the corporation because an editor or web producer screwed up.

Your editor, for example, should have corrected this usage: "All of which begs at least these questions"

You mean "raises at least these questions."

To beg a question is to assume the answer to a question you haven't actually raised. It's a logical fallacy. The phrase has been much abused of late, but shouldn't be; we need it to describe the fallacy, which is employed all too often.

Regards.

Good catch on the pictures. Too bad CNN didn't catch it, but don't condemn the corporation because an editor or web producer screwed up.

Your editor, for example, should have corrected this usage: "All of which begs at least these questions"

You mean "raises at least these questions."

To beg a question is to assume the answer to a question you haven't actually raised. It's a logical fallacy. The phrase has been much abused of late, but shouldn't be; we need it to describe the fallacy, which is employed all too often.

Regards.

Who let the dogs out? And why are they hanging around here tonight?

Yo dog! Lar #50 - ya mean if we don't talk right what we say don't mean nothing, eh?

Don Martin #69 & #70 - it's unfortunate that you choose to dwell on trivia, when the MSM has an "obligation" to correctly report the facts and not mislead or act as the White House propaganda machine. "Simple mistakes" by the MSM amount to "misinformation" which is difficult to correct once it's out there.

If you have read all of the foregoing posts, the referenced sites, and other reportings available, then the photo and story cannot be passed off as a "simple mistake. Perhaps the White House and the MSM propaganda machine made a "simple mistake" when it claimed there were WMD's in Iraq and showed us photos of "portable labs" and promoted an illegal war. Yes, we can conclude that it was all just an "simple mistake". It eases the mind and relieves us all of responsibility for our "simple mistakes".

"Simple mistakes" or "misinformation" are not an option when you are dealing with the lives and welfare of millions of people. What this "simple mistake" is leading us towards is further military aggression based on "misinformation". Sorry, I guess I don't agree with you on this one.

Can we believe that the photo is even of a location in North Korea? Given this administration's record of lying, I wouldn't believe a thing.

Peggy said.....

"Simple mistakes" or "misinformation" are not an option when you are dealing with the lives and welfare of millions of people. What this "simple mistake" is leading us towards is further military aggression based on "misinformation". Sorry, I guess I don't agree with you on this one.

Asolutely.
The point is, they are being paid huge sums of money to do a job. And they are doing an amateurish, total botching of reality job. Each little lie is set up like dominoes, until they all are set into motion to create a catastrophe for the American people.

We are the targets and we are responsible for fighting this. We need to shoot down every lie we can, big or small, until the force of opposition wears them out and overwhelms them, rendering them impotent. We have an especially hard job in that we have to make up for all the brain dead people who are a part of this and don't care. (yet).

Peggy, check out Larry Trask #50 for a great explanation of petitio principii.

I do believe this might be coming down to mind control, as the biggest issue... a battle of the wits. Maybe we can figure out new ways to get our message through, with focus and funding, and the consolidation of talent.

I noticed an interesting thing today. Randi Rhodes is off for awhile on Air America, and they chose Mike Malloy to replace her on Mondays. As you probably know, he is outrageous, HIGHLY inflammatory, and extremely rebellious. To put him on late afternoon drive time radio might be significant. It can't be just ratings. They usually have him on late, so as not to cause trouble.
I know a lot of new people were exposed to the message today.

Perspective is key here - if you look at the corrected photo, that actually IS North Korea, you can see that it's at a much more oblique angle than the duplicated Iran photo. This is likely because the photos were taken from a satellite orbiting above the equator, which would look down much more directly on Iran than on NK. Any serious attempt at misinformation would be a little more sophisticated, I think.

I'm a graphic designer and often times when I am working on a new job, until i have a final image, I will just grab the template from a former job and resize it. Probably just change a bit of the copy as well. then when I get the correct final image I drop it in as one of the last things I do on the project.

All this shows is the increased scrutiny of web based media outlets hasn't translated into increased pay for web monkeys. The 22 year old who was in charge of changing those photos was probably trying to leave early and dropped the ball.

I'm surprised that some of the pedants, (not the same as pedophiles) and grammarians haven't provided an example of "question begging" but they may only know the latin, petitio principii. I know a little latin, too. His name is Raoul. That's a joke. I prefer the term circular reasoning because it is pretty clear that's what it is. It is not the same as tautological reasoning, but they will both make your head spin like Linda Blair in The Exorcist if you are not careful.

That's it. I'm hooked on blogs.

I heard several (both liberal and con) talk show hosts today trying to discredit "bloggers". Yeah, sure, if bloggers get it wrong, they don't get fired, BUT if a blogger gets it wrong too often no one will read her/his site. INFOECONOMICS.

Also, getting it "wrong" doesn't seem to be getting anyone in the Executive Branch fired, does it?

Blog hard, blog often.

Sorry. "Honest Mistake" doesn't wash here. A real person had to touch this footage. If grabbed from a "stock" pile, they implicitly knew it was the Iran footage and published anyway. If it were handed to them by a government official, they must have been falsely told "This is from Korea."

In the former, it proves that CNN just doesn't give a crap about accuracy, and are more concerned about theater than reporting.

In the latter, it proves that CNN now functions as a newsletter for the guys in power, even if they attest they are not.

In both cases, with something as serious as nuclear war, it proves that CNN is incompetent, a dangerous liability to Americans, and an easy conduit for lies.

There are a couple of "insufferables" here, and I too happen to be pedantic when it comes to logic and usage.

There is a "B" and a "Don" who seem to suggest that classical rhetorical "correctness" is equivalent to value and truth. I say to them, "Do not criticize if you cannot surpass." B and Don - if your total effectualness is in the advocacy of form rather than meaning, you have defeated your own (logical) ends.

Wake Up People of United States of America !

Hugo Chavez - venesuala's president called USA a terrorist state. And i share that view.

Nothing surprises me anymore where this gang is concerned (Bush, OR CNN!) I hate to say it, but when I saw the the blast in Lebanon yesterday, along with the immediate intoning of blame on Syria for this (another Bush target: How CONVENIENT!) my first thought was, Bush's guys did it, both to foment civil unrest there to be taken advantage of and to lay the ground work for rhetoric to invade Syria down the line! I thought some of those bombs in Iraqui markets and mosques had that same origin, as well as the hotel bombing of foreign journalists, right NEXT TO the larger one with the American imbedded ones.. Call me a cynic, but I've been calling these things for over thirty years now (JFK's murder, Iran Contra, October Surprise, stolen 2000 election, and Neocon involvement in 9/11) ...and I haven't been wronge YET!

Pictures are all well and good, but how do I know any of them are of a nuclear plant?

There is virtually no context provided in the "correction" photo. It could be an office building in Michigan.

Good point Paul #87.

It makes one wonder how the CIA populace handles them.

The current photo was not caught by MSM professionals, so it may be that inside the CIA where they thrive on such photos, the same thing happens from time to time.

There has been a notion that "group think" has taken over the government.

There has been criticism of that group think and there has been glorification of it via the notion of a strange concept of "patriotism".

The 911 commission envisioned a mechanism which is said to have led to the development of policies that have inherent criticism entities in the CIA. MSM is supposed to have that too. So is congress. So should individual americans.

I mean one group is to be the "here is the way it is" while another group is to be the "no it isn't, it's like this".

This is said to develop a more accurate picture of the real world at the point of focus.

While I agree that a pro and con type of discourse will in general tend to ask more questions about a subject, and produce more of a 3-D reality, it is not perfect.

The fundamental accuracy of arguments pro and con both depend on proximity to the underlying facts. Stray for any reason and the picture distorts no matter if one is arguing pro or con.

We here at this blog have a fundamental tenet that the MSM should be critical of the admin specifically, and the greater government in general.

We advocate the notion that our national DNA has been changed by a MSM that is not playing the contra role (being suspicious of power), but instead is in bed with (embedded) power and is content to project any and all visions the admin sends them.

We think this is the problem the 911 commission envisioned when it described some of the symptoms when it criticized the pre-911 CIA.

While I do not give the 911 report good marks for the underlying factual scenario it depicted, I do give the idea of seperation of powers good marks, and I advocate that it must be applied to the MSM and the government.

They must sleep in seperate beds and have a view of reality based upon what they discover, not what they are told by the government.

And as your criticism notes, the MSM needs some internal criticism so it does not consider one "picture" to fit all locations.

It's a bloody misprint you tinfoil-headed twits!

Actually, the head of CNN has just been fired for saying, in a private meeting, that that the US military has deliberately killed jounalists in Iraq.

Apparently freep bloggers generated enough of an "outrage" to cost this man his job, simply for trying to defend his employees against the risk of being killed!

Not much of a State stooge then.

Check the Freeps' gloating rants over the downfall of the errant CNN exec here:

http://talk.guardian.co....Bd8or0XZ.0@.7747afb6/279

To all those who claim an honest mistake, I say this: How is it that these "mistakes" like "election irregularities" only appear to favour the administration?

When Dan Rather made a "mistake", he was hounded out of his job with only the most perfunctory "investigation" being done, yet when CNN makes a "mistake", NOTHING IS DONE - no admission of error, nada, nix, nowt.

Sorry, I don't buy the "mistake" bullshit for a second.

To the Pro/Am linguist brigade I say, if you don't like the sentence construction here, go someplace else. As long as the information presented is verifiable and the reasoning based on it holds up to scrutiny, the occasional grammatical faux pas is inconsequential (as long as the message doesn't get corrupted). Here, we value the message, even if it comes with some piss-smellings.
:P

Keep the faith siblings.

LOL, Brother Dawookie.

This behaviour fits well within the operational parameters of the storytellers hyping up yet another conflict.

The reactor in Iran is still under construction, so a photo of a finished article was needed to contrive the urgency of the matter, hence the photo of N Korean reactor gets borrowed!

As for Kay, his credentials from Iraq inspections stand witness for us all. Kay knew there were no weapons in Iraq along with the rest of warmongers since 1992 onwards, but to get his annual million-dollar pay cheque, went on to produce the kind of vague reports that the necons, and warmongers wished for.

During his interview on CNN, Kay pontificated that for the past 18 years Iranians through deception, have hid their nuclear activities from the international community (does it not sound familiar?)!!!

Anyone who can be bothered to read the NPT, will realise that the treaty sates until such time there is no uranium introduced into any plant there is no need for any declarations of any kind. Although curiously all the billion dollar satellite technologies ranging from the primitive camera type to synthetic aperture ground penetrating radar equipped ones, have failed to see the cement blocks being erected. As well as all those well-paid analysts analysing the data from such equipment falling into group think trap have analysed these cement blocks as a grand mosque getting built!!

http://www.thisislondon....ource=Evening%20Standard

http://www.dailytimes.co...ge=story_15-2-2005_pg4_2

Nonetheless the propaganda goes, on since as ever there is no need for checking the veracity of any stories that the rent an expert mob come out with, as well as the bashful reporters feeling shy to question the integrity of the commander in chief, and his neocon posse!

Finally although the oil is running out, and Kiribas Islands are drowning, but there is no need to go nuclear, after all what are the oil companies to do to get their billions of profits? Anyway when the history is read (if there is anyone left to read it) Dubya would have been long gone, as he keeps telling Woodward and everybody else!

:laugh:

Nice catch, Brad.
Oh: honest mistake my ass!

the first-mentioned CNN page now says

An earlier version of this article included an image that was incorrectly identified as an aerial photograph of North Korea's Yongbyon nuclear plant. The photo was actually a commercial satellite photo of a nuclear facility near Natanz, Iran.

Right on Bia Winter #86!
That's what I thought when I heard the news! My god we're getting cynical and suspicious. How sad for us, but even sadder for those who are being manipulated and don't even know it.

DaWookie just for you (you rock!):

I rest my case.

Hi ho hi ho, it's off to war we go!

Back to the discussion of not paying income taxes to pay for war, I found this rather interesting article. Anyone know anything about it?

I am pleasantly surprised that Paul intuitively recognizes the symbolism depicted in this thread, and generates criticism where it is due (see comment #87).

I compliment him for his clear headedness and make some references to the symbolism and its extended implications to, for example, the CIA (comment #88).

I am unpleasantly surprised at the cluelessness of Cole #47, Bob #48, Hairy #55, Don Martin #69-70, and BadNewsWade #89, as compared to those who pointed out that we are talking about reporting within a World War III potential context here.

Two nations who have been threatened who have vowed to rain fire from the sky and create hell on earth if attacked.

To handle this in a ho hum Gannon speak manner is dangerous and sends the wrong message.

Walking on eggs to be accurate is a better extreme than the extreme of treating inaccuracy on heavy matters as if that inaccuracy was required.

Support our Troops!

Fact of the matter is that as long as the peoples in these countries don't try to learn a more pluralistic culture, they'll continue to face tyranny from within as well as through foreigners (who work like scavangers)!

The US has withdrawn its Ambassador to Syria

BadNewsWade #89 exemplifies some of the damage that group-think does.

First it moves away from the facts via a concept that "loosely handling the facts is expected". It is good enough for gummit work s/he opines.

S/He says the CNN guy was "fired" missing the fact that he "resigned". Those who study law know that there is a major difference.

There is always the hypocrit gene in group-think, it seems, and this time it is called a "bloody misprint". Yea, the story is about lotsa blood. Nukes and lotsa blood go together like group-think and death.

So a story that involves a context of nuclear war and millions of deaths need not be handled like a first dog story (was it really the picture of First Dog or just one of fluffy down at a ranch?), but that is all comsumed and puked out somewhere with a scrubbing "just a misprint" statement.

This leads melodiously, I am sure BadNewsWade would group-think, to "that that the US military has deliberately killed jounalists in Iraq" ... when the actual fact is that the statement was that they were "targeted". Targeted does not mean "killed".

Hell there is no reasonable doubt that americans are "targeted" to keep to the story facts, and even "killed" to go with this group-think extension, by what is called "friendly fire". Read about it all the time (when it is not near an election).

The military targets its own and kills them. Those are for real facts. It could happen to those they don't sleep with too ya know.

But I will assume the best for this group-think monger and presume mens rea was part of the unspoken foundation upon which this rant was based.

That is, the rantor #89 meant to say that the CNN dude said and meant that the military intentionally murdered some journalists.

I think, since rantor #89 used the metaphor "tinfoil-headed" as a cup to contain rancor and ad hominem juices (when clearly it is not evident that we wear any hats at all as bloggers, and certainly none are required for membership here) I too will use some metaphor.

First off, the military is on record as having advocated murdering innocent american civilians to further desires of invasion. Hey this link is about friendly fire that was to murder hundreds of americans ... bring down a civilian aircraft, sniper kill innocent civilian people on the streets of America, and bomb some more, to blame it on those the military wanted to invade.

So put it where the sun don't shine, i.e., between your ears, down under your thin hat of lack of reason rantor #89.

They have in the past and will in the future, target, kill, and imprison journalists. Since danger is outside the comfort zone of 99.9% of american MSM, Inc., it works.

It is as simple as "you can't have a dork MSM without it being made up of dork reporting". The sum is composed of the individual parts.

It just isn't true rantor #89 that "parts are parts".

Soroush #101.

Of course you are right that the US and Britain are guilty of this, but there is S.Vietnam, N.Korea, and Iran to blame too ... ya know ...

If they are not criticized too, they my follow the example of Britain and the US and become the largest arms dealers, WMD collectors, and invaders on the freaking planet.

The Government's and the Mainstream Media will stop at nothing to protect there deep dark secrets.
Nothing will change until they notice that nobody is watching there TV lies anymore. This was no mistake, it was a out right lie.

The mainstream MEDIA is more then willing to lie for the Government's it happens here in Canada to.

Cheryl #102 -

I love that "profound outrage" on the part of *. The same way he was so profoundly outraged by "terrism" and 9/11 that he sponsored it? Good morning, America.

Outstanding work, Brad. Outstanding.

Dredd - True, true, true. If every brick isn't baked, the structure will crumble in the first rainstorm. Half-baked isn't good enough either. By the way, I was only mildly shocked (is that possible?) to see yesterday that CNN's "Headline News" is now going to have programming! Linda Grace and her "Court TV" snarls will now constitute "headlines!"

Wow! They've even misunderestimated the IQ of the lower percentiles with that one...

What losers!!!

Its the same pic!!

"Anal retentive" is an antonym of "liberal."

I am a liberal perfectionist.

Civil Rights Commission Website Purges Bush-Unfriendly Reports

Update: Most of the deleted reports have been posted at The Memory Hole here.

The homepage of the US Commission on Civil Rights website now contains this disclaimer in tiny type:

On January 7th, 2005, the Commission adopted a new policy on the public release and posting of reports and Commission documents. To comply with that new policy, the website has been updated and several draft reports that failed to receive a majority of Commissioners' votes have been removed. Those reports are available upon request.

I'm confident this is just a stupid mistake. But I'm also confident that the use of photographs of this kind to scare people and create a nice visual narrative, a la 24, of what the "enemy" is up to, is very deliberate - though also stupid.

In this case, what's especially stupid is the fact that this same image appeared last June on the cover of the New York Times Magazine, but with actual information about the plant included in the article. Now CNN provides the image, but with all the relevant context removed.

This is how things gather steam for the war engine, one terrifyingly uninformative image at a time.

"Clearly it is not evident that we wear any hats at all as bloggers, and certainly none are required for membership here". So good Dredd, I had to repeat it.....

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Hi Peg C!

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Great catch Bradblog! False claims from CNN or any other corporate news site is to be expected because they all pretty much synthesize the news as they see fit anyway and report official white house lies without question and so recycling photos is perfectly normal in the world of corporate news. The fake reporters are no worse than the official reporters and 'real news' in this Alice-in-Wonderland America is less reliable than Jon Stewart's self-proclaimed fake news. So, I am not surpirsed at recycled photos at CNN or any other corporate news, but its still a great catch and a great laugh! Well done!

All the photos could be of some water treatment plant for all I know.However, Kim did say he had nukes. Why would he lie?

As a related point: when Colin Powell gave his UN Security Council Speech about Iraq, he used pictures from 1991.

Not many ordinary people could possibly know what the satellite pics were, where they were from, or what they were supposedly depicting. So all TRUE Americans believed him.

A Swedish Institute, however, recognized the photos within hours, and reported that they also had the same ones on their own database, exposing the lie. Did any Anericans notice? Yeah, who can read Swedish, right? Or French or German, as the news was immediately repeated in these languages? Oh yeah, I forgot. Americans don´t speak other languages. Why should they, right? THey are already so darn clever....

re #115: You don't have to speak other languages to get news from other countries. All it takes is some curiosity and a bit of effort. I was listening to Radio Sweden every day during the months before the attack on Iraq and I knew the administration's whole case for war was B.S. Radio Sweden was talking to Hans Blix virtually every day, and every day he was saying the same thing:

"No complaints here. They let us go wherever we want, they let us see whatever we want. We just haven't been able to find any weapons."

I didn't need to read Swedish to know about this. It's too bad that the major media in USA were not reporting it, but it's also too bad that the vast majority of Americans didn't care enough to seek out any information for themselves. They still don't. We here on the net are still the exceptions. And until and unless that changes.... well, you know the rest.

Response to Peggy Comment #39:

While I agree with your assessment, I find it frightening that the weapon left to use to get the world to kowtow to the US is of course a WMD. Think of the possibility that George and the Hawks using a "small" tactical nuclear weapon to destroy the WMD site and its infrastructure while at the same time showing those who are "against us" that we are not afraid to use the ultimate weapon.

Just a very scary thought!

May I remind everyone that a prominent Pulitzer prize winner wrote a series in Bosnia about a presumed war criminal. It made for great copy and with the dozens of witnesses he had this dude was number 37 on the most wanted list.
Only problem was the criminal in question was a fictional character. It was as if someone reporter came here and wanted to find out more about this Paul Bunyan fellow.

Im not even gonna go into all the US propaganda in the Balkans, we would have to spend about 4 months. Thats how long I worked on my communications paper on the Balkans propaganda machine. Most of the stuff was so blatant that it was scary since it proved that the media was either clueless or bias.

This picture fuckup is peanuts compared to the open lies the government fed us in Bosnia, Kosovo and Iraq. For petes sake, even the 911 whitewash papers specify that the people responsible where based in Bosnia. When Osama was there with thousands of his muhajeddins there, wht the hell does our media think they were doing? Taking the sun?

Our media does a piss poor job of covering the news and considering that most of our foreign news comes from 1-2 sources (I heard a sports director talking about a totally separate subject drop the line that up to 90% of our international news comes from AP. Throw in the economic factors and it is very, very easy to manipulate the media.

Its a cute story but it is also a red herring.

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We should be very suspect when the armchair warriors want to go to war. They need to prove to EVERYONE here and abroad and not the select few contractors for the DoD, so we dont have anothe BS war. Maybe another 9-11 will be the catalyst for us to attack a country that does not even have a nuclear reactor yet. Doesnt alot of water have to be pumped into a reactor to cool it? Where are the huge steam stacks to release the steam? The iranians supposedly have underground facilities. Too deep for conventional weapons and this is why Bush and his whackos want to produce bunker busting nukes.
In Bush World EVERYTHING goes wrong...goes wrong...goes wrong..
...but no one is ever to blame. Its like Jedi mind tricks meets Bizarro world.

Remember this acronym..FEAR

False Evidence Appearing Real

..its worked before, unfortunately with the brain dead and controlled sheeple in this country, it will happen again.

Much as I hate to agree, I think that Stu is right. We are committed, but until we are a majority none of this counts for piss.

What needs to happen is for a MSM outlet to grow some balls and make public one (of the many) blatant lies. That IMO is where we come in. The MSM have now had to start mentioning the blogospere over the WH reporter/Gay 'Ho story, let's keep the slack barstards on the run - maybe then we'll get some proper reporting done. I only get my news from the BBC and blogosphere, I don't trust anyone else.

Brothers and sisters, tell your friends! Spread the word!

re #121. BBC are good sometimes but not always. They do a fair bit of spinning, too. Be very skeptical!

@CNN:
Let's make a new story on Iran nuke facility's. Joey, will you go through the stock areial photos that looks like a nuke plant? Hmm.. Nice.. Oh this time please tag the photo so we don't use it for Syria. I don't want the foolish blogs to take on us again when we did that nuke story last time.

sheeple. CNN fucked up

"CORRECTION

An earlier version of this article included an image that was incorrectly identified as an aerial photograph of North Korea's Yongbyon nuclear plant. The photo was actually a commercial satellite photo of a nuclear facility near Natanz, Iran."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/...orea.nukes.ap/index.html

I think the MSM is about to explode within the lockdown they are under. They are totally envious of the freedom and excitement of the blogosphere. I think something might blow. Now is the time to put the pressure on. It's all out intellectual warfare.

In light of what we have seen in the last few days, a lot of posts on this thread now look pretty f dot stupid. Even stupider than they did when they were posted. LOL.

Unreal...

then IE will
1) start supporting CSS propely,
2) drop insecure activex crap (the biggest problem in the world, perhaps),
3) support transparent .png's,
4) get tabbed browsing,
5) adblock?

OO - sorry, I can't spell your name from here! My IE version, with security updates, certainly blocks adds and cookies, etc. Maybe the rest will follow?

Good for you and your keen eye.
I feel we are being propelled licketysplit to hell. What can we do???????????

Good for you and your keen eye.
I feel we are being propelled licketysplit to hell. What can we do???????????

wow fantastic let's expose the bastards. :angry:

it seems there are still those who stand by CNN and the rest of the ilk. i'd like someone to count the times wolf shitter said weapons of mass destruction with that bullshit ecitement

hey cnn changed the picture on the north korean nuke sight. they must have read the column

Hey, those aren't the same photos! Those sites were built by the same construction crews at the same time from the same plans! If ya believe this comment, I've got some ocean front property in Arizona I'll sell ya real cheap!
Everyone should know by now that the mainstream news medi is controlled by the global elite pigs that rule the government and they'll put whatever they want to on the news.

No.25 is a moron.

To All Those Truth Seekers Out There:

This is just further evidence of how truly deceptive and evil the U.S.A. (United Satanic Alliance) has really been all along. Remember how the American Indians were tricked and deceived into phony treaties with the U.S. Government that inevitably resulted in them losing their land and being herderd onto the "reservations"? Remember the phony sinking of the U.S.S. Maine in Havana Harbor in order to start the war with Spain. Remember the sinking of the Lusitania under very mysterious circumstances in an attempt to get the U.S. into WWI in its early stages? Remember the phony "surprise attack" at Pearl Harbor in which the U.S. deliberately manipulated the Japanese into making the "first move" as the pretext to officially get involved in WWII? Remember how Korea and China were deliberately sold out to the Communists by the U.S. at the end of WWII, thus precipitating the Korean WAR and later the Vietnam War with its deceptive "Gulf Of Tonkin Resolution"? Remember the phony crap out of the mouth of the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the U.S. before Congress in which she lied through her teeth saying that Irqi troops had taken Kuwaiti babies out of their incubators in Kuwaiti hospitals so that they could send the incubator to Iraq? Remember the MANYLIES ABOUT THE EVNETS ON THE MORNING OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2001? REMBER THE "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION IN IRAQ"? REMEMBER THE TRUTH NEVER COMES OUT OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, NEVER!!!

FIGHT THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!

The so called photo mix up is no accident, this is corporate controlled media we are talking about ,all it takes is a word in the ear of their man on the news floor.

:crazy: :angry: :blush: :confused: :O :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :satisfied: :satisfied: :satisfied: :satisfied: :satisfied: :plain: :plain: :plain: :plain: :plain: :doze: :doze: :doze: :doze: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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Any one of you out there know anything about the politics of Kiribas?
Is it a parliamentary executive or a predsidental one?
I need this information for my essay at UNI.
Thanks everyone who could possibly enlighten me.
GG

As a professional photographer of 15 plus years I can tell you with certainty :"Believe half of what you hear and half of that what you see."

Not only can one take any image and alter it and rearrange it, but to make it as obvious as this
borders on recless graphics in any department.

Fire the loser.

Did you know that New Zealand is so far neuclear free.
Or as George Bush calls it nukelar free.

There is wind and water and sun, plenty of scope to keep us going.

I wish we had one of those Doomsday machines things.

I Dont Give a Friggin crap how many Backward Arab Fossels we kill . the united states has fed and protected the world for 50 years or more , and all they do in gratitude is shit all over us .

Its Allready 2005 , and if these backwards cultures can not start working towards a better future with the rest of the planet , we must Grind then into DUST.

Damn that Carl Rove, he made them do it.

gary #143, Hitler says the same type of stuff... and you are disillusioned thinking America is feeding and protecting the world... hell, we don't feed or protect our OWN citizens, let alone the world's. And since when is backward Arab fosseles capitalized and United States not? Your actions seems to be as irrational as your thoughts

:D

The so called photo mix up is no accident, this is corporate controlled media we are talking about ,all it takes is a word in the ear of their man on the news floor.

Che eto vse takoe ???? :crazy:

Perhaps we should nuke Iran, North Korea and Iraq, maybe then those gook freak muslims will respect us.

i need to know what a nuclear power plant looks like

good!henhao!

HORRRIBLE WEBSITE DOESNT EVEN SHOW A PHOTO :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

HORRRIBLE WEBSITE DOESNT EVEN SHOW A PHOTO :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

HORRRIBLE WEBSITE DOESNT EVEN SHOW A PHOTO :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

fuck you

Stupid hippies.

hi

Time to take out the state that sponsors more terrorism and is the root of more evil in this world than any other. Should have invaded Iran instead of Iraq. While sadam was bad, he was contained, Iran has been and continues to be TROUBLE. Lets take them out.

I dont like to use weapons but i think the thing americans have to do is use nucular force on oran because 40,000 suicide bombers is aot.