READER COMMENTS ON
"WaPo: 'Dizzying List of Electoral Problems' in 2004 Presidential Elections!"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Republicans are Fascists
said on 4/19/2005 @ 3:11 pm PT...
The way I see it, Jimmy Carter could have done much more for the subject of election fraud, e-voting fraud and election reform by totally boycotting this sham of a panel.
They are using him for one thing and one thing only and that's to have talking points of the panel being "bipartisan" and Carter having strong liberal roots. Heck, if Jimmy Carters was on the panel then any changes or lack there of to the election process must be fully legit, right?
I personally find it sickening Carter would even consider being part of this fraudfest without pushing to have John Conyers seated with him or to enter into the record Conyers 102 page report.
I think a new E-mail campaign should be directed at Carter. This time giving him hell for giving this bogus panel legitimacy.
I've mentioned this before but we truly need to think outside of the box and mobilize a movement that will force the e-voting fraud issue out to the people. It needs to be something that the corrupt corporate media can't ignore. Panels like this including Carter only hurt the issue not help.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 4/19/2005 @ 3:20 pm PT...
How DO we do it??
Come up with a 1 page flyer that says it straight out in a way that catches peoples' interest and go door to door, neighborhood after neighborhood, parking lot after parking lot ??? Surely we can think of something that will help.
The repukes have a network that does this very thing (only they lie.)
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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whodid
said on 4/19/2005 @ 4:20 pm PT...
The hearing aired on C-Span2, there will be 2 more hearings, I don't know the dates.
Baker spoke of federalizing elections.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/19/2005 @ 4:44 pm PT...
Carter is an old man. That's the only excuse I can make for him. He has allowed himself to be used as a pawn in a Rovian exercise in public relations, designed to bury the notion of electoral fraud in 2004 once and for all.
If this phony commission happens to come up with anything constructive, its purpose will be too deceive any open-minded person who might entertain suspicions about the election. And we can be sure Rove will have already contrived a way to get around it in time for the 2002 election.
Let's start paying no attention, immediately.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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Emily
said on 4/19/2005 @ 5:05 pm PT...
I agree with the first post. They're using Carter since a lot of democrats respect him and all that so they can say: "see? He trusts US!" It's just like how the Bush's use Clinton. That's what they're doing. Is there a way to make them hear Conyers, Arnebeck and Cobb and see their evidance?
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Nana
said on 4/19/2005 @ 5:51 pm PT...
Robert #4 I agree, I don't have the stomach for paying attention to them. But my concern is that they will offer this "evidence" to congress. Distort the facts, hide the fraud. I think the evidence Mr. Conyers compiled should go to Congress also.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Nana
said on 4/19/2005 @ 5:53 pm PT...
Mabe some e-mails should go to Congress?
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Nana
said on 4/19/2005 @ 5:55 pm PT...
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Bejammin075
said on 4/19/2005 @ 7:03 pm PT...
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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dixychik
said on 4/19/2005 @ 7:04 pm PT...
I started collecting articles on election fraud March 2003 here ... www.sweetliberty.blogspot.com
There are around 600 article summaries and links on it. And those are just the ones I could keep up with! I sort of gave up on it after the 2004 election disaster, but now have started collecting again (including lots from bradblog.com ... thanks Brad!) I don't think anybody knows it's there. Maybe the people who claim to have been deaf, dumb, and blind through rigged elections in 2000, 2002, and 2004, need to come on over and see the elephant in the room that they have been ignoring for over 4 years.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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A foreigner
said on 4/19/2005 @ 7:27 pm PT...
In reply to #1:
"The way I see it, Jimmy Carter could have done much more for the subject of election fraud, e-voting fraud and election reform by totally boycotting this sham of a panel. "
No, the best thing he could do is to sit halfway through the panel, and then (very publicly) leave in protest. By boycotting, he would just make it another panel, with another democratic statesman used as excuse. But by withdrawing, he can raise a whole lot more awareness of the sham and the issues.
Carter! Resign in protest!
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Savantster
said on 4/19/2005 @ 7:31 pm PT...
Well, I think we have to wait and see what turns up. I agree that it's not looking good, but we just don't know yet. Carter is "old school" and he's an old man.. he does things slower than "us" in our newfangled age of "gimme it now".
If there are 2 more sessions.. and the word is out that "no one brought out the 'hard' evidence", perhaps Carter is going to do it at one of the next meetings.. Perhaps he's swallowing the big nasty pill he has to swallow put up with this part of the shenanigans (sp) until he's ready to drop out the info?.. Hell, perhaps he's waiting to see if they are going to bring up the 'real' facts that Conyers told him about, and failing that, perhaps he's planning a "walk out in extraordinary fasion"..
One can only hope.. and wait..
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 4/19/2005 @ 7:37 pm PT...
Oh Sevanster #12! Cross our fingers tight!!
#11 A Foreigner - I like the idea of that Carter could walk out in protest. I like that a lot.
Republicans are Fascists #1: "I think a new E-mail campaign should be directed at Carter" --- Very good idea. Brad ?? Conyers ?? Any ideas?
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Nana
said on 4/19/2005 @ 7:43 pm PT...
You are right Savantster. And I hope Mr. Conyers kicks their butts when he meets with them.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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Savantster
said on 4/19/2005 @ 8:16 pm PT...
Gawd.. as if we didn't have enough to worry about with election issues.. Now DeLay comes and says things like "we can remove judges if they don't have good behavior.. and we mean to define what good behavior is".. riiiiiiiiiight.. like someone rebuked 3 times by the ethics comitte has ANY business talking about behavior?
must be a sick joke
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 4/19/2005 @ 8:31 pm PT...
Aw jeeeez! What happened to "Justice is Blind?" What a Rotten bunch delay & his band are.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 4/19/2005 @ 8:33 pm PT...
Sorry - I meant to include this quote with my #16 (from the article posted by Savanster #15.)
"Although Kennedy was appointed to the Supreme Court by President Reagan, a conservative icon, he has aroused conservatives' ire by sometimes agreeing with the court's more liberal members."
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 4/19/2005 @ 8:37 pm PT...
I find it totally disgusting that the Washington Post printed the article re: Electoral Problems on page 17. BURIED on pg. 17. The same way the article which showed evidence that Gore actually won in 2000 appeared buried in one of the papers a day or 2 before 9/11. Shows how much our papers really care about Democracy. SHAME on them.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 4/19/2005 @ 8:44 pm PT...
Unfortunately, people like Carter forget that it's not about him, Carter. It's about a fundamental, moral and legal issue - his statement "[W]e want to make sure that the electoral process has integrity --- that it is not shot through with fraud" - tells me he just doesn't understand what's going on...at all...because, (a) "We" the commission actually wants to bury the subject of election fraud (b) be my guest, and fill in the blank (c) etc. As usual, you can't rely on Carter. You must rely on yourselves and your own inspired ingenuity. Shake all the trees. Do anything and everything that will shake up the status quo.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Steve
said on 4/19/2005 @ 9:20 pm PT...
Kira #18-
At least the WaPo carried a story about the "Commission" (if you can call it that). My newspaper and those I can access on-line, except for the WaPo, didn't even mention the meeting!
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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bob
said on 4/20/2005 @ 5:11 am PT...
Carter like Baker/Bush/Kerry are all members of CFR (Council on Foriegn Relations) and the Trilateral Commission and the Bildenburg Group. These folks create institutions like World Bank and IMF to control economies around the world and in effect mandate the direction of the New World Order. A little so-called "democratic" election in a back-water to-be country like the USA can't stand in the way of PROGRESS. Please, Carter USES his image to fool the blue people into thinking the dog and pony show of left and right is legit. Just as Clinton has been on board for this movement since he created NAFTA and signed the FCC's 1996 ACT allowing media conglomerates to control the propoganda apparatus. We are fools... all of us. Have a nice day. bob - "won't get fooled again"
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/20/2005 @ 6:42 am PT...
I hope you're right, Savanster. But I'm not optimistic. Carter referred to Baker as his "second favorite Republican," which tells me he joined this charade in a sincere belief in its objectivity.
That's why I said he's an "old man." This is the same Jimmy Carter who was brave enough and savvy enough to see through Ferdinand Marcos and bring about his downfall even as Reagan was praising Marcos as a "wonderful friend." Carter isn't dumb, but I'm afraid he's become a passive elder statesman without the stomach for a battle. He's being used, plain and simple. What a damn shame.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Molly
said on 4/20/2005 @ 9:04 am PT...
#21, I'm with you ..don't trust Carter, that's why he was picked. Carter's administration ruined family farms. His buddies, big Ag. bought them up. When Howard Dean got Carter's psuedo endorsement in Iowa..his poll numbers dropped. A farm that has been in your family for generations, lost to corrupt govt. You don't forget.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/20/2005 @ 10:03 am PT...
The problem here, though, is that Carter is respected as an election monitor. That's why he was placed on this commission, to lend an appearance of bi-partisan competence to it. When Carter praised Baker as his "second-favorite Republican," (please don't ask who was #1) it was a real blow to our cause, because it further legitimized the commission itself. I'm sure even Karl Rove didn't expect that remark.
I respectfully suggest we ignore it for the time being, except for reminding Dr. Pastor about the Constitutional right to protest without being accused of harassment. When it's over, we can take issue with its specific findings.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Miss Persistent
said on 4/20/2005 @ 10:48 am PT...
Here are the various news reports that American University has linked to on their website regarding the commission meeting: link here
Articles Include:
April 19, 2005: Defects In 2004 Balloting Described: Panel Hears Pleas For Improvements
Brian Faler, The Washington Post
April 19, 2005: Commission Examines Problems at Presidential Polls
Pam Fessler, WAMU
April 19, 2005: Carter-Baker Commission Weighs More Changes to U.S. Elections
Laurence Arnold/Ken Fireman, Bloomberg
April 19, 2005: Carter, Baker: Parties Seek Vote Integrity
Will Lester, Associated Press
April 19,2005:Funding a top election-reform issue
Laurence Arnold, Detroit Free Press
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Miss Persistent
said on 4/20/2005 @ 10:58 am PT...
The vehicle was manufactured and the engine has turned. We just have to help keep the car on the right road and repair the faulty (aka cheap imitation) parts as necessary. If we buy the car that is.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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elac
said on 10/19/2005 @ 10:53 am PT...
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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fjdtjdh
said on 10/19/2005 @ 10:54 am PT...
you suck
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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fjdtjdh
said on 10/19/2005 @ 10:54 am PT...
you suck