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"An Open Thread for the 6 or 7 Squad..."
(88 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 11:20 am PT...
Yeah, I'm one of the "6 or 7"!!! Let's let 'em hear all about it! Let's give 'em 6 0r 7 gigahertz!!!
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 11:25 am PT...
Just wonder if Pastor has called Brad back and apologized for being a tool yet. Though, he might be having a hard time picking up the phone and getting dial-tone since so many people are calling to ensure him they aren't "6 or 7"..
I'd be curious to hear from him now..
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 11:36 am PT...
Well, right about now, hopefully, our champion John Conyers should be talking to anyone who will listen at the commission. Let's hope President Carter is not bamboozled by Baker and his stream of BS witnesses and speaks out the truth in a big way!
By the way, the Washington Times guys obviously did not get the memo that no one should be reporting any election irregularities--and I mean that literally. Could it be they didn't get the memo because the White House never considered this Republican bastion a threat?
For a great article by actor Peter Coyote about the media lockdown on election fraud, check out this:
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 11:48 am PT...
"Just wonder if Pastor has called Brad back and apologized for being a tool yet. Though, he might be having a hard time picking up the phone and getting dial-tone since so many people are calling to ensure him they aren't "6 or 7".."
Havent heard pastor yet. Maybe he's "JC" from the Art Bell show.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 11:58 am PT...
Why is it that the government controls the process that elects the government??
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/21/2005 @ 12:24 pm PT...
Right you are, VERYWORRIED. It's a case of the lunatics running the asylum, and having Baker as head of that commission is like a fox guarding a henhouse.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 12:32 pm PT...
FWIW, as far as I can tell, the Commission is funded by individual foundations, not by the government/ taxpayers. (Or maybe you were making a more general comment?)
All: AU has a web site for the Commission, and if you keep following buttons you will see who all of the members are, and then at the bottom of that page, see a link to academic advisors. The site also lists the names of the sponsoring foundations. You may be able to find email addresses for some of these = more contacts if you are feeling email-energetic.
I've been trying to think of some newsperson(s) to email with a link to the BB/Pastor exchange, for the sake of further positive visibility. Not someone like Olbermann. But someone who cares and can get it right. At first pass, Carl Bernstein came to mind. But, I couldn't find an email address for him. We need to use the "six degrees of separation" principle: someone who knows someone who knows... etc. (Or should that be "'6 or 7' degrees of separation"..? geddit?)
Looks like Pastor has "screwed the pooch". BTW, this is not blipable language. It just means f*d up big time.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 12:32 pm PT...
Here's a link to a great OpEd piece about Americans' puzzling acceptance of two major stolen elections. I guess Diane Perlman doesn't read many blogs (!); but she does make some excellent points.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 12:39 pm PT...
I was one of the "6 or 7" before, but I am now....and I send the lovely reverend a piece of mind stating so!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 1:08 pm PT...
sorry for the typos.....should have read...
I wasn't one of the "6 or 7" before, but I am now...and I sent the lovely reverend a piece of mind stating so!
need more coffee...
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 2:34 pm PT...
I love it! Our new identity.
Anyone remember the Chicago 7? Those beloved radicals from last century?
They are in f$#%^&g troubled waters if they think we are only 6 or 7. Talk about totally deluded, up the creek without their stolen Indian paddles, run for your life off the warpath cretins!
After them, men!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 2:39 pm PT...
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 2:49 pm PT...
PEGGY As they say great minds ....!
Linked to the same story in the previous BrainWash Times thread!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 2:49 pm PT...
Hi, Teresa! I am wo-man...can I join in the chase to squash the domestic terrorists?? They only HOPE it's just 6 or 7 people who are aware of what's happening.
Hi, everyone! And just because they are having Mr. Conyers speak, that doesn't mean they have any intention to LISTEN and make changes. They will just get sneakier, rather than the more recent "in your face" behaviour.
So, every time they give an inch, we must TAKE TEN MILES (or we will never get back to real democracy in America in this lifetime!)
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 2:55 pm PT...
I heartily agree with you, Woman! If anyone has been following the Dirty Tricksters since the '70s, they will agree with you, too. Turn up the light and the volume & take those TEN MILES!!
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 2:56 pm PT...
Hi, Bushw@cker! Sorry, I guess I miss a lot of information that gets posted...so much to read sometimes...but then, some things are worth repeating, right?
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 2:57 pm PT...
Absolutely, Peggy!! Yes, yes, yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Join up. I use men in the generic warrior sense, but all you Amazons will certainly help the cause.
I was born to disobey. I'm ready!!!!!!!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 3:00 pm PT...
Oh, and Peggy, I am headed for that fir tree up left where I will be waiting in ambush. If you could circle down and right and come in from that angle, I'll see who else we can get.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 3:20 pm PT...
The right?...not too comfortable there, but okay...that's where they will be hiding. I'll chase them your way - have the nets ready!
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 3:32 pm PT...
Hahahahahah! We're not afraid of the right!!!!!!
That's why they sent you specifically, Peggy. I'm ready. I've spent at least 5 years repairing the holes in the nets. And I've got a pouch of trail mix...I know, I know....please don't gag all you carnivores!
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 4:10 pm PT...
Don't forget the pretzels...very important!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 4:23 pm PT...
I LOVE PRETZELS!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 4:24 pm PT...
don't forget the 50 cal sniper rifles either
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 4:31 pm PT...
Haha! Y'all are so funneeeeee!! It's a party!
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
sojo (jus a member of the 6 or 7 squad, talkin $#@!
said on 4/21/2005 @ 4:41 pm PT...
The 6 or 7 Squad will whip the rePUGneCONS ass and anybody else who tries to taint our democracy.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 4:51 pm PT...
We are 6 of 7 resistance is futile ...
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 4:51 pm PT...
What reality are we in? Has virtual become real? Oh my god, am I excited. I truly hate the smell of blood, so the 6 or 7 squad will be whipping every ass through neural pathways.
Beat their frikken' brains. They are novices while we have been gaining our expertise all this time.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 4:52 pm PT...
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 4:58 pm PT...
Well, I am one of the 6 or 7. How are the rest of you? I have actually had a day where i got good news.
First, Zira sent me Jen's message about the election really being investigated posted elsewhere on this, one of my favorite sites.
Second, I had an actual job interview for an IT job. Amazing . . . have not had any good ones since the chimp took office orginally.
Third, all the great news on this site today. Are cracks forming?
and finally, I am so proud of Brad I could just burst. Bradster, love ya! Grats on getting Congressman Bell as a guest on your great radio show. I listened last saturday ? Yah I tried to call in but it was hard as hell to do so. . . really well done for a 'first " timer.
heheh okies enough from me. Its nice to have a good day in the Twilight Zone.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 5:02 pm PT...
sorry On the topic of pretzels I could not resist. I know I posted this on VR a while back, but for those who have not seen it.
WEEKEND AT BUSH'S
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 5:36 pm PT...
Dredd #26 LOLOLOL ROFLMAO!!!!
We are the Collective. We are 6 of 7. Resistance is futile ... prepare to be assimilated!
I love it! The 6 or 7 Squad!!
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 7:22 pm PT...
Dear Mighty BradBloggers, or should I say, 6 or 7 Squad,
It's been a long couple of weeks since I lit out of here with my hair on fire, ready to break ties with you over a disagreement, albeit an intense one. I still take the same positions I did then, but I want you all to know, though especially I want my Blood Brother Dredd to know, that if I offended him or anyone else with my strident defense of that position, it was never my intention to do so, nor am I an inherently violent person, although I will say here Dredd, that yes, I would *kill* anyone who layed a hand on my boy, or die trying.
Like all or most of you, I have been struggling with the frustration and anger I feel at what is happening to my country and the inability of the average lazy, self absorbed American citizen to wake the F up and do something, like all of you here are doing, and like I have been trying to do. When that dude, Rise Rise posted....well, it just fanned an already smoldering flame. A flame that I have carried inside me since I was a child when I marched with my kick ass Mother in the streets of New York against the Vietnam War. I grew up with *action*. I was surrounded, and still am surrounded with people of *action*. My Mother taught me to love, to use reason, to be compassionate, to give of myself, to cherish and nurture my children, to work hard, to seek justice in the world, and to play fair........but she also taught me that there are evil people in this world and sometimes, when all avenues and remedies are exhausted, that the only thing that evil and brutal people understand is *action, and protest, and civil disobedience, and sometimes, force.....in their face.
I will say only one more thing on this before I beg all of you to take my sorry ass back.......We haven't reached the point of no return *yet*, and I hope to The Great Spirit that it never comes to that.
Now.......I want you to know that I did send my e-mail to Dr. Pastor, and I did warn some folks in a diary at DKos about him and his connections to Common Cause and his position on the Carter/Baker (#%!?&??!!!) election commission before they went ahead and donated. So I have been checking in and carrying on along with you in my self imposed exile (ignorant dumbass hothead that I am), and I just wondered if, since you've gotten this far through this miserable exercise in suck-up-edness......do you think I can join or re-join your 6 or 7 Squad?
I humbly lay my fate in your wise hands.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 7:42 pm PT...
:) I've always liked you hon I must have missed the blow up, but I know sometimes i feel like screaming and tearing my hair out in big clumps. And there are times when I just start crying on a dime about how damn bad things are and about friends I have lost to this mess because I cannot give up my conviction or working toward making people aware.
I try to do little things, like send out my emails and sign all the petitions . . .speak at my state house about the voting crap and write and think about other projects I can do to make people more aware.
I don't know what happened but having read many of your other posts, I am glad you are here.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 7:42 pm PT...
We know that you never really left us. No apologies necessary. We absolutely need your heart, your passion and your intelligent words on this blog. Welcome back from your self-imposed exile. We all need to step back and take a few deep breaths every once in awhile before charging back into the fray.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 7:43 pm PT...
Hi again, Supersoling:
So nice to hear from you again.
When I wrote (here) that you would be more than welcome should you decide to return, I meant it! And anyone who disagrees with me on this one is gonna have to fight his way out of here!
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 7:59 pm PT...
I guess I didn't notice a "falling out." You're one of the (many) reasons I love this blog so much, and I'm certainly overjoyed that you're back!
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 8:10 pm PT...
Supersoling, you are the magic lucky number 7 in the 6 or 7 Squad!
The stress we've been under is enormous - I can relate and I'm sure everyone here can. As far as I'm concerned, you're cool!
I hope this is a safe place to be brothers & sisters!
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 8:21 pm PT...
Supersoling *grins and winks* Welcome back.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 8:27 pm PT...
Day-am, Momma! How I love you blogpatriots!!
I must confess I was not one of the original 6-or-7's
and I am jealous now! Haha! I humbly beg to be accepted into the fold, and I've finally finished my letter to Pastor. I write slow. I plan to send it snailmail as-is, unless you, whose opinion I greatly respect, tell me it sucks. My letter:
Dear Dr. Pastor,
I am compelled to write to you in an attempt to relieve you of your erroneous assumption
that all of the emails you recently received were sent by 6 or 7 people. I assure you, Dr.
Pastor, there are considerably more of us out here than that, and we are paying attention.
We were paying attention when Bev Harris sat at a computer with Howard Dean and
demonstrated how easy it is to hack the vote. (The video is on the internet. I suggest you
check it out. It's quite enlightening.)
We were paying attention when elected officials in this country displayed outrage over the
Ukraine election---where they had somewhere in the neighborhood of 11,000 complaints and
some discrepancies between the exit polls and the outcome.
We were paying attention when, during our own 2004 election, there seemed to be a little
problem with our exit polls, too---not to mention more than 57,000 complaints, among them
allegations of perjury and machine tampering.
We were paying attention when Congressman John Conyers Jr. held hearings in Washington
and Ohio at which numerous witnesses testified under oath concerning these allegations and
complaints. Congressman Conyers compiled 102 pages of evidence, material crucial, one
would think, to any serious investigation into the state of our electoral process.
Yet he was not invited to participate on your committee.
And on January 6th when Senator Barbara Boxer stood---the only senator to do so---with
Congresswoman Tubbs-Jones to contest Ohio's electoral votes, the handful of senators who
spoke "in support" of their effort were all careful to say that this was not about over-turning
the election. The election was over. This was about long lines and standing for hours in the
rain. They were careful to avoid any mention of "stolen elections", or "machine-tampering",
or "perjury"; careful not to mention "Clint Curtis"---have you even HEARD of him??---and
they were very, very careful not to utter the terrible F-word: "FRAUD". Heaven forfend!
This was America! How dare anyone even suggest such a blasphemy!
I remember that one of the things I heard more than once as repudiation of these allegations
was "Where's the proof?" It was outrageous that these leftist conspiracy-theorists were making
these absurd allegations without any proof!
Well, let me ask you a question, Dr. Pastor: if someone told you their wife or child had been
assaulted would you scoff at them and say "Assaulted? How absurd! Show me your proof!"?
Or would you---being, presumably, a reasonably rational person---realize that assaults do un-
fortunately happen in this world, and go to the proper authorities and demand that they in-
vestigate? Perhaps an assault actually took place; perhaps not. But, normally, the proof is
found AFTER YOU INVESTIGATE THE ALLEGATIONS, not before! Normally, people do not
fall all over themselves to discount such serious matters as soon as they come to light. Unless
the purpose is to distort, obfuscate, whitewash, cover-up.
From where I'm sitting it appears that there is a mountain of credible evidence lending credence
to the possibility that our entire election process has been compromised. Front-page news!
Stop the presses! But no. Our media has been virtually silent. There have been a few stories, but
little outrage. I don't find this baffling anymore. I do find it unconscionable. I do find it chilling.
I strongly suggest you read the article entitled "Fascism, Anyone?" by Laurence W. Britt. It is
also easily found on the internet, although, if you are as unfamiliar with the workings of mass
emailing as your conversation with Brad Friedman leads me to suspect, you may need help. Ask
your kids. Please pay particular attention to Mr. Britt's list of fourteen characteristics of fascism.
Among them: ..."Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism.....Disdain for the import-
ance of human rights.....A controlled mass media.....Religion and ruling elite tied together.....
Power of corporations protected.....Rampant cronyism and corruption....."
Number 14 is "Fraudulent elections".
Mr Britt asks: "Does any of this ring alarm bells? Of course not. After all, this is America,
officially a democracy with the rule of law, a constitution, a free press, honest elections, and a
well-informed public constantly being put on guard against evils....."
Right. By our ever-vigilant, free press.
As I said, Dr. Pastor, none of this baffles me anymore, and I think I can say with certainty that
none of it baffles those "6 or 7" who, I fervently hope, will continue deluging you with emails,
letters and faxes. We get it.
We just wish to God you did.
Ok, I guess that was a little snide telling him to ask the kids...
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 8:41 pm PT...
HOT BUTTERED DAY-AM MAMA! I love that letter!
We should compile all these letters into a book for the next generation or at least to keep in case that new email address is for a computer in a darkened room in the empty bowels of some basement - in a secure undisclosed location...
As for the snide remark re: ask the kids --- Pastor opened the floor on that one. Someone in his position cannot be ignorant of the mass email form letter petitioning going on, and if he is, he has no business being the Executive Director of an Election Reform Commission which is trying to install DREs across the board nationally.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 8:45 pm PT...
Hmm.. I must have missed something.. the last I saw from Supersoling was a talking about a boat and sailing.. then a pop in like 2 days ago, now this..
I guess ignorance -is- bliss in this case Just glad we've got everyone on board.. we need all the help/support we can get in these troubling times.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 8:54 pm PT...
Looks like GeorgyPorgy is sitting at home saying "Damn.. now the hired help is causing troubles.. " Poor Georgey
and the cracks in the damn get bigger and PorgeyPie looses more grip on his plan for world domination..
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 8:55 pm PT...
Joan very excellent letter. Very very well written. I am not sure what is the matter with these people.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 9:15 pm PT...
My correspondance with an "Academic Advisor" to the commission, Dr. McCoy from Georgia State and the Carter Center, was similar to the exchanges posted by Brad (with Dr. Pastor). I wrote to her, apparantly, just before Brad posted the link. I think maybe these guys don't understand how the Internet, live links, etc. work. They seem clueless on a few other things also...:
Wed 4/13/2005 8:15 PM
Dear Ms. McCoy:
As you are listed as an “Academic Advisor” for the Commission on Federal Election Reform at American University, I am forwarding some information and suggestions that I wish you might submit to President Carter. Although I would have imagined that such a commission would welcome input from all concerned citizens, I have been very discouraged in my attempts to contact the appropriate person to receive this material, on behalf of President Carter.
When I called the Carter Center, two different representatives told me that the Center was not involved in the Blue Ribbon Commission (despite information to the contrary on the website at American University, which lists the Commission as being “in association with” the Carter Center). Ms. Lauren Gay, identified by the Carter Center as an assistant to President Carter, told me that I might send information to her. I did this yesterday, via registered overnight U.S. mail, but when I called to verify that she had received it, Ms. Gay seemed at a loss as to what should be done with it, and called the American University. A representative for the Commission there subsequently called me and told me to forward everything to Dr. Robert Pastor, “Executive Director” of the Commission.
I actually did not wish to have my information, although it is nothing that is not publicly available, filtered through the good offices of Dr. Pastor, so I am sending it to you, for Mr. Carter.
Material which I thought might be useful to President Carter includes:
· Ohio’s Odd Numbers, an article by Christopher Hitchens (attached above) published Feb. 20, 2005 in Vanity Fair: This is a well-written, mainstream press piece giving background on not only the obvious problems in Ohio (long lines in minority precincts, selective paucity of voting machines), but documenting VERY SUSPICIOUS tallies in certain predominantly black counties. I believe, as do many others, that these are not isolated “glitches,” but a peek at the visible results of largely hidden electronic fraud.
· Analysis of the 2004 Presidential Election Exit Poll Discrepancies, released March 31, 2005 (updated April 11, 2005) : a multi-author, peer-reviewed study of the Edison/Mitofsky Election System 2004 Report (released January 19, 2005). This study was backed by the Utah-based non-profit corporation, US Count Votes. Their concluding sentence reads: “The absence of any statistically-plausible explanation for the discrepancy between Edison/Mitofsky’s exit poll data and the official presidential vote tally is an unanswered question of vital national importance that demands a thorough and unblinking investigation.”
http://electionarchive.o...004_Edison-Mitofsky.pdf: this is the link to this report.
Congressman John Conyers wrote yesterday: “In my view, the trump card in this debate was recently handed down by US Count Votes in a new study (warning: big PDF file) that finds the chances of the official reported results of the 2004 election being accurate in light of this poll data is one million to one. One million to one. Case closed.” Rep. John Conyers, writing on his Blog, Tues. April 5, 2005. For full text see: http://www.conyersblog.us/
· A fact sheet prepared by Judith Alter, Ed.D, titled “Santa Fe County: 2004 Election and the Straight Party Option.” Dr. Alter’s data suggests that machine-tallied votes in this county may have been erroneous because machines were calibrated to tally straight party votes in a way that significantly benefited Mr. Bush. (Not available online: I mailed it to President Carter’s assistant, Lauren Gay, at the Carter Center)
· A Fact Sheet presented by Bernard Windham, a member of Common Cause from Florida, who has undertaken a heroic analysis of the thousands of specific complaints made by voters from around the country to the EIRS election day Hotline. This link, http://www.flcv.com/summary.html, will open a file containing links to state by state complaints. (I mailed the Fact Sheet to Ms. Gay at the Carter Center).
· A troubling PRESS RELEASE from Mr. Brad Friedman http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001316.htm titled: American Center for Voting Rights & the Baker/Carter Commission on Federal election Reform: The Fix Is In. This report details the problems with a “voting rights” group, one of whose founding members, Mark F. (Thor) Hearne, II, was “the National Attorney for Bush/Cheney '04 Inc. and leader of the recently invented, phony GOP front group calling themselves the "non-partisan" American Center for Voting Rights (ACVR) has been seated on the Academic Advisory board for this commission!”. Please bring this to President Carter’s attention.
· A fact sheet (“North Carolina’s ballot blues”) from Joyce McCloy, coordinator of the N.C. Coalition for Verified Voting, a non-partisan organization of citizens from across the state who are very concerned that North Carolina is moving forward in with the implementation of DRE's (electronic voting machines) that are not secure, not reliable and not voter verifiable. They call for improved security and increased transparency in all election systems used in North Carolina. www.ncvoter.net (I mailed this Fact Sheet to Ms. Gay at the Carter Canter.)
· A fact sheet from The Open Voting Consortium, a not-for-profit organization dedicated to developing open voting systems. The fact sheet is called “Transparent Liberty: Accountable Election Systems.” (I sent this fact sheet to Ms. Gay) http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/ . On their website you will find the an academic article titled A PC-Based Open-Source Voting Machine with an Accessible Voter-Verifiable Paper Ballot (with Arthur M. Keller, Alan Dechert & Karl Auerbach (http://gnosis.cx/publish/voting/electronic-voting-machine.pdf), a compilation of recommendations resulting from 4 years of work by this organization.
· A document posted on the website of the non-partisan voters’ rights organization Voters Unite .org (http://www.votersunite.org/), titled “Restoring Confidence to Voters.” This is a report from the Independent Election Committee appointed by the Mercer County Board of Commissioners documenting voting problems from Nov. 2004 in Mercer County, Pennsylvania.
· An “Official Ohio Recount Affidavit” from Dr. Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D., professor at the University of Oregon, in which he documents his own exhaustive research into election fraud in Ohio. (I heard Dr. Phillips speak at the Nashville Conference, and he was very thorough and convincing. The “Affidavit” can be found at: http://www.scoop.co.nz/s...12/S00167.htm?mode=print
I could provide you and President Carter with much more documentation of the selfless efforts of these and other real citizen-patriots. Many have long worked toward President Carter’s stated goal for the Blue Ribbon Election Commission: an election system that “will make America proud again.” Their information should be publicly noted and they should be invited to testify at American University on April 18, 2005.
I, personally, believe, as do many others, that Mr. Baker can not be an “honest broker,” and has an obvious conflict of interest as Co-Chair of this commission.
Below are websites of a FEW of the many legitimate voting rights/election reform organizations that I believe could be contacted for valuable testimony to the Commission:
Sheila Leavitt, M.D.
60 Parkway Road
Newton, Massachusetts 02460
From: Jennifer L. McCoy [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: Blue Ribbon Election Reform Commission
** High Priority **
Thank you. I will get the information to President Carter.
Georgia State University and The Carter Center
Associate Professor of Political Science
1037 General Classroom Bldg
Georgia State University
Atlanta, GA 30303
Director, Americas Program
The Carter Center
Atlanta, GA 30307
Fri 4/15/2005 9:46 AM
Thank you very much! Good luck on Mon.
From: Jennifer L. McCoy [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: Carter/Baker Commission
** High Priority **
I am really upset that you have apparently provided my personal email to a mass mailing through Velvet Revolution. Please remedy this situation immediately. If you wish to write to President Carter, write to email@example.com. If you wish to write to the Election Commission, it's secretariat is firstname.lastname@example.org.
Fri 4/15/2005 11:16 PM
Dear Ms. McCoy:
I did not (knowingly) provide your email to the Velvet Revolution or anyone else. Your email is freely available to all, the same way I obtained it, which was from your contact information provided by your university. If you do not wish to be a public figure, you should not lend your name to public commissions such as the Carter/Baker Commission on Federal
Election Reform. If you do, you should expect to hear from concerned citizens.
Sheila Leavitt, M.D.
From: Jennifer L. McCoy [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Carter/Baker Commission
** High Priority **
Please write to your network and ask them to stop sending me emails!
And remove my email from wherever you have posted it.
As I said in my last email, I did not provide your name to a "network." YOU provided your name to American University, which listed it on their website. If you click on your name in the live link below, I believe you will see that your email address is listed below your impressive bona fides, right next to your (two) phone numbers and your FAX. This is, of course, also how I obtained it (I’m a physician, not a magician).
I suggest that if you want to avoid the heat, you stay out of the kitchen. Many people are quite perturbed by what they perceive to be the subversion of their democracy by the major political parties, both Republican, and, as I am coming to feel more and more, the Democratic.
If you lend your good name to a panel co-chaired by one of the major players in the Florida debacle of 2000, you might expect to get a few terse messages in your inbox. Just my opinion.
Sheila Leavitt, M.D.
Robert A. Pastor, Director, Center for Democracy and Election Management, American University
Douglas Chapin, Electionline.org
Daniel Calingaert, Associate Director, Center for Democracy and Election Management, American University
Alan Abramowitz, Professor, Department of Political Science, Emory University
Michael Alvarez, Professor, Department of Political Science, California Institute of Technology
Charles S. Bullock, III, Professor, Department of Political Science, University of Georgia
Steve Carbo, Director of the Democracy Program, DEMOS
Karen O'Connor, Professor, School of Public Affairs, American University
Jim Dickson, Vice President, American Association of People with Disabilities
Ned Foley, Professor, Moritz College of Law, Ohio State University
Curtis Gans, Director, Center for the Study of the Electorate
Mark Hansen, Dean, Social Sciences Division, University of Chicago
Richard Hasen, Editor, Election Law Journal
Thor Hearne, Attorney, Lathrop and Gage
Paul Herrnson, Center for the Study of Government, University of Maryland
David King, Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University
R. Doug Lewis, Executive Director, The Election Center
Allan Lichtman, Professor, Department of History, American University
Daniel Lowenstein, Editor, Election Law Journal
David Lublin, Associate Professor, School of International Service, American University
Thomas Mann, Senior Fellow, Brookings Institution
Jennifer McCoy, The Carter Center
Robert Montjoy, Professor, College of Urban and Public Affairs, University of New Orleans
Norman Ornstein, Resident Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
Spencer Overton, Associate Professor, George Washington University Law School
Barbara Palmer, Women & Politics Institute, American University
Trevor Potter, Attorney, Caplin & Drysdale
Cameron Quinn, U.S. Elections Advisor, International Foundation for Elections Systems
Miles Rappaport, President, DEMOS
Jamin Raskin, Professor, Washington College of Law, American University
Rob Richie, Executive Director, Center for Voting and Democracy
John Samples, Director, Center for Representative Government, CATO Institute
Michael D. Siegel, Senior Lecturer and Principal Research Scientist, Sloan School of Management, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Leonard Shambon, Attorney, Wilmer, Cutler, Pickering
Richard G. Smolka, Editor, Election Administration Reports
Robert Stein, Dean of Social Sciences, Professor of Political Science, Rice University
James Thurber, Professor, School of Public Affairs, American University
Dan Tokaji, Assistant Professor, Moritz College of Law, Ohio State University
Dan Wallach, Department of Computer Science, Rice University
Tova Wang, Democracy Fellow, The Century Foundation
From: Jennifer L. McCoy [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: Federal Election Reform Commission: FOR PRESIDENT CARTER
** High Priority **
Dear Ms. Leavitt,
Thank you for the materials. But please do not post my email to receive mass letters. My mailbox is flooded with letters about Baker on the Commission. I am just an academic on the advisory board and have no role in the Commission itself. The person organizing the Commission is Robert Pastor at American University. I would very much appreciate not receiving mass emails.
What I said before. Ditto.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 9:18 pm PT...
Joan (#39) I heartily agree with jpentz (#43).
There have been a large number of very good letters posted here in the last few days and yours is certainly one of them. You may write slowly but you have done very well!
I say send it! It certainly doesn't suck.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 10:03 pm PT...
Absolutely great letter! You would be remiss not to send it.
Extremely impressive work on your behalf. Thanks for all your efforts. Maybe some of it will get through to this commission yet. If not, we will just have to keep pounding on the door til we knock it down!
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
Teresa, captain with the 6 or 7
said on 4/21/2005 @ 10:05 pm PT...
Supersoling, consider your sorry ass back!
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 10:31 pm PT...
re #44: Good work, Sheila! Thanks for sharing it with us here.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 4/21/2005 @ 11:27 pm PT...
Sheila, I'm in awe! Great work. Maybe we should send your collection to Senator Kerry.
It blows my mind to learn how many of our government officials have not read some of this very important research.
For instance (according to a forum poster at Democratic Underground) on 4/20/05, Howard Dean spoke on Election Reform in Minneapolis and during the Q/A session was asked if he had read John Conyer's report. Dean's answer was "no."
WHY NOT??? And he was speaking on Election Reform ???!!! Am I missing something?
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
teresa of the 6 or 7 squad
said on 4/22/2005 @ 2:00 am PT...
The world's first test tube gorilla has just been born.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 2:58 am PT...
It's good to see that his is snowballing.
Dr. Leavitt #44 - Excellent work Dr. To me, it seems that poor Ms. McCoy is out of her depth. I suspect that most of the *advisors* were signed up simple for credibility, and were not expected, or expecting, to actually do any work!
I also suspect that they BADLY underestimated the enormity of the task, and the feelings of "We the people" about this issue. I think they are having a very LARGE wake up call! They were probably persuaded by Baker and his cronies that the Commission would be "a walk in the park"! Looks like they realize it's rapidly becoming a hike in the mountains.
Well done all!
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 3:28 am PT...
Sheila Wow , another noteworthy "node" on the "network".
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 5:11 am PT...
ha,ha,ha,loving it Sheila,great job.we are getting there.keep up the good work.
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 6:22 am PT...
Great job Sheila! I just had to say that.
Reading your correspondence to the clueless "Advisor" made me smile.
Keep up the good work everyone.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 6:33 am PT...
I am one of 6 or 7.
Prepare to be counted.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 6:34 am PT...
OT Alert for an open thread...
There's a commercial on the radio now for Jerry's Subs that's pretty funny. Let's just say Bush's voice has been added to the old Clinton parody and there is some concern about "a full deck." If Jerry's is nationwide - we should let him know they are fully supported.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 6:35 am PT...
LOL, Sheila! Ms. McCoy seems just a mite dim...three requests asking you not to post her email after you expained that you hadn't!...and this leads me to suspect, not for the first time, that our missives go largely unread. *sigh*
Reminds me of an old Smothers Brothers' bit...Tommy talking about how the country is divided up into those that don't have alot of clothes to put on...the "Less-ons", and the big-shots who have alot of clothes...So who's running the country? The "More-ons!"
Thank you, Sheila, my hat is off to you for sending off all that information. Great great job!!!
Many thanks to those of you that responded to my letter (ahhh, validation! hahaha...it feels so good, I gotta admit)
Now if only he would read a few of them! A few from what I hope is a goddamn growing MOUNTAIN!
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 7:21 am PT...
Supersoling #32 WE, including you, are the BLOG, resistance is futile ...
WE are 6 OF 7, resistance is futile, we are the BLOG ...
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 7:34 am PT...
Dredd #60 - *LMAO* You nut!
I love it when "Hue" post!
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 7:37 am PT...
Re: letters - David Dill was the only one who answered any of MY emails (I sent him a thanks)
I feel so..so..wallflowerish!
(Somebody post the crying icon for me, please? I don't know how to do that)
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 7:48 am PT...
Re Kira's (#49) suggestion: "Maybe we should send your collection to Senator Kerry. " Kira: I have done this. I have also sent much of it to my representative, Barney Frank (D-MA); to Mr. Seymour Hersh, great investigative reporter for the New Yorker, who said when he called me back that the story has not been written because it is "too big"; to Jane Mayer, another wonderful New Yorker writer, of the series "Outsourcing Torture", from whom I received no reply; to the dynamic and hard-working Congresswoman from GA, Rep. Cynthia McKinney (for forwarding to President Carter); to the editor of the Boston Globe, Mr. Marty Barron, whose last email to me ended: "I think we have no more to say to each other"; and on. And on. But, of course, there is no media blackout.
I drive around Boston and suburbs with a lifesized Uncle Sam (deceased) in a flag-draped coffin ("1776-2000: RIP") on top of my car, and a rotating roster of bumper stickers, which I make on my computer and Kinko's laminates. I have the "Those who cast the votes decide nothing...etc" next to "Committed to delivering Ohio's electoral votes to the President": Wally O'Dell, CEO Diebold Voting machines" and the website for uscountvotes.org, a fine organization (GO KATHY et al!). Today I stuck on "Is that a well-informed finger?" just to confuse the guys in trucks. On the coffin it now reads: "Think Bush was elected? Wanna buy a bridge? Democracyland, USA"
Won't you join me? It is a great conversation-starter: my price of admission for people who ask the question ("What is it??") is a handout (mine) with lots of the info I sent to Carter, et al, and links to many informative websites, including, of course, BRAD'S.
Anyone who has a refrigerator box, some black and white glossy latex paint, and some elmer's glue can do it. I will send simple 10 -step directions and photos. If we're going to be our own media, we need to ADVERTISE!!
Everyone has his or her own medium: mine is cardboard (I think my Sam-mobile is posted at the freewayblogger website).
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 8:02 am PT...
Sheila, Woman, what a HERO you are! A true American Patriot. Your idea to advertise is magnificent! Thank you so much for landing here at Bradblog!
(Watch out, you may get assimilated, you are surely aware that WE are 6 of 7 ... WE are the BLOG!)
PS The uninformed finger sticker is too funnee! haha!
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 8:04 am PT...
Sheila - meant to say that I'll have to make a trip to Kinko's so I can make up some info packages & bumper stickers. Great ideas.
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 11:17 am PT...
We are 6 of 7...We are the BLOG!
As I said before, but a repeat is in order:
We are so few
'They' are so many
It is not fair!
But, still, we should have pity for 'them'?
A question of the 2004 I do not see being asked is this:
With all the failures of the unelected ( yr 2000)
1. lies to bring us into an illegal war
2. Reversal of the projected surplus to a deficit
3. massive campaign for Anybody but bush
4. And all the rest- TNTC
What is the explanation of a bush victory? And by
almost a 20% voter increase? A Monumental Improbability if not Impossiblity!
This was a Rove gift to bush's already overstressed ego. More votes ever, margin of victory-thanks to a closing reversal shift of milions of votes, hah.
Bull crap! We know 'they' stole it and 'they' know we know!
The 'explanation' will come from this 'commisssion' after a lot of huff and puff, but it is already prewritten and like all the actions of this mob it is "Bogus".
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 11:26 am PT...
OFF-TOPIC.BUT...Im so happy I cant stand it!!!! I live in East Tennesee,&shrub was supposed to do an Earth Day photo op here.After a week of dread,the weather suddenly changed,with high winds,rain&hail...so George The Lesser cancelled at the last minute.asI write these lines,the skies are clearing and the birds are singing...HAH!!! guessI'll save the poster I made(BU$H,WE DON"T HAVE ANY OIL,AND NO, YOU CANNOT HAVE THE TIMBER)and go pick up some trash in honuor of my Goddess,who defended herself (and us)from this invasion.It's a butiful day!!!
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 11:34 am PT...
Re: #63 Sheila
Is this your car?
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 12:04 pm PT...
Superb, impassioned statement. This network here is incredible. We might, just might, be able to change the world.
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 12:09 pm PT...
Awesome compilation. THANK you.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 12:17 pm PT...
And we're not sending troops to Burma ?
Oh.. wait.. they don't have oil..
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 2:13 pm PT...
That is absolutely wonderful!!!
What a glorious day! the forces are with us, as I always thought.
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 2:16 pm PT...
Were you on Randi Rhodes a while back? If so, that was a spirited and wonderful exchange.
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 3:04 pm PT...
Off Topic perhaps, but this is an Open Thread--
If it has not been mentioned, we are comming up on the 90th year Anniversary of the Armenian genocide at the hands of the Ottoman Turk.
The 20th Century's introduction to State organized mass killing and still never admitted to by the Turks, the bushmob ally. This was the 'roadmap' to later attrocities by the Nazies, by Stalin, and by us.
The old saying 'There's nothing new under the sun' gives the Turks a little slack, but was the start of the 20th Century and the age of industrialisation not to be a time for modern enlightenment?
And here we are in the 21st with our little george and his stifled intellect doing the same old same old.
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 3:25 pm PT...
Yes, that is the Sam-mobile. Anybody want to join the parade?
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 7:37 pm PT...
Sheila, Apart from anything else, one comment in the McCoy replies struck me as particularly absurd: she claims that it is her private email address! Well, screw that! It is her public email address, and inasmuch as she is at GSU, a public university in the state of Georgia, her email address is not private. It is paid for by the citizens of Georgia, including myself. If she wishes to get GSU strokes and kudos and credit for being an academic advisor to the Committee, and have GSU pay for her PUBLIC email then she also has a responsibility to accept PUBLIC communication via that channel.
I suggest that you copy your correspondence to the Chair of her department, and to the President of GSU, and to anyone else you can think of. Noblesse oblige-- "nobility (aka Ivory Tower) obliges" --that with wealth, POWER and PRESTIGE come responsibilities.
In case any of you missed it, McCoy's email address is: email@example.com
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 8:08 pm PT...
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 8:17 pm PT...
Hello ValleyGirl - I'm a Georgian, too.
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 8:33 pm PT...
The Georgia connection is all this mess keeps popping out! I keep trying to find some way to help. I sent an email to the editor of this API site http://www.cyberjournali...news/002226.php#comments
with reasons for including the BB on the site. MSM I know, but maybe every little bit helps. I'm still very much a newbie at these things! I admire Sheila for her incredible work (all of you too, of course)
If you click on the "written and published by.. " link that gets to an email form... also
BradBlog deserves hugely wide attention.
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 8:46 pm PT...
Hi, Peg C. Incredibly disgusting, isn't it? These "religious" people are lunatics! :O
They have turned me off completely and permanently from organized religion! If their God exists, I really wish he'd do something constructive with them!
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 8:56 pm PT...
I tend to agree (Peggy at #78).. though, this brings up good points ..
Not all bad there
Just so sad that the zelots and fanatics are causing problems for the rest of the religious types. I've always been a strong supporter of "freedom of religion", but that also, necessarily, means "fredom FROM religion".. *shrug*
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 9:25 pm PT...
I don't have time tonight to chat - but we have a serious problem in GA with Cathy Blackwell Cox and Meg Smothers the head of GA League of Women Voters.
Smothers has been an important ally for Cox in defending the state's voting system. Smothers lobbied to defeat a bill this year (2005) that would have required Cox to outfit every voting machine with a printed receipt.
Have you been to this site? Count Paper Ballots
They really need some help designing their web page! But if you can navigate it, they have some interesting information regarding the FOIA requests for 2004 election data. I think if you donate you can see more of what they have collected. I need to donate to them - it's dispicable that some states/precincts are charging outlandish fees for gathering this data.
Among a laundry list of other things, Cox is refusing to provide a copy of CD data from the election (Diebold machine data) on the grounds that it might threaten our national security and aid a terrorist attack. ??? !!! ??? I don't know, you tell me. It sounds more and more like a ring of thieves.
Gotta go - y'all save the world! The 6 or 7 Brigade is on the March!
Peg C. thanks for posting the link to the LA Times.
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 9:33 pm PT...
Woops - my count paper ballots link didn't work.(post #80) Sorry.
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 10:12 pm PT...
Thanks for the quick education. As I said, I am a newbie! I will check out the site. Is there any viable pressure point in Ga politics re: this issue? Looks like the Rips have a lock on the state. VG
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]
said on 4/22/2005 @ 11:29 pm PT...
G'night, everyone. You're all dear to me.
COMMENT #84 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/23/2005 @ 1:34 am PT...
My daughter and I construct crossword puzzles. One I'm about to submit for publication contains the following message, under the heading "Yogi Might Have Said It."
I'll let everyone know if it gets published.
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]
said on 4/23/2005 @ 7:20 am PT...
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
said on 4/23/2005 @ 12:27 pm PT...
Enjoyed reading all y'all's comments. I'm a 6 or 7 squad wannabe. Didn't know about the 6 or 7 squad till just now. So I guess I'm with a new squad. The 8 or 9 Squad?
I just sent Dr. Pastor (or is he Pastor Dr.? No, I guess that's Bill Frist...) this e.
What a ridiculous excuse for a hearing on election reform. Y'all rigged even that! Baker to head it up? Baker? Is this the "fair and balanced" we hear so much about? Surely there is somebody who was not actively involved in making sure votes were not counted in a national election to take the Republican slot. Somebody who could match Jimmy Carter's legitimacy.
I was at the conference in Nashville, the NATIONAL ELECTION REFORM CONFERENCE. It was held on April 8th, 9th and 10th.
There were lots of people who contributed factual evidence to the group. Why were none of them heard by your commission?
Something stinks in the '04 election. Y'all are not hearing from the people.
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 1:46 am PT...
An interesting story in the Brainwash Times about a Harris Interactive survey on the reach Web Logs.
COMMENT #88 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 3:58 am PT...
While BradBloggers are all at 6's and 7's over the GOP's Baker/Carter Commission, the GOP has enlivened yet another Free Speech Group calling themselves The Denver Three.