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"Gannon-Guckert/Secret Service Docs Reveal Odd White House Comings and Goings..."
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 5:23 pm PT...
Larisa Alexandrovna (Deputy Managing Editor) of Raw Story has asked everyone to help get the story out so it won't be lost in Monday's rush of news.
This story is important, lets all pitch in and get it out into the light before morning. Send emails, faxes, make phone calls, lick stamps, blog it, and keep making noise..!
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 6:40 pm PT...
Woooo - oooo! Torqued. Thanks for posting THIS link!
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 6:55 pm PT...
Thanks for informing us about this "story". I enjoyed reading it, and really enjoyed the comments at the end of the Raw Story article. I do think it's important to find out what he was doing all those hours before the briefings. Where do people go? Is there a lounge? Surely, they can't just wonder around? Just how many hours can one just "wonder around" or sit in a lounge at the W.H. before the S.S. wonders what the hell you are up to? What at the names of the people who stayed overnight at the W.H. on the same nights as GG? So much for HOMELAND SECURITY. WHAT A JOKE!!! But then, the Bushites have made a farce of absolutely everything, including the good name of America, ever since they forced their way thru the door of the W.H. When are these dangerous fools going to be busted????
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 7:04 pm PT...
This is wildly OT; please forgive me. But I just came across the most blazing, blistering, rage-and-anguish-filled article on BushCo warmongering. IMO, it's a must-read.
Now...back to GG and his mysterious WH access.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
get the story out
said on 4/24/2005 @ 7:17 pm PT...
I emailed a link to the story also with credit to BB to Dan Froomkin at the WaPo.
From his page:
Every weekday morning I scour the Internet to bring you the most interesting White House-related items from newspaper, magazine and broadcast Web sites, weblogs and more.....
I thrive on reader feedback, especially when it includes items I should link to and suggestions about format and content. E-mail me often, at firstname.lastname@example.org, or call me at (703) 469-3116.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 7:40 pm PT...
Thank you, Peg C. It's so disturbing...(sigh)
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 7:48 pm PT...
Peg C - It seems we need to educate the children ASAP about this topic, so they can stand up to the military recruiters when they come to the schools. The role of parents (parent figures, role models, teachers) is to teach their children so their children can survive and thrive in this world. This article should be supplied to every teenager in America, Britain and the world! How can it be distributed IN every high school in America? Is there a list on some website of all the highschools? Would it be broken down by state and city? But don't rely strictly on the parents and teachers. Go straight to the kids!
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 7:55 pm PT...
I guess the only mystery here is if Rove is gonna come out of the closet, or if he's gonna wait for someone to 'out' him.
And the Whitehouse still hasn't stated what their 'position' on Gannon/Guckert is.
Okay, apologies for the joke, but I couldn't help myself. I'm sure the Whitehouse is 'on top' of the situation and will get to the 'bottom' of this.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 8:16 pm PT...
But . . .but what if it's not Karl Rove? What if the Chimp Lord rolled over one night, looked at his wife and suddenly realized after two kids . . . . .
I am SO sorry . . no, I'm not. I had to say it
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 8:36 pm PT...
So thanks to Gan/Guk it's non stop Party Time at the WH--way to bring back Honor and Dick-naty.
Maybe we can cross check and get an idea of who was or was not on 'vacation' on key dates.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 8:39 pm PT...
Great news about this. Lots of stuff to work with. I too wonder what he was doing and why didn't he log in and out on certain times? I read in the story he had a lot of access that other people didn't. There's lots of stuff to work with and who knows what could happen with this story. I still think there's some ties with the Bush family somewhere down the line. I remember reading in one of the DU threads on Gannon/Guckert that he was in Texas once and McClellan was rumored to be seen in gay bars. Any way to find out about this and if it's true? Also GOPUSA is based out of Texas is it not? Their job was to hype up and promote Bush in a very positive light so anybody could've gotten him there whether it be Rove, Poppy, Cheney or who knows. I'm glad to see this story still going on. Anybody seen the new Alex Jones investigation tape of General Griggs' wife telling about male prostiute's in the military circle? If you haven't you should. I don't know if it has anything in there that could apply to the Guckert situation but who knows. Oh and also notice he lied about the name he gave for his "job." He said on one of the interviews he did that he gave them the name "Jeff Gannon" because it was easier to say but according to the Raw story article he gave them "James Guckert." So why would he lie about that? I think he is hiding something and he doesn't want people to look into it. I've also noticed he has disappeared now. He was still popping up here and there but now not at all. So I don't know.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 8:59 pm PT...
LOL, no apologies necessary. I was "thinking" it too.
This must be big, trolls are going crazy at Raw Story.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 9:07 pm PT...
No, he was on CNBC couple of days ago, with that evil grin, saying over and over that he is not little Johnny G. Reporter asked for DNA sample, he was evasive in his answer to that. He is a creep. And he LOVES attention.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 9:17 pm PT...
He does love attention. I remember hearing about that but wasn't sure when that was. He seems to be silent now. Does he still update his website? I read on DU the people over at FR are going nuts. Not everybody but some people. Someone at DU also noticed that he was at the White House on at least three Sunday's. Why would he be there on a Sunday? Reporters only are there during the week right?
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 9:20 pm PT...
GG is just dying to tell us!!!! Ask him to give us some little HINTS as to WHOM he was "visiting"! Pllleeeaaassse, GG! Just some small little, little hints. WHAT GG DID WAS NOT A CRIME. Won't he tell????? He just keeps us hanging on...OOOHHHHH! Come on, GG. Give HIM up. Plleeeaaasee! GG will go down in history as bringing down a President's Administration!!!! Lots of books, and a movie, GG. GG's not stupid!! (Am I sick or what!) (Ha, Ha, Ha)
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 10:09 pm PT...
I've been reading the comments section at the Raw Story and having a good chuckle. I'm placing my bet on "Dick" Cheney as GG's partner in love-making!
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 10:12 pm PT...
I think someone should see what the bets are on that Irish futures exchange...they seemed to know who would "win" the 2004 election when the polls didn't. Think they know who GG's partner is??
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 10:30 pm PT...
I don't knoew about all this speck-ulation. The beam that I spotted in the collective GOP eye was the link to Laura. One of the enablers of GG was her press liason.
Are we perhaps seeing evidence of a late-fifties desperation gambit - a menage a trois?
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 10:53 pm PT...
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 11:07 pm PT...
Another raging OT, this one an e-mail:
"Kelley Beaucar Vlahos writes for Fox News: "The unceremonious ouster of three people from a recent White House Social Security event in Colorado has critics wondering how far President Bush will go to ensure friendly, sympathetic audiences at his town hall-style forums and rallies." Vlahos got White House spokesman Trent Duffy to speak at some length on the issue. "There is an active campaign underway to try and disrupt and disturb his events in hopes of undermining his objective of fixing Social Security," Duffy told her. "If there is evidence there are people planning to disrupt the president at an event, then they have the right to exclude those people from those events." Vlahos writes: "Duffy said the White House sends advance teams to deal with logistics for any official event. These teams typically handle the screening for speakers and audience members who will be sitting with or addressing the president during the event. They also keep an eye on t he crowds for possible troublemakers. "He said he did not have further information on the Denver incident, but 'from what I was told it was fairly obvious to them that they had plans to disrupt the event. ... It was a judgment call."
So is Duffy admitting that the person who ejected the "Denver Three" was operating under White House orders? That would be news."
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 11:23 pm PT...
How do they know though? Just because of a bumper sticker doesn't prove anything. This is supposed to be a town hall OPEN event for people who want to come and hear him speak. They have no right at all to keep people out. Especially if tax payer's money are going into the renting of the place etc. It's their right to be there just as much as anybody else. Plus Bush is putting up a false picture that people are going with his plan when nobody is. This is such an arrogant jerk.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 11:32 pm PT...
Peg C #4 --
Thanks for sharing the DU story link! Winter Patriot has a great story: Read 'Em And Weep on the same dirty little (DU) secret. Both are fine articles and the referenced links within left me exploding with rage!
I can't think of any one group or persons, throughout the history of mankind, more hideous and disgusting, than our own inhuman people in power this very moment. What the FUCK is the matter with the average American citizen allowing this?
This shit has got to stop NOW!!! These people have got to be stopped NOW!!! WAKE THE FUCK UP AMERICA!!!
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 11:36 pm PT...
Great work Brad and Raw Story (and of course, Rep. Slaughter and Rep Conyers)!
I made a comment at Raw Story about this:
It is very interesting that this could happen in light of the US Secret Service Mission Statement:
The United States Secret Service is mandated by statute and executive order to carry out two significant missions: protection and criminal investigations. The Secret Service protects the President and Vice President, their families, heads of state, and other designated individuals; investigates threats against these protectees; protects the White House, Vice Presidentís Residence, Foreign Missions, and other buildings within Washington, D.C.; and plans and implements security designs for designated National Special Security Events. The Secret Service also investigates violations of laws relating to counterfeiting of obligations and securities of the United States; financial crimes that include, but are not limited to, access device fraud, financial institution fraud, identity theft, computer fraud; and computer-based attacks on our nationís financial, banking, and telecommunications infrastructure.
"The Secret Service protects the President and Vice President, their families, heads of state, and other designated individuals"
That being the case, who stands to gain from the fact that the logs show that on several occasions, Gannon failed to properly check in or out. How is it possible for someone with a simple day pass to do this? As I said at Raw Story, he MUST have had help from on high! Find out who was there when these irregularities occurred. Look for the patterns.
Also, the fact that the logs record his (supposed) real name, indicates that the Secret Service knew who he was all along. So, the false outrage (and the "We didn't know who he was!" when he was outed,) by the Whitehouse is a load of BS! They knew.
If I was a member of the Whitehouse Press Corps right now, I'd be screaming for answers! Strange that the cowards are so very quiet. Then again, I also have integrity and a strong sense of morals.
Better keep an eye open for sudden suicides.
Well done again!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 4/24/2005 @ 11:58 pm PT...
Torqued #22 -
My sentiments exactly, precicsly...what in the name of all that's holy is this nation allowing to be perpetrated???
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/25/2005 @ 1:14 am PT...
The Secret Service has obviously been compromised here. Aside from trying to answer the intriguing question, "Who at the White House was Fuckert gucking?" we, as citizens, should us FOIA access to obtain all the records.
The obvious defense will be "executive privilege" or "national security," but if this guy was wandering in and out of the White House at will, the S.S. was in fact neglecting its security mission to begin with.
Just imagine if this had been going on under Clinton, how the Christian right and their allies on Capitol Hill would have been aflame. I've noticed how friendly the Bushes and Bubba have been lately (Clinton: "He won the election fair and square" NOT!). I wonder if this is another case of politics making strange bedfellows...if you'll pardon the expression.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 4:10 am PT...
excuse this OT post
Here's John Fund's latest rant about States V. Federal regulation of Federal Elections where he puts the boot into the EAC and outgoing DeForest "Buster" Soaries.
Yes John, we all nauseatingly recall how non partisan a SOS can be, hi Ken and Katherine!
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 4:42 am PT...
On Guckert and Frist-led fristing of federal judges and filibuster:
I also wonder what pro-Administration news-flashes were being floated around the dates of Guckert's "mysterious" visits to the White House. I am not so much interested in who he might of been visiting (or "gucking"), but I am pretty sure White House personnel also keep logs of "offficial" visits by outsiders and even insiders--appointment books. They might be examined if the Secret Service tries to do its job.
But as I read the early responses to the hate-fest in Kentucky this past Sunday, I see that even the local paper in Anniston, Alabama is taking fundamentalist Christian organizers to task for crossing the line--for accusing Democrats of being anti-religious.
It is the events with Guckert and the slow recognition of moderate conservatives on separation of church and state that needs to be thoroughly tied together in the minds of Evangelical Right. They evidently do not see that they are being "toyed with" and will be both used and disposed of when the Cheney's and Bush's decide to show their true colors: allegiance to corporations and to money. Articles are being circulated abouthow business interests are recoiling (a bit) over the Frist/DeLay pandering to the Religious Right. In the same week, Microsoft is cited as "running scared" of evangelicals over gay issues.
The next few weeks will be telling. But it does not look good for the Fundies at this time.
What does it take to tie this together into a cohesive presentation for the hard-boiled Right to see? I have no illusions that many just see what they want to. But the more moderate among them are the ones who elected G Bush in 2004 by acquiescing to him, not rabidly supporting him. He was the "devil they know" and the Derms presented a "devil" they didn't know. But make no mistake, both Christian moderates and Republican moderates are the people who elected Bush. And they are the ones who need to be turned around. The rest of us already know where we stand.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 6:48 am PT...
Who hasn't figured out yet that he was going into the white house to Rove around?
so off to rove I go
no one will ever know"
"The ballad of Gucko"
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 8:13 am PT...
Ooooh, I bet the little freepers are losing their collective MINDS over this!!
And I'm sure all those good "family values" folks who demanded Bill Clinton be impeached for getting a blow job in the White House are already gathering outside the gates cloaked in their moral indignation and shouting for someone's head on a pike - right? Yeah right.
As Bill Maher said, if it had happened under the LAST administration, there would be peasants with torches and pitchforks involved!
The fortress is crumbling...we're just waiting for the creature's face appear at the window...
It should be much easier to narrow the list of Jimmy-Jeff's "friends" now that there is a timeline..I'd start by comparing the list of people who didn't sign up on the FOIA request to a list of whomever was in the White House while he was there on "press un-related" business. I strongly suspect he had more than one client, and for every one involved with him, there are at least one or two more who know.
And wouldn't there be security cameras in the hallways? If so, I wonder what happened to those tapes..or did they get rid of the cameras after the Franklin coverup?
But then - Rove COULDN'T be "behind" Guckert could he? After all, Guckert's a "top only", right?
The odds are it was Cheney instead of Mr and Ms Pres - everyone knows the Bulldog preferred a "Dick" to a "Bush".
(Somebody had to say it)
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 9:37 am PT...
You're pretty spirited this morning. Seems like the outdoor air and the planting season you spoke of is revving you up and bringing out the "devil" in you!
Hope you don't mind my giving you a hard time. Always great to hear your comments!
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/25/2005 @ 9:41 am PT...
As Mammy from Tara might say, "Miss Kestrel, how you talk!"
This is looking like a Greek tragedy (pardon the expression). The Secret Service checked him 13 separate times, all under the name Guckert, without a corresponding check-out time under that name. Presumably, if he had tried to exit under the name "Gannon," it wouldn't have registered in the computer because there would have been no corresponding check-in log under that name.
Did he stay overnight in the White House? How many balls did he attend (in a manner of speaking)?
Here's an approach Conyers and Slaughter can take, without any lewd intent. When he checked in the first time after having left without checking out (his second check-in), wouldn't that have raised a red flag? Whoever kept track of these things for the Secret Service should have said, "Ah, Mr. Guckert, nice to see you again. One problem, though...according to our records you're still here, because you never checked out the last time."
This problem should have arisen, in fact, twelve separate times! Yet nobody said a word? Under the FOIA, isn't the Secret Service agent responsible for keeping track of these things identifiable?
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 10:27 am PT...
These are interesting times are they not?
This is OT but I need to find the thread discussing ways to fund Brad Blog. I think it was started by Steve but I can't find it now. I have wanted desparately to donate to the "cause" but because we live on Social Security it's been imposible to find any extra money. Since I am a songwriter I came up with a song that I think would be smash if I can find a publisher that is not in the Repug's "bag". I'd like to donate my share of any royalties to BradBlog. Here's a preview of the lyrics.
©4/25/2005 Val Zudell
Dedicated to all the widows and families of our fallen soldiers
We had a simple wedding in the summer
By fall there was a baby on the way
Both times he brought a dozen big red roses
And let them speak for words he couldn't say
The orders saying "Sir, Report for duty"
Arrived upon a cold December morn
We cried together, as he left us knowing
He'd not be here to see his child be born
So he went off to war with flags a flying
But the conflict had deception at it's core
The "lie" to bring "Democracy and Freedom"
Was cover for the greed and lust for war
I kneel to say good-by to him forever
As we learn to bear the cost of all he gave
Now I'm the one who's bringing him the roses
And weeping as I lay them on his grave
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 12:04 pm PT...
Just sick perverted people. All of them.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 12:10 pm PT...
Torqued #25 -
But not, I believe. So there must be hope. "Do not go gently into that good night; rage, RAGE, at the dying of the light!"
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 12:13 pm PT...
"But not, I believe, all of us." (I don't know what happened to the prior post.)
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 1:54 pm PT...
Hi, Val - I really like those lyrics. They certainly highlight a great deal of what is wrong today. It sounds "country". It would get important points thru to a lot of people who may not be paying enough attention.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 2:11 pm PT...
My (our, I'm sure) heart goes out to the writer of those lyrics. It happened in the late sixties, when We The People stood up and screamed ENOUGH, already! I believe we're all about ready for something similar. Until we think up a sound strategy, I recommend sending the tinhorn (I'd rather have a tinfoil hat) a bag pf pretzels
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 2:32 pm PT...
I really like your lyrics and would love to hear the music. I think that one of the real signs that there is a vibrant protest to this war and this administration will be when we start hearing more passionate songs like yours. I just hope that the music industry isn't so corrupted that it can't happen.
I have been trying to get together a Blogathon/Fundraiser. I've been in contact with a number of Bradbloggers via e-mail and have had some correspondence with Brad about it. Since you linked your e-mail address, I will e-mail you info. about the status of the proposed fundraiser.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 2:33 pm PT...
And way OT - I just put ten gallons (converted from liters) into my little Opel Astra today, here in Prague: 60 US dollars (converted from Czech crowns)! Six bucke a gallon, mostly in taxes! It kills me to hear the repugs moaning and pissing about taxes. Yeah, In Denmark they pay hefty taxes, but they get cradle-to-grave care, good care. In the CheeZee Republic they take half the national payroll every month in withholding, charge most everyone about 30% income tax, and slap a 19% VAT on most everccything you buy. But unlike Denmark, you get squat in sevices. I could go on and on about how strange it all is, but none of my friends would think taxes were a bad thing if they actually went to improving services for us all. Even in an old commie backater like this people think they should be able to pay a little tax and consult a (possivle) quacknwhen they're ailing
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 2:37 pm PT...
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 4:26 pm PT...
Conyers has written Scotty "Beam me up Jeffie" McClellan to ask more questions about Gannon (link here).
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 4:38 pm PT...
BLACKMAIL - There is another angle from which to view GG's activities; i.e., Mr. Gannon could be working for the W.H., using his "underground" male escort connections to spy on those who oppose W.H. policy. The information he could gather would then be used as "pressure" (blackmail) against Democrats and others who became a "nuisance" for the Administration, and to force them to vote with the Administration on certain issues(?)
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 5:21 pm PT...
Peg C #4
Thank you for that link. As you can imagine, any information, or opinions about the upcoming draft are what consume most of my thoughts these days. Btw, my son is 18 yrs. old today. What a treasure. Across this wide world you'll find no man, no father, prouder than I.
What to say.......So heartbreaking and beautiful just the same. You will find that there are many, many artists here like you, and many passionate and patriotic activists, and free, and deep thinkers dedicated to change and social justice. Welcome
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/25/2005 @ 5:44 pm PT...
I'm sure Conyers knows what he's doing. But it seems to me that writing to Scott McClellan to ask about Jeff Gannon is a bit like writing to Chelsea Clinton to ask about Monica Lewinsky.
Maybe it's a courtesy he has to observe, to be followed up by more intense scrutiny. I hope so.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 5:55 pm PT...
Thanks for sharing your lyrics with us. I have to echo Supersoling: heartbreaking & beautiful. I hope you finish it & put it out there so we can hear it.
Anybody here remember Phil Oakes? Reminds me a bit of him...a good soul.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 6:12 pm PT...
Since we know what GG was doing (more at less) at the W.H., reporting in for "duty"...whatever that was, maybe we should be more concerned with what he was doing when he was NOT at the W.H.? Do you think he has offshore accounts?
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 6:33 pm PT...
OT again, but relevant to this week's big "issue"- the filibuster.
My mother answered the phone this afternoon to be asked by a faint male voice whether she was a registered voter here in Maine. She was asked to respond with either "Yes," "No" or "Repeat." After a couple of "Repeats," she finally understood the question and Answered "Yes." Immediately the voice went into a speil, something along the lines of, "Did you know that the Democrats are trying to impede the work of Congress by blocking the appointments of Federal judges?"
She was so shocked and incensed she hung up. Isn't this intrusion into private homes with pure propaganda, at taxpayers' expense, 'way over the top - not to mention illegal and unconstitutional???
Anyone else have this experience?
Oh yes: Val, great song. Have you put it to music? I always sort of composed both at the same time.
Supersoling: I'm aching right along with you. Your SON, your beautiful SON...how dare anyone think they have the right to lay hands on other people's children for an illegal, immoral, sinful war?!!
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 6:33 pm PT...
re #22: Thanks to Torqued for those kind words.
re #35: Thanks for sharing, Val. I agree with Supersoling (#43) and Joan (#45) among others.
re #43: Happy Birthday to the Son of Supersoling! And best wishes to the whole Supersoling family.
re #45: That's a good memory, Joan, but not such great spelling. For those who don't remember, there's more about Phil Ochs on the net and you can find some of it by clicking here.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 6:36 pm PT...
I got a phone call today from the Kerry people, who wanted to add my name to a list having to do with healthcare. They also asked for a contribution (many many times).
I was polite...
but I managed to say quite a bit before he hung up.
I said I wasn't contributing another dime until somebody addresses the issue of election fraud seriously. THAT was number 1.
I asked where Kerry had been Jan. 6th & why had he not stood up with Boxer? (he didn't say Kerry'd been out of town...in my book, K should have been there).
I said I'd heard K is "working behind the scenes" and that I hope the hell he is, but I have precious little hope left in him after the way he conceded.
I said I hoped he is "behind the scenes" supporting John Conyers' efforts to get at the truth, and I said that Conyers is a hero.
I said that healthcare is an important issue & I appreciated what they were trying to do there --I was one of those people without healthcare--but if our vote is worthless nothing we try to do matters.
I said that I had faith in the man that sat down with Dick Cavitt in 1971, but I wasn't sure if K was that man anymore.
I think it was about then that he thanked me and made his escape.
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 6:38 pm PT...
Sorry, that was way off-topic.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 6:46 pm PT...
Good one, Joan. Hope your message gets relayed back. I like Kerry. But he needs feedback on what he's doing and how it appears.
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 6:47 pm PT...
Haha you're right! Thanks for the correction, Winter Patriot. It FELT wrong.
Apologies, Phil! I'm an aging flower child with a dwindling memory....
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 7:06 pm PT...
He he he Joan. It LOOKED wrong too! But it SOUNDED right!!
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 7:24 pm PT...
Hi, everyone. I posted this on a previous blog, but want to re-mention it here.
On Tradesport, the Irish betting exchange which predicted a Bush win in 2004, they are now predicting a Democratic win, Hillary, way ahead of Republican candidate McCain, for 2008.
It could be the election "FIX" is in. McCain's behaviour being inexplicable (promised a run at President which he does or doesn't know he won't be allowed to win), and now Bill Clinton courting GWB.
Maybe a "deal" is being made to fix the elections next time in favour of Hillary, to keep Americans quiet about election fraud. Your vote maybe didn't count the last two times, and maybe it never will again.
This has always been a fight between the rich and the poor, well before Repub. vs. Demo. The rich and powerful are prepared to compromise and "share" with each other, rather than hand over power and wealth to the people. This Repub. vs. Demo. thing is just another distraction to keep the people occupied and unaware of (power/money-sharing) what's really going on behind the scenes.
Maybe this is why Nader says both parties are the same. He means both parties are the same party - the party for the "rich".
Sorry, but this doesn't seem too far fetched to me.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 8:24 pm PT...
Thanks for all the kind comments about my song. Yes, it has music already and yes it has a country flavor. As a former member of the NSAI (Nashville
Songwriters Association International) I kinda got into the Country mood. But too much of Nashville now is into flagwaving and it's hard to find the right artists with the courage of the Dixie Chix and the clout of Martina McBride willing to record something like this. Maybe we will have to go the "Indie" route. Will keep you posted as to what develops.
Steve, will be happy to hear about the fundraising plans.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 8:34 pm PT...
I e-mailed you this afternoon. Let me know in these comments or by clinking on my name at the top of this message for my e-mail link and e-mailing me.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 8:43 pm PT...
I meant to say let me know if you didn't get my e-mail.
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 9:10 pm PT...
You're a fellow songwriter? How great! Love to hear some of your songs! I meant to add this to my last post but got overanxious and hit submit too quickly.
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 10:20 pm PT...
I heard that too about the fix for Hillary. It will be a Democrat in '08. That's why I wanted Kerry to win this whole battle.
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 10:22 pm PT...
Just want to add that all these people belong to the Council on Foreign Relations, one of the elitist groups that run the show. All except Kerry.
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 10:32 pm PT...
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 11:12 pm PT...
"Just want to add that all these people belong to the Council on Foreign Relations, one of the elitist groups that run the show"
Sorry for my interruption but just curious, where did you hear this from?
Yeah alot of the democrats belong to this, including Hillary. It's a think-tank started by Leo Strauss and a bunch of pro-fascists, back after world war II.
The whole speel about it being to protect foreign relations, is pretty far-fetched and untrue. Its really a worldwide special interest group with a noose on the media.
Christopher Dodd is one of the heads of their commission according to a report I saw. It really is just one big game, I sure hope Kerry sees the signs about Clinton.
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 11:36 pm PT...
My friend brought out a book that listed all the members of the CFR. They were all there, Carter included. Everyone should know about them and the Trilateral commission. You can Google it all, but I appreciate your input, and whatever else you can provide here for everyone to catch up.
Yes, these people go way back to Nazi and Fascist organizations, and they make global decisions in their interest, not ours. It was with great relief that I found out that Kerry was not one of them. That is why he is such a threat.
Kerry knows everything. Don't worry. But he has forces on his side, so we will see.
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
said on 4/25/2005 @ 11:43 pm PT...
These groups go back to royal families and banking houses and it is an incredible game. One everyone with political curiosity should know about. The Rockefellers and their partners are big players and may have something to do with 911. Not sure. But this family goes back to German and Austrian royalty and fascism.
If anyone wants to look up: Count Barnard Willhelm, who was an SS officer in the 1930's and in 1953 became the head of the World Bank, we might find something interesting. My sources tell me he is maybe the head honcho of the whole game.
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 1:38 am PT...
Oh Heavens! My moment in the sun!
Yeah, Steve, it is 'Bernard".
Thanks so much.
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 1:46 am PT...
No wait! It's Bernhard. And I found him under Prince of Netherlands. He married into that royal family.
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/26/2005 @ 2:07 am PT...
For Joan: Your experience with the Kerry people is identical to mine. They call at all hours (even on Sunday!) on one issue or another. And they want money all the time (for what, the 2008 campaign?).
They won't talk about election fraud, as if it doesn't matter but everything else does. They're a bunch of out-of-control robots, programmed to tell people what they're supposed to care about, asking for money every time. Can't stand them...the last time one called I said, "I'm very busy" and hung up.
For Val and Peg C.: My late wife Patty was also a member of Nashville Songwriters International. Traveled to Nashville several times. She died in December, 1999, but I still get mail in her name from them (even though I've moved twice since she died). Marketing, marketing, marketing.
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 3:32 am PT...
Robert, just ask them to take you off the list. I'm sure they'll do it.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 3:56 am PT...
Theresa: Yes that is very fascinating, its all exactly how you said and there is a long range of documents to prove it.
You may want to look up Deloitte & Touche LLP also, they are the auditing firm for nearly all of these businesses and work with ENRON.
Here is a place you can hit the jackpot on these things: http://www.namebase.org
Here's a website which documents all of it.
You are correct that it goes back all the way to Nazi, Germany. Pretty fascinating.
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 4:11 am PT...
Excellent, excellent, Dave. Thank you so much. There are a lot of details I need to catch up on to.
With all these investigative minds here, I thought we could figure out a lot of it, and maybe we could trace something to the voting machines.
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 4:47 am PT...
Dave, these links are great. This will give everyone a good overview. This has been known by some for a long time, but most people used to think it was hocus-pocus. Now maybe it's time for this to become common knowledge.
That's why I say the Internet is an amazing tool. It's almost like fate intervened. If we all know these things, and watch their moves, I think we can eventually unite and defeat them. It's all in the numbers.
One encouraging thing, is that some of them, like George Soros, seem to be defecting.
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 6:43 am PT...
uh ... er ... Gannon ...
Has anyone seen any reporting about the story this thread mentions in the MSM?
I mailed it to my list ...
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 6:57 am PT...
Just gone out on AP
Records: Writer at White House 196 Times
Mon Apr 25, 8:21 PM ET White House - AP
WASHINGTON - A conservative writer who quit his job covering President Bush amid criticism for his pointedly political questions visited the White House 196 times in two years, the Secret Service has disclosed.
James D. Guckert, who wrote under the name Jeff Gannon, was Washington bureau chief for Talon News, a conservative online news outlet associated with another Web site, GOPUSA. Guckert posed questions with conservative overtones, attracting scrutiny from liberal bloggers who linked Guckert with online domain addresses suggestive of gay pornography. Guckert resigned in February.
Democratic Reps. Louise Slaughter of New York and John Conyers of Michigan filed a freedom of information request and were given Secret Service records of Guckert's visits to the White House.
MICHAEL MOORE'S GOT IT LINKED FROM ASSOCIATED PRESS !@!!ING HELL !!!
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 7:44 am PT...
DO THAT TO 196 TIMES
ONCE IS NEVER ENOUGH
WITH A MAN LIKE YOU!
Apologies to the Captain & Tennille
GUCKERT / GANNON 196 TIMES STORY OUT ON AP
GUARDIAN UNLIMITED UK
MIAMI HERALD FL
KANSAS CITY STAR
Seattle Post Intelligencer, WA
San Francisco Chronicle, CA
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 8:05 am PT...
Jeffie "dahling Bulldog" Gannon is in the big ole news again
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 8:18 am PT...
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 8:35 am PT...
Fort Worth Star Telegram
GUARDIAN UNLIMITED UK
MIAMI HERALD FL
KANSAS CITY STAR
Seattle Post Intelligencer, WA
San Francisco Chronicle, CA
AND ON AND ON!
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 12:10 pm PT...
I googled Count Barnard Wilhelm and the only thing that came up was:
THE BRAD BLOG: "'New Times Broward-Palm Beach' Jumps into Feeney ...
... Name: Count Barnard Willhelm... connected with David Rockefeller and the World
Bank. I think we should know as much as possible about this. ...
www.bradblog.com/archives/00001175.htm - 121k - Cached - Similar pages
It's a reference to your comment #15 on that thread. You're famous and, at least on the Google search engine, the primary reference to Count Barnard (or Bernard) Willhelm (The page also said: "Did you mean: Count Bernard Willhelm"- I didn't get much more googling Count Bernard Willhelm)
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 2:30 pm PT...
Theresa: I agree, it is encouraging news that George Soros is finally defecting.
I feel as though the tide is finally turning to the side of the people, but it will be an uphill battle.
Did you know about this also?
http://www.cronos.com/electionfraud I saw it posted over on Conyers blog.
It proves these crazy dominionists knew about the christian scheme to control the vote a long, long time ago and were using it to remove opponents from their seats! How could nobody see this coming...
Unless that is, someone very high up in the democratic and activist organizations, didn't want anyone to know about it and also wanted the religious fascist right to take over with Clinton becoming their next puppet....
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 3:51 pm PT...
I think this is highly possible... the Clinton puppet. Peggy and I have been discussing it on other threads. The Clintons are among the worst. Criminal to the core. So easily purchased. And it is just too obvious--all this new praise of the Bush family. And the latest is Mr. Clinton's praise of Tony Blair. It is so clear that he is being used by the Neocons. And he loves it, since it keeps him in the spotlight.
The Christian Reconstructionist movement has ownership in the voting machine companies. I think we should investigate if we are serious about getting fair elections.
The people have always had cognitive dissonance, and that is what these rulers count on. It's been easy up till now. They haven't even had to hide anything. The people are blind by choice.
But with the advent of the blogosphere, I think we have a new game.
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 4/26/2005 @ 6:09 pm PT...
Clinton said Bush "won the election fair and square." He has no way of knowing this for a fact, but he said it anyway, in the face of a mountain of evidence that Bush stole the election. Why would Bubba say such a foolish thing?
My guess is that he's helping Hillary prepare for 2008. She's trying to take a middle-of-the-road approach, seeking a consensus on abortion, health care, and global issues, while he cozies up to Bush pere and says Bush fils won fair and square. All very establishment, and all totally dishonest. Bubba really hasn't changed, folks...he's just wearing a different hat now.
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 9:18 pm PT...
Theresa: Yep, it looks like the plan was in fact made to elect Hillary. Whoever it is they can get, they want so that he or she will be a pawn for the religious right.
"The Christian Reconstructionist movement has ownership in the voting machine companies. I think we should investigate if we are serious about getting fair elections."
This is why we must expose this despicable scandal, with the power of the blogsphere we are way ahead of them now.
If the people can do it, we will reform the voting state by state and after the cave falls in on these fascists we should ensure that Clinton does not get elected!
Its obvious who we need is someone who is real, and has all the facts on this sham. We need John Kerry who had his presidency stolen away, or we really need Howard Dean! Someone who will be a voice of the people, not a voice of corporations.
The game is no longer in their hands...It is in our hands, and the rules have changed!
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 9:57 pm PT...
Re: DAVE #79
Hey DAVE your cronos link doesn't work for me!
All I get is some commercial shipping container website??
COMMENT #84 [Permalink]
said on 4/26/2005 @ 10:44 pm PT...
OK, now is a good time to give you some of the skinny on all of this. I am so psyched that you are into it and starting to piece it together.
The feud between Bush and Kerry goes back to their Yale days together. Kerry was one of the intelligensia and came from better bloodlines. He spent his time quoting Greek philosophers while Bush was getting drunk and brutalizing people. Bush wasn't accepted by these people. Hunter Thompson once had a party with some of this crowd and Bush was there making an ass of himself. There were lots of fascinating people there but Bush had nothing of interest to say to anyone, according to Hunter. Everyone ignored him. Bush ended up passed out in the bathtub. He has a huge inferiority complex, I believe, and deep psychological complexes. So he is strutting like an idiot thinking he has come out on top now.
Kerry went against these criminals after Nam and you know he had some success. He then went on to fight organized crime in Massachusetts. It all culminated when he went after them again with BCCI and Iran Contra. He closed the bank down.
The CFR and other groups Dave and I were talking about have been working with international banks to launder money and fund all kinds of criminal activity including the covert operations in South America and elsewhere. Our politicians have been heavily invested, both parties. BCCI was the start of terrorist funding operations among other things, and the people in Washington didn't want Kerry to bust up their little party. He did anyway, and eventually exposed Iran Contra. He went up against the whole international corporate fascist cabal, and he remains a threat to the operation. He knows everything, and he knows their MO.
So Bush and the Neocons have an endless revenge trip going with Kerry. They taunt him in ways you can't imagine. That's why Kerry is not going anywhere. He's not finished yet. Bolton, for example, goes a long way back with Kerry and Kerry is on the warpath with him. And it looks like he's winning again and Bolton will be out.
Gannon is bigger than you know. These people have been invested and making megabucks in both the national and international sex trades.
So basically you have a crime syndicate running the government, and Kerry has been dogging them for years. They are starting to make mistakes, and if we, the bloggers, can expose their activities, who knows what we all can accomplish.
Even if you don't take Kerry's side, the game is fascinating, and a front row seat should prove entertaining.
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]
said on 4/27/2005 @ 5:49 am PT...
More good links, Dave. This is good. Covering all this territory. There are still some things I'm trying to figure out before I have the puzzle complete, so I appreciate this. And I think it helps so much to target the people exactly as to what part they are playing. Knowledge is the best.
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
said on 4/27/2005 @ 12:47 pm PT...
Re:84 Theresa you are dead on.
I can't believe the lengths they are going to cover this mess of scandals up, did you know the cronos.com link I found has been erased? Its like the page was never there at all!
John Kerry must fight for justice and we must remove these criminals in the best way we know how, I can feel a victory coming if everyone sticks it out.
I found these other links on the election fraud that are plain sick, and I reccomend everyone save this data quickly so that nobody deletes it.
These were posted on democratic underground and another website, and they are truly alarming! These people are literally playing for keeps and want to own the country.
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]
said on 4/27/2005 @ 1:48 pm PT...
Hi, Teresa! I miss RISE UP, RISE UP. I hope he/she comes back to post. Come on, RISE UP. We are all together in this.
COMMENT #88 [Permalink]
said on 4/27/2005 @ 10:38 pm PT...
COMMENT #89 [Permalink]
said on 4/27/2005 @ 11:08 pm PT...
He sure did get a 'rise' out of all of us, didn't he?Supersoling got so mad he took off in a huff, but he has returned, of course, hopefully ready for another round.
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]
said on 4/27/2005 @ 11:17 pm PT...
Kira #88: That's the one alright!
It's good to see that it is still around. I had wondered if it might have been mispelled or moved somewhere.
COMMENT #91 [Permalink]
Franklin Cover-up scandal continues
said on 4/28/2005 @ 1:25 pm PT...
Someone should investigate the homosexual pedophile ring Bush runs. Bush's squeeze has been former Mayor of Knoxville, TN Victor Ashe.
Is Gannon the kidnapped child Johnny Gosch?
www.johnnygosch.com. www.4acloserlook.com (interviews with Noreen Gosch, Senator John DeCamp, Rusty Nelson
These kidnapped children identified Bush I at Larry King's Embassy row parties in the 80's.
COMMENT #92 [Permalink]
said on 4/28/2005 @ 2:52 pm PT...
I agree, Franklin #91. It is huge an involves a lot of players. It will probably lead right into the churches which would be a good place to go with the truth.
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]
said on 4/29/2005 @ 12:18 pm PT...
Unfortunately, if Gannon is Gosch there is a group of mainstream media personalities with connections to the democrats also who want to cover it up.
Its all getting really front and center this war and the players are coming unhinged.
COMMENT #94 [Permalink]
said on 5/3/2005 @ 1:44 pm PT...
Why would Karl Rove or Scott Macellan risk EVERYTHING to have a sexual encounter in the White House? Wouldnt they use their own homes or a hotel for that? Do you know anyone who has sex at the office?
Who lives at the White House and you have your answer.