hmm, CNN using index-blocking tactics to harm blogs... just goes to show how much a "news service" they are.

I don't even know what channel they are on my tv and I think il keep it that way.

As regular BradBlog readers already know, I work behind the scenes here, helping Brad with one thing and another. [By doing some of the drudge-work, I free Brad's time so he can spend it on more important things, like investigating and writing.] And one of my tasks involves deleting all the spam that comes in.

You may not have been aware that we get spam; but we do. We get spam almost every day. It comes in the form of comments to old posts, and most of it pertains to online gambling.

About a week ago I noticed a few odd CNN-related comments (here and here), and I decided to leave them alone; I'm not sure why. Now that I know it's part of a bigger pattern, I still can't decide what to do with it.

So ... I ask you, fellow BradBlog readers: What do you think I should do? Preserve the evidence? or clear the decks?

Winter #2

Can you keep a copy of the comments for the record and scrub off the site? Even so, there is still the reference to CNN in several places on the blog. But you'll get rid of the other names.

Interesting tactic. Have you contacted Nick Lewis to see if the poster was used the same name?

Oh my - I hadn't finished Lewis' article before I posted my response and *sigh* I just don't have time to read anymore today.

Well - very interesting stuff. Maybe we come up with a new code name for that news outlet. Maybe SiNN

:grin

*sigh* indeed!

It is extremely difficult to go to nick lewis's articles, so I might not be qualified to opine... It might be interesting for us to read what is going on with the understanding that we get it. Perhaps it also serves the purpose of being aware for other strategies that might be employed. I think as a whole, we are a pretty intelligent group and can decipher truth from b.s. Know thy enemy?

Can someone at Bradblog, please post an explanation of the background of how this works? I believe most of us who are reading this story, need an explanation in "layman's terms". Everyone isn't computer/internet savvy, you know...A very short explanation of SPAM, how they SPAM blogs, how it affects blogs negatively, etc...

Sorry, Dan. I didn't realize we were being mysterious.

It's very simple. The spammers make comments, just like you do. Only the comments contain advertising.

I'll point you to a thread that currently has spam on it, so you can see what I mean.

Click here.

Shame on CNN. It is written: A fool makes themselves known immediately and repeatedly; wise men cometh and goeth. The scum is rising to the top!

I'm not sure, but any intended damage may already be done? Lacking an ongoing dirty-tricks campaign, CNN cannot sustain their goals in minimizing Blog influence in the media, or promote their own shameless propaganda using these methods. So my first instinct would be to leave the evidence up for others to judge.

No doubt the gig is up. CNN attacked only the top Blogs on the internet, thereby attacking a significant portion of the Truthful Media in the process. It is an honor that The BRAD BLOG is feared competition by CNN but... it is you and Brad who must decide the fate of CNN's spam WP.

The people will decide the fate of CNN and their pathetic competition.

Having seen that those posts were identical on multiple sites, and are therefore spam at best, probably malicious, I think you should remove them and replace them with an explanation and a link to Nick Lewis's article.

re #8. I hope that helps, for starters. The CNN-related spam is a bit more sophisticated, but it's essentially the same idea. Somebody typed up a message, visited BradBlog, and pasted the message in as a comment. He also visited a bunch of other blogs and did the same thing there.

How does it harm the blogs? I suppose if they spammed current threads it might be annoying to readers; when they spam old threads it only wastes my time. Could I be doing something more useful than deleting invitations to online casinos? Probably. And I think administrators of other blogs would probably say the same thing.

Ask more questions if you wish ... I will answer as many of them as I can!

Hi, Winter #2 - I think you should treat them like unwanted door-to-door salespersons and send the spam back to CNN with the preface: "No thank you - don't need any vacuum cleaners or CNN today. Returning the following unused items."

Winter #8-
Isn't it more than just advertising in the case of CNN. Putting an ad on some ancient thread that no one is likely to read doesn't seem too productive, but putting in some key words/phrases ( "stuffing" ) as comments to a blog topic that might be negative to your product (eg- to CNN) can apparently penalize the blog on that topic in search engines like google, resulting in a worse or no position for that blog topic in searches.

Am I making sense with this explanation?

Okay, maybe it's just me, but everything else aside, there is now no denying it - MSM is SCARED S**TLESS of bloggers right now!

That means the power pendulum is swinging/has swung our way.

MAN it feels good to be part of this journalism revolution!

Winter Patriot #2 - I'm guessing this spammer didn't leave a real IP trail either? That sux. Yeah, definitely keep a copy, you never know when you need "evidence" - especially if this is a career spammer and someone somewhere someday decides to press charges.

Peggy #12 - Great idea!!! *L*

Not sure what I did to put that emoticon on my comment #13. It was supposed to be a close parenthesis.

Winter Patriot,
I suggest you take a screenshot of the questionable CNN comments and then delete them. That way those stories won't be filtered out by any search engines. You can use a program called Any Screen Capture from downloads.com to take screen shots. (& no I won't be posting cracks:)

Big Dan,
I read the article and they how the SPAM blogs is they (a site that wants to u visit their site) use a program (real person doesn't type) that targets specific websites according to a keyword (in this case "CNN") and then posts the same comment (with links) repeatedly at different blogs.

How does this harm blogs? Some websites used to post keywords over & over (keyword tagging) on their page because that would help their website appear before others when someone did a search using those keywords. Search engines (yahoo, google, ect.) now punish sites that do this by placing those sites behind a hundred or so others - making it extremely hard for that site to be noticed on a search engine (you search using a keyword and that keyword-tagged site will be so far back you'll never notice it).

SO, if a certain b-blog story had SPAM in it and the search engine picked up that b-blog had was keyword tagging (repeating keywords to get notice over other sites) the search would punish that bradblog page so that if somebody searched for the story they would NOT see any bradbrog links. The b-b-blog story would be buried behind hundreds of other other sites.
RESULT: dramatic decrease in visitors to that story.

re #13 Yes Steve you are making sense ... in context of Lewis' article. I didn't see any evidence of word-stuffing in the comments that were left here [and if I had, I would have blown them away in a heartbeat!]. I imagine the other administrators are at least as savvy as I am and would never leave comments around that would hurt their blogs.

Dan #7 --

The spamming technique is called "keyword stuffing". In this case in the usage of spam, CNN was posting carefully worded comments on popular blogs that have criticized CNN, to the point where commenters stated that CNN wasn't worth watching at all.

Knowing that Google can filter out certain keywords when performing a search, the spam was meant to insure that the infected Blog would not be returned in ANY Google search that contained "CNN", "Blog", "Headline News" keywords etc..

So, their intent is to block entire websites negative to CNN propaganda such as The BRAD BLOG and other top sites. Only "CNN friendly blogs" would be returned in a Google search using this method of keyword stuffing.

OT alert:

re #16. It's not your fault, Steve. It's a bug [or maybe a feature!] in our software which misinterprets a double quote followed by a closing paren. [I've fixed your comment by adding space after the quote.]

This bug is one reason why I tend to use square brackets rather than parens [I do it all the time, in fact!] since our software doesn't make the same mistake with them.

Sojo #17 --
Oops, beat me to it. Didn't mean to step on your post..

Well, guys, did I miss it? Do you think those comments had enough keyword-stuffing to do us any damage?

KIRA-
Did you catch my post #31 on this thread? Leave a comment so I know you saw it. Thanks!

another OT alert: for Steve [and and any other readers who may not know this]:

You can link directly to any comment. The link is in square brackets just after the comment number. Watch this:

Kira: did you catch Steve's comment on that other thread?

Just to test things a bit, I've done a number of searches using Google, such as this one, and I consistently get the Brad Blog entry that I am looking for. If this is the best word-stuffing campaign CNN can muster, then I feel compelled to say their so-called guerilla tactics are as weak as their so-called reporting!

Winter Patriot #22 --

After thinking it all through my vote goes to deleting the spam. Still your call though.

I would save a copy and delete, just on general principles. That stuff has no business on THIS blog!

Winter-
Thanks for #'s 18, 20 & 24 (and everything else!)

Why not just forward them to Wolf Blitzer or Lou Dobbs with an attached question, "What should I do with this?" P.S. "I love your show."

What if 6 or 7 people did what Robert has suggested? LOL!

re #28. Steve, you're most welcome.

Just a quick note re #17, where Sojo wrote: "they ... use a program (real person doesn't type)"

That's what they would do if they were smart. I don't want to get into too much detail, but I have reason to believe that the spam we get is planted manually.

For the programmers reading this: This shows you the level of sophistication we're dealing with here! It's almost too funny for words. I can delete it faster than they can send it.

Kinda reminds me of the Jim Croce song "Next Time, This Time", where he sings "I can hang up as fast as you can call." LMARO!

{Please disregard the previous comment in this spot, and see comment #35 on this thread instead. Thanks!}

OT, but a big "scoop" (by way of New Zealand) regarding the Sibel Edmonds case and 9/11.
Link here.

re #33 ... I've heard from Brad and he wants me to leave the offending posts in place. So I am going to undo whatever I've done to them, and those who wish to read them will be able to do so. Sorry for the confusion. I'm confused myself. Oh well...

Thanks, Peg C. It gets fishier and fishier, stinkier and stinkier. I hope Ms. Edmonds obtains justice for the American people.

Thanks for the link Peg C. re: Sibel Edmonds. Will she ever get a fair hearing? One day -----

This is more than likely (I'd be willing to bet on it) just someone who wants to "get the word out" on their opinion of CNN. They are obsessed with it and watch it all the time (hence the trying to talk to other people about the specific shows) and are using their rather poor knowledge about keywords to try to increase traffic to their commentary when someone wants to learn more about blogs after watching CNN. You watch CNN, you type in "CNN blogs" in Google. They want the page with the comments critical of CNN--and conversely supporting "new media" like blogs--to come up.

Of course, the problem is keyword stuffing does not work well anymore. Also, putting pluses in front of words does absolutely nothing on a page, which additionally shows that the submitter doesn't know much about keywords. Lastly, the collection of keywords Nick Lewis found with a few posts (2 I think) is tame. To bring a rank down (his theory is that Google will blacklist the blog for keyword stuffing) would take a lot more keywords than this. There's about 70. This is actually more likely to bring it up if anything at all.

Type in "breasts xxx" in Google. The *very first site* is keyword stuffed with *at least 1000 keywords.*

Maybe I'm wrong of course, maybe CNN is involved in a complicated sinister plot to blacklist blogs critical of CNN.... but I doubt it.

whoops, I copied and pasted some of that comment from one I made on Nick Lewis' site (that didn't post for some reason). The "pluses" I'm referring to are in the keywords he says were attached to a few of the comments as in "+blog".

(I linked to the site this time too, click my user name)

This "Guerrilla" marketing campaign was not successful, perhaps we should call it something else...

Traditionally, "guerrilla" tactics are those of small bands of ill-equipped and low-budget fighters, hiding in the fringes (sounds like it would be more appropriate for us Bloggers to be labeled as guerrillas!). Not the well-established big money fat cats.

What CNN is doing is the internet equivalent of throwing feces, so to me this is more like "Monkey Feces Marketing". And since CNN (and the MSM collectively) routinely polishes Bush's turds, it's doubly appropriate.

CNN, quit flinging your monkey feces on our blogs!

#2
Winter Patriot~ I agree with Kira...it would seem a good idea to make copies & then delete the spam. But I am such a novice, take my opinion with a grain of salt. I'm in awe of Nick Lewis' skills in uncovering this creepy & despicable deception.
THANK YOU NICK
Re #7...by clicking on the links Brad provides at the top of this page, & then clicking on the links Lewis provides, I was able to understand the gist of what they're doing, and I'm VERY inexperienced at this.
To those insidious scoundrels in tv advertising:
"May the fleas of a thousand cur dogs infest their armpits"

lol! monkey feces! jeez louise...that is about right for the level of their discourse.
Please disregard my last post...I bow to Brad's greater experience.
Thank you Peg #34...hope everyone goes to THAT link! Jesus....

OK! Great explanations! The bottom line is this: They intentionally spam say BRAD BLOG with keywords that hurt their priority on searches such as Google. Why didn't you just say that to begin with? (lol) I understand now. Thanks, everybody!

I think there's a danger in taking this spam too seriously.

Every day I get two kinds on my computer, to wit: 1)Someone in the Netherlands tells me I've just won a mysterious lottery, but I must provide my credit card details in order to claim it. Yeah, sure. 2) Somebody from Nigeria or the Ivory Coast has gold deposits he wants to share with me, provided I'll help him get them through some arcane financial network he can't deal with from his end...
and "Please, sir, keep this confidential." Uh-huh.

I typically answer, "Gee, I just won at bridge last night, so I can't handle a second windfall in the same week," or just, "Leave me alone." In the case of the CNN spam, why not just turn it back on them by forwarding it to a CNN anchorman?

I also understand that, it's really important for someone on the BRAD BLOG (and other blogs) monitoring "comments" so they delete the SPAM that hurts their search priority. Understood! And you're doing great work even thinking of this and detecting it. And the MSM's like CNN who are doing this, are unethical. And that means they are paying people on their payroll who's job it is to figure out ways to hurt blogs. And, it also means, they're thinking of other ways to hurt blogs, which we haven't caught yet.

...rust never sleeps...

WP # 35
There may be some benefit from 'knowing your enemy' but there is a point of knowing too much where it beomes an annoyance--like those pop ups that keep coming.

Is it feasible to fix a 'warning label' to those posts so readers could pass them by quickly or read if they chose?

re: forwarding to CNN anchorman

I'm curious - has anyone done that? I'd like to hear a CNN response to this.

What'd be even cooler would be to CC it to a competitor (Fox maybe?)

re: Cole in #47 - Maybe a special little icon at the beginning - a BS warning? An animated bull taking a dump perhaps? *L*

I know, I know, I'm soooo warped. That's why I fit right in here *grins*

Thanks to everyone for all your comments and suggestions. Here are my latest thoughts on the matter:

It's tempting to jump to conclusions. And Nick Lewis can write whatever he wants, of course. Personally, I see [1] no evidence of keyword-stuffing, [2] no indication that the comments in question have hurt Brad Blog with respect to Google search rankings, and [3] no evidence that anyone at CNN had any part in placing those comments here.

Yes, we could add a "spam-alert" to the posts in question, but how much good would that do? Remember that the thread in question dates back to November. How many Brad Blog readers go back and check for comments being added to dormant threads? In my view this whole episode has been way overblown, and for me the daily spam coming from online gambling websites is much more of a problem than the two strange comments we've been talking about here.

One more thought: If those comments were left here with the intent of hurting Google's ranking of the thread in question, then the spammer didn't even do a good job of choosing where to put the spam. The spammed thread merely noted that the Brad Blog had been seen on CNN Headline News. It didn't say anything especially negative about CNN. There are several other threads here which are much more critical of CNN but those were left alone. If this really was an attack, why wasn't it directed against one or more of those threads instead?

I could be wrong about all this. But it seems to me that there are a ton of other things going on which are more deserving of our attention. Maybe the whole idea was to get us to waste our time talking about CNN... If so, it has worked!

CNN bites.

Now let's get to something REALLY important.

Like what the HELL happened to my nice warm Tennessee spring weather???

Or, "Everything I ever needed to know about CNN, I learned on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart!"

Okay I'll stop.

To get back to something that, I dunno, MAY be pretty important:
Teresa posted the news, and I think it bears repeating, that CPAN is scheduled to broadcast the speech given by David Griffin in Madison, Wisconsin, this Saturday at 10:30 a.m.
To quote from her earlier post:

"David Griffin's incendiary but well-documented charges of Bush administration complicity in 9/11 have been scheduled for national telecast.! C-span will broadcast Griffin's talk "9/11 and the American Empire: How Should Religious People Respond?" on Book TV (C-Span2) this Saturday, April 30th, at 10:30 a.m. Eastern..."

She also said the audience "...gave Griffin a
thunderous standing ovation for charging the
Bush-Cheney regime with orchestrating the 9/11
attacks..."

I mean, hot damn.

Just to change the subject, on the news on the way to work this morning, bush was reported saying that the high cost of gas is due to our rapidly growing economy. If I wasn't in my car, I would have puked!!! Does anyone buy that horses---!! How does that excuse of humanity say that bull with a straight face!!

Ahhh, Mugzi (#54): You seem to have forgotten: Practice Makes Perfect!

Well, I dunno...Bush and his oil cronies are laughing their way to the bank every day, while the money flows from middle America's bank accounts into their own personal coffers. So, from his perspective, business is great!

P.S. Meaning, Bush loves the high gas prices and wouldn't want lower prices AT ALL! To hell with America is his motto...it's "me first, me first, me first...rah, rah, rah, King Georgie".

Dave #58 --

The WATR site isn't up yet. Is there anything else you know about this group? Leo Lincourt? Any particular activities? Other members?

You mentioned that: "it also bolsters the media everywhere, by giving them a place they can discuss all the evidence found on the internet and spin up stories."

And: "Its a mystery why there is one central place in order to dump information into or why they lock everything down, but some believe its because they are getting rid of all the evidence and covering up the lies of the fascist government."

What place(s) is that?

re #58 I tried that link and got a page that said only

Website still coming when we damn feel like it!

so ... Dave ... either you are WAY out in front on this ... or ... something ... smells ... fishy ...

WP..I got the same page. though I gave up...thinking what the hell am I actually prepared to DO anyway if I find anything on these people?
I am fairly freaked from reading-catching up with old posts...Teresa'a info is maybe too much for my wussy little self...or maybe I'm just damn tired...

time to crash...I'm out of smokes & smoking old butts from the ashtray. God.
Sweet dreams to the 6 or 7

Sweet dreams to you, Joan. And you need a pouch of tobacco and some papers for emergencies. I know.

Sorry for my earlier irreverence everyone - chalk it up to too little coffee and too much rain - I don't do well within walls.

Re: msm vs. bloggers - more proof that they are no longer ignoring us or laughing at us - they are actively fighting us. We are a threat, we've proven it time and time again, and instead of joining forces to bring the truth to the masses in this country (which would seem to be the most logical way to handle things), most have simply chosen to try and choke out the competition.

Fact is, we're screwing with their profit margins. I can't begin to count the people I know (including me) who no longer look to msm for information beyond the local entertainment scene.

I felt pretty powerless for awhile here on my blue island in the middle of a red sea, with my only lifeline being the other "radical, rebel, and liberal" homeschoolers who are old hippies, young idealists, and activists, and who are USED to being an active participant in the government of this country.

Then I found this place.

Mornings when I sit and drink coffee and catch up with latest online news before work, I have to stop by here and see what's REALLY going on in the world.

Y'all give me hope, you energize me. I'll say it again, I really like you people.

Winter Patriot, or Brad

Re: Teresa #? and Joan #53 :

Any chance for a front page headline (maybe with a flashing light) on Bradblog reminding everyone of the CSPAN broadcast Saturday morning?

Don't know about everyone else, but Saturdays are family time here so usually no CSPAN. I'm babysitting tomorrow so will have to remember to set a tape (and keep the kids away from the VCR, not easy on a rainy morning.)

At any rate, there are other folks who might not know about it who are interested.

This is a HUGE deal! (and call me cynical, but I'm half expecting CSPAN to be knocked off the air during the broadcast)

Whatcha think?

#65
K (may I call you K??)
I like the idea of a siren for this...it's tomorrow & I agree, it is huge. I've told everyone I can think of & I plan to tape it...*IF* it airs, as you say, Mr. K (gender-assumption...)

#63
Thank you Teresa...good idea. I used to know how to roll, hehe.

Well, you could leave the evidence in and prevent the spiders from picking it up using a robots.txt file.

See, e.g., http://www.searchenginew...bots/robots_tutorial.htm

Juts in case you hadn't thought up that one.

There is more to the CNN related spam brigade I'm afraid to say, because a co-ordinated effort by the mainstream media is going on against all the bloggers now. Fox News and Bob O Reilly are also going crazy on the internet.

They are attempting to redeem Joe Scarborough and the others by moving for a full push to see Air America Radio and others removed, for "Liberal Hate Speech"

There is also a central organization combining all the best known Media type personalities and writers and this organization is becoming a real threat, its also trying to comb the web and hire bloggers to its cause.

http://www.whoaretheyreally.org- It is also known as the WATR which does the deepest media research campaigns on the right wing and fosters propaganda. Do a whois lookup sometime and you might find the headquarters in NYC real interesting.

But it also bolsters the media everywhere, by giving them a place they can discuss all the evidence found on the internet and spin up stories.

Insiders state most of the stories are actually done to cover up all the many fallacies of the corporate world, including stories spun by bloggers which they see as a threat.

Its a mystery why there is one central place in order to dump information into or why they lock everything down, but some believe its because they are getting rid of all the evidence and covering up the lies of the fascist government.

Dave

Kes #64, #65 --

What an intellectual and stimulating community huh? We love you too!

I second your suggestion for a C-Span/9-11 thread. Perhaps an open thread (we need one on weekends anyway) preceeding The BRAD SHOW threads? What say you Brad? WP?

Joan #62 --

The desire is weaker quitting altogether than those times when you temporarily run out of smokes. Was for me (nudge, nudge) anyway.

Torqued..68
I think you're right! I was craziness last night. Hey, I'm workin on it, I'm workin on it.....kind of...

Joan - nope, afraid I possess no y chromosomes and I still suffer from PMS *laughin* no harm in the assumption, some of my best friends are males!

And you can call me K or Kes, I only use my original screen name so people who have known me online for a long time can find me here.

And yeah, these people are great - glad you joined us!!

#54 Mugzie, the WaPo today kinda refutes Idiot Bush on the expanding economy front.

Let's see, Bush says oil prices are due to the rapidly expanding economy yet the Washington Post today titles and article "Economic Slowdown Surprises Experts."

Who to believe.

All I know is, my money isn't going nearly as far. That's a fact.

Re: #59

I don't really know all the details except from what I heard from an outsider, and I don't particularly trust them.

But I don't trust alot of things now. The WATR is basically a website you have to register first to be part of, and there is supposed to be a central archive where they "lock up" or keep all their information.

It's supposed to be like a central filing system, but there appears to be no place to register. Regarding that, it may only be a placeholder page and not the index where everyone registers.

Sorry I don't really know much else about it, it was just passed on to me.

Dave

re #59 no problem Dave and I wasn't meaning to accuse you of anything, just trying to point out that [as you no doubt realize] it's all very confusing...

Kes #70,
Haha...my bad! Re PMS...it still rears its ugly head around here too once in a while, but I'm fairly serene these days thanks to meditation & Heineken.

Dave #72 --

Thanks for the additional info. Incidentally, the Who Are They, Really homepage is up with a link to forums. While I haven't read the materials yet, the subject matter seems to be of interest to progressives. More when I have the time.

Hey Brad, thanks for picking up my investigation. BTW, Did you notice that your blog got mentioned in wired today?.

A wonderfully telling quote from the article linked by Nick (in comment #76) goes:

"Jackson questioned why CNN would pay any attention to what a handful of mid-size bloggers had to say."

"Size" don't matter when you're a "cut" above the rest!

Re: #75,

I'm not so sure what their motives really are, but I did my own research and found a few posts that are pretty questionable.

"Look at this new thread when you get a chance. You can see that jamboi starts it, and kicks it. I will list the players as I see it.

- Bad guys working together (as usual) - IAMREALITY, Razorback_Democrat, ClintCooper2003, Alizaryn, Vote4Kerry, Monkie,

- Good guys trying to refute them - SomthingsGotaGive, Cocoa, Freddie Stubbs

- Good guys sucked into the scam (as usual) -Carolab, merh

- Actual person being smeared in threads because he was critical of Madsen - BreakForNews

The others I am not sure of one way or the other"

https://www.whoaretheyre...roup/viewtopic.php?t=175

I basically found several threads like this where unidentified individual commits attacks on members at DU, Black Box Voting, and elsewhere in a sort of smear campaign.

Arguably, they claim to be battling disinformation scams and sparring it out. Each time in these posts of theirs they talk about waking up the democrats, and ordering administrators to seemingly follow their demands.

It always sounds similar to CNN smear campaigns or anecdotes, where a whole team attacks and singles someone or a bunch of someones out.

Still not finding any so called "hard evidence" of the 9/11 or any such thing that bloggers are apparently being attacked for.

If they do hold onto evidence, it doesn't look like you get to it from a message board.

One more thing, I saw a couple of posts where Journalists are mentioned being involved in some sort of "investigation" regarding 9/11, but there was no names mentioned or anything.

I'm inclined to treat these persons at arm's reach, and keep an eye out.

Dave

RE #58 - Dave is a troll. His name isn't even Dave - it's Jeremy Lowe, from the Boulder-Superior Colorado area. These days he's back in Utah, with nothing to do but cause trouble. He is part of a small group of disinformation artists known as the Fablecrusaders, and they have been putting out this crap for 6 months now. This link to a Kos diary by "Dave" gives a good idea of what they are doing:

http://www.dailykos.com/...ory/2004/12/5/14232/7575

BTW Brad is well aware of these freaks.

The link to WATR is here:

https://www.whoaretheyreally.org/workinggroup/

The site is dedicated to digging up dirt on right wing neocons, Moonies, Fundies, etc.

But "Dave" aka Schools Out, aka BlogVote, aka Doctorwhosits, yada yada yada, as part of his group's neverending fable, would like you to believe otherwise - that WATR is dangerous, tied to Rove, etc etc. Believe me folks, these freaks' crap never stops.

Feel free to contact Brad - he knows all about their shit.

John

*sigh* Just saw Dave's posts today about WATR. I can assure you neither I or anyone else who posts there are tools of the MSM, except perhaps in some nutters' minds (Hi Schools Out!).

This started out as a private project but sort of fizzled out. Here's the post on DU where I announce it opening publicly almost a full 3 days before School's Out (aka Dave) felt it was necessary to drag my name through the mud.
http://www.democraticund...104&topic_id=3549983

Anyone who has any questions is always free to e-mail me or PM me at WATR or at DU. I am salvorhardin at both places.

*sigh* Just saw Dave's posts today about WATR. I can assure you neither I or anyone else who posts there are tools of the MSM, except perhaps in some nutters' minds (Hi Schools Out!).

This started out as a private project but sort of fizzled out. Here's the post on DU where I announce it opening publicly almost a full 3 days before School's Out (aka Dave) felt it was necessary to drag my name through the mud.
http://www.democraticund...104&topic_id=3549983

Anyone who has any questions is always free to e-mail me or PM me at WATR or at DU. I am salvorhardin at both places.

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To those guys saying Dave is a troll, he's not the one going around talking about bullshit DailyKOS diary entries and attacking people.

Looks like whatever happened ruffled these people's feathers. Hell now that I think about it, when someone receives an email from somebody that's one heck of a logic leap to claim they're starting disinformation.

Dave is just someone concerned about this whole thing, and so are others. You do nothing but worsen the whole effort and make yourselves sound suspicious, by singling others out and name calling.

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