When they even begin to lose Novak, that should tell you something.
This from his column yesterday — headlined “Army’s recruitment crisis deepens” — in which he quoted from an Email exchange with a friend of his, Retired Army Lt. Col. Charles Krohn:
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The Army’s dilemma is maintaining an all-volunteer service when volunteering means going in harm’s way in Iraq. The dilemma extends to national policy. How can the United States maintain its global credibility against the Islamists, if military ranks cannot be filled by volunteers and there is no public will for a draft?
Krohn’s e-mail describes the problem: ”Consider the implications of being unable to find sufficient volunteers, as seen by our adversaries. Has the United States lost its will to survive? What’s happened to the Great Satan when so few are willing to fight to defend the country? Surely bin Laden et al are making this argument, telling supporters victory is just around the corner if they are a bit more patient. And if they’re successful, the energy sources in the Mideast may be within their grasp.”
A trial balloon being floated there concerning a Draft? Perhaps. Novak floats many balloons for his friends in the White House (just ask Valerie Plame).
And then, of course, Krohn’s admission about what he fears most — a loss of “energy sources in the Mideast” — is rather revealing. Not that it’s a war about Oil or anything.
But the bottom line is that even Novak seems to be seeing the light of day: George W. Bush’s colossal failure in Iraq is the real problem…
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Krohn is a lifelong Republican who actively supported George W. Bush’s presidential candidacy in 2000. He specified in his e-mail that ”I’m not now blaming” President Bush or Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for the situation. ”We have a problem that transcends politics,” Krohn added.
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That means the problem goes beyond mechanics of recruiting and the details of volunteer service and is found in the war itself.
Oh, do ya think, Bob? Not to go all Rush on ya to say “see, we told ya so”, but we will say, where the fuck were you two years, 1600 dead troops and 100,000 dead Iraqis ago, Bob?
Anyway, we’ll attempt to be generous as is our proclivity even in these dark days, and simply hope that is a signal that even Novak is joining the club of those many Republicans now taking baby-steps towards joining the rest of us back here in the Reality-Based Community.
UPDATE: Last weekend on CNN’s Capitol Gang Novak said that his Pentagon sources feel that “it is imperative to get the hell out of there”. He also goes on to say “I really believe that we’ve done all we can and it’s time we go and hope things work out for the better.”
Video clip in two flavors courtesy of David Edwards: Streaming Real Player, Windows Media
If I recall correctly, Bob Novak, despite his eminent conservative credentials, was basically skeptical and a dove on the Iraq war, viewing it as a sop to Israeli interests. (He’s also a rare skeptical voice on Israel, from either the right or the left, excepting the farther left.)
So, in this case, it isn’t that the Bush administration has ‘lost’ Novak. He never was on board on this train from the beginning.
This was posted on Congressman John Conyers’ site by Maxie:
"parentsagainstadraft"
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 18:40:34 -0000
Subject: [FightTheDraft] Rangel to Introduce Draft Bill in 2005
I just called Congressman Rangel’s office to find out if he is still planning to reintroduce a Draft bill. The answer was an unqualified "YES." He plans to do so this year.I just received this email on my yahoo group email.
I knew it was only a matter of time before this started,we may be at war with out own govenment before long. ‘
What? The invasion of Iraq does not inspire volunteers?
Wrong.
Al qaeda has an easy time getting volunteers!
Wrong strategy, lies, ineptness, and neocons are responsible for the debacle.
And listen folks, we are not moving out of there until the permanent bases (14) are up and running. And the oil infrastructure is secure.
That means a groan and a moan of a long time.
I have said it before and I will say it again, rhetorically: What makes the Americans think that violence will end once they have permanent bases in Iraq? The Iraqi freedom fighters are making it clear that there will be violence and death for as long as there is a foreign military presence there.
Exactly, VeryWorried #4.
That’s why we’ve been under attack for so many years, but the Chicken War Hawks and fear-based Republicans can’t wrap their little brains around that one – that added to their mental illness, xenophobia, that causes them to have the "gotta get ‘them’ before ‘they’ get us" mindset.
Krohn has it half right. The failure to find WMDs is part of it, but even more important is the fact that Bush proclaimed "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" over two years ago, and all the deaths and almost all the casualties have come AFTER THAT.
Novak is probably running interference for the Bush administration at this point. Throw out a few devil’s advocate questions, see how people react. He absolutely isn’t to be trusted.
Robert Novak has zero integrity. He’s a political whore in a vest. I suggest ignoring him completely.
LOL!! RLM #6 – couldn’t agree more! Whenever I write CNN I always end by asking why Nofacts is on tv and not in jail. Still haven’t figured out why he’s off the hook for outing Plame???
Back in the days when I still watched CNN, I wrote regularly, requesting that Novak be removed – for a number of good and sufficient reasons. And I promised never to watch a program including him, which vow I have kept. He’s a repellent, boorish, nasty little man.
You’re right, RLM – I don’t trust anything he says.
WE NEED TO START A "DRAFT THE CHICKEN HAWKS" CAMPAIGN"…
Brad, you really need to use a spell-checker, dude.
re #10: Let he who has never made a typo cast the first stone.
Well, when the republicans send their kids off to die, the problem will be solved! Do the math neocons!
Winter P #11 –
He couldn’t think of anything else to say.
"draft"? –Rangle’s an idiot! The bushmob will get its cannon fodder and the Demo will get the blame, and the repug offsprings will never go to the front lines-unless an individual has a specific blood thirst.
The code phrase "gotta get them before they get us" Kira referred to in #5 is meant to stir the sheep into battle while the wolves pack ‘their’ bags with loot and avoid all harm by making a quick escape via stage ‘Right’, destination Omaha.
I thought the most telling lines of that Novak column were the two that referred to 9/11.
I don’t have a copy in front of me, but the gist of it was that 9/11 didn’t draw as many recruits to volunteer for Iraq as they had believed it would. WTF?!!!!
Never mind the standard disconnect trying to link 9/11 and Iraq. Taken literally and dissecting verbs accurately, his piece says 9/11 was a plot designed as a pathway to start war in Iraq.
At least, that was how I read that
re #15 MG That’s the way I read it too, and the exact wording was:
Geesh #15 & #16 — oh god. I didn’t catch that.
That’s like the latest bu$h Freudian slip:
"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." Herr Duhbya
Robert Lockwood Mills #6: Yes, I agree. NOTHING any of the Repubs *SAY* can be trusted! When I see one actually *DO* the right things, then (maybe) I will believe.
The first word out of these people’s mouthes when they were babes was a lie. The truth isn’t in them.
#15, #16: Yep. I’ve been saying that since it happened. 9/11 always was a fraud.
"Catapult the propaganda?" That means to send information or misinformation, as if by missile, that is designed to help or hurt someone. In other words, emulate Karl Rove.
Sometimes even imbeciles tell the truth without realizing it. Why do they continue to send this guy out in public? He thinks he’s Churchill, but he sounds more and more like Professor Irwin Corey every day.
If Krohn isn’t blaming Bush or Rumsfeld for the situation, then who is to blame? Or is it just one of those "shit happens" things?
{ed note: Deleted. Same poster posting as different names. When he posts as Atty Jim again his posts will be allowed to stay.}
Zealous, we SHOULD ask Iraq’s permission to maintain a base there. And we also SHOULD have asked Muslims in Saudi Arabia (instead of only the non-religious oil sheiks) if it was OK to build an army base on sacred Muslim ground.
But WE DIDN’T ASK PERMISSION, AND WE WON’T. Bush and Rumsfeld always just do whatever they want. Which is the whole point, sir! We invaded a sovereign country that wasn’t threatening us, which was bad enough; but it turned out our excuse was itself illegitimate…based on phony intelligence and lies.
Now you’re suggesting that plans were in place all along to plan for an orderly occupation? Hello? Didn’t Bush tell us the "mission was accomplished" two years ago?
It’s hard to tell from your posting if you have a plan for exiting Iraq or not. Please elucidate.
zealous #21, all religion "is the real enemy [to] fear". Religion has caused more war and bloodshed than anything else in Human history.
Singling out any one religion is myopic at best.
He’s still the Prince of Darkness. In fact, his willingness to lie in the past to tow the party line, as well as his continuing to refuse to tell who gave him Valerie Plame’s identity prove that.
All these staunch Republicans aren’t suddenly being noble. They just know Bush is a sinking ship and since he can’t run for a third term they have nothing to gain by being loyal. These "rats abandoning a sinking ship" aren’t coming around, they are simply doing what they always do…bailing out and avoiding their share of the responsibility for covering up and glossing over all the bad policies that got them this far. It’s sill a lie and even more dispicable than ever. What happened to their belief in not flip-flopping? Or doing what is right and not popular? Or sticking to their proverbial guns? All BS.
Novack shouldn’t be commended because the second a new candidate for President shows up NOvack will just go back to doing what he always does. Lying and towing the party line no matter how much damage it does. And five years from now he’ll still be talking about Bush Jr as the new Reagan and praising him whenever he gets the cahnce.
{ed note: Deleted. Same poster posting as different names. When he posts as Atty Jim again his posts will be allowed to stay.}
Check out TBR.news.org. I have seen many of their remarks become actuality. Today they say the military.cia, business and banking are angry at their leader and are going to get rid of him. Oh, and the media will be on board. For Novak to criticize…maybe
Molly! Thanks for the TBR heads-up! Great articles. I was ROTFLMAO while reading The Voice of the White House.
Let’s just accentuate the positive!
MG #15
‘They’ had to link 911 with Iraq!
Two reasons-1. so ‘they’ could attack Iraq as planned, and 2. so ‘they’ would divert attention from 911 in order to prevent a full and complete investigation!
And so ‘they’ could put the damning evidence into a "National security" vault. What hit the Pentagon is on tape! But out of reach. Why did building 7 drop like a planned demolition? And the twin towers too?
I think either nothing hit the pentagon, and the tapes would show that or it was missle launced by a quick fly-by which would mean all the protection was disabled, and the tapes would show that. Whatever it was it was not flight 77!
The first place to start is with a ‘toss out of the White Wash report’ and an appointment of an Independant Counsel, fully funded!
Cole – building 7 was a planned demolition. (!!!!!)
Larry Silverstein on the record
[snip] "Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, ‘America Rebuilds’ that he and the NYFD decided to ‘pull’ WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word ‘pull’ is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives." [MORE]
Hi Cole #14 – I have to respectfully disagree with you here. Rangel’s a hero in my eyes, as he’s attempting to get the American people to conisder and discuss this military, diplomatic, social, etc., debacle in a meaningful way. Sadly, many otherwise fine Americans won’t even begin to consider what this war’s all about unless it touches their lives directly. Remember, it was the draft in particular that got Americans stirred up about their government’s Viet Nam policy. When a cause is just no draft is needed. When even the "low-hanging fruit" won’t volunteer, the lack of justice in the cause is revealed for all to see. Let’s have a thorough discussion of this issue and all associated issues. Bring it on!
It is the case that Nofacts was reticent on going to Iraq. Whatever he is he knows, like the rest of us did before the war, that there were no appreciable WMD in Iraq and that this was was simply one of choice.
The problem with the foreign policy apparatus in the middle east is quite simply we haven;t historically given a damn about human rights and the people of the middle east know this even if our government pretends not to. Where was the issue of human rights when we overthrew the elected government of Iran in the 50s? Where was the idea of human rights when we were supporting the Pahlavi regime? The idea when we supported the Ba’athists? The idea when we gave aid to a fascist group in Lebanon called the Christian Phalangists? The idea as we support the bloody Saud regime? The terror on the Arabian peninsula is less about the bases and more about the security state that we have helped build and run for several decades. The bases were simply the last straw, so to speak.
All this stuff about constitutionality is so much hogwash. Its just like they say over at the IMF and World Bank: we can set up an elected government to function any way we want. These people dont hate us because we’re infidels, the hate us because we helped dig the mass graves.
Kira #27 I went to that site too.
I really wish trolls and other fascist wannabes would just get this one:
“That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
-Theodore Roosevelt
Dear MSM, it is Civics 101, and American Citizenship 101 you gotta replace with your decadent Product Conveyer Belt 101.
It is precisely because we have never believed in the maxim "My country, right or wrong" or "My president, right or wrong" that we achieved moral leadership in the world in the first place.
If we retreat into servility or if we yield to fear we will forfeit that moral leadership. In the eyes of much of the world, we have already done so.
Got Troops?
Link to PNAC
Letter to Senate Leaders from the Project for a New American Century dated 01/2005
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One of these days I’ll learn how to make a link correctly.
PNAC Letter to Congress on Increasing U.S. ground forces.
Go to…
http://www.newamericancentury.o...e-20050128.htm
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Who’s Bob Novak? What’s CNN?
re #34, #35 — it’s fixed now … you just made a spelling mistake on the link in #34 … 😉
Who’s Bob Novak? A thoroughly untrustworthy guy with a personal agenda who occasionally attracts undue attention by making remarks that seem contrary to that agenda…in order to fool people into believing he’s an objective reporter. NOT!
(oh…and he should be in jail for exposing a C.I.A. operative, but inside-the-beltway big shots haven’t gone to jail since the days of Watergate)
What’s CNN? A network that tries to be all things to all people, and fails miserably. It’s all things to nobody, or nothing to everybody, depending on the issue it’s covering.
Novak is about the most common Czech surname, it means something like Newcomer or Beginner, but I can tell you, having lived in the CheeZee Republic for nigh unto 15 years, it’s his very innate Czechness that makes him what he is. I can hardly wait to get back to where Czechs are a tiny minority (and let’s not forget Senator Roman Hruska (Czech for Pear) of Nebraska, defending G. Harold Carswell, I believe it was, against attacks during his Supreme Court confirmation hearings that he was "mediocre": "A majority of the people in this country are mediocre, and they deserve representation on the Supreme Court too!") instead of the overwhelming, xenophobic majority. Thanks for the chance to vent! Don’t trust that SOB farther than you’d allow yourself to get close to him!
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