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Kira I think you need to get bold and call. mwhahah I did.

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Well, JPentz, I've been trying to come up with a good question for Mr. McGovern and I think I have one. If I get too tied up with multitasking I will post my question and one of the 6 or 7 will hopefully call in and ask!

Sounds GREAT!! I had a feeling tonight's show would be PERFECT!

Way to be Kira! You're an awesome thread host!!

Awwww :blush: Thanks, Jen!

Hi, all! Sounding good!

God! Sensenbrenner sounds like a toad...no, that's insulting to toads.

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This could provide some good material for questions for Bob Fitrakis later tonight. He might be willing to comment if someone could have him take a look.

Bev Harris has just posted a lengthy, thoughtful response to the questions I posed re: John Conyers, Michigan obstructiveness to FOIA requests and related topics. See here.

This should be obligatory reading for all Brad Bloggers. Harris talks about the kinds of specific reforms that are needed, reflects on current legislation ("blemish removal" and "makeup" v.s. "rebuild the system"), and suggests an amnesty for cooperative election officials as one of the crucial ingredients to get successful results. She also talks about some pending legal actions. (It would be interesting to ask Bob Fitrakis to comment on Harris' various suggestings regarding true election reform.)

Harris also describes the nature of the problems with the Michigan Secretary of State and the Michigan State Elections Office regarding FOIA requests. She has supportive words for Conyers and mentions which areas might be the most productive for his office to focus on.

I hope everyone interested in election reform and restoring democracy wll read this post and share it with their friends.

Mention it on the show tonight!

No kidding, Peg C. #13!

I hate giving reference to animals when referring to these people. Animals and even bugs are waaayyy more decent.

yes they do suck. LOL you made me laugh brad

Haha! Brad just said Bloggers surpass the 3 cable news networks combined (as a source of news for Americans under 55 yrs.) viewership --- I think I heard that right!

WooHoo!

Speaking of Howard Dean:

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Here's a brief excerpt from the recent BBV post about election reform
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Election reform is splitting into two camps:

- The "work within the establishment" camp, which is focusing on blemish removal

- The "rebuild the system" camp which is focusing on more permanent solutions, starting with addressing the core problems that have turned our democracy into a sham. Black Box Voting is in the "rebuild the system" camp, and we aren't particularly interested in blemish removal.

Rush Holt bill = blemish removal
Hillary bill = makeup to make it look nicer

Core problems identified by the "Rebuild the system" camp:
- Failure to count the real ballots
- Corporate funding of elected officials
- Corruption in the procurement process (undisclosed payments to/by lobbyists, kickbacks, contract steering)
- Negligent certification process
- Computerized voting systems that sacrifice auditing and security for "flexibility" (read: tamperability)
- Inappropriate privatization of election systems
- Problems with access to public records, Freedom of Information access, such that election results cannot be substantiated at all

We LOVE Howard Dean for speaking THE TRUTH!!!

We have to stand together and support our non-republican base.

Give a screeeeam for Deeeean!

Hello Brad,

Quick one...

You started talking about how important it was that Sensenbrenner (sp?) walked out and shut down the meeting prior to the "opposition" (and, hey, aren't we all supposed to be on the same side?) but didn't bring your point home.

The "dems" called for the archane rule 11, but was it acknowledged? What are the ramifications?

More as I keep listening.

Keep it up, bro!
Bill

Catherine A #21 -

Truly alarming. Let's get Dean on it, 'cause he doesn't mind a blemish or two and certainly doesn't believe in makeup!

#15, avoid anything said by Bev Harris. She is a fraud of the highest order and as I understand it she is currently being investigated for misappropriation of donations.

There is along sorted history dealing with this women. I suggest you dig a little deeper before spreading her words.

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Before you sign that petition have a look at this

Seems like Dean has sold out. Perhaps this was the price of his advancement within the party.

Andrea Lindsey, Animal Rights activist... er, Terrorist? - The SHAC7.com

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Catherine A #21 - EXCELLENT! Thank you so much! I posted the link to Bev's answers to your questions over to CCN. Needs to be spread around the blogsphere!

Hi KIRA,
Good to see ya in the hot seat!

Good SHAC story.

Regarding Bev Harris --- let's don't throw the baby out with the bath water. She has given us an awful lot of FOIA material and has had to pay (sometimes dearly) for that information.

Let's don't shoot the messenger!

G'day Bushw@cker! Thanks for your support!

Thank you, Torqued, for the links!

listen i'm just trying to bring people up to speed and I really don't want to take away the energy on this thread.

I'm a life long Democrat and have followed Bev Harris and BBV almost from the start. It wasn't until I read thorough threads over at Democratic Underground that I found out just how vile Harris is.

I'll leave it at that and leave others to look further into it for themselves. I bring this up only out of concern for legitimate e-voting reform done by Velvet Revolution and others.

Please look into it further.

Hey all 6 or 7 of you --- join in the Blog! Remember, "Resistance is Futile."

Let's hear your thoughts ...

Catherine A #27 -

I don't share that gentleman's views. I just watched Dean on C-Span, chairing a meeting of the DNC. He's candid, outspoken, speaks openly about hypocrisy and "values," and seems to be what we need, what with all those Bidens and Liebermans and Hillarys running around. Talk about sell-outs!

Dean is and has always been violently opposed to the Iraq war, regarding it as illegal and immoral.

Sorry to disagree

Concerned Reader,

I hope we will all be very aware of all information we receive. I, personally, have followed Bev Harris' work since last year and know that there is much she has brought to attention that is absolutely accurate.

We all must do as much research as possible to corroborate any "evidence" we encounter along this journey of "busting" the thieves!

Thanks for your input!

#27 Catherine , what is your agenda here today. You come in here pushing two issues that are total negatives to our movemnet and party.

Dean has far from sold out. Dean has the balls to speak out against this adminstartion. what part of that concerns youand what are you doing pushing rightwing talking points for?

I find this person highly suspect!

#37 you are incorrect. It wasn't Harris who did all that work but instead a few others that worked with her behind the scenes that have now left.

Like I said you don't have the real story. Trust when i tell you this. Start looking into names like Andy Stephenson ( Andy co authored the BBV book but recieved NO credit) and David Allen.

Hi Concerned Reader,

I have followed Catherine A's comments since last year and know that she has a very sincere concern for the reclaiming of our Democracy. I may disagree with a few of her beliefs, but mostly I do agree with her.

I back Dean on his recent comments, but disagree with his statements at times, too.

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Concerned Reader #15,

Harris has answered this nonsense in comprehensive detail on the BBV website. Update yourself before repeating mischief-making allegations that are untrue. There were challenging situations with a former employee--perhaps you are one of his friends. The full facts are on the BBV website if you are interested in knowing more.

If you're interested in factual election info and not rumors the BBV website is one of many excellent resources. One of the things I respect is their integrity, including addressing questions such as the rumor you have raised. However, if you don't read the website to see the response then you'll continue in your current state of misinformation.

By the way, BBV has begun posting the actual scanned files from the audits they are doing. Lots more material is still to come. Palm Beach has already failed its audit based on the info supplied. They had to take a lawsuit even to get this incomplete info. It is a real scandal--one voting machine results tape was run weeks before the Nov. 2 election. Other voting machines do not show up on the counting computer log. Many of the poll tapes are unsigned (2 signatures are required by state law.) Touch-screens were being recalibrated throughout the day of the election, and even during the middle of the night. There are lots more anomalies--thousands of them, all with the original documentation. This is explosive material--and a great resource for those who like facts and original documentation.

sorry to say but to go along with what is written in this thread is to only show one's lack of information dealing with these two particular subject.

Once again, Harris is a fraud! I say this with all the concern I have for our party. She is a registered postinmg member of the FreeRepublic. She may have misappropriated huge amounts of donations ( ask radio host Randy Rhodes) Randy confronted Harris on live radio and Harris went into a stammering mess trying to explain and couldn't. last i heard she is being investigated for these actions.

Harris has taken credit for the BBV movement while others who worked with her did all the work. These peopel have left. Since their leaving Harris has now started major smear campaigns on each of these people.

Cool, Torqued! Thanks for posting #41

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#44 LOL, How lovely she answwered it huh? Listen Catherine you have almost NO knowledge concerning any of this. Harris's site is a sham, The board of directors are handpicked family and friends and all those who were there in the beginning are now grouping to perhaps file various charges on her.

Bear in mind Harris is PR person by trade but in the last few months everything is catching up with her very quickly. She can only PR herself for so long.

You are grossly misinformed.

Nothing less than the truth!!! (I'm echoing Kira)

Seek it honestly and then act on it.

Hi all. Sorry I missed the first part of the show. Glad to be here though for this segment!

Re: Dean,

I'd love to know he is what he seemed to be before the election. I have no first-hand basis for believing or not believing today's Alternet article. Has Dean spoken out about the Iraq war recently? Maybe he has to toe a certain line at certain party functions in response to major corporate donors. (As party leader he may be coming under lots more pressure to placate big corporate donors.) Has Dean been as outspoken as he used to be?

I am raising a question, not expressing an opinion. From where I live I don't hear about what he is up to these days. It's wise to check out these things and not make assumptions.

I heard they found the WM .... wooooops ... sorry ... mistake.

Concerned Reader - what question do you have for retired CIA analyst Mr. Ray McGovern or The Freeway Blogger or Bob Fritakis of the Columbus Free Press?

Get Vocal!

This'll be good...Fitrakis

I agree with twenty-five. I don't trust Harris either. Too much iffy stuff going on there. I'd stick with Conyers and the people with Brad.

It's amazing how much time folks like Fitrakis have literally donated to keeping the election stuff public.

Bob Fitrakis of The Free Press is co-author of the blockbuster new book, Did George W. Bush Steal America's 2004 Election? Ohio's Essential Documents, by Bob Fitrakis, Harvey Wasserman and Steve Rosenfeld (767 pages).

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It takes five minutes between my post and the screen coming back up again. Darn dial-up!

#54 point taken and I'm sorry for taking energy away from the show but I couldn't let something so serious go by without addressing it.

I'm through, enjoy the show ( I know I am) and please look further into what i raised.

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT! IMPEACH BUSH!

In wondering why the Dems who are aware of election fraud so quiet about it - is it possible they are playing along to keep their jobs?

- from ms in la at Clark Community Network...

"Ben Nelson lost his 1996 Senate run to Chuck Hagel. Hagel was running the company who counted the votes (AIS, later known as ESS). Nelson was leading in the polls 65% to 18%. Hagel, a relative unknown, had not even lived in Nebraska for over 20 years; Nelson had been a popular Governor. ESS is based in Nebraska. Hagel, ESS Chairman and major investor in their parent company-- came from behind, after his own tabulators counted the votes, and won with 56% in a surprise upset. First Republican Senate winner in Nebraska in 24 yrs.

Ben Nelson KNOWS he has a greater need to appeal to the powers that be than to the constituency. All the constituency do is pretend to vote. The powers that be do the "counting".

I repeat: The ones who've experienced this curious midnight tabulator switch close-up in their own careers are all the same ones who are cozying up to the right...They know to whom they are beholden. Watch them and you'll see it clearly."

You Go!! Concerned Reader!

We demand the TRUTH!!!

Thank you.

Correction - The cal in number is 323-650-1286
Sorry!

Blackwell has access to central tabulators from his office?
Oh my god...

Hi Kira,
About Harris if she is so trusted why has she not proven it? Why hasn't she shown these tapes she supposivley have? Why does she post at Free Repulic? Ha!

Yikes!!!

Bob Fitrakis: Deep Throats and Stolen Votes

KICK IT!! Brad and Bob

I still believe there has been an infiltration into the Democratic party by Republicans masquerading as Democrats. It's becoming apparent as time goes by ... take a look at the Sherole Eaton entry on Bradblog front page (ref: DU Sherole Eaton Attends Hocking Democrat Meeting

The two Hocking "democrat" Board of Election members, Susie Hughes and Gerald Robinette were present at the meeting. It was these two individuals that had voted for Diebold and voted along with the Republicans to fire Sherole.

Bruce Johnson stated to Gerald Robinette, “We will have a recommendation of who we want to become the next Deputy Director” and asked “Will you follow our recommendation?”

Gerald Robinette replied, “No, I cannot say that we will” and added, “We normally just go along with whomever the Republicans want”

What has happened to the extra money that Kerry got from his campaign that he didn't spend?

I typed the last very quickly- my impression has been that the Kerry campaign had a lot of $$ left over after the campaign, which hadn't been used to support Dems, and hasn't been used for an investigation to "make sure every vote counts" or what ever it was that Kerry promised. Hope this makes sense.

Bob Fitrakis is a TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT!

Thank you Bob for documenting the chicanery of the Presidential Election of 2004.

You're one of our Heroes!!!

VG #70 -

Still waiting to find out, aren't we?

It's worse than the Ukraine!!!

Brad/Kira, questions for Fitrakis--

How can Brad Bloggers best support Fitrakis and others in achieving election reform?

What does Fitrakis think of proposed legislation (Holt's bill and Clinton's bill)?

What election reforms does he think are most important?

It'd be interesting to hear his observations on Harris' list posted at #21 above.

Hi Peg C. What I didn't say is that was a possible question for Fitrakis... I'd like to hear what he says about this....

I thought I'd missed something, but apparently not!!!!

Somebody call in and ask Bob Fitrakis about Kerry Coffers before it's too late!

Catherine A, can you call in?

Thank you for Neil Young, Brad!!

...the cached Kerry coffers?

Don't forget, you can support The BRAD SHOW and get a signed copy of Bob Fitrakis new book, Did George W. Bush Steal America's 2004 Election? Ohio's Essential Documents for a modest $100.00 donation!

Hi Brad. You're doing very well with the show. No problems so far.

Yes! The show is going GREAT!!

For Bob: So what happened to the money?

Bev Harris is one of the most calmest, rational people on election reform. She has verified her information to an almost boring degree. Freepers are scared, hence tolls today.

Check it out!! Just reported at Raw Story:

Bomb Drops in Britain!!! Via Raw Stor Breaking News

Brad, here's the Times article

Times link here

Oops --- typo --- "Story"

Catherine A. --- You Go Girl!!! Thanks for calling in!

PNAC!!!

Sorry I can't hear his answer to my question!

Re: paper ballots, I hope he mentions we also have to make sure those paper ballots get counted!

Fitrakis wants to go 100% paper ballots, but his comment (as best as I can relay) was that Diebold solution is totally electronic, including voter registration, so effectively, they can create their own voters!!

RE: COMMENT #18 [link]

"Brad just said Bloggers surpass the 3 cable news networks combined (as a source of news for Americans under 55 yrs.) viewership --"

Advice: Exclude no one (even if over 55). You have no idea who is what age here or there. Some may, indeed surprise you! Conyers himself reads. Not a big thing! Some even listen to the shows. Some even contribute.

BTW how old is GWBush? Has he ever read a real book? "They" are the party of exclusion!

In case you need another question for Bob- When/if is Blackwell going to come to grief- get exposed- get jailed, or whatever?

The slow connection I'm listening to must have about a two-and-a-half-minute time delay. Catherine A's call just ended for me.

Kira #86 --

Check... no, CHECKMATE! Thanks for the link! Thanks to RAW STORY and The Sunday Times! Wow....

Good point, Lindy! Wonder what the combined figure is, don't you?

Lindy #93 -

W is 58. We grduated from college in the same year. Yes, there are lot of grandmas and grandpas out here!

Bev Harris is a joke. Just ask anybody at Democratic Underground.

Did Fitrakis say Samual Bush was giving no-bid contracts to Rockefeller's steel business in WWI? Was Samuel Prescott's dad?

Concerned reader, I'm sure you mean Katherine Harris, right?

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Emily #99 - maybe in another thread please? Thanks!

Oh Nooooo! We forgot to mention COINGATE!!!

It's Bev Harris and yes on Samuel Bush. Research Prescott. He gave money to Hitler in WW2.

Some of us are listening, Braddo.

Rhodes a bookie?

I think all those involved in coingate were involved in the election fraud.

Woops, I meant some of us in Southern California are listening!

Awesome show tonight Brad! This is your greatest hit and WE are the MEDIA!

#101, NO, I mean Bev but too much focus is being taken away from the show. We can discuss this at length on another day in an open thread.

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You're doing great! I've bookmarked them (last week, actually).

Please have Firtakis back. I'd love that. He gave a lot of good information. He's great!

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I can't call. Dial-up...I'd lose the connection.:-(

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Ray McGovern's Bio

Oldies but goodies: The Crazies Are Back: Bush Sr's CIA Briefer Discusses How Wolfowitz & Allies Falsely Led the U.S. To War

Cheney Chicanery

Corrupted Intelligence

We need more people to step forward! I wish more people would do so. It's so sad not many people would do that. I so don't like how whistleblowers are treated in this country. I know they're probably afraid for their life.
I remember sometime last year the democrats were having a hearing on various things with Iraq and they invited republicans but none showed up (go figure) and there were supposed to be whistleblowers there but they all declined because they were threatned with their life. Don't forget there's Sibel Edmons. She's been fighting but keeps coming up in corners. I hope she's going to be at Conyers' event.

Wow, McGovern is fantastic!

Mr. Ray McGovern is saying that it's very sad nowadays that we don't have people (journalists) who are willing to take a stand and speak out when there is an obvious (should I say LIE?) discrepancybetween what is really happening and what the White House wants reported.

Thanks emily for your comments #121. Good points.

Hi Kira,

You are doing a great job hosting the open thread.
Unfortunately I am not able to listen to Brad right now, but am looking forward to listening to the archives.

If those of you reading this didn't see it, Americablog had
a link to an excellent short video re: 14 Points of Fascism

http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html

This really is a must see video for those of us concerned about democracy in America.

Question for McGovern if possible:

What is his opinion on the various numbers of Iraqi dead from this war? Iraqbodycount.com reports 20,000-30,000 "confirmed" dead from the papers, and they state not "possible or probable deaths" but actually published. Then the Lancet report estimates around 100,000 total (including Iraqi military) with a large margin of error. Both sides politically pick their favorite number of the two and use that as arguing grounds.

What can McGovern say about the likely numbers?

Wow! Ray McGovern is a TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT!!

Thank you Mr. McGovern!

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Don't be fooled by Cheney Brad. Cheney's always been a jerk. If y'all haven't check out http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and see the Cheney unofficial biography. Oy!

Ray McGovern exposes major press coverup:
All Mosquitos, No Swamp; No Elephants Either

On Bush:
Proof Bush Fixed The Facts

On Bolton:
Bolton Confirmation Would Shatter Intelligence Analysts' Morale

On Porter Goss:
Cheney's Cat's Paw - Porter Goss as CIA Director?

On Iran:
McGovern on the Iranian and Israeli nuclear programs

On the neocons:
27 Year CIA Analyst Ray McGovern, on George Tenet, Neocons, 911

Can you ask McGovern about Skull and Bones? Where does it fit into the current picture, if at all?

I just sent you an email with an excel file with the names. It's from internet info.

A few of the names Bob was mentioning rang a bell bec. of my having made this file. That's why I'm asking.

Hi Alison #125!

It's really great that Brad archives all his shows, so we can listen to them over & over if we so desire! I wish you could be listening along with us. You will enjoy it when Brad posts the mp3 files!

The 14 points of fascism are, what I would agree, a must read.

How sad they don't count bodies anymore. I don't think we'd ever know.

Great show this week Brad. No Brad News Bears! Ray McGovern is one of my heroes. If his info was in mainstream, we could have saved 10s of thousands of lives. Very sad that America lives in such violent ignorancel

I can't call in. I have one line dial-up. Other wise I would for the first time.. Bradblog has inspired me to send many letters, also for the first time.

Thanks, Torqued.

#123 --- Ray McGovern was saying that the newspapers wouldn't publish whistleblower, Pentagon Papers kind of stuff anymore. So, leak it to Brad Blog, Raw Story, or another independent source.

Echo Peg C. #135

Laurence Britt identifies 14 characteristics common to fascist regimes. PDF Here.

Good Arry #136

I really hope someone comes out. I think we need someone... I think things are going to get worse too. I hope Fitzegerald comes out. His bosses probably won't let him come out with info.

A question for Mr. Ray McGovern (since there are 3 callers ahead of me! Yay.)

What's your opinion regarding the fact that Pesident Bush is trying to blame the FBI & the CIA for not notifying him with the information they had prior to 9/11 regarding a possible terrorist attack on a building by a hijacked plane?

Brad asked if the CIA kills people, The question is do you think the administration has people who would kill a whistle blower.

Ray McGovern will testify in the House next Thursday, June 16, 2005:
House Judiciary Democrats to hold hearings on Downing Street minutes

Attention 6 or 7 Squad!

Call C-Span and have them cover the hearing with Representative John Conyers on the Downing Street Minutes --- Mr. Ray McGovern will be speaking in that hearing.

Go 6 or 7 Squad!

Thanks Torqued!

Food for thought --

Where I live, an average dinner out for 2 costs about $35. The cost of a movie plus drink & snack costs about $35. A concert would costs between $50 and $100.

Remember our right and ability to hear the truth is at stake.

Sensenbrenner won't be any where near the mic or the gavel neither! Wake the kids!

Thanks Brad for the AUSSIE ACDC!

NJust having made a deal with a Republican to have him read the transcript of Truth Uncovered if I'd read 44 chapters of Genesis, I noted our good pal Ray McGovern is in that as well.

Well worth the watch - with many such as McGovern corroborating, well, the lies of the Iraq War. The transcript of the movie is available as a free pdf on the front page:

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Thank you, Thank you Mr. McGovern. How can the 6 or 7 of us help you?

I mailed Brad a contribution today before I learned of Bob Fitrakis book offer.

Don't let that happen to you, every $100.00 donation. gets a copy of Did George W. Bush Steal America's 2004 Election? Ohio's Essential Documents, by Bob Fitrakis, Harvey Wasserman and Steve Rosenfeld (767 pages)

Everybody should go to http://www.mininova.org and check out the documentary "Loose Change" and "9/11: Rise to Martial Law." Thank you Brad for having Mr. McGovern on your show and I hope you have him back!

Brad, I missed the phone number!

Check out www.NeoConned.com

Are you fed up with Bush?

SeeingTheForest.com

Thank you VERY MUCH, Ray McGovern!

By the way, the FBI was at the Florida flight school director's house 4 hours after the planes struck! Bad intelligence?

Yay Peg C! Good point.

THAT WAS AN AWESOME INTERVIEW WITH MCGOVERN!!! WOOHOO!!!

I think I had a bad link in #154 --- this should work:

www.NeoConned.com

Ok, on to the Freeway Blogger!

www.Freewayblogger.com

Phone # for Ray McGovern's book (since she's just too slow to get it! --- 1-877-447-7737

I was going to do this () and say Yay Brad, however, after the last comment ...

Yes, you are our warrior, Brad! Thank you for your heartfelt sacrifices in defense of our crumbling Democracy!

We love you!

Freeway knows how to have fun.

Kira #160 -

Substitute this:

What slogans does FB suggest right now? I am in a Red State-- GA in Atlanta-- good freeway access but rainy weather.

Ideas:

What has Bush done for you lately?

Impeach Bush.

True Christians don't support Bush.

Jesus wouldn't bomb Iraq.

Bush lies. Your liberties die.

Can you ask FB to comment on the suggestions, and/or suggest some better ideas for text?

Thank you Peg C #163!! I need to remember that one! Haha!

Good questions, Valley Girl! #164

Hey Brad, I can't call in, but I hope you will ask my question.

Phone in, Valley Girl (or any of you other communicators out there - I know we are 6 or 7 ...!)

1-323-650-1286

Thank you for the work you're doing for bring awareness to the public! We can be creative and break the silence!

Here's a link just mentioned by Brad:
Take to the Hills .Org

I meant to say thank you to Freeway Blogger in my #168!

The Brad Show Sponsors who help keep him on the air bringing us interviews with people we won't hear on any MSM news:

OpTruth.org

TrueBlueLiberal.com

VotersUnite.org

SeeingTheForest.com

DateOfReturn.com

Give them a visit tonight in thanks for helping to bring us the truth!

Ahem! Why am I the only one talking ????

Victoria Parks

Great Music!!

THANK YOU, Kira, for hosting! THANK you, Brad, for all you do!!

Hi Kira,

Sorry, I can't phone in and listen at the same time. I've only got a dial-up connection, and my cell phone doesn't work in my GA brick abode. Sigh.

VG

Kira #171 -

Clearing my throat on dial-up takes a while.

Awesome show! Thanks Brad, Kira, Bob, Ray, Andrea, Freeway and everyone here. Who loves ya!

Brilliant show Brad!
.....as ya say one in a row!!

Hey! One Perfect Show in a Row! YeeHaw!

Thanks everybody for hanging in with us tonight! Thanks Brad, Kat, Eddie, David Edwards, Jaime, & all the rest!

Thanks to Andrea Lindsey, Ray McGovern, Bob Fitrakis, & the Freeway Blogger!

Excellent Show everyone!

This song has me in tears...

THANK YOU GUYS! One in a row that wasn't messed up! We're goin' for two baby! Back next week!

Thanks KIRA and everyone else! Gotta clear outta here...so please spread the word and tell folks to listen up to the re-broadcast tomorrow! What a rockin' show methinks!

PEACE!

Hey Bradbloggers --- Y'all really ROCK!!!

Liberal Hugs all around!

Kira

Wonderful, fantabulous show!!! WOW...

Can we have the link to the vote cheating song again, pretty please?

Haha Peg C! You keep me laughing! Thank you!!

Is it the link in #172, Threadjacker?

Phew! I'm emotionally drained. This was SO good!

There it is! Under audio!

Thank you very much, Ms Kira ma'am.

Thank you, Brad and Kira.

The freeway blogger was great.

Also --- thanks to Torqued who took up the slack when I was caught slacking off tonight!

Thank you Torqued! :glowing heart:

I don't know how do download MP3 or even whether I can.

Hi All!!

Thanks for everything this evening! WHAT A SHOW!! Wow. Isn't Brad terrific? Imagine how he'd be with sleep!? Eddie --- WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU!

Link for "My Vote Don't Matter Anymore" is www.victoriaparks.com --- what an incredible song!!

Thanks Kira and everybody for your support and calls. Until next week!

Kat

Hi Peg - click on Victoria Parks Audio page

Then click on --- MyVoteDontMatterAnymore.mp3

You should get an option to save in a folder or to listen. I hope this helps!

'Night, all you lovely Bradvillians...

Hey Kat!

Thank you --- thank all of you! Huge Kisses mwa!

Thanks, Kira. I'll try that.

Thanks, Kat!

Love ya all, see ya tomorrow when 6 or 7 of us gather for another great day.

Threadjacker, I had missed your post #149

Could you restate your comment, as I'm not sure what you meant?

Thanks - Kira

I'm back. I know Brad doesn't think much of Wayne Madsen, but this report ties in so closely with what McGovern had to say this evening that I just had to come back with a link.

The Fall Guy!

Is it just us now - can I say (re: Bushwh@cker #200) Shit !!! ???

A Prevaricatorian.

Peg C: I think we can be assured of some of the information coming from Madsen to be very accurate. Who knows? Maybe time will prove him out.

So much that I at one time thought was impossible, I now know really happened.

We just need to keep researching and corroborating.

Love ya! Thanks for the link.

In case I was obtuse, I was playing on Praetorian when I typed Prevaricatorian.

Hi again! it's me, the slacker ... just got online and saw there were over 200 comments ... my first thought was "oh please don't let half of them say HELP! I CAN'T HEAR THIS" ... imagine my joy at reading them! ... congratulations on a big success. The thread is fantastic! Many thanks to all who contributed to it. Can't wait to hear the show myself ... If I miss it tomorrow afternoon (which is possible, given certain obligations) then I will have to wait until it appears in the archives ... [had to plug the archives, didn't I?] and if you missed it you can hear it too, as well as all the previous ones! ... just click here and follow your nose ... or ears ... or whatever ...

Thanks again to the lovely and talented Kira --- what a job you've done tonight! it raises the bar as far as I'm concerned and it's clear that I had better bring my 'A' game next Saturday ... Kira made a great point in comment #201 when she said "we ... need to keep ... corroborating" ... at first glance I read it wrong and thought she said "collaborating" ... of course we still need to do that too ...

Thanks again to Brad [who totally ROCKS] as well as all his friends in the studio and elsewhere who make this weekly show possible.

1) Brad and others--congrats on the show! I look forward to hearing it all when I can get to the computer that has a sound card. It was nice being able to phone in from Ireland. (I have this great UK-based cheap service called Telestunt that lets me make most international calls for the cost of a local (timed) phone call. Though I've heard from people with Caller ID that a strange UK phone number shows up!)

2) For those interested in knowing more about Bev Harris of BBV and her Free Republic postings, I did a search and got this.

It is illuminating. Some of this info she had already posted on BBV (her responses to some queries by a Republican poster)--see here and here.

Other material Harris posted on Free Republic was new to me and it made for interesting and revealing reading. I checked out some of the original threads as well, which was also revealing and amusing at times. It sure shows where individuals are coming from.

The BBV website also has a number of significant posts that were made to the Daily Kos website; see here. (see the ones near the very bottom of the thread as well as the ones near the top.) I have learned a lot by reading the responses to issues raised by others.

Enjoy!

http://www.waynemadsenre...ort.com/scoops/Lemme.htm

Can't pick up Brad's show here in Connecticut. At least, I don't know how. But I'm excited that it's such a success.

Just read the British story @rawstory.com. It just strengthens the case that the Downing Street minutes are deadly accurate. It mentions that the mainstream media here have ignored the story, and credits bloggers for keeping it alive. For those trolls who say we're irrelevant...hear, hear!

BUSH AND BLAIR DECIDED TO INVADE IRAQ MONTHS BEFORE THE DECISION WAS ANNOUNCED, AND LOOKED FOR A WAY TO MAKE IT APPEAR THE DECISION WAS SPONTANEOUS. THEY TRIED TO MAKE IT APPEAR THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN WASN'T COMPLYING WITH U.N. DIRECTIVES, WHEN IN FACT HE WAS. BUT THE INVASION HAD BEEN DECIDED ON, REGARDLESS.

#206, Catherine how nice of you to again bring up the subject of Bev Harris in this thread after being asked to please save it for another day. Here's some other info concerning the great Ms. Harris. I think you will be very interested in, enjoy.

Bev Harris accuses "Kerry Team" of FL election fraud.... http://www.democraticund...72706&mesg_id=372706

MSNBC's Keith Olberman and his strange dealings with Bev Harris goto Dec. 1 2004, 11:25 pm ..... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6533008/#041201a

Randy Rhodes radio interview confronting Bev Harris.... http://legion.gibbering.net/eik/bev.mp3

Bev Harris being investigated.... http://www.democraticund...s=203×375823#376000

Hi Concerned #209,

I've just read the entire first thread you posted. Having also read all the other material (links posted in #206, and I also looked at the original FR posts lest I miss something important), I'm surprised you think there's anything in that thread that makes Bev Harris or BBV looks bad. It's rants and accusations with no substance. Have you kept up with the documentation coming out of BBV? Have you read the links posted in #206? They answer questions folks have raised at various points in time. The documentation coming out of the audits is explosive stuff--I'm surprised you don't seem interested or aware. Have a look here if you're not sure what I'm talking about, and look at each thread (Anomaly list - continuing; Precinct Data list - continuing; About the WinEds Event Logs; About the 'card stuck' error).

I encourage all Brad Bloggers to look at this material for themselves and make up their own mind.

This reminds me of a pattern of trouble-makers who used to keep disrupting the BBV website last Nov. & Dec. Finally BBV moved to a secure server and a login system that required registering real information before being allowed to post and there is virtually no time-wasting disruption any more. This happened at the same time BBV had started to post sensitive meterial about its investigations.

The same thing seems to be happening here. BBV starts posting fairly explosing results of investigations and audits (with original scanned documents that speak for themselves), I link to them here, and now suddenly there appears to be another intense attempt to discredit Bev Harris/BBV.

I'd encourage anyone to have a read of all sides. I'll read the other threads Concerned posted, too--but I don't think I'll find anything new since these were dealt with comprehensively on the BBV website months ago.

If Brad Blog becomes a place where unsubstantiated flamings and character assassinations are tolerated and facts are ignored, then this blog isn't the place for honest, respectful discussion that I thought it to be.

Concerned #209,

1) The Olberman article from Dec. 04 you linked to had inaccuracies that reflected poorly on Olmerman and his staff, and that Bev Harris explained in detail 6 months ago. If you really want her to unarchive old material which is only related to previous smear attempts and not to any investigation, contact her and ask her to post it again.

2) Re: the Randi Rhodes show my computer doesn't have a sound card at the moment. Bev Harris also responded to that episode in detail about 6 months ago. If you want her to unarchive that old material which some people used in an unsuccessful attempt to discredit her, and to which she fully explained about 6 months ago, contact BBV and ask that this material be posted again.

3) Re: the last URL from DU, I followed all the links. If you actually bother to read the posts you see that there is no substance there--only another smear attempt. Others picked up very quickly what was going on. I quote from this one:

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"Perhaps its not coincidental that people are attacking the integrity of some very familiar actors within the vote fraud community.

"On edit: perhaps its also not coincidental that the DNC has changed fund raising strategies to rely more heavily on the internet then ever before. Someone seems to be sowing the seeds of distrust all over the web. ...I'd be looking out for these fires to spread further and hopefully someone more savvy then me is "imagining up" a solution.
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4) Concerned, Bev Harris has also been very open about her dealings with Andy Stephenson and others. This was also handled comprehensively about 6 months ago.

I am sure Stephenson may not like Harris. The only new material you have added here is the expression of surprise by Harris and others that the first postings Stephenson did after coming out of surgery was to start a campaign based on untrue allegations against Harris' children. If you think that reading this made me gain respect for Stephenson or lose respect for Harris, guess again. Nonetheless I wish him a speedy recovery. It is no fun being sick and having surgery. Stephenson has unquestionably done his bit for election reform, whatever his relationship with Bev Harris may be.

Stephenson is involved with VR (or at least he has posted there) and so is Brad. I have no idea whether there are any loyalties there that might hamper objectivity at Brad Blog. I would hope not.

If anyone else at Brad Blog has any substantive questions about Bev Harris or Black Box Voting that have not been previously addressed, ask her. As you can see from the links in #206, she answers questions. I don't see why she should have to spend time answering questions she answered 6 months ago in detail. If you are keen to find a legitimate concern to undermine BBV in the eyes of Brad Blog readers find something based on accurate, current information. I'd rather see Harris spend her time doing exactly what she is doing, investigating and auditing questionable elections.

If you are "Concerned" about election reform your time might be spent more productively looking at the voting machine records that have been posted and contacting your local press to publicize the anomalies.

I will not respond to any further postings of this sort; if anyone reads all these threads and still has any concerns about BBV they can contact BBV directly.

From my own observations at BBV, DU, Brad Blog and elsewhere, I have learned about the kinds of patterns of systemic disruption that are used to try to discredit people doing important work. It goes with the territory and is perhaps inevitable. The trouble is, it results in a lot of time-wasting that over time can diminish the focus and effectiveness of a group (which I assume is the purpose of the disruption). At some point Brad Blog might want to consider a more formal registration system if disruptive behavior becomes a problem--but hopefully that will not be necessary.

I will not take up any more bandwidth addressing Concerned's issues with BBV.

Onwards! There are plenty of issues out there crying out for more campaigns from the mighty "6 or 7"!

#210, Catherine that little list I put together was done in a matter of 5 minutes. As i've suggested through out this thread I encourage others to search out the more detailed information specifically at the Democratic Underground, which happens to be the largest site on the internet for Democrats.

By doing so you will find detailed posts by all the parties mentioned in the BBV.org scandal including Bev Harris herself who was a member until being banned for the second time. Her banning was do to a tactic she so enjoys using, that being the threat of law suits against anyone who dare speak out against her shady dealings.

Understand, I'm not her to convince you of anything or in anyway change your mind. I spoke up to counter your early post referring to Bev Harris as some kind of goto person in the work of e-voting fraud. I don't want readers of this blog to follow such false information.

Bev Harris has made most of her living ( until BBV.org was started) as a Public Relationship specialist, in other words she was a "spinner".

You know very very little of the entire subject dealing with this women. I wont even go into sites and fictitious awards that over night were bestowed on her as the real facts started to come out.... Yea, that doesn't sound like a PR campaign to me.

Based on how you also wrongly targeted Howard Dean in this thread but later went on to requalify what you meant pretty much shows how you gather your information. I suggest you get a little bit more involved with a subject before posting opinions you think are fact to a larger group of people.

I think I have done what was needed to counter your loving claim of the good Harris has done to the issue of e-voting fraud and reform.

When everything is said and done it will be shown that Bev Harris has given this very important subject a huge black eye that the right-wing slime machine will lap up.

Polite question for "concerned Reader", have you ever posted on BBV before using your current name or any other name?

I'm on the fence about Bev Harris. I usually go to votersunite.org for investigation into voting machines and such. I heard the Randi Rhodes interview and her inability to be reached for Kieth Olbermann during the Ohio debacle. It troubled me to say the least. I won't descredit her, but I won't defend her either. I'd like to trust her, but she makes it kind of hard. Regardless, there are a lot of other organizations that are trying to push forward on legitimate voting guidelines, many of them are on the Velvetrevolution links.

#213, No I haven't and actually I have never put myself into the Harris scandal situation before. As I stated a few times in this thread, I just felt i needed to let others know what I had come to find out.

I was a person who followed BBV.org and when I started reading the stories of Harris I was angry at those saying such things. That was until I read more into the situation.

When I read first hand accounts from Andy Stephenson and others I knew who was telling the truth. Understand Andy, just went through major surgery to remove a tumor from his pancreas. Right-wing nutjobs started a campaign to have that surgery cancelled at a major hospital. They have now set up a site trashing Andy as scam artist because many people donated thousands so he could have the surgery. All of this reads like a soap opera but sadly people had speak up to shut these sickening smears down.

If right-wing freeper groups feel so threatened by Andy you know the man is doing some pretty good work.

Do yourself a favor and look more into it. All the info you need can be found at DU.

Great Show!!
Great thread--!

Hi, WP -

Back to bed again, but just wanted to tell you - this one was dynamite!

'Night...

Pec C, re: my #27 and your #36 about Dean--

Your observations about Dean's recent speech were broadly in line with what was in the Alternet article. The article didn't claim Dean wasn't an inspiring speaker, and if I recall correctly they talked about his mentioning values. The author highlighted that in comparison to his pre-election persona, he was noticeably silent on the big issues--key issues that he had been vocal about in the past, and that needed to be spoken of, that are getting ignored by the media, and that Democratic party members longed to have spoken of (the Iraq war, Downing Street Minutes, corruption in Ohio, election reform)--yet instead he seemed to focus on generalities and style ("heart") rather than substance. It was a missed opportunity to get some of these issues into the spotlight, and in this context it was a worrying departure from his previous style.

That said, I'd agree with his point about communication style mattering, and that liberals/progressives in general tend to be more intellectual and tend to use reason, and that conservatives tend to appeal successfully to people at the emotional level, and Democratic party candidates need to learn from this. I see the same thing going on here in Ireland--the liberal parties use rational argument, but right-wing parties appeal to the gut and it works. So I don't think I'd disagree in principle with Dean's point about Democrats perhaps benefitting from a change in style.

But if in his new role Dean has to focus on raising the big bucks, and if in so doing he is more or less muzzled in how outspoken he can be (wouldn't want to annoy all those corporate donors) that would be a pity. It would cut him off from his grass-roots support which is what made him popular in the first place.

Getting "promoted" in political circles is a double-edged sword. It can take out of a person the very thing that made them appealing, inspiring and different. From my perspective, having seen this happen with other politicians, it looks like history repeating itself.

Re: comparing Dean with Clinton, Biden, Lieberman I agree with you. But the point of the Alternet piece was comparing Dean now with Dean previously, and observing that there was a marked difference. I think it is worth considering that point of view.

If so, he won't be the first or the last. The existing political system tends to have that effect. We desperately need politicians who are willing to be courageous and outspoken, to speak for the wider membership and not for the moneyed interests who traditionally give the largest donations. But the system itself either prevents that kind of person from moving forward or it forces them to adapt themself to the existing system and power base within the party. Maybe it is a kind of self-censorship like in the media--people know that if they cross a certain line it will hold back their career.

We need systems that will reward courage and individuality. Too much seems to depend on fund-raising ability which translates into going along with vested interests. Ironically, this is why Dean's broad-based fund-raising was so exciting. It seemed to point to a new way forward and it galvanized many in the party. Now he has (or is expected to develop) a different relationship to fund-raising but that means playing to a different audience. He risks losing his base if he has to change too much.

This is why the need for campaign finance reform, such as is happening in Maine and Arizona, is so urgent.

Winter --- Raising the bar is always good. I'm all for that! You are a True Patriot!

I love Bradblog and BradShow!

I love The Truth!

Bring it on.

Catherine A --- I agree with you 100% about the urgency for campaign finance reform. Our country is definitely ruled by Corporatists. We, the masses, aren't benefiting from this kind of government. IMHO we need to get rid of corporate lobbyists and corporate financial support of political candidates.

Time to WAKE UP AMERICANS. It's amazing to me that so many people just plain don't know what's going on and they won't as long as the media is owned by the WH.

Catherine A #217 -

Dean raised the fundraising issue as well; he's trying to get away from PACs and toward grass-roots fundraising, separating fundraising from issues of influence-peddling/buying.

Peg C #219--great to hear this. Thanks.

Concerned Reader #25,#34,#38,#45,#49,#209,#212 Emily #56, #65, #99

You are exhibiting one of the symptoms of sophisticated trolls. Character assasination.

You are avoiding the issues and are hanging up on ad hominem attacks.

This will earn you no respect here. We deal with facts and issues - not personalities.

When we detect troll mental patterns in posts we may gently nudge you toward honest discourse and debate.

If you do not respond to our assistance we will reject your methodology and if you persist you will suffer the ignomy of Jimmo Troll - Brown Noser of the Neocons.

List some specific issues you feel are threatend or at issue in your mind - without saying bad things about people - and we can discuss it.

Thanks to KIRA for this link:
BBV DEMONSTRATE THAT DIEBOLD MACHINES ARE EASILY HACKABLE!

Equipment test under fire

Manufacturer says its voting system may now be vulnerable

By Bill Cotterell

DEMOCRAT POLITICAL EDITOR

An attorney for the company that makes Leon County’s voting equipment told state and county officials Thursday it was "very foolish and irresponsible" for Elections Supervisor Ion Sancho to let an outside group try poking holes in vote-tabulation security systems.

Michael Lindroos, senior corporate counsel for Diebold Election Systems Inc., said the company "cannot confirm at this time whether you can conduct any future elections reliably." He suggested that the county do a complete system evaluation before any future elections.

But Sancho said the equipment recently put through its paces by Black Box Voting will never be used again in a regular election. He said the nonprofit, nonpartisan organization was closely monitored as it tried to "hack" into the system - and that even if Black Box had left some bugs behind, his office has ordered an upgraded model that will be used in the 2006 elections.

The equipment will be used in next Tuesday’s special election in House District 7. He said there have been very few early votes cast - and only one race on the ballot - so his staff could hand count them if Republican Marti Coley or Democrat Carl Duncan has any doubts about the outcome.

An aide to Secretary of State Glenda Hood said the Division of Elections "will be contacting all appropriate parties to review this matter."

In a blistering letter to Sancho, all seven county commissioners and Paul Craft, the head of voting-system certification in Hood’s elections office, Lindroos said Sancho compromised the security of the system by letting Black Box Voting try to crack it. He said Sancho may have "intentionally and negligently allowed unauthorized personnel to make modifications to your system that are not discernible to you or your IT staff.

"Aside from potential violations of our licensing agreements and intellectual property rights, we believe this to have been a very foolish and irresponsible act," Lindroos wrote.

Sancho, contacted at a meeting of county elections supervisors in Pasco County, said he would do it again. He said it is important "to maintain public confidence in the integrity of elections" by allowing people with doubts to come in and test the systems under tightly controlled conditions.

Bev Harris, founder of Black Box Voting in Renton, Wash., said she made three visits to Tallahassee and worked with two computer-security experts between February and May. They tried unsuccessfully to penetrate the computer system from outside the courthouse but Sancho then allowed access to a secure room - where only one of his employees has the codes to operate the computers.

Harris said Black Box Voting demonstrated that a corrupt employee could easily get around security walls, tamper with vote totals and exit the system without leaving any tracks, the Tallahassee Democrat reported Saturday. By changing a memory card, the report said, her team was able to make 65,000 votes disappear in the test.

Sancho said "the level of rhetoric" shows that Diebold and the state are defensive about security and that groups like Black Box Voting are ready to believe the worst. Florida voting methods have been a touchy topic since the 2000 presidential election, which was decided for President Bush by 537 votes after 36 days of court fights, street demonstrations and on-again, off-again recounts in some counties.

"I don’t believe in conspiracy theories," Sancho said. "I believe there is sometimes simply human error and negligence, but not conspiracy. What we really need is more honesty and less heat in these situations."

Lindroos said it was not realistic for someone to be given access to a system that is always under tight security.

"Your improper actions, Mr. Sancho, are equivalent to leaving your car unlocked, with the windows down and the keys left in the ignition, and then acting surprised when your car is stolen or the interior vandalized," wrote Lindroos. "Other examples would be acting surprised if anomalies were discovered after you left paper ballots exposed in an unsecured area and invited individuals of questionable character to visit the room, or asked some unknown person to deliver paper ballots to a central counting location without a trusted escort."

Harris, contacted in Washington state, said she has confidence in Sancho’s security systems and employees. But she said similar Diebold systems are used in about 800 cities and counties across the country, with three to five employees having access in each jurisdiction, and that the system "should send up a red flare" if a dishonest employee tries to change vote totals.

Harris said Black Box evaded security systems and changed votes without setting off any alarms in its tests.

"It took us less than a minute to replace the Diebold system with something we wrote and to hijack the whole system," she said. "I would venture to say it doesn’t happen in Leon County, but that’s like saying nobody ever embezzles. When you have 800 jurisdictions and three to five employees with access in each, that’s like saying you’ve got 3,000 to 4,000 employees and none of them will ever try something."

Jenny Nash, a spokeswoman for the secretary of state’s office, said the elections office will monitor the controversy.

"The security of Florida’s voting systems is a top priority for the Department of State," she said.

"It is disappointing to hear that Supervisor Sancho did give access to unauthorized personnel," she added. "With any system in the world, no matter how secure it is, if the person in charge gives outside access, well then that’s a real problem."

Note this irony drenched statement from Diebold "Manufacturer says its voting system may now be vulnerable" LOL !!!!!

I believe Ion Sancho deserves "6 or 7" emails of support for his couragous stand!

The general email address for his office is
vote@mail.co.leon.fl.us

Leon County’s Supervisor of Elections website.

Hey folks, I just came across this story and thought I'd share. I just grabbed the first open thread that I saw.

"The Children's Crusade

By Jennifer Wedekind, In These Times. Posted June 10, 2005.

Military programs are moving into middle schools to fish for future soldiers, training students as young as 11 to march in formation and carry weapons."

The full article can be found here: http://www.alternet.org/story/22192/

I've been holding my breath hoping NOT to see something like this develop, so I'm feeling more than a bit disturbed right now. Can you say Hitler Youth? Bad enough knowing that military branches have been out in force recruiting our young men and women, but this.... this is dangerous, hypocritical crap that has NO place in a public school. Just my opinion, of course. :crazy:

This regime has no intention of bringing this war to an end. They have only 2 ways to man the army - keep a base of extremely poor people and re-create the Hitler Youth project.

It sux. This is what we're up against. We've got to start fighting back. Things are not going to get better until the masses hit the streets.

They still control the military, Kira. Taking to the streets will feel good, but it will mean a lot of valuable allies of ours will wind up behind bars.

I think we're winning through the blogosphere. Bush's poll numbers keep dropping. Republicans here and there are distancing themselves from the administration. The trolls are out in force, meaning their patrons are worried. An impeachment inquiry is close at hand...who would have guessed that three months ago?

Desperate measures like the nuclear option and eliminating the two-term limit are proof of our success. The Bastille walls are coming down without Les Miserables storming the redoubt...and Louis XVI could soon be headed back to the Palace of Versailles, where he can clear brush to his heart's content.

Or as W. might say, "The tot say ma...that means, I am the state."

You're right, RLM about the military. Of course - some of them are waking up, too.

Still - the best way right now is what we're doing. Thanks for your comments.

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