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"Bush insults Sheehan by again using slain soldiers as excuse to stay in Iraq"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 1:58 pm PT...
Im a citizen of this country too. I amy have not lost anyone in Iraq, but that doesnt give me and less right under our constitution. Shouldnt I be entitled to meet witht he President if I want too? Twice that is.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 2:08 pm PT...
Why doesn't Dubya have the balls to meet Mrs. Sheehan for 15 mins? At least he can talk to her?
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
Amother Against a ILLEGAL WAR
said on 8/11/2005 @ 2:30 pm PT...
Bush is a COWARD! He cannot even face a mother who gave her son to an ILLEGAL WAR!
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 2:46 pm PT...
What you libs dont know because your liberal media doesnt say is that BUSH ALREADY MET WITH HER.
Here is an email from the rest of the famliy.
Our family has been so distressed by the recent activities of Cindy we are breaking our silence and we have collectively written a statement for release. Feel free to distribute it as you wish. Thanks Ð Cherie
In response to questions regarding the Cindy Sheehan/Crawford Texas issue: Sheehan Family Statement:
The Sheehan Family lost our beloved Casey in the Iraq War and we have been silently, respectfully grieving. We do not agree with the political motivations and publicity tactics of Cindy Sheehan. She now appears to be promoting her own personal agenda and notoriety at the the expense of her son's good name and reputation. The rest of the Sheehan Family supports the troops, our country, and our President, silently, with prayer and respect.
Casey Sheehan's grandparents, aunts, uncles and numerous cousins.
NOW WTCH AS THE LIBERAL MEDIA IGNORES THIS COMPLETELY AND FOCUS'S ON ONE PERSON WHILE THOUSANDS OF OTHER FAMLIES FEEL DIFFERENTLY. YOU WONT SEE THEM ON YOUR LIBERAL MEDIA.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
your brain on nyquil
said on 8/11/2005 @ 3:05 pm PT...
Here's the typical con response to anyone who dares voice opposition to dear leader. Please fill in spaces where needed.
You Libs and your lying ----- media like ---- are the reason the terrorists ----- that's why we need tax cuts for the wealthy so--- can--- and --- socialisim! But your ------ media won't tell you that! We have to hear about -------- from Fox who's ---- is the only one with guts to mention-------!!
That should about cover it. Oh, I forgot.
What about Clinton!?!??!?
Tyhere. That's all folks!!
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 3:10 pm PT...
I'm not impressed with your unsourced email from anonymous 'family' members.
"Pat and Cindy Sheehan father, mother and sister The Sheehans do not
believe that Iraq was an imminent threat to the United States or that the decision to invade was the right one. They said the war has made the nation less safe, and that the troops should be withdrawn. They support John Kerry for president. "
In addition, over at truthout.org,
">in a video interview posted last night she talks about the trip to Camp Casey being a spur of the moment decision. Initially, she, her sister, and their mother were the only ones that she thought would be going to Crawford. This was Cindy herself saying this. So her mother (Casey's grandmother) and sister (Casey's aunt) were supportive of her protest and came with her to Crawford.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 3:28 pm PT...
Uhhh, lets see. I keep hearing again and again from certain people that this person or that person supports John Kerry. Now, let's get a couple things straight.....Kerry signed up, went to Vietnam and fought. period. fact. George Bush used his connections to avoid fighting for his country. period. fact. So, Bush supporters will get behind a man who ran from the call of his country to fight, yet they are critical of a mother using her constitutional right to speak out against a suspect war that the guy who was afraid to fight, Bush, has instigated.....something is wrong here. This posting will get ripped for questioning a man who wont fight for his country??? Wow. Politics really is an evil thing. Twists peoples minds up. Doesn't let 'em think straight. As a moderate...the past four some odd years has looked pretty darned pathetic. One thing Bush has done since 9-11, he has completely divided this country. Now there's a wartime pres. for ya...right?
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 3:40 pm PT...
Get real people, he ALREADY HAS MET WITH HER.
THE REPORTER of Vacaville, CA published an account of Cindy Sheehan's visit with the president at Fort Lewis near Seattle on June 24, 2004:
"'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'
"The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.
"The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.
"For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.
For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.
"'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said."
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 4:24 pm PT...
As a retired Navy Chaplain who served during the first Gulf war, I think there are no black/white positions here. There is, however, a "normal" way to grieve and honor the memory of a soldier, and Ms. Sheehan is not doing that. Not normal, but not necessarily a 100% political attack. But the rest of the extended family does not share her position, according to many news items posted, including on Drudge. They seem to be grieving in a more "normal" manner.
Cindy perhaps is grieving, or perhaps is she using the death of her son for political purposes, or both. in my experience, what she is doing is not the usual reaction of a grieving mother, but I have only known 100 or so grieving mothers. But is she entitled to do as she is doing? Yes, of course, it is the right of every family to grieve in their own way. We are entitled to think of her as we will, also.
I do not think her method of grieving will produce psychological healing, but I could be wrong. Time will tell. But doing political or emotional blackmail to get the President to meet with her is stalking behavior.
A soldier's death does not obligate the Commander in Chief to meet with her and give her inappropriate request any political traction. If she were legitimately grieving, I'd meet with her as her unit chaplain, but I'd be aware she's doing this for political purposes. What good would it do for the CINC to meet with her? And what harm could come? Too many chances for political misstep, IMHO, as well as setting a bad precident. He does it once, what's to prevent others from doing it? And are we paying him to be the Chaplain in Chief?
Perhaps the best thing he can do is overcome the image she leaves by visiting wounded men in hospitals, and to continue to honor the memory of the dead in word and deed. Let's not have our President set bad precident.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 4:31 pm PT...
They ignore that completely, even though the same person said it. Liberals only care about what mothers of fallen soldiers say if it fits their agenda. How many countless parents have spoken the oppsosite and recieve no coverage.
This one person doesnt represent everyone, or even the majority. But the liberals will prance her around as if she speaks for more people then just herself. As we are finding out she doesnt even speak for her whole family.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 4:35 pm PT...
Imagine how she must of felt after learning the
president and his men lied to take us into war.
Imagine losing that coping device, that was knowing your child died for a 'noble' cause , and having nothing to help you get through.
She is making sure he did not die in vain. It is the only way she can now.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 4:57 pm PT...
Image how the thousands of families pf fallen heros feel everyday as you libs call them 'part of the problem'.
Imagine how they feel when you trash their memory by calling them nazi's.
Ever think about those families while your trashing them in a world wide campaign to make them look as bad as possible?
Dont all of a sudden show compassion for one person when you have spent you free time making thousands feel worse.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 5:05 pm PT...
I support our troops by telling the TRUTH
You could support them by helping to get them the hell HOME
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 5:29 pm PT...
Wowwee, the trolls are out in force! And tune in to conservative talk radio-- Cindy's taking a beating there, too! Has everybody noticed how the Bushco political machine is always on the defensive, these days? They got so many fingers in so many holes in the dike that pretty soon they'll be using their toes!
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 5:36 pm PT...
Right Nana # 11. The difficulty of wrapping your mind around the loss of a loved one is a numbing experience. Her grieving process is laying the foundation for a path that the rest of the country should follow. Make our leaders face the nation and accept responsibility for the damage our young men and women are suffering.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 5:42 pm PT...
Message from Nana to the parents of fallen soldiers.(except Sheehgan)
"Your dead son was a Nazi.
Have a nice day."
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 5:43 pm PT...
Wow. Some people are obviously feeling the heat. Excellent.
What a bunch of wishy-washy trollic matter. Of course it's political. To say that it being political negates the grieving is either a little dim or an attempt at the usual diversion from the issue.
Cindy Sheehan has transformed and enriched (and made useful) her grieving - a very noble thing to do. In the process, her loss is encompassing other's losses as well as the arrogant and unacceptable dishonesty of the invasion and occupation of a sovereign nation against all principles of our nation.
She wants answers. Not spin. Not ridiculous platitudes. Good for her. If she has evolved and increased the depth of her commitment, so much the better.
It's amusing to observe a person with an obvious deep moral commitment being attacked by gnats.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 5:51 pm PT...
This issue has bothered the trolls more than any in recent memory. Cindy is the truth-seeker. The trolls prefer to believe the liars.
Ricky and Paul,
Please go pay to blog O'Reilly. He is one of you.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 6:28 pm PT...
I just sent a video of Olbermann interviewing Cindy over to CrooksandLiars.
She really did a good job countering all of the right-wing spin. She answers the question of about the letter from her 'family' and the misquoted article. Both of which trolls have commented on in this thread.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 6:39 pm PT...
Ah, I love the smell of irrelevant troll posts in the evening - smells like... VICTORY!
Bless their hearts. Gonna miss them SO MUCH when they go enlist (um...y'all ARE gonna enlist, right?)
Remember folks, the louder they yell, the closer we are to the truth. And from where I'm sitting, they're yelling PRETTY DARN LOUD right now.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 6:45 pm PT...
The President is only staying in Iraq because someone has forced his hand, not because of any other reason.
The real reason we are in Iraq is for Israel-Pakistan's benefit to take the oil, we have a serious problem with US security if we pull out, before finishing their mission
This mission isn't about anything else but the oil. The real trouble is, Pakistan will hate us no matter what if we pull out or not unless all americans are out of Iraq and the Israelis get out of Palestine!!!!!
Jack Abramoff, dual-citizen has been indicted for wire fraud and possible spying charges.
Jack Abramoff of the Fellowship/AEI, indicted for fraud, possible spying charges
"Local 10 News has learned that the indictment focuses on the sale itself and alleges that Kidan and Abramoff agreed to put up $23 million for the deal in order to get a loan of $60 million from a lending company. But investigators said the money from Kidan and Abramoff never existed and constitutes fraud.
Months after the contentious sale was finalized, Gus Boulis was killed, gunned down gang-land style in his car. No arrest was ever made but investigators believe that a series of Suncruz checks to a Miami Beach man named Tony Ferarri financed the hit, Local 10 News reporter Rad Berky said.
Abramoff and Kidan are charged with five counts of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and mail fraud. Each count carries a penalty up to five years in prison and a 250-thousand dollar fine.
Kidan's attorney in Florida says his client would surrender voluntarily to federal authorities in Fort Lauderdale tomorrow."
Abramoff and his other advisors were there on the boat when the hijackers were. Conceivably they also knew Mohammed Atta well. Because Abramoff has lied to everyone the whole time about his background, its quite a shock.
He also staged a huge fraudulent coverup with Amy Elizabeth Ridernour, and senior members of the Council for National Policy. They defrauded casinos, bribed Tom DeLay and many state legislatures.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 6:48 pm PT...
Hi, David Edwards #19 - Thanks for putting up the video site for Cindy on Olbermann.
She's great --- God Bless Her.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 6:48 pm PT...
Theres no heat. We win every election there has been in the past 6 years and will continue to do so.
Its a shame you have to call a chaplan a troll. But its not surprising as you have sided with those who killed Sheehan.
Victory comes in the polls. You havent tasted victory in years. Fortunalty for America, the vast majority has heard your message and decided you dont belong in power.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 6:50 pm PT...
To the trolls: Rather than yapping at us here --- please go to Iraq and take Bushco. with you, if that's what and who you believe in. Thanks.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 6:51 pm PT...
How long will people keep their eyes and ears closed and trust this administration? The truth is out there - if they would only READ.
As for the oft-repeated mantra of a "liberal media" - if they read they'd know we're on to them. But it's hard work coming up with new lines, so I expect we'll keep hearing it... sigh...
Even Conservatives Admit Liberal Media Bias Is A Myth, Yet They Perpetuate It
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 6:57 pm PT...
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 7:26 pm PT...
People are allowed to change their minds once facts become clear that had previously been covered up. I think Cindy Sheehan is a very brave, strong, independent woman. She's been through hell already.
Cindy---You're a great woman. Don't let any of those desperate neo-cons chase you away from your goal.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 8:33 pm PT...
Since you and the terroists are saying the same thing about Bush now, why not just go over there and stay with them. Afterall they are innocent people and you would be in good company. I am sure they would agree with everything you have to say right before they cut your head off. Ill buy the ticket, one way.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 9:00 pm PT...
> Theres no heat. We win every election there has been in the past 6 years and will continue to do so.
Its a shame you have to call a chaplan a troll. But its not surprising as you have sided with those who killed Sheehan.
Ricky, you are wasting your time. These guys are more than liberals on this blog. They are communists, socialists, dopesmokers, and one of the the main bloggers on this website told me in person that they are "left of left." Though they have since denied it.
When the LKF starts caring about the murder of the unborn women, African-Americans, and Jews, I might be more apt to listen to them.
The Left Kook Fringe cannot make up their minds. First they want our soldiers home, then they want more troops sent to Iraq to train the Iraqi's so we can get our soldiers home, and then they just want them to come home. Nothing Bush says or does is ever right with them, even when he gives more money for AIDS. Bush, instead, gets blamed for deficits. They HATE Bush and that is what is fueling everything. They would have never done this to Clinton.
Peggy is a Canadian so anything she says doesn't count.
Sheehan is backed by the most leftist groups and individuals. You are right Ricky, the Dems are losing and even NARAL had to cancel their ridiculous commercial on Roberts. The Dems know that they are in a world of hurt and their far left base is killing them. The left is becoming their only support. I like that of course. It means more and more the Dems will lose power.
I want to know why the Left Kook Fringe is not talking about the Clinton Administration, Atta, and the known terrorist cell in the USA in 1999. Could it be that it doesn't fit their agenda of impeaching Bush?
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 9:12 pm PT...
> She wants answers. Not spin. Not ridiculous platitudes. Good for her. If she has evolved and increased the depth of her commitment, so much the better.
What if he meets with her? What if he feels her pain? Why if Bush changes her mind? What will the Left Kook Fringe do then? Criticize Bush for being a wussy and giving into her demands?
No matter what happens, Bush wil not win with the kooks.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 9:30 pm PT...
The media is liberal and we don't need articles telling us they are or they are not.
We can figure it out on our own.
I remember Peter Jennings in 2000 when K. Harris announced Bush won Florida via Florida law, Peter looked like he was about to cry or that it was the end of the world.
Diane Sawyer interviewed Ken Starr and she had a look of contempt in her eyes. But, either her or B. Walters had a more glowing look when interviewing Charles Manson (and Castro). Perhaps she wanted to appear nice so that Charlie wouldn't attack her.
We see what they do, how they act, what they choose to cover and not cover. We are not stupid.
You never see a queer parade on TV and if they did, it would turn the stomach of most Americans. I can say queer - Queer Nation, right?
Liberalism does not sell and that is why more and more people are turing off the liberal TV news and watching Fox, listening to Rush, Hannity, and thousands of local conservative talk show hosts across the country that are even better than Rush and Hannity.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
Sinjin von hook Straaten
said on 8/11/2005 @ 9:33 pm PT...
Bush insults Sheehan? Give me a fucking break.
And why is palatial estate crossed out? What's the fuck's that about?!
What a stupid idiotic website this is. "investigative citizen blogger"? Uhh... yeah... whatever.
Bush ain't perfect but God bless him! And thank God he's trying to help a nation that's been in need for so many years under Hussein. No people should be allowed to live like that. Now, thanks to W., they have a chance.
No soldier has died for nothing. They might not be directly defending the United States but helping others is a very noble thing to die for and that's what we're doing in Iraq, helping others. Why can't so many people get that through their thick heads?!
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2005 @ 9:33 pm PT...
Paul, you are a pathetic ignorant idiot.
Go take your stack of bibles and rue the day you swept in.
'Communists?' This is why you and your far righty crackpots don't deserve to be in government.
You are totally ignorant, totally oblivious to all that is happening around you.
Since when did the fact that Israel-Pakistan has corrupted our congress and senate, paid off officials from both parties, and forced us into wars for oil NOT become news?
And your joke and laughing tirade of bullshit is this is all clinton's fault. Go scuffle down some more of that lemonade butch, this is not all Clinton's fault. This is the fault of the Bush Admin, the Clinton Admin and countless others who have been bribed and CORRUPTED-WHO HAD FULL KNOWING, AND WARNING OF 9/11.
Don't make me laugh...Next time you want to know what's up, Visit this site and read about the Israeli spy networks who were let go, start soaking up the knowledge rather than turning to a false phony belief, that has nothing to do with reality.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 4:58 am PT...
Everyone knows what Clinton did about terrorism. Nothing. Hell, he sat on his hands after they blew up a warship.
Antoerh reason why Libs are losing power is they are unable to keep minorites down now. More and more minorities are becoming successful and leaving the party. Sharpton and Jesse are losing power as a result.
Of course the biggest problem the LKF has is that the majority of Americans love their country and are tired of listening to the kooks denounce it around the world.
The care so much for Sheehan's mother, but called Sheehan himself a nazi.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 5:56 am PT...
Hide the women! Them trolls sure hate to see Cindy on the MSM news. Look at those filthy lies spewing from their anal cysts.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 5:59 am PT...
I loved hearing this sound bite on the radio news all day long: "Mr President, since you believe the war is for such a noble cause, do you encourage your two daughters to go serve in Iraq, so that some of the weary soldiers there can come home?"
It's no wonder you're so upset, dear trolls.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 6:00 am PT...
The Neo Cons are right. I am a democratic voter but have questioned that since I found this site. I hae been accepted here, but attacked. I dont know who I am going to vote for next time, but I have a strong feeling it wont be anyone these people like.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 6:21 am PT...
You are again trying to reinvent reality. Clinton tried to do almost everything possible to prevent terrorism but your precious republicans thought terrorism was a fake issue and it wasn't real. They watered down antiterrorism legislation and stopped many programs Clinton wanted to start which Bush is now picking up and taking credit for.
The FALSE Claim That Clinton Did Nothing to Stop Terrorism or Capture Those Who Performed Terrorist Acts
Claim: The Clinton administration failed to track down the perpetrators of several terrorist attacks against Americans.
Clinton Administration Counter Terrorism Initiative
I. Actions Already Announced by the President
(1) Pass the Omnibus Counter-Terrorism Act of 1995
(2) Provide more tools to federal law enforcement agencies fighting terrorism
(3) Conduct terrorism threat assessment of every federal facility in the country within the next 60 days
(4) Direct GSA to replace the federal building in Oklahoma City.
(5) Direct the FBI Director, the Attorney General, and the National Security Adviser to prepare a Presidential Decision Directive authorizing any and all further steps necessary to combat foreign and domestic terrorism.
II. New Legislative Proposals
"The Clinton Wars" Excerpts: How the GOP Undercut Clinton's Efforts to Fight Terrorism
"...that details how the Republican Congress and former FBI Director Louis Freeh (who allied himself with the anti-Clinton forces) undercut Clinton's efforts to fight terrorism. The excerpt also touches upon how after the impeachment trial, pseudo-scandal mongering by the media --- including the New York Times --- helped deflect public attention from President Clinton's struggle with terrorism."
The Moscow Summit and Nuclear Terrorism
June 7, 2000
"The headlines surrounding the Moscow summit meeting between President Clinton and Russian President Vladimir Putin focused primarily on the growing but inconclusive dialogue over mounting a defense against ballistic missiles launched from rogue states. Only scant media attention has been paid to concrete agreements related to the threat of nuclear terrorism."
FBI reorganises to combat terror
November 12, 1999
"The US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has announced a major reorganisation, with a greater emphasis on the prevention of terrorist attacks against American interests."
President Clinton's Speech on Terrorist Attacks
August 20, 1998
"Our target was terror. Our mission was clear --- to strike at the network of radical groups affiliated with and funded by Osama bin Laden, perhaps the preeminent organizer and financier of international terrorism in the world today."
Responding to Terrorism
1997 Annual Defense Report
"Combating terrorism requires patience, courage, imagination, and restraint. Perspective is essential. Overreaction and bombast play into terrorist hands. Good intelligence, a professional security force, and a measured response are necessary. Most important for any democracy in its struggle against terrorism is a public that is informed and engaged, and understands the nature of the threat, its potential cost, and why the fight against terrorism is its fight too. It is how well the United States meets this challenge that will determine the winners, the losers, and the price paid by each."
President wants Senate to hurry with new anti-terrorism laws
July 30, 1996
"But while the president pushed for quick legislation, Republican lawmakers hardened their stance against some of the proposed anti-terrorism measures."
WHITE HOUSE FACT SHEET ON COUNTER-TERRORISM MEASURES
"Washington --- The counter-terrorism measures signed into law by President Clinton October 9 constitute a broad-based strategy ranging from increased security at federal buildings to tighter scrutiny of aircraft cargo."
Clinton, Peres sign counter-terrorism accord
"The United States will supply Israel with $100 million in equipment, training and aid under a counter-terrorism accord signed Tuesday at the White House by President Clinton and Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres."
FACT SHEET - Counter-Terrorism
The White House's Position on Terrorism
"To all my fellow Americans ... I say, one thing we owe those who have sacrificed is the duty to purge ourselves of the dark forces which gave rise to this evil. They are forces that threaten our common peace, our freedom, our way of life."
President Bill Clinton
State Fair Arena, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma April 23, 1995
You see Ricky when you have to distort reality to support your presidents position it really ruins your credibility. The truth is your president withdrew forces tracking Bin Laden, withdrew the drones, cut a bunch of the antiterrorism programs Clinton put in place as soon as he took office. He then ignored intelligence stating we would be attacked. If he didn't ignore the intelligence its possible 9/11 wouldn't have happened.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 6:40 am PT...
David! Awesome blog - thanks for supporting the joint while commander blogger is on the road!!
I took a quick glance at all the very enlightening (not) messages posted above by the Bush lovers, and here's one that caught my eye:
>I want to know why the Left Kook Fringe is not talking about the Clinton Administration, Atta, and the known terrorist cell in the USA in 1999. Could it be that it doesn't fit their agenda of impeaching Bush?
This nation was treated to well over 7 years of Clinton investigations at a cost of over $70 million. I don't recall investigators at the time (Kenneth Starr, et al) being concerned about terrorist cells. I seem to recall they were more concerned about finding a blue dress and evidence of fornication so they could impeach Clinton for a sex lie.
Are you suggesting we put Clinton in jail for crimes Bush has committed since bullying his way into the White House in 2000? Get out a here! I mean I'm just as critical of Dopey Democratic Party Leadership ('cept those wonderful Congressional Black Caucus members and Rep. Bob Filner as I am of the Bush Party. Why aren't Bush supporters able to admit to failure, corruption, criminality? I can hear Bush now, "Clinton MADE ME do it!" lol.
Don't you have to be elected in order to be impeached?
Can the damn neo-cons get any more liberal? Take a look at the budget and deficit --- lovers of Bush. Nobody to blame now, for 4 years your guy's been in charge, over 2 years you've controlled the Senate, and over 10 years the House. Economy's getting ready to tank. And still the Bush Party claims, "It's Clinton's fault."
The mainstream hate talk radio jocks and despicable tv talking heads definitely are "liberal" at the mouth, that's for sure. They run on and on and on all day long...would somebody shut 'em up already!?! or better yet, let's find an alternative! Oh look, we have!
Just maybe we're gonna make the Bush lovers biggest fear come true! The hottest thing going on right now in the country besides CINDY SHEEHAN fighting for her son's honor in Crawford is PROGRESSIVE TALK RADIO, and it's about time. The last decade has been mighty dark since the radical rabids took over the mics.
We've got your news agenda, right here.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 8/12/2005 @ 6:54 am PT...
Interesting, isn't it? We're told that the Democratic party (whatever the hell that is) is giving in to the LKF (Left Kook Fringe). Meanwhile, Bush's poll ratings are running at 45% approval overall, and 34% approval for Iraq.
Must be a lot of left-wing kooks out there. In fact, they're a clear majority!
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 7:02 am PT...
Ricky - Several time I've read a post from you saying something about someone who supports Sheehan calling soldiers Nazis, or calling her son Casey a Nazi.
Would you please provide proof of that? We need a quote, a name, and a source for reference.
Otherwise, we'll know you made it up and you're just trolling again.
And if THAT is the case, please, keep making noise - you're our bellwether.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 8:17 am PT...
To Ricky & Paul :
Please help me understand why you are not riding in a half armoured humvee in Iraq when you are so strong in your belief that Bush is defending a noble cause. The cause which has changed several times since he has sent our men and women to die.
Even if you began believing that Osama turned into Saddam, aren't your minds beginning to question the twists and turns this administration has taken?
How can you blindly follow some policy that is costing you a billion dollars a week being borrowed from China? Money being diverted from you and your families health and education?
Can you honestly say America would not be stronger by having these brave men and women defending us here at home. Our borders, our oil refineries, our food supply and water are wide open to any terriorist. The airports are a joke, just this week we saw cargo being loaded into planes totally open to anyone walking by.
And we are to believe we are safer by fighting in Iraq instead of strengthening our homeland resources?
I guess my question is when you so strongly disagree with the opinions here why do you continue to post?
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 8:37 am PT...
"Stupid idiotic website", Sinjin???
out of 42 posts, 15 are made by trolls???
And now your saying we are in Iraq for charitable reasons? Are children are dying, we are bombing the homes and killing the Iraqi people, for charitable reasons? WOW, ain't we great!
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 8:50 am PT...
Hi, TexasLady: You make some good points but I fear you are wasting your time --- I wouldn't expect to see any answers to your questions in #43. Trolls don't answer questions; they just change the subject and keep on lying. Those of us who have been here a long time know why they're here ... and it isn't to learn or to teach --- just to disrupt.
Paul, for example, has been caught telling lie after lie after lie... And whenever he gets called on it, he doesn't even try to back up his bullshit --- he just moves on to another thread and starts lying about something else. It's been happening for ever --- really! Paul is the original BRAD BLOG troll, and he's been getting called on it ever since he started but apparently he is too stupid to realize that he has no credibility here.
Ricky is more persistent; he carries on spewing the same bullshit on the same thread even after he's been called on it. Some people are too damned dumb to be embarrassed. And of course he has no credibility here either.
All of which, I suppose, is a long-winded way of saying that even if these guys broke tradition and actually answered your questions, there would be no reason to believe their answers.
So I will answer one of your questions for them:
Why do they continue to post? To disrupt us. To get us talking to and about them, rather than to one another and about the real issues. And they will succeed precisely to the degree that we let them.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 9:02 am PT...
Quoted from the White House regarding President Bush's five week hiatus:
The White House said the 5 week vacation was to allow Pres Bush to meet with everyday folks about issues that concern them.
Even Nixon in 1970 met with anti war critics at the Lincoln Memorial
How much courage would it take to sit down and acknowledge Cindy Sheehan?
Sometimes it takes one voice to remind us "the Emporer isn't wearing any clothes".
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 9:17 am PT...
Through all the mess and vitriol, it may be wise here to point out what Mrs. Sheehan is asking. It is quite simple, really:
1. If the cause that killed Casey is so noble, then did you encourage your daughters to fight?
2. If you truly want to honor my Casey, please bring the troops home before other mothers have to grieve as I do.
3. And most important of all.... Why did you lie to get us into Iraq? What is the real reason we are there?
Seems like these questions are fair enough to me.
She didn't get a chance to ask them the first time she met with Mr. Bush (she was still in shock). So, she is asking them now.
Quite frankly, I'd like to know the answers to these questions as well.
It seems telling that the President refuses to meet with her... it is HIS motives I am more concerned about than hers.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 9:19 am PT...
And another thing:
Why would the President (or anyone else for that matter) become threatened and offended over the request for a meeting and/or asking questions?
Isn't that the way of democracies? To ask questions and learn from each other?
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 9:27 am PT...
Thank you Winter Patriot for the explanation. Being fairly new to the blogging world I thought it was for expanding my knowledge not just spewing forth statements that haven't any backing.
What I am hearing sounds like fear from those who follow blindly without questioning.
We all heard "Mission Accomplished" but it hasn't been. Someone needs to answer our badly wounded soldiers why they lost their limbs and eyes and minds. Why have we lost 40 soldiers in 12 days of August.
Why can't we bring our men and women home?
Thank you Cindy Sheehan for asking questions we all want to know.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 11:04 am PT...
I have just read that Bush and Co passed by Cindy Sheehan on his way to a RNC fund raiser expected to raise $2,000,000 for "the cause". I wonder did he avert his eyes or believe what his handlers told him that it was a mirage.
And Rumsfeldt is promoting his Countrymusic fest parade on 9/11 ? Supposedly to show support for the war.
Could they not at least pretend some compassion and understanding for all the pain caused by their greed? Where are the thinking Christians? Can they condone these policies?
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 12:14 pm PT...
Cindy is a shining light for all who hate tyranny . She's the purest of pure voices against this hideous war. She is a mother's love for her son. If you can look at this woman and hear her words and not feel enormous pride, and if you cannot shed a tear over her loss and the loss we all share, there is something wrong with you. Cindy is a precious gift. No war machine conceived can beat her down. She is timeless because she is truth.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 1:58 pm PT...
Beware False Prophets and Religious Hypocrites:
"There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers."
1. Haughty Eyes
2. A Lying Tongue – George Bush’s Multitude of Lies
3. Hands That Shed Innocent Blood -
George W. Bush and company are turning Iraqi children into rubble, in spite of Luke 17:1-2 where Jesus clearly states: "It is impossible but that offences will come; but woe unto him through whom they come. It were better that he were hanged about the neck, and be cast into the sea than that he should offend one of these little ones."
CHRISTIANS! What are you thinking, letting this happen? Every church bell from North to South, and East to West, should be loudly ringing until this evil is stopped.
4. A Heart That Deviseth Wicked Plans (WARNING – Graphic Pictures of WAR in IRAQ)
5. Feet That Run Rapidly To Evil – 10 days after inauguration in 2001, Bush said, “Go find me a way to do this.”
The Bush administration started making detailed plans for the invasion of Iraq within days of coming to office, with the President himself anxious to find a pretext to overthrow Saddam Hussein, a high-ranking former cabinet member said yesterday.
The revelation is the latest in a string of potential embarrassments for the White House offered by the former treasury secretary Paul O'Neill, who has gone on the record for a new book looking at his bumpy two years at the centre of US power, The Price of Loyalty. Mr. O'Neill said invading Iraq was "topic A" at the very first meeting of President George Bush's National Security Council, 10 days after his inauguration on 20 January 2001, and continued to be an abiding theme in follow-up meetings.
"From the very first instance, it was about Iraq," said Mr. O'Neill, who was a participant in all the meetings and provided voluminous minutes and other documents to the book's author, Ron Suskind. "It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The President saying 'Go find me a way to do this'."
…One of the documents passed to Mr. Suskind was a secret dossier from the first few weeks of the administration entitled "Plan for post-Saddam Iraq". The disclosure will provide further ammunition for to Bush critics who believe the administration cynically exploited the 11 September terror attacks to launch an aggressive policy of global military interventionism that neo-conservative hawks such as Dick Cheney, the Vice-President, and Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, had been advocating for years.
It makes clear that hints of a link between Saddam and the 11 September attacks, repeatedly made by administration officials in the run-up to the war but never substantiated, were a political convenience, not the driving motivation behind the invasion. And it also poses a considerable challenge to the official version of history, which has sought to portray Mr. Bush as undergoing a near-religious conversion after 11 September from a meek peacetime leader to a man with a global mission to stamp out evil.
AND - Downing Street Documents
6. A False Witness Who Utters Lies – More of Bush's LIES AND You are a LIAR, Mr. Bush, and for such a dedicated Christian, You bear an inordinate amount of “False Witness.”
7. One Who Spreads Strife Among Brothers – BUSH IS A DIVIDER - Remember "I'm a uniter, not a divider". That might just be Bush's biggest lie ever. This is a man who uses fear and distrust to polarize the country. Truly despicable and an ABOMINATION to God.
Who's Taking the Blame for Christian Violence?
Should Christians Tell the Truth?
Bush is a LIAR - So many lies, so little time or space: WMDs, yellow cake uranium, tax cuts for the "middle class", the Plame affair, the Clear Skies initiative, Healthy Forests initiative, Mission Accomplished – and so on.
Bush is a FAILURE - However, he has been successful at alienating the rest of the world, destroying the environment, and giving tax breaks to the obscenely rich, while everyone else loses their jobs and the price of everything else has gone sky high. Another “Tax Break” from Bush will land most of us in the Poor House.
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 2:09 pm PT...
Screw the trolls. I think it's clear that the mainstream media is losing relevance and that those who choose to look elsewhere for information about what matters are not so dimwitted as to fall for their name-calling.
As has been said before, obviously, the right wing media spin machine is getting a little scared that Cindy's little "camp out" might morph into the great "moment of decision" for many people and become a nexus for challenging the mass of lies this administration has been propagating for the last five years. The MSM, as corporate controlled as they are, are also a "pack animal" that moves from issue to issue en-masse, and if this "protest" gains too much support, it could totally overwhelm the ability of the administration to propagandize their way out of it.
KEEP UP THE BRAVE WORK CINDY! And to the rest of us --- if you can get to Crawford, this is the time to make a stand! This could be the nexus. This could be the "political Woodstock" of our generation.
1000 people by the 17th.
10,000 people by the 24th.
500,000 people by the 31st?
Let's make history happen, rather than just writing about it.
Let our bodies be counted, our voices heard, and our opinions of this administration and the war they took us into be known and disseminated throughout the land.
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2005 @ 6:19 pm PT...
Agreed Charlie L. And Medium Left, if you are so convinced they are right why don't you go fight the war in IRAQ?
Where thousands are dying every day and all our soldiers will be dead by years end. I invite you to go do it now, and defend that noble cause. I mean, their oil that is.
Why would you come around here, if we were the minority? Guess not. We are by and large over 60% of this country who can see through bullshit propaganda when we come face to it.
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
said on 8/13/2005 @ 7:00 am PT...
Living here in Texas ...I am ashamed to say one local station gave a whole 15 seconds at 10:00 P.M. to Cindy Sheehan.
I have called and e-mailed to the national stations, Anderson Cooper, NBC, CBS CNN to ask where is the coverage? They spend hours on the runaway bride and 15 seconds on trying to save our men and women. Unbelievable !
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 8/13/2005 @ 11:58 am PT...
As long as we are looking at Bush's accountability, I've become interested in a 1980's era scandal involving millions of tax payer dollars that were some how used to bail out some kind of banking scheme. One of the principal culprits was someone named Neil Bush. Any relation to George? What does anyone know about it? Is ther a conncection? If so, could we use the Bush family to find the gene for the inclination to rip-off tax-payers? (And perhaps pre-screen our candidates?)
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 8/13/2005 @ 5:48 pm PT...
Defintely was Neil Bush. Poppy George's son. The banking scheme was in Denver, CO and cost the taxpayers millions over $2,000,000. Neil got off scott free and was hired by a Houston firm for what we do not know.
Then he was caught with prostitutes in Japan working as a Houston consultant again for a security firm.
Also, you need to know that the quiet son, Marvin and cousin were financially involved in the company securing the World Trade Centers (both) and were in New York on 9/11 on business. But with the payoffs to the victims their investment did not take a hit. Marvin also has interests in the publications for NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND pushed here in Texas. Funny how each Bush policy has family ties.
Read Maureen Dowd Bushworld- will give you back up data on the tentacles and how far they reach.
American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips another eye opener.
Check out the 9/11 websites and read the names of who is connected to the companies involved and where they happened to be at the time.
Also, the structural engineer with over 25 years experience who felt the buildings could not have collapsed as fast as they did....then suddenly recanted his opinion, oh did I mention his lab gets government funding.
Wonderful to see someone asking questions.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 8/17/2005 @ 6:44 pm PT...
That bull dike bitch is completely insane and her son (may he rest in peace) must be whirling in his grave.
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 8/18/2005 @ 11:45 pm PT...
John Kerry, your name has been disgraced. I denounce you, leave and never return. (Definitely)
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 8/20/2005 @ 2:02 pm PT...
God has prepared a "special" place for you and people like you who lie?
Lies the Tools of Satan:
The INSTRUMENTS also of the churl [wretch] are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with LYING WORDS... (Isaiah 32:7)
Lies are the instruments the devil uses to work great evil. Lies form an integral part of most wicked and bad things. There is a saying, 'All thieves are liars, all liars are thieves'.
Most wicked activities cannot go on without a lie being told here or there. Dictators for example, cannot suppress entire nations without the propaganda of lies and deception, which they continually perpetrate.
Have you not noticed that wicked and undemocratic dictators do not allow a free and an independent press to operate? They desperately need the assistance of diabolical lies to stay in power and oppress the masses. Whenever you speak a lie, what you are actually doing is grasping one of Satan's favorite tools. You are joining hands with the devil, and you are playing his game. Jesus calls him the father of liars.