READER COMMENTS ON
"A Warning to Traitors: Fitzgerald pursues 'man at the top'"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 11:23 am PT...
Patrick Fitzgerald for PRESIDENT!!!!! Go for the jugular - all 60-plus percent of us are right behind you!
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 12:28 pm PT...
Wow! I am impressed with this guy. The White House phonies (crooks, liars, etc.) better watch out for this dude. Sounds like he's a straight shooter and my God, look at the plethora of crimes his Grand Jury could have taken a look at within this administration. You know they did their best to try to cover their sins, which is what most politicos go down for. I'm trying to watch this guy very closely. May his name become forever marked in history as the guy who ultimately tumbled the house of cards...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 12:55 pm PT...
It would be a lovely irony indeed if the so-called "straight shooter" got taken down by a real straight shooter.
Folks like Fitzgerald and Conyers and Sheehan and Brad are showing us how much can be accomplished by asking questions, asking questions like you really want answers.
Exactly what most of the Dems seem to conspicuously avoid doing most of the time.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 1:41 pm PT...
Just wanted to say thanks for the clip...looking forward to seeing what Fitzgerald comes up with.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 1:42 pm PT...
Thank God for an honest prosecutor --- may the force be with him in nailing the lying murders and all those complicit in the Bush administration.
Why haven't citizens started a lawsuit against Bush, Cheney, etc. for treason over the lies leading to the Iraqi war??? If you wait for the Senate/Congress to do something, well --- it will never happen!
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 1:56 pm PT...
I hate to sound so jaded, but I'm almost afraid to get my hopes up again. Time after time over the past five years I've said, "Okay, that's it, THIS time they're busted!", only to be disappointed as the latest scandal/crime fell down the memory hole.
Let's hope this time the crooks in our government really will be taken down.
Here's to truth, justice, and the American way (the way it was BEFORE the neo-cons took over)!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 2:22 pm PT...
Just a little insight into "The Family Values"
"The truth is useless. You have to understand this right now. You can't deposit the truth in a bank. You can't buy groceries with the truth. You can't pay rent with the truth. The truth is a useless commodity that will hang around your neck like an albatross all the way to the homeless shelter. And if you think that the million or so people in this country that are really interested in the truth about their government can support people who would tell them the truth, you got another thing coming. Because the million or so people in this country that are truly interested in the truth don't have any money." Spoken by Jeb Bush in conversation with Retired Naval Intelligence Officer, Al Martin and Cited in Bushwhacked, by Uri Dowbenko, September, 2002
I found the quote on this page here, which not coincidentally has a letter from Bernie Ellis.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 2:54 pm PT...
I've got to buy a new fire extinguisher --- MY HAIR IS ON FIRE AGAIN!!!
Jeb Nosferatu Bush
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 3:12 pm PT...
Peggy, yeah, why haven't we? Can we do that? Let's do that. I think 6 or 7 people might even join us. Where do we start??
Oh and Kira, could you PASS THE FIRE EXTINGUISHER when you're done with it please?!!!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 3:29 pm PT...
You know Fitzgerald is in such a pile of risk and danger as he pushes deeper and deeper into the dark side with his inquiry. I'm wondering if there's any way for the 6 or 7 out there to start some sort of support effort to support Fitzgerald's efforts. Afterall, we have seen a thousand and one different points being raised alllllllll over the place about the criminal and his cronies as we follow the Bradmeister. I wonder if Fitzgerald has a "tips hotline" a Fitzgerald support group, a set of body guards that are ready to take a bullet for him when he pushes the wrong button on the Bushco? He better have some mighty fine backup that cannot be bought off by the thugs.
And then too, pass the fire extinguisher!! I had wondered if it would be possible for Cindy Sheehan and other parents of children, for that matter families in Iraq, to file suit for wrongful death of her son.... terminated for blindly following a pack of lies into an unsafe situation by a leader obviously out of control.
By all means, get out allllll the fire extinguishers!!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 3:49 pm PT...
I can just hear the evening news anchors now:
Anchor: George W. Bush, President of the United States has resigned today. His health has been a problem for some time and it's time for him to head home to rest.
Meanwhile on BradBlog.com:
Yeeha! Bush found guilty of Treason, is impeached and kicked out of office.
Somehow, I think we're on our own in getting the truth out and forcing the matters to a head. I don't see anybody in the Establishment, including DLC Democrats, helping out.
To quote the Bush people, we have to create our own future here and let the news people just report on it and analyze it.
I watched a news guy this morning talking about Cindy Sheehan; it was amazing. They portray her and others as nuts, weirdos, loons, and yet the real loon who lives down the road is treated royally, almost like a dictator.
Anyway, bloggers and some investigative reporters are gradually piecing the story together. Over at WayneMadsenReport.com, for example, there's an early story of financial connections between this and that international interest (involved in everything that makes money, legit or illegal). Linking Bush & Co. to Al Qaeda to the Saudi royal family and who knows what else might be the final nail in the coffin which turns this all around. As Deep Throat is to have said, "Follow the money." It's not bad advice here either.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 3:52 pm PT...
I think he was nominated by the Bush administration, too. See? We are for truth-tellers, party doesn't matter. We are against lying politicians. We can rally behind a truth-teller and straight-shooter. He's doing more good for the Republican party, than all these lying criminals.
He's definitely one of my new heroes.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 4:03 pm PT...
Here on the Yurica Report is an interesting summary of some legal arguments that are relevant tp Fitzgerald's remit. It's about why no one from the government will be able to fire Fitzgerald to save their own skin.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 4:17 pm PT...
Cool, Catherine A.!
Citizen Spook comments here occasionally. I didn't know he was "licensed attorney, who practices before the Federal bench." Wow.
Thanks for posting the link!
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 4:48 pm PT...
I am itchn' to see if the chimp has the 'nads to square off against a 6'2" former rugby player.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 5:02 pm PT...
Its funny that no one has figured out that Plame is a bad agent. A bad agent is handled by the Organized Crime Task Force. Plame is a bad agent. The Traitor is Plame. He is investigating her.
This is typical DEA or DOJ procedure. It is funny that most think Plame will be free. Most have already made such arrangements and gone on to bio terror from the simple nuclear option.
Its really too late for the proper option, which has been shown to the community.
DOJ should improvise and overcome. We may live longer.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 5:37 pm PT...
Go Pat, Go......we need a new Eliott Ness!!!!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 5:44 pm PT...
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 7:24 pm PT...
Just a thought. Has anyone considered the fact that he is intentionally being cast as the just prosecutor who goes to no end to seek justice, all the way to the top. That the left is playing off this going after the comments of the right. Perhaps the right is alienating themselves from Fitzgerald so that when he clears all the high level officials it seems credible. Lets not forget who gave him the job.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 7:39 pm PT...
Clear all the high level officials? He just sent the senior publisher of Propaganda News, Sun Times to prison.
That what you call clear high level officials? This ain't no party, we're not pulling anymore punches.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 8:31 pm PT...
LOL Charlie. I'm always suspicious. Our Founding Fathers were VERY suspicious, wary and full of concern about this kind of situation happening. That's why they tried to put in all manner of checks and balances to protect future generations.
I think a True American Patriot should be VERY SUSPICIOUS of the government --- always.
"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." ~ James Madison
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 9:54 pm PT...
Charlie, it may be as you suspect. But hope springs eternal. I hope Fitz is the man we need in these times. But I'm not counting on it.
Speaking of following the money, I keep wondering about Tenet. What was his payoff?
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2005 @ 11:42 pm PT...
After he stepped down, didn't georgie give him some sort of Freedom Medal or something? Was he a fall guy to take the blame instead of our vacation pRez?
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 1:01 am PT...
cnn's 8pm program on lies leading to the war was wonderful. It is the first honest program I've seen them do in five years. This is big.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 4:38 am PT...
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 7:07 am PT...
#6 & others who voice suspicion...
I agree. How can you NOT be suspicious & paranoid?! It's a good point, as Charlie said, to remember that he was appointed by bush. Or rather, as it says on the Yurica Report, cited by Catherine, by Acting Attorney General Comey.
Quoting from that piece:
It says that Fitzgerald has
"...complete autonomous rule..." and also that
"...Fitzgerald has all of the protections and authority normally granted to an independent prosecutor under the expired independent counsel law...."
I hope they're right. It worries me that Congress (what a surprise) was short-sighted enough to let the independent counsel law lapse right after Ken Starr had finished beating his dead horse with it.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 7:21 am PT...
I'm with charlie on this one, we should be suspicious of anyone trying to manipulate Fitzgerald, although he seems to have a clean background and is fiercely independent.
We've already seen a few scared right-wingers hedging their bets by raising doubts about his work. If most or all of the high-level officials are cleared, they'll quickly flip their positions.
And since, by the way things are going right now, it appears that someone high up will pay the price, we are putting a lot of faith in Fitzgerald to deliver us the goods. However, if we don't get the results we want, are we going to turn on him?
This is the end of the line for me, until 2006 comes and with it hopefully a shift in power.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 7:32 am PT...
It's worth checking out all of Citizen Spooks articles here (past and present):
Not sure what to think of Plame and Wilson possibly being involved, but it seems to fill in some blanks for me (if it's true).
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 7:57 am PT...
Hmmm, his job is up in September? Well, can anyone guess what will happen then?
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 8:39 am PT...
Actually Fitzgerald's Chicago prosecutor job is up soon, but as I understand it, that's a different hat than the one he wears as special prosecutor for the Plame grand jury. The grand jury is supposed to be completed in October. But according to Citizen Spook, the grand jury has far more leeway than Fitzgerald does, and can pretty much do whatever they please, including extending the investigation into other areas of interest. (Not sure if they can extend the date, though.) This is of course dependent on their awareness of their extreme power. But from what I've heard, they're a pretty savvy group, asking 2/3 of the questions of Matt Cooper during his hours of testimony. So theoretically (and hopefully), they are aware that they are much more than just a typical jury.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 8:54 am PT...
Yes the description of Patrick F. sounds wonderful, but I'll believe all the Elliot Ness character stories and vote for him for President when the charges are filed and the criminals prosecuted!
I've had my polyanna bubble crushed once too many times with hopes that the next 'truth' will out these mother flecters.
What's up with the threat of his new boss taking potentially taking away some of his investigating authority?
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 9:16 am PT...
Apparently his new boss Margolis was appointed by his old boss Comey, both of whom APPEAR to be straight shooters like Fitzgerald. Very interesting, since shrub had actually nominated his fellow bonesman (McCallum??) for this position, and then the next thing you know, Margolis is in (at least temporarily).
Citizen Spook also has an article about how Comey was extremely clever in setting up Fitzgerald's "charter", because Comey was "acting attorney general" at the time, and he allegedly conveyed to Fitzgerald ALL of his authority (as attorney general) in regards to this investigation. If it's true, it's pretty huge.
(Note: this page seems to take quite some time to load for me...sorry about not using a real link but I don't know how.)
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 10:07 am PT...
I really am beginning to see that Bush could be indicted soooooooon-if not on this-then the Abramoff dirt...the dirt runs deep and dark with that crew.
For too long we have all thought justice was impossible. I think it is time we all shift our consciousness.
Bush's days are numbered.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 10:45 am PT...
This administration with Karl at the helm makes Tricky Dick's games look like a garden party.
I wonder if anyone is protecting Fitzgerald and his family?
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2005 @ 4:45 pm PT...
Like the others, I will reserve judgment until I actually see what Fitzgerald is able to achieve in terms of unmasking the lies and corruption of this PNAC-dominated administration.
And, of course, I will live in fear that these nut jobs will go "nuklar" (literally) if they believe themselves to be cornered and running out of options.
Then again, they may be so arrogant as to not see it coming.
But I still have my doubts, and in the end, remember that this fellow is a REPUBLICAN and I personally won't have my faith restored in THOSE animals until I see a whole lot more descent and honest and non-hypocritical ones.
My hope is that in the Plame affaire, a few pieces of evidence will fall into place that show that the President's declaration to congress in advance of the war was made with "knowledge that some of its contents were false," as that would constitute an absolutely unquestionably impeachable offense ("It's not the war [sex], per se, it's the LYING about it.")
Of course, all this matters not if we do not hand the house to the Democrats in '06 and THAT will require a whole separate investigation and prosecution of the election thieves in Ohio, Florida, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, and elsewhere. And we know how likely THAT is.
And, if that all DID happen, there's the question of whether we can actually TRUST the Democrats if we were to give them the House and Senate of if they would sell us out once again as Gore, Kerry and even Hackett did.
Some days, I have a very pessimistic view that this will end any way other than ugly, looking something like Germany in 1939 or Chicago in 1968.
We shall see.
Go to Crawford if you can. Go to Washington, D.C. from September 24 to 26 and take back our democratic republic from these lying, cheating thieves.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 8/23/2005 @ 7:53 am PT...
"...until 2006 comes and with it hopefully a shift in power..."
I have NO hope there will be any shift of power in '06 or any time soon. Not when the neocons are still hawking their phony "voter fraud" "reforms" like new picture ID & voter registration requirements, as if those were the problem.
I just got around to listening to Brad's appearance on Fox News Radio in Seattle on August 8th. You can find it in the Bradblog Archives.
Maddening to listen to. The host continually interrupted him. Brad still did a great job, didn't falter & was very articulate. But as long as the neocons have a stranglehold on the media, only trickles of truth get out there to compete with a continuous torrent of misinformation.
That's why---I gotta keep saying it---I am more & more convinced that, as Brad & Winter Patriot & others keep saying, we have to BE THE MEDIA.
The Whispering Campaign, with a little help from Kinko's, is one good way to go:
Another good thing to do (ok, I haven't done it yet! but Ah'm-a-gonna!...need cardboard...got the white paint, the black paint, the brushes, the bungee cords, the tape, the vehicle...pretty soon now..) is to join forces with the Freeway Blogger:
Just go there & check out the signs...and there are one or two items on this site (go to the weblog) that just might break your heart enough to nudge you into a little adventure in civil disobedience of your own.
Saving America...one sign at a time...:o)
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 8/24/2005 @ 10:44 am PT...
:) Rep. Conyers is also courageously trying to do something and needs help from us.
Please write, or email or call Senator John Kerry and request that he NOT withdraw from the lawsuit against the obstruction of the recount in Ohio. This is very important to Rep. Conyers and I think we should try to help him when he asks.
You can access Sen. Kerry at his website by typing his name into Search Engine. Congress.org will publish your Letters to Leaders on the screen almost immediately so you don't feel that they disappear down a rabbit hole.
PLEASE go to ConyersBlog.com to read about the ACTION ITEMS he provides and requests about Cindy in Crawford, writing letters, signing his letter and VERY IMPORTANT - THAT RAT JOHN KERRY IS ABOUT TO WITHDRAW FROM THE SUIT AGAINST OHIO'S OBSTRUCTION OF THE VOTERS IN THE 2004 PRESIDENTIAL "ELECTION" AND THIS SUIT IS AGAINST THE OBSTRUCTION OF A FAIR RECOUNT.
Anyone who kept up with the daily reports on The Green Party Recount site and Rep. Conyers' brave informal hearings since as a member of the minority party does not have subpeona power and the Republican Chairman Sensenbrenner would not let him hold formal Hearings on Ohio and made him use a basement for the Downing Street Memos hearings also covered by C-SPAN and which featured Cindy Sheehan's testimony about her son's death and introduced Cindy's activism to a wider audience.
People worked their hearts out for Kerry and to have a real President both before the "election" and after in the months long investigation into the Election Fraud in Ohio and Ken Blackwell and others are now in big trouble for suppressing the vote in Ohio for a very long time.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident ... when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
:rolleyes: ARE WE THERE YET?
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 8/24/2005 @ 8:40 pm PT...
Speaking of suspicion, here is something worth reading and pondering.
It's a blog by Citizen Spook. Yes, the same writer who was linked in #13 for his analysis of Fitz's legal status. It raises some disturbing questions based on an in-depth analysis. #29 (and maybe #16?) refer to this, but don't give much information.
TREASONGATE: IN CAHOOTS --- How The White House, Wilson, Novak, Corn and Plame Conspired for Treason
THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION, JOSEPH WILSON, ROBERT NOVAK, DAVID CORN,VALERIE PLAME ET ALS HAVE CONSPIRED TO EXPOSE NETWORKS OF GENUINE INTELLIGENCE AGENTS AND THEIR SOURCES WHO WERE CLOSING IN ON TREASONOUS ACTS PERPETRATED BY THE WHITE HOUSE TO FURTHER AN INSIDIOUS AGENDA OF EMPIRE EXPANSION THROUGH STATE SPONSORED TERRORISM DESIGNED TO CREATE A THIRST FOR REVENGE AND JUSTICE IN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
The meticulous outing of Plame and the media circus that ensued was designed as a smokescreen to cloud the truth and the law while they exposed CIA networks operating to stop WMD proliferation. Genuine agents and sources were left out in the cold while targets were warned and allowed to escape.
-----way more at article-----
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 8/24/2005 @ 8:55 pm PT...
more at TREASONGATE: IN CAHOOTS --- How The White House, Wilson, Novak, Corn and Plame Conspired for Treason
The Plame leak only made the Bush administration appear guilty as sin regarding the Niger documents and the fraudulent reasons for going to war, and I submit to you that this is exactly what the Bush administration and its operatives intended. The decision to go to war was a political issue, and the country is divided along party lines, so it's safe for them to risk the appearance of guilt by "outing" Wilson's wife and looking guilty as long as Wilson, Corn and everybody else repeats the mantra that it was done for revenge, political payback, etc. But the true motivation was to stop the agents she was working with from gathering evidence of mass murder; past present and future.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 8/24/2005 @ 9:16 pm PT...
Hollywood has nothing on the neoCon lie machine. There is no way to tell how deep it goes.
But a grand jury and a petite jury can raise pure hell if they are true patriots ... (just average americans who will kick ass if they need to).
Lets hope in the spirit of the magna-carta-to-the-max jury!
Remember and honor Judge John Sirica!
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 8/26/2005 @ 7:15 pm PT...
"Special Counsel's Showing Decides The Case"
While Joe Wilson, who still hasn't mentioned the hovering ominous specter of 18 USC 794, is in damage control mode cowardly hiding behind the bravery of Cindy Sheehan, and Judith Miller continues to whine about being put in jail for protecting criminals and crimes, I thought it would make good reading to summarize the incendiary 83 page opinion issued by The US Court of Appeals (D.C. Circuit),IN RE: GRAND JURY SUBPOENA, JUDITH MILLER so you can have some judicial perspective from the three judge appellate tribunal as to the seriousness of the crimes Fitzgerald is pursuing.