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"Lou Dobbs: Why Aren't More Black Leaders Blamed for Crisis?"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 9/2/2005 @ 5:50 pm PT...
One would Lou Dobbs is overly critical of poor black people. Nah. He couldn't be that cold. That would make him just like…omigod he *is* just like the OTHERS.
How many real humans are left on the planet? Has the alien invasion happened and no one told me?
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 9/2/2005 @ 6:01 pm PT...
He's usually good. This was a big boner for him. Even if he was trying to make some point (what point?), he came across really, really bad. If his point was, "what blame lies in the local & state levels" vs. the federal level, he did it the wrong way. I think he was implying that the black caucus is not coming down on the mayor, who is black, but would've otherwise came down on him if he was white. But, why even go there? It was inappropriate.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 9/2/2005 @ 6:10 pm PT...
What is not clear here is what exactly he is accusing Mayor Nagin of not doing. Not having a richer tax base, not having a thousand buses at his disposal on 2 days notice to evacuate those with no transportation? Surely not what he has done since the flooding. As far as we know he is the only elected official who has been living in New Orleans since the flooding trying to help with exactly nothing to help with except to beg a state and federal government for help which has been virtually unresponsive. Though all Democrats the white governor and white? senator seem to be less than competent.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 9/2/2005 @ 6:19 pm PT...
Which Black leaders? Colin Powell is retired. Condi Rice was watching a Broadway comedy Wednesday night and was shopping for shoes --- she spent thousands --- last night. And unless Bush uses Michael Jackson dermatologist, I don't see many other black leaders that actually could have had any influence on policy, budget, or the W's ear.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 9/2/2005 @ 6:37 pm PT...
Why is it racist to ask about the responsiveness of a nearly entirely black city government and not racist to say that the basic incompetence of the current administration is to be chalked up to white racisim against blacks? No one comes out of this, white or black, with their innocence intact.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 9/2/2005 @ 6:40 pm PT...
Why the fuck did Lou Dobbs become a racist piece of shit?!???
He sounds like Karl Rove took over his voice!!!!!
KARL ROVE IS A RACIST AND TRAITOR PIECE OF SHIT, NOT DOBBS!!!!!! Lou Dobbs CAN NOT BE THIS RACIST!!!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 9/2/2005 @ 7:38 pm PT...
Subtle, veiled, under-the-surface racism is the worst kind.
It's time to boycott (forever) CNN.
Boycotts are the only thing that really works with people.
Stop watching these morons and soon enough they will put actual human beings in place instead of the Neanderthals they now have.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 9/2/2005 @ 8:10 pm PT...
I lost my taste for Dobbs quite a while back during the faux election campaign. I started getting truly sick of the bastard every time I heard one of his latino hating immigration pieces, this takes the cake though. Someone should drop his rear off, with our dictator at his side, in the convention center.
Mobilize Nov., 02/05 DRIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME!
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 9/2/2005 @ 8:44 pm PT...
How........special. I guess Dobbs desires nothing less than another civil war.
For 5 years now, I've been distinctly ashamed of being a citizen of these United States. That shame having intensified in the last week.
Now, I guess, I get to be fully ashamed of being white.
Just like in the last week it has been agonizing to not be able to do anything helpful, it is crazymaking to not be able to do anything effectively against this kind of assholery. Boycotting, emailing, phonecalling, letterwriting.....does not address this.
At last, what are we 'Murkkkins to do? Sharpen pitchforks?
Y'know, suddenly that phrase in the famous prayer takes on deep meaning: "Deliver us from evil."
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 9/2/2005 @ 10:13 pm PT...
I agree with Big Dan. I was about to write a comment about how outrageous that comment was on DKOS, but then following those comments, he elaborated and said that he believes that ALL levels of government --- local, state, and federal are seriously at blame here.
I then stopped typing.
However, I do believe that he could have made his point in a better, more sensitive manner --- especially when the race issue is a high-profile topic at present.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
John de Mol
said on 9/3/2005 @ 2:46 am PT...
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 3:15 am PT...
It just goes to show that the MSM is part of the administration of hatred.
They have been partners in the business of killing thousands of poor people and covering up with the words they love to use: "Shock and Awe".
This BLOG has been saying this for a long time. Congratulations to those of us here who know what is happening before it becomes painfully aware to the general body politic.
Hatred is on the rise people. Hatred is scheduled to be the predominate emotion in our world.
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The western world has not helped in this equation by worshipping power now has it?
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 4:47 am PT...
To his credit, Lou Dobbs appears not to realize how prejudiced he sounds. However, who knows, especially him, just how deep his prejudice goes? I think he needs to do some soul searching before he is allowed to influence other people.
I did not even know that New Orleans had a black mayor until the mayor was on the news complaining about the lack of Federal response. But so what --- white people have no monopoly on incompetince or corruption.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 7:17 am PT...
This is how I understood how Mr. Dobbs described it:
New Orleans is a disaster area because it is predominantly African American, it is poor and its leaders are African Americans.
Yup, Mr. Dobbs is definitely fucking racist.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 8:18 am PT...
"Deliver us from evil" INDEED, Superwoman!
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 8:40 am PT...
I don't have cable, but CNN was on in our hotel room and I could not believe the tripe coming out of his mouth. I was reminded why I don't watch T.V. "Look at those blacks suffering down there and it's there fault"
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 9:01 am PT...
Dobbs has been accused of being racist while covering border security issues. At the time, I thought it was unfair. While he cannot hide his republican slant, he seemed to really want to handle the issue fairly about what was happening at the border.
I now know that I was giving him too much credit. He is a talking head for Shrub no doubt. This was "damage control" for the republican party. I watched the clip and was horrified!
Using his logic, Shrub should have criticized Jeb for needing federal assistance after the Florida hurricane.
I am ashamed to be a white American today. It is sickening to see the black faces suffering while guns are pointed at them.
An article in the LA Times talks about the troops going into NO expecting some kind of "insurgency"
"...The troops, members of an elite Special Response Team from the Louisiana Army National Guard, were the first convoy out of what was rapidly becoming a massive military staging ground.
Their mission, simply, is to turn New Orleans into a police state — to "regain the city," 1st Sgt. John Jewell said.
... "Lock and load!"
"Sixteen in the clip!" one Guardsman shouted, a common refrain used to indicate that rifles are fully loaded.
But when they arrived, they did not find marauding mobs. They did not come under fire. They found people who had lost everything in the storm and, since then, their dignity."
The Red Cross was also told to stay out until order was restored. Is it the mayor's fault that a national institution was halted from rendering aid by the Federal government?
This is disgusting on so many levels! It almost rises to the level of some kind of ethnic cleansing. Then to hear Dobbs talk about the local black leaders needing to shoulder some of the blame --- after they've been screaming for money to fix the levies for years --- my paranoia about the Busheviks' plans edges to the unthinkable: holocaust! And they've got the MSM going right along with them feeding the Nazi machine.
I am sickened by the horror of this event. It isn't the weather that makes me afraid --- it is our own government!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 9:29 am PT...
There is nothing racist in what Dobbs said. He was attempting to put some perspective on the blatantly unfair remarks by Jesse ("Mr. Exploitation") Jackson, etc., who claimed that the so-called mismanagement of disaster efforts was racially motivated. Jackson equated the situation to the treatment of slaves 400 years ago. Jackson's rhetoric was inflammatory and (typically) uttered groundlessly. If New Orleans had been 100% white with the same percentage of poor people (approx. 40%), then those who could not escape the hurricane due to lack of resources would have all been white. They too would have been stuck in a city without any communications system, without any infrastructure to travel in and out, without food and clean water. Let's not forget that on Monday, after Katrina hit, New Orleans citizens were rejoicing that their city had been spared the full force of the storm. There is one single culprit here: the failure of the levees. If the levees had held, none of this would ever have happened, and New Orleans would have gone along its merry way having dodged another bullet. Read the Oct. 2001 Scientific American (you can find it online). The lengthy, prescient story in there details the longstanding issues surrounding the city's vulnerability to Mother Nature. The story is chilling in its assessment that N.O. is a disaster waiting to happen. The story clearly delineates the doomwatch that N.O. has operated under for years, as well as the failure of local and federal officials to brainstorm, fund and enact long-term solutions to the city's critical environmental problems. The only real wonder is that it didn't happen long before now. The fact is that Bush and his advisors and Cabinet members (and those before him) should have been on this problem years ago. The city's perilous geological positioning and the ongoing controversial efforts to interdict the Mississippi's flow and natural power offer the sole explanation for the magnitude of the current disaster. As far as the plight of the African Americans in N.O., it exists because they are poor, not because they are black. Dobbs makes a legitimate point, which re-focuses the story back to the lack of preparedness of local officials, their slipshod management of the crisis, and the impossible conditions under which the federal responders have had to labor. Without communications or roads on which to travel, the stymied relief efforts, in fact, stalled understandably, though it's doubtful that that should get anyone off the hook for what looks like tentativeness at a time that demanded hard decisive action. We don't call them "emergencies," or "tragedies," for nothing. Every unforeseen event has its scenario, though in this case there was already a partial script written. Citizens were warned in advance, but only the financially comfortable could leave the city. This is a story of the divide between rich and poor. I don't even think Dobbs' remarks were necessarily controversial, but rather they were hard realism. So let's get real: New Orleans would've fallen eventually--it was only a matter of time and circumstance. Its location is no place for a large city, and you can't fight Mother Nature. And by the way, Dennis Hastert is also a truthseeker: It would be folly to rebuild N.O. on the same site. In fact, the whole of southeastern Louisiana needs to be re-thought. The constant tinkering with its natural ecology has brought us to where we are now, and the people who (have) run that state can only blame themselves. In the meantime, we're screwed nationwide, because the impact on shipping and gas and oil supplies is going to be horrendous. We took one of our nation's most vibrant and functionally important coastal areas and ruined it ; this disgrace is now compounded by the ghastly toll in human life. Who says He's not a righteous God?
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 9:48 am PT...
What is not clear here is what exactly he is accusing Mayor Nagin of not doing.
If Nagin cared so much then why does it look like the only reason NO was evacuated was because of Bush?
Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding.
ROFLMAO the racist whitey pres. had to call the black mayor of NO to appeal for an evacuation. What color is the sky in you peoples world?
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 10:25 am PT...
Martin Brady: You are acting like a racist piece of crap but I will agree on one thing.
Its not just outright racism against blacks, its class racism against poor!!!!!!!!
If they were white or any other color they would be left behind too!!!!! The poor are made into a class and people treat them outright unfairly like it is their fault for being desperate!!!!
Bastards!!!! Class racism and fascism in this country must be wiped out for good this time!!!!! I thought the racism of the south was over years ago, that was a LIE!!!!
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 10:32 am PT...
Thank you for posting this!! I was watching when Fat Cat Dobbs made that remark. It was unbelievably racist.
I've watched coverage of many different hurricane evacuations over many years (I live in NC; we get hit a lot). I have never once, not once, seen a single mayor be charged with responsibility for hurricane rescue and relief. Invariably it the state Governor, and the US President, who have this responsibility.
Maybe Dobbs doesn't remember the Jeb and W show last year in Florida. "Compassionate" W and brother Jeb were on the spot, taking charge, almost immediately after the hurricanes.
There's not a mayor in this entire country who has the resourses to deal with the NO disaster.
Oh, one more thing ... Every single instance of hurricane evacuation and relief I have ever seen has included coverage of police and/or troops who protect the city from looting while the residents are gone. That's a normal part of the process; it's the same as locking your front door before leaving home. So why is it that when neither the State or Federal government gave any law enforcement assistance to NO, all the news media was just shocked by the looting? Hello?
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 11:01 am PT...
Which makes it even more important that Dobbs spoke up. Inept, fatally indecisive action by a black mayor set N.O. up for disaster and death. While Nagin and Gov. Blanco sat with their thumbs up their asses, hoping the worst wouldn't happen, Pres. Bush at least sounded the call for them to act. They froze in their tracks, and from the first moment I saw the dynamic duo on TV, I knew we were in trouble. They were hesitant, uninformed, inarticulate. Then they started to blame. It always takes a few days for disaster relief to enter a stricken area. It wasn't until Tuesday that New Orleans' troubles started, and the Feds were in by Thursday and still (understandably) trying to get the lay of the land and a more precise sense of the mission. For anyone (like Jesse Jackson, or Mayor Nagin) to imply that race was the reason for the horror is, well... irresponsible at best, and hate-mongering and reverse-racist at its worst. The locals shirked the imperative to go the extra mile for their own (mostly black) citizens, since apparently a plan is in place whereby all citizens can get out of town on city and school buses. Fleets of them sat before and during the storm. The evidence will show that Pres. Bush followed the protocol; the evidence also shows that Blanco and Nagin are indecisive peabrains. When I first got a gander at Blanco when it all began, I thought, "Uh-oh: An inarticulate governor who doesn't have a grasp of the situation." She stumbled rhetorically from the get-go. Then we got a glimpse of Nagin and his gift for fiction. Clearly, neither was in charge. They're finished as politicians, unless the people down there are as stupid as their leaders. But if we're lucky, they'll scuttle the town and Nagin will simply not have a job to go back to. The people playing the race card did so out of ignorance, embarrasment and fear for their public images. Talk about being knee-deep in shit. Nagin let his own race down, and uninformed dope Jesse Jackson had to go stick his nose into it.
Ted Koppel last night had some tough questions for a La. (U.S.) congressman (name escapes me). He seemed almost as clueless as Blanco. Then he tried to defend her. Koppel's follow-up questions exposed the lawmaker's own lack of knowledge of procedure and the timeline in question. The state looks to be run and represented by dunderheads. Bring back Huey Long!!
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 11:18 am PT...
No, Nagin is NOT responsible for rescue and relief, and I guess he can bitch about that all he wants. But he IS responsible for evacuation procedures. Pres. Bush had already communicated with Nagin and Blanco his awareness of the need for evacuation. He called them days before Katrina hit. The contingency plan that Nagin could not (or would not) put in place involves loading every available citizen up on city and school-system buses and getting them the hell out of there. He didn't do it. Then he had a disaster on his hands, and he started moaning about others letting him down before they even had a reasonable chance to get into a mostly inaccessible terrain to do their jobs.
As they say in "Saving Private Ryan": FUBAR.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 11:23 am PT...
Lou Dobbs is a racist pig. His comments just skim the surface of his predjudice beliefs. He was also voted the meanest television news anchor by a Radar magazine poll. The guy is just a big jerk.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 11:45 am PT...
Rumsfeld and the fema crew are such racist bastards!!!!
"NEW ORLEANS — Combat operations are underway on the streets “to take this city back” in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.
“This place is going to look like Little Somalia,” Brig. Gen. Gary Jones, commander of the Louisiana National Guard’s Joint Task Force told Army Times Friday as hundreds of armed troops under his charge prepared to launch a massive citywide security mission from a staging area outside the Louisiana Superdome. “We’re going to go out and take this city back. This will be a combat operation to get this city under control.”
“We’re here to do whatever they need us to do,” Sgt. 1st Class Ron Dixon, of the Oklahoma National Guard’s 1345th Transportation Company. “We packed to stay as long as it takes.”
While some fight the insurgency in the city, other carry on with rescue and evacuation operations. Helicopters are still pulling hundreds of stranded people from rooftops of flooded homes."
Pentagon sends in military units to destroy the terrorist 'insurgency'
Its become IRAQ!!!!! Thank god these mother fucker fascists are through and we're going to remove them!!!!
James Lee Witt has been brought in to take back control of FEMA, and that fascist Chertoff is stepping down!
Now they're emptying the convention center, FINALLY!!!
Incarceration of these criminal mother fuckers!!! That's all they deserve and hang the traitors.
As for the conservatives they need to take a good long god damn hard look at what has happened here. These people were trying to get food and the army went in guns blazing and killing, treating it like a terrorist threat. People should think about what the hell made them choose this path, and those who want to continue this path need to get out of this country period.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 12:08 pm PT...
OK. Why don't you just point me to DOCUMENTATION where ANY mayor was charged with responsibility for hurricane evacuation. Here's why you won't find it; Every mayor's jurisdiction ends at the city limits but a successful evacuation always requires coordination of traffic outside of the city (so that ppl can get out of the city). Evacuations always involve State government.
One of the big problems of the Bush administration and the far right apologists is they always try to shift blame to someone else. So they never fix the problems they cause (because after all they aren't responsible), and things just get worse and worse. They preach "personal responsibility", but the only time they accept it is when they can claim credit.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 12:44 pm PT...
I'm not sure how your attacks on Nagin are relevant to the failures and lack of response from the federal government. I'm sure that, as mayor, he has made mistakes within the scope of his limited resources and responsibility. But, as Steve said, the responsibility for hurricane disaster relief lies upon the state and federal officials.
How was Nagin supposed evacuate the estimated 136,000 people who did not have the means to evacuate the city? Even if Bush did tell Nagin that the city needed to be evacuated (and I don't know that he did), Bush certainly didn't provide the federal resources needed to do the job. It only goes to show that the Bush Admin. had clear foreknowledge of the potential disaster and should have been prepared to quickly respond.
So, what about the people that were evacuated to the Superdome and convention center? This seems like the next best thing to do for those citizens that could not afford to evacuate themselves from the city. If this evacuation was called for at Bush's or FEMA's instruction, as you say, then why was no food or water delivered to these location for four days? Why was there a complete lack of National Guard or other security forces at these locations? White did Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff claim, as late as Thursday, that he didn't even know that people were at the convention center? Why did the relief supplies not begin to arrive until Bush's embarked on his "kiss the poor coloreds" photo-op on Friday?
I could go on and on. But the fact that Bush "told" Nagin to evacuate (and then went to play golf) just proves, once again, that he and his crooked administration are liars, incompetent at governing or both.
The criticism by Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, and The Congressional Black Caucus was aimed at the immediate need to supply relief to those in the city. There was no need to included Nagin in this criticism because the immediate relief needed was beyond the scope of his ability and responsibility. The fact is that a small group of all-white federal and state officials were dragging their feet in providing relief to thousands of poor (and mostly black) victims.
The criticism of Mayor Nagin, at this point in time, for the purpose of providing immediate relief, is a diversion that I would expect from those that want to maintain the bigoted status quo.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 4:42 pm PT...
Thank you, David Edwards #27.
I just can't help it --- I HATE Bushco. with my entire being. He/they should be removed from office NOW. The country and its citizens will be in tatters and ruins by 2008. If Gore had rightfully assumed the presidency in 2000: (1) 9/11 would not have happened, because Gore knew about the threat and would not have dreamed about going on "summer vacation"; (2) Iraq DEFINITELY would not have happend; (3) therefore funds would have been available for the NO levees and this devastation may well not have happened. The country needs EXPERIENCED INTELLIGENT PEOPLE in charge. Gore had eight years in the W.H. with a successful government. All the Republicans have accomplished in the last 10-15 years is a $60 million Clinton witch-hunt yielding one blow-job, two stolen elections because they cannot get in power any other way, and three horrific disasters noted above in the past five years. HAVE YOU ALL HAVE ENOUGH YET? YOU ALL WANT MORE?? BECAUSE THE IDIOTS IN POWER WILL NO DOUBT GIVE YOU PLENTY SOONER THAN LATER!
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 4:58 pm PT...
Another comment to John and Martin. You ppl and the wingers are out in force claiming that Bush was responsible for the mandatory evacuation of NO on August 28 (citing summary reports on on Gov. Blanco's and Mayor Nagin's August 28 press conference). It's simply not true. Here's what Blanco actually said:
"GOV. KATHLEEN BLANCO, LOUISIANA: This is a very dangerous time. JUST BEFORE WE WALKED INTO THIS ROOM, PRESIDENT BUSH CALLED and told me to share with all of you that he is very concerned about the citizens. He is concerned about the impact that this hurricane would have on our people. And he asked me to please insure that there would be a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans."
Obviously the mandatory evacuation decision was made before Bush's call. Again, if the far right didn't spend all their efforts on excuse making and blame shifting, maybe they could have accomplished something.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 5:14 pm PT...
I don't believe Lou's comments were particulaly racist. I believe he was only bringing up a subject that will be a matter of public debate.
The fact, as Martin pointed out, is that there was no evacuation plan, or if there was one it was not implemented. I can't believe that New Orleans did not have any plan at all, knowing over several years the danger they were in.
And Steve, you're right. "Every mayor's jurisdiction ends at the city limits but a successful evacuation always requires coordination of traffic outside of the city (so that ppl can get out of the city). Evacuations always involve State government.
" So where was the coordination? Prior to the hurricane, did the city and state review their emergency procedures? After Katrina entered the Gulf, did local and state officials open a joint command center, or at least designate a central point of contact? I'm betting they either did or were in the stage of doing so. So were was the breakdown?
A more basic question is how serious was the threat taken? Moving hundreds of thousands of people anywhere is a massive undertaking. You don't even think about doing it unless you are absolutely sure it's warranted. So the reaction is to look at the data and wait until the last possible moment, rightly or wrongly. This happens in every hurricane situation. To get everybody out, to make sure they had adequate supplies, to have security forces on the ground to protect property and to rescue persons who for whatever reason refuse to leave (think Harry Truman, the guy who refused to get off Mount Saint Helens are being told repeatedly it was going to erupt) takes much prior planning and PLENTY of practise.
Lou was not being racist; he is just asking the same questions that everyone will be asking soon.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 5:17 pm PT...
Martin Brady #18 It is true, as you say, that "There is one single culprit here: the failure of the levees. If the levees had held, none of this would ever have happened, and New Orleans would have gone along its merry way having dodged another bullet." (emphasis added)
But from there you go into hopeless folly. Only the federal Corp of Engineers have levee jurisdiction under the law "of that part of the world" (as bu$hit said a day or so ago).
And the White House fought tooth and nail to lower the federal budget for levee repair and modernization, and for wetland improvements that would have prevented this disaster due to the "one single culprit" you mention.
The same fools gave $8,000,000,000 CASH (eight billion) to Iraqi war lords which was "lost". They could not give $20 million to americans and now it will be $100,000,000,000 (one hundred billion) to fix it ... or more.
Gosh that's only one third of what has been spent on "bringing democrazy to Iraq" so far.
Get a grip dude, these neoCons are madmen.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 6:17 pm PT...
Don, read about what actually happened (in the article above), and you'll see there was a coordinated State and Local effort to evacuate people including massive traffic rerouting on the highways etc. Mayor Nagin had ordered mandatory evacuations of various low lying areas of the city the day before and had urged everyone to leave. The city was out in force using bullhorns urging ppl to leave. But some couldn't, and they were sheltered in the Dome (which is above sea level) and thus protected from flooding.
Tthe Mayor and Govorner did evacuate nearly everyone and managed to provide (what should have been) safe shelter for the rest. Given that the Federal Govt. was well aware of the potential crisis, claimed to be preparing for it before the storm struck, and claimed to have troops ready to come in immediately after the storm, I'd say that the Mayor's efforts were quite good. But Bush didn't have the leadership or interest to force the Federal government to do it's part.
Dobb's comments made very little sense (based on the normal role of a Mayor under the circumstances), and also reflected his lack of knowledge on what actually happened in NO (i.e., the actual "news"). But more significantly, he was clearly trying to say that The Congressional Black Caucus, Jesse Jackson, and the others, were prejudiced against white leaders. That was a slap in the face, and an attempt to minimize and dismiss the concerns of the Black leaders. Dobbs didn't cite a single fact to support his negative innuendo, in contrast with the numerous specific facts discussed by the Black leaders.
Unsupported negative innuendo has no place on a news show under any circumstances. When the unsupported negative innuendo is made by attacking someone's race, rather than dealing with the specific concerns that they raise, it's a racist attack, pure and simple.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 9/3/2005 @ 7:21 pm PT...
I took your comments to heart and read the article. Thanks for the link.
You're right. There was a coordinated mandatory evacuation. The governor was doing all she could. So were the mayor and local authorities. The President was concerned and called to make sure it was happening. FEMA was doing all it could. However, what happened, based on the article, was that this was the big one everyone predicted for years and that New Orleans was doomed (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282151.html).
I also took the time to re-read the Dobbs statements. Again, no racism on his part. The mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana are going to have to take their lumps along with the President, if any are due. Because mistakes were made and they will have to answer for theirs. Not as black leaders but as the elected authority in charge. Every time a Navy ship so much as bumps into a rowboat they fire the Captain, because it was his job to keep that from happening. It is not racism to ask why the national black leadership is giving the authorities on the ground a pass and blaming everything on Bush.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2005 @ 7:06 am PT...
The mayor of New Orleans and the governor of Louisiana are going to have to take their lumps along with the President, IF ANY ARE DUE."
There you go again. Negative innuendo with no facts.
Don't you care that people are dying? Doesn't the Federal non-response to a major disaster worry you? Excuses and blame shifting won't fix any of these problems. The far right needs to put people's lives ahead of excuse-making. They need to do it now.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2005 @ 10:36 am PT...
O.K, O.K A'READY...... ENOUGH OF THE BLAME GAME RHETORIC!!! WHAT IS BEING MISSED IS THE IMMEDIATE NEED TO "PUMP-THE-CITY-DRY" TO CONTINUE THE LIMITLESS OPPORTUNITY TO FINGERPOINT,WHICH SOLVES NOTHING, JUST THINK OF HOW WATER COULD HAVE BEEN PUMPED OUT OF THE CITY THIS MORNING ALONE!! AND, I GUARANTEE ALL WILL FEEL BETTER WITH THE DISAPPEARANCE OF ALL THAT H 2 O. TAKE SOME OF THOSE GIGANTIC OIL TANKERS AND FILL-'EM-UP THEY HOLD MILLIONS OF GALLONS DON'T THEY? TRUCK THE WATER AND "TANK- IT OUT " THEN :"BOIL IT INTO OBLIVION"!!!!!!!
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2005 @ 2:41 pm PT...
You are right Karl when you say a lot needs to be done. And its time to get to it. But you are wrong about taking responsibility and demanding accountability.
Hurricane season isn't over yet. And there are numerous other disasters that can happen without warning. The attempted blame shifting by Bush and his apologists, including Dobbs, is a sure path to many unhappy returns of this dismal failure. If the people responsible for disaster relief can't simultaneously do their job and identify the problems responsible for their failures up to this point, then its time to bring in people that can.
Like it or not, things aren't going to improve so long as these people don't understand that they could have, and should have, performed their job at a level orders of magnitue above what just happened.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2005 @ 4:24 pm PT...
I get what Dobbs is saying. Its the black city's council's falt they didn't truck in food and supplies for 5 days. FEMA was just waiting for the go from those "blacks" but it never came...
There were two disasters here. The 1st one was the effects of the hurricane. This is the disaster we can call a "natural disaster". Lets be thankful that 30,000 to 50,000 people went to the shelters (the convention center and superdome) and so maybe some lives were saved.
The 2nd disaster was the levee system breaking & the 50,000+ survivors who were left (at the convention center, superdome, homes, and hospitals) to die, with no food or water for 5 days. FIVE DAYS! This was a MAN-MADE disaster - and the only reason it did happen was because of gross incompetence and a complete disinterest in providing serious relief and aid to survivors.
Bush & FEMA are directly responsible for the deaths and suffering that happened as a result, BECAUSE they cut emergency aid to New Orleans and scrapped funds to improve the levee system in 2001 - AFTER being told that a hurricane hitting N.O. was one of 3 most likely disasters - and AFTER a mock exercise in '01 SHOWED the levee system failing, resulting in looting & and an avacuee crisis.
Bush & FEMA are directly responsible for the deaths and suffering that happened as a result, BECAUSE they REFUSED to send in the necessary aid and support to the survivors. Instead they treated the entire city like a prison riot and sent in troops FIRST (3-4 days later), with shoot-to-kill orders. Hearing a single gunshot is no excuse call off a relief effort for 30,000+ people as did happen at the convention center AND ESPECIALLY NOT for an entire city. After the public figured out "looting" did not directly threaten FEMA's ability to bring aid, we started hearing rumors of "riots" - though they were never confirmed or detailed. We heard stories of "gangs" beating back police from the convention center - though the people there said the police abandoned them. THEN we heard that most of the city was inaccessible - though somehow the "gangs", "looters", and reporters didn't have trouble. THEN we heard stories of rapists running rampant - though one wonders how 30,000 to 50,000 people compacted side-by-side would just do nothing.
What we have is a slowly evolving picture that paints the survivors as "barbaric, criminal, and seemly more interested in crime than food or water. This is the cover for why they simply let children, adults, the elderly, and even babies die of starvation & dehydration. Those people weren't victims of riots or gangs - they were victims of Bush & FEMA's complete unwillingness to bring aid and supplies to the survivors. Even now the Red Cross is still denied entry (as are many other groups who sought to bring aid) 1st because FEMA wanted everyone evacuated and said that relief groups coming in would "attract people back" (is the food really that good?) - then because of the "extreme danger" - and now because they don't want people going back into the city (again, is the food that good?).
Just ask yourself "would they have done this in NYC on 9.11?" HELL NO! "would they have done this if it was the Hamptons?" F#CK NO! "would they have done this if most of those dieing faces on CNN were white? YOU BET YOUR #$%@ AS$ NO!
From this event, we know two things for sure about Bush.
#1 Bush is criminally incompetent. He can not OR will not protect against nor properly respond to major disasters - natural or terrorist.
#2 Bush does not care about black people. His entire response has been built around minimizing personal damage & even that has been too little too late. One consistent pattern of Bush's is that a primary political target is always blacks. He did this in his 1st primaries when he ran ads about Mcain's black adopted daughter. He did this during the '00 election when his brother purged 90,000 blacks from the roles (listed them as felons, of course). Blacks were even the target in the '04 election when black precints in OH were deliberately short-stocked voting booths and had to wait 8hours to vote... yet white precints averaged 15minutes. There are many examples that explicitly show Bush at minimum doesn't care about blacks, and at most detestes them. The New Orleans disaster is a shining example of perhaps the latter.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2005 @ 7:28 pm PT...
Lou Dobbs has gone from being the world's foremost business journalist to becoming a complete hack. His constant fear mongering, one track "news" show and pedestrian economics are not to be taken seriously. What's most astounding is that CNN allows him to keep his job since his show has become just plain boring.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2005 @ 10:09 pm PT...
how about every one not being so thin skinned and full of hate?its obvious that it was a huge failure by the authorities.but state and local govt has to bear some responsibility.this board demonstrates the division and hatred that exists all across this country.which is just another of many rewasons im moving to southeast asia nas soon as i can.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 9/4/2005 @ 10:18 pm PT...
Lou Dobbs comments are ALL ABOUT THE RATINGS GAME,AND MAKING ALL OF US OVERLY PARANOID AND EMOTIONAL.AND IT WORKS.MILLIONS TUNE IN EVERY NIGHT.TURN OFF THE TV AND TRUST IN THE LORD
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 5:45 am PT...
"...And that group had better bone-up on the subjects and VOTE!"
We hear it yet again. Right. Get out there & vote, people!
On the illegitimate, manipulated, compromised, fake, fraudulent, fixed, fucked-with voting machines.
So they can add, subtract, flip, erase, black out, lose, throw away, nullify, obliterate, and put stickers over
our precious, pathetic, meaningless VOTES.
BY ALL MEANS!! DO THAT!!! AND BY-THE-FUCKING-WAY, JUST HOW DEEP IS THAT SAND IN WHICH YOU PERSIST IN STICKING YOUR DEAF, DUMB & BLIND HEAD?!!!
SORRY. Sorry for shouting. Sorry for being impolite.
Sorry for everything. Jesus FUCK.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 7:24 am PT...
iso said "The point regarding the New Orleans tragedy Dobbs was making is that if you start pointing fingers - point equally."
First iso, since you claim to be a language and communications analyst, one must assume that you intentionally chose to use the perjoritave term, "finger pointing". The term, of course, is a dismissal and denegration of the concerns of the Black leaders.
Second iso, when any reasonable person seeks to identify the cause of a problem, the analysis is directed to items that might have caused the problem. One does not waste their time with items that bear no reasonable relationship to the problem. In the set of items that might have caused the problem, one normally focuses on the items that are the most likely causes first, and continues on from there. Had you not dismissed the whole problem as mere "finger pointing", you might have realized that it is neither effective nor efficient to spend problem solving resourses equally on (i) likely causes and (ii) other items bearing no causal relationship to the problem.
The "black" mayor of New Orleans wasn't responsible for coordination and implementation of outside relief efforts. The "black" mayor had no authority over State or Federal troops, which were desperately needed in New Orleans. The "black" mayor had no authority over any of the Federal agencies that weren't doing their jobs.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 9:12 am PT...
Well lets see we have mobs of black people riding around in pickup trucks bristling with firearms terrorizing citizens, shooting at policemen, rescue workers and helicopters. We have gangs of black people raping and murdering whites in the Superdome. We have Black cops LOOTING at Wal-Mart. We have among many others the body of a soldier who was shot to death with his own rifle outside the Superdome. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Now one of you people tel me just exactly who in the hell would have gone in there except a very well armed and large military unit? Hell the National Guard choppers that flew into the Superdome parkinglot couldn't even LAND because of hostiles. They had to hover and throw the supplies out onto the asphalt!
Not only that, I keep hearing all this stuff about New Orleans being 70% black. Uhh, did this storm somehow only affect downtown New Orleans?? I think not! I just watched a news video of a prodominently white area that had been completely ERASED from the map. floodwater and timber is all that remained. People floating around on makeshift rafts etc etc. Guess what, NO looting, NO raping, NO murders. These people had banded together and were HELPING one another. And they, like the peopel in the Superdome had NOTHING, no resources!
And as far as Lou Dobs....a racist? Ha! The mayor of New Orleans had a city bus fleet capable of carrying no less than 13,000 people in a SINGLE trip and didn't even use them when he had a chance!!! And these were just the busses that were on totally dry land!
You know some of you people never cease to amaze me. But your credibility as always is shattered by cold hard facts. And yet, even so, you still scream that it's all whitey's fault. You know I was looking through one of the news sites a few minutes ago and couldn't help but notice the irony of 2 pictures that appeared side by side. On the left was the dead and badly bruised body of a white guy who had been beaten to death by a mob at the Superdome and on the right a picture of 5 white people hauling black mothers and their children out of a flood zone in a johnboat.
But I suppose bringing these FACTS to light makes me a pice of trash racist in your eyes. Well guess what? I don't give a hairy rats behind! And I think that most Americans are a little sick of this crap too. We're finally moving into the age where the whole "it's all whitey's fault" mentality has worn out it's welcome with all except alot of black people and some hardcore leftist whites. I myself being a perfect example. I used to spew the same kind of sewage I see on this page until one day I took a good hard look at the evidence that had been all around me my whole life.
Jim Robinson Dayton Ohio
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 10:34 am PT...
Well Jim, you certainly have a lot of stories. Problem is that stories are often not true. You haven't provided a single source for any of your stories. Unless you can do that so that others can examine (i) the accuracy of your second-hand reports of what you claim to have seen and read, and (ii) the details and accuracy of the sources themselves; one must assume that you are merely relating a bunch of rehashed urban legend fairy tales.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 12:17 pm PT...
Sorry, but you are waay off-base on Lou Dobbs. As a language and communications analyst, I pay close attention to media and political messaging.
As with any communication, context is important and not just the immediate context of what was presented, but sometimes more context from history or otherwise alluded to. The point regarding the New Orleans tragedy Dobbs was making is that if you start pointing fingers - point equally.
I agree that pre-disaster pointing should be in ernest AFTER the immediate life-saving is accopmplished and post-disaster pointing start now when it can alter failed thinking and action in this effort that continues to cost lives.
Regarding immigration, Dobbs clearly makes a distinction between the legality and impact of HOW people get here vs. the (and his) non-issue of what race, ethnicity and nationality they are.
Dobbs has been THE ONLY voice, from very early on, sounding the drum on a host of topics that are critical to the American working-class of ANY and ALL ethnicities. And that group had better bone-up on the subjects and VOTE!
THOSE WHO ARE SO EXCERCISED ON THIS ISSUE NEED TO FOCUS ON THEIR ENERGIES ON THE LEGISLATIVE BODIES AND THE POLITICIANS - not Lou Dobbs.
And NO, I am not employed by CNN or related to Lou
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 12:19 pm PT...
Jim, let me help you out with one of your stories; the reports of shots fired at a Chinook helicopter. As it turns out, reports of that incident were apparently based on rumor, not on fact.
September 1, 2005 Thursday
PRESS CONFERENCE WITH MICHAEL CHERTOFF, SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY
Q There have been reports of shootings at helicopters or in other areas that have caused FEMA personnel to stand down, at least temporarily. Can you give us a sense of how widespread that level of violence is and exactly what's being done to deter that?
SEC. CHERTOFF: Well, I spoke to General Honore. I spoke to Mike Brown, who's on the ground, and to our particular --- our specific federal coordinating officer. We know there's been some isolated criminal misbehavior. I haven't actually received a confirmed report of someone firing on a helicopter.
Inquiries made to the Federal Aviation Administration in Washington also undercut the accuracy of those initial rumors. Laura Brown, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington said the FAA had recieved no such report.
"We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of them reported being fired on," she said, adding that the FAA was in contact with the military as well as civilian aircraft."
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 12:24 pm PT...
I'm not sure whether I'm smoking crack or if this is a valid and germaine point to make:
Everybody in the crypto-theocracy currently masquerading as a secular government in Washington is a 'Christian' fundamentalist. As Christian fundamentalists, they begin policy meetings with prayer sessions and casually ignore the constitutionally enshrined separation of Church and state on an almost daily basis. The people running the world's most powerful government believe that everything in the Bible is literally true - no symbolism, allegories or parables for them. And, much as I like to mock 'Jeezuzland', they seem to have very little time for the progressive, forgiving kinda wussy God that the New Testament puts forward. Bush is an Old Testament guy all the way - it's the vengeful tribal god of war Yahweh for him.
Consequently, they would also believe that Yahweh cursed the black race after he'd done flooding the world and looking after Noah. In Genesis, he curses the sons of Ham and the descendants of Canaan, 'blackens' their line and exiles them to his least favorite continent of Africa. This might sound loony to non-Bible bashers, but, to the Reverend Bush, this stuff is 100% true. God's curse on the sons of Ham that they'll also be "servant of servants" came in mighty handy for pious Christians who twere also slave-owners.
So is it so far-fetched to imagine that Bush's lack of interest in the destruction of New Orleans could be a result, at least partly, of him viewing this disaster as part of God's ongoing plan to dump on the black race?
If this hypothesis sounds crazy to you, remember that it's 2005 and we have a President in the White House who believes Hell is actually located in the center of the Earth, he believes the dead will physically rise from their graves on the day of judgment, and that the Book of Revelations is about to come true.
I have no intention of offending any genuine 'people of faith' who actually have rational feelings and human emotions, but I'm sure as hell sick of being accused of anti-religious intolerance by the morons who justify Bush's every outrageous action on the basis that he, like them, is 'of faith'.
Did anyone else see the dumb bitch at Camp Casey carrying a sign that said "Cindy, Prove You're A Christian"? I rest my case.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 2:04 pm PT...
...it was deliberate. Bush's people saw an opportunity that by denying people aid, more would die - freeing up valuable land for development. it was deliberate.
..I would like to add something to the bubbling pot that might cast a light on the disgusting official breakdown of rescue and support. This afternoon, I was having lunch at the Cosmos Club out on Massachusetts Avenue. A good friend is a member of the posh club (that once was the elegant town home of Sumner Welles), and while at lunch, I was privy to a very vocal conversation at one of the big round center tables in the club dining room.
One man was giving an overview of the situation to a group of his friends. The speaker was an undersecretary of an important department, well-liked by Bush and often in the White House to consult. The others ranged from an academic economist whose writings can be seen in a right wing paper and a number of Washington-based businessmen, all of whom are active and heavy contributors to the Bush White House.
The loud one had obviously had a few drinks at the bar and this is probably why he was not more discreet. The gist of his comments was horrible to contemplate and it sounded like a top Nazi discussing Jews.
It is well known here that the Bush family and many of the top advisers at the White House are racists but instead of detesting Jews, in this case, they all detest blacks. Their rationale, aside from their view of racial superiority, is that blacks are all “welfare queens, unwed mothers and drug dealers.” It was the very firmly stated view of the host that it was better for everyone that New Orleans was under water for the time being.
In that way, we were told (and I was not the only person in the dining room who heard all this), this served to “chase out the niggers” and permit Bush-supporting businessmen from buying up the soon-to-be condemned sodden houses for five cents on the dollar from friendly insurance companies (which one of them was a CEO of) and put up an enlarged and very profitable combination of industrial park and office building section. The money for this would, naturally, come from government grants which a terrified Congress (Mid Term elections are coming) had just voted for and the contracts to demolish the wrecked low-income slums would go, as a no-bid contract, to another stellar Bush supporter.
As for the refugees, our table of proto-fascists all commented on the fact that most of them were on welfare and probably all voted Democratic so they could all be shipped to California or Chicago at the public expense and allowed to occupy less valuable public housing there.
This conversation went on in a similar vein for some time and it was difficult for both myself and my host to refrain from making nasty comments or, for that matter, to enjoy our meal. These people are greedy and purely evil and I am positive from the overall conversations that Bush is conversant with this attitude and has no intentions of interfering with it.
He had an unparalleled opportunity to revive his sagging opinion polls and make an appearance in New Orleans, naturally with an army of sycophants and eager media, and be seen (in a safe place…probably in Baton Rouge…because the desperate black citizens of New Orleans have taken to shooting at people and Bush is scared to death of violence) holding a small and photogenic black child whilst comforting its mother. Instead, Bush, typically, opted to sail overhead in his luxury Air Force One and having seen the inundated city below, retired to his small but elegant dining room for a nice lunch with some of his top aides.
I should also note here that Bush now has added the Mayor of New Orleans and a half a dozen irate and very articulate news reporters to his hate list because they have dared to criticize him to a very large audience.
Maybe this time, the Democrats will organize and nail him and his friends to a wall somewhere and then open the flood gates and watch them drown like the rats that they are.”
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 2:05 pm PT...
it was deliberate. arrest those in the WH, FEMA, Homeland Security, now for criminal negligence now and add more charges as they come.....
Some would say it is unseemly to speak of politics and race in the presence of a massive calamity that has destroyed the lives and prospects of so many people from all backgrounds. But I beg to differ. As we have witnessed, over and over again, the rich and powerful are very quick to reward themselves as soon as disaster presents the opportunity.
Remember that within days of 9/11, the Bush regime executed a multi-billion dollar bailout for the airline industry. By the time you hear this commentary, they may have already used the New Orleans disaster to bail out the insurance industry one of the richest businesses on the planet. But what of the people of New Orleans, 67 percent of whom are Black?
And we all know that the prevailing model for urban development is to get rid of poor people. The disaster provides an opportunity to deploy this model in New Orleans on a citywide scale, under the guise of rebuilding the city and its infrastructure.
"Each day since Katrina brings more evidence of the lethal ineptitude of federal officials. I'm not letting state and local officials off the hook, but federal officials had access to resources that could have made all the difference, but were never mobilized.
Here's one of many examples: The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S.S. Bataan, equipped with six operating rooms, hundreds of hospital beds and the ability to produce 100,000 gallons of fresh water a day, has been sitting off the Gulf Coast since last Monday - without patients.
Experts say that the first 72 hours after a natural disaster are the crucial window during which prompt action can save many lives. Yet action after Katrina was anything but prompt. Newsweek reports that a "strange paralysis" set in among Bush administration officials, who debated lines of authority while thousands died."
"While a rising chorus in the press has taken the White House, FEMA and the Pentagon to task for performing miserably in their response to the human disaster on the Gulf Coast, few have focused on the most telling aspect of the entire failure. It’s not just incompetence. It’s a shameful lack of concern: The 9/11 “My Pet Goat” dithering on an administration-wide scale.
Simply stated, the president and his top advisers chose vacation over action.
While the media has done a good job in portraying the overall deadly failure of leadership, it has not focused enough on this deadly dereliction of duty."
"In his presidential debate with Al Gore, Bush asserted that natural disasters are events that “test the mettle” of leaders. Bush has now overseen three national catastrophes --- 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, and Hurricane Katrina --- and it is now abundantly clear that Bush is all mush and no mettle.
Bush --- who spent a good portion of his first forty years drinking, drilling dry wells as a failed oilman, and escaping his National Guard duties --- has no business being president. Is there any doubt that Bush overreacted on Iraq and under reacted on Katrina? Does anyone who has seen the devastation in New Orleans --- let alone Iraq --- still believe America is safer for having our National Guard troops patrolling Saddam’s slums rather than on call to protect America’s shattered cities?"
"Bush's single-minded focus on the "war against terrorism" has compounded a natural disaster and turned it into the greatest calamity in American history. The U.S. has lost its largest and most strategic port and thousands of lives, and 80 percent of one of America's most historic cities is under water.
If terrorists had achieved this result, it would rank as the greatest terrorist success in history.
..Despite the dire warnings delivered by the 2004 hurricane season, the Bush administration made deep budget cuts for flood control and hurricane funding for New Orleans. The US Senate, alarmed at the Bush administration's insanity, was planning to restore the funding for 2006. But now it is too late. Many multiples of the funding that would have saved the city now have to be spent to rescue it.
Not content with leaving New Orleans unprotected, it took the Bush administration five days to get the remnants of the National Guard not serving in Iraq, along with desperately needed food and water, to devastated New Orleans. This is the slowest emergency response by the US government in modern times. By the time the Bush administration could organize any resources for New Orleans, many more people had died and the city was in total chaos.
Despite the most dismal performance on record, Bush's Homeland Security Secretary, Michael Chertoff, said on Thursday that the Bush administration has done a "magnificent job."
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 2:19 pm PT...
Lou Dobbs may have not said things gracefully but it is about time someone cut throught the shit! Can this country not focus on the importance of saving people before we start pointing fingers and playing the blame game? It was the local government's responsibility to have an emergency contengency plan in effect- which obviously they did not. The Federal Government is prohibited by law from barging in and taking over a state operation without a specific request from the governor, which didn't happen in a timely manner. It is not a matter of race, it just appears that way b/c of the population of minorities in Louisiana. Now we have troops down there living in the same condition as the refugees and people are complaining that the food they are served is not good enough- it's the same thing the soldiers are eating. It's about time for these "black leaders" to stop looking for racism behind every word and action.....they turn into self-fulfilling prophecies because they won't leave the pity party. They are all victims and not responsible for their own actions.....what b/s is that? If a white or hispanic or jew said what they are saying we would be crucified and told to grow up.... OH- and let's not forget that rescue attempts were thwarted by people shooting at the people sent to evacuate too..... Color is not the issue in evacuating these people and it does not help to bring up such petty issues in a time as tragic as this in our country's history..... There is a difference between blunt and racist, perhaps people should think about that.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 2:40 pm PT...
As long as Lou Dobbs has been at CNN, it's amazing that he hasn't learned one of the basics; Black persons shall not be criticized unless they are Republican, at which point they may no longer be considered black.
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 2:42 pm PT...
Lori, talk about shit (your word), just about everything you've posted is just that. State and local govt did have an emergency plan in effect - take a look at the LA Governor's web site to see the formal docs declaring a state of emergency and asking for emergency federal assistance (and executed just prior to when Katrina struck). Moreover, a US President can declare martial law, take over contol of local law enforcement and troops on a moments notice, just as was done by Bush Sr. during the Los Angeles riots - Bush Jr. decided not to do that in the New Orleans situation. The "thwarting" of the rescue attempts by gunfire is simply an untruth - see the articles I cite above.
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 3:21 pm PT...
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 3:42 pm PT...
Now Steve there is just ONE confirmation for you. I'm not going to find every single link to every AP article and video that proves my point. You're the one who's wrong so YOU go do the research dummy. Look up the article from Reuters on the 30 British Tourists who were trapped in the Superdome. Look up the article on the 2 guys who barely escaped with their lives from the Stadium while a 3rd was beaten to death...because they were white. In fact there is a great picture out there of the beaten man's body after it was finally recovered when they emptied out the Dome. Go watch the video of the helicopters hovering over the parkinglot throwing out supplies because they were unable to land. Go watch the video of the pickup truck full of armed blacks rolling down the street. It's all there and tons more.
MSNBC, ABC, Reuters, Fox, CBS etc etc.
I know you don't want these things to be true. It's all too easy to blame white people. Or the American Govt. Truth be known I think George Bush is a traitor and a complete moron. But that's beside the point and it doesn't take a damned rocket scientist to see why it's so hard for anyone to get in there and help these people.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 4:05 pm PT...
That shooting incident from yesterday is still a developing story whether you know it or not. Initially AP reported that police had accidentally killed Army Corps of Engineers construction workers. Later the story was corrected to say that police had killed six or seven men who had fired on construction workers (same as the version you linked to). Tonight the story has changed on CNN. Now its reported that police "confronted" a group of "heavily armed" men on the bridge and killed two in a firefight. We don't know what actually happened yet.
Last year there was also violence in Miami before Federal troops arrived after the hurricane there. It is a sad fact that there is a criminal element in our society that takes advantage of these situations. The use of Federal and State troops to prevent looting and restore law and order after a natural disaster is something that is planned for and expected.
BTW, the only report so far of any soldier being hurt by violence is the report of a LA National Guardsman who panicked and shot himself in the leg (fortunately the wound wasn't serious).
No question but that everyone owes a debt of gratitude to local, federal and state law enforcement people in New Orleans. But lets face it, one incident, with facts that continue to change, doesn't come close to being the violent chaos that some have claimed.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 4:10 pm PT...
Jim, there are lots of rumors that have proven untrue. I take it from your last post that you cannot document your charges. Not surprising.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 4:16 pm PT...
Not paying much attention are you, Steve. I've seen all the stuff Jim has mentioned.
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 4:30 pm PT...
Document it Godfrey so that your and Jim's second hand accounts, and the original sources can be verified. Perhaps you will recall the attacks the far right made on Dan Rather not too long ago. 'nuff said.
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 4:46 pm PT...
HEY HAVE YOU HEARD THE RUMOR that survivors being airlifted out were shipped to incinerators in Alabama? under direct orders of Bush......
^^^this rumor is as credible & ridiculous as the rumor that starving, dehydrated people were more interested in looting and raping than leaving. Its a convenient cover that plays on racist stereotypes & allows ballon-headed republicans (like jim) to play pretend. Though, I do not doubt that Bush would if he could...
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 4:47 pm PT...
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 4:51 pm PT...
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 4:53 pm PT...
Google it or remain ignorant. You're not my job. I don't care what you believe.
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 4:54 pm PT...
As I said before people like you never cease to amaze me.
I told you where to go. Even put a direct link up for you showing you what a tough time folks are having just getting in there to try and let some of the water out of the damn place.
And instead of trying this "one story that is still developing" horshit why don't you go read the stories and watch the videos yourself? I know they are out there, I have seen them. So one of two things is happening here. Either you are so computer illiterate that you don't know how to point and click with a mouse on the MSNBC homepage...OR...you already know these things to be true but since it goes against everything you want so badly to BE true that your using a good old stall tactic. I tend to think the latter.
Well as much as I'd like to see more people like you wake up and smell the coffee here I must move on.
And by the way, all of my choice words aside "dummy, idiot etc." I don't dislike you. I tend to get a little frustrated when arguing a point with folks who refuse to look at the facts.
This will be my last visit to the page, take care.
And WAKE UP FOR PETE'S SAKE!
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 5:07 pm PT...
Jim is amazed that someone refutes his charges so he hurls insults and runs away. Impressive.
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 5:17 pm PT...
To Godfrey -They're your assertions. Not surprised you can't document them.
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
said on 9/5/2005 @ 5:47 pm PT...
Godfrey - guess you missed this one:
Army Lieutenant General Russel Honore said today that fewer than 10,000 people remained in New Orleans.
Speaking after police shot dead five gunmen who had attacked engineers yesterday, he denied that authorities were struggling to contain outbreaks of lawlessness. "This is not a city under siege," he told NBC television "This city needs help from the big people in America and its technology to get back on its feet."
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
said on 9/6/2005 @ 6:21 pm PT...
"CNN" stands for "Cracker News Network".
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
said on 9/7/2005 @ 12:17 pm PT...
Military personnel patrol St. Charles Street in New Orleans, where residents fearful of looters have been shouting to passing Humvees to alert the soldiers to crimes in progress. (By Shannon Stapleton — Reuters)
“We’re having some pretty intense gun battles breaking out around the city,” said Capt. Jeff Winn of the New Orleans police SWAT team. “Armed gangs of from eight to 15 young men are riding around in pickup trucks, looting and raping,” he said.
Troops Back From Iraq Find Another War Zone In New Orleans, ‘It’s Like Baghdad on a Bad Day’
By Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 6, 2005; A10
Hmm...thought I could manage one more appearance.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
said on 9/7/2005 @ 9:08 pm PT...
Jim, In a message above, you identified your home as Dayton Ohio. Looks like violent crime is extremely high in Dayton compared to national averages. (Murder, 449% national average; Forcible Rape, 350% national average, etc.; Dayton Crime Statistics) Hope you never have any emergencies there.
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
said on 9/8/2005 @ 5:11 pm PT...
Oh don't worry about me too much pilgrim I have no problem with shooting looters.
But just out of curiosity what does that have to do with my last post? I came all the way back here for a dose of your infinite wisdom. Maybe even that Shannon Stapleton, Captain Jeff Winn, Scott Tyson and all the residents stopping the Humvees and alerting them to crimes in progress are all just racists or something. But...nothing...nata....zelch.
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
said on 9/9/2005 @ 1:48 pm PT...
Jim said, "But just out of curiosity what does that have to do with my last post?"
Jim, if you can't understand what I wrote, I don't think spoon feeding it to you would help.
Just continue playing the "excuse game". If you or someone you know or love is abandoned in a furture disaster, maybe you won't give a damn.
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 11:47 pm PT...
I have heard N.O. residents that either got out of the city before or after the Hurricane say on the news "When I heard they were going to open the flood gates, I left..." or "We would have been all right if they hadn't opened the flood gates..."
What and whom are they refering to?
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
said on 9/26/2005 @ 3:18 am PT...
but everybody know that this fat old ignorant guy is a racisit person. i know him for years and years and all his reports to black, natives and hispanics always have negavites comments. he is just an other ignorant with power in the media. :O
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
said on 4/28/2006 @ 1:22 pm PT...
:D I CANT BELIVE IT TOOK THIS LONG FOR YOU TO FIND OUT :doze: :O
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 1:31 am PT...
Mr. Lou Dobbs, CNN anchor at 6 PM Eastern Time, he calls with an out loud derogatory expressions to all colored immigrant populations in this country as â€śIllegal Immigrants.â€ť He just straight outright blame almost 12 million undocumented immigrants in this country for this immigration mess. Why canâ€™t we ask a question first? Why do we have so many undocumented immigrants at the first place? Why Canada or western European countries donâ€™t have the undocumented immigrants? Well Canada and Western European countries have more immigrants than we do here. In proportionately our immigration population does not even make half of their immigrant population. Even though their immigration population is much larger than here, even though they donâ€™t call themselves as nations of immigrations, but at least they do have a very systematic immigration system, which automatically forces migrants to become documented immigrants.
Our country needs immigrants to keep up as a powerful nation and a powerful economy. Our job market needs them. Keep in mind almost 100% undocumented immigrants are employed. Today, this is a generation that has a large portion of its population with an aging generation in US. It needs new immigrants. That is the only future left for American Economy. Those 12 Million undocumented immigrants are so called illegal because country does not have any proper immigration system to legalize those people. Its immigration is a big mess like war in Iraq. My question is why this nation does not have a proper legalized immigration system? We all agree that we need an effective immigration policy? We should not allow in the future anyone to become illegal immigrant! We must need an Immigration Policy for those undocumented immigrants as well!
However, such an immigration policy cannot be filled with Lou Dobbs chauvinistic hatred and unrealistic views. Our immigration policy must be realistic and must accept the fact that we have over 12 million undocumented immigrants already living in this country before even we should think about Guest Workersâ€™ programs. Our new immigration policy must ensure that we will not facilitate anymore-undocumented immigration from this point on. Every inhabitant of this land must be part of our social systems.
However, going back to Lou Dobbs, I guess he is just an ignorant arrogant white racist man who wants to gain some fame among radical whites. His views on immigration are just too radical. Viewer must know the source when they watch Lou Dobbs.
Lou Dobbs is just an old style White arrogant radical racist, who hates everything, who survive day-to-day basis on blaming others. Lou hates all immigrant population in this country but except white immigrants. He is a true picture of a racist in our time. As we all know now that racism shaped in a different form, I call it digital form, it is too tiny to see thru, and it is micro racism! Racism is just an American Legacy and Lou Dobbs is the legend of that legacy! Yes! Modern racism shaped its own form after the Civil Right movement. Today, We need more Rosa Parks to fight back such micro racism.
Fact is that Lou Dobbs just simply forgot that he is also from an immigrant generation.
Oh! Sorry! I forgot that he is a Radical White Immigrant.
I guess it is the time for CNN to send him back to school to get some education on the history of human migration in the world. Lou Dobbs is a shame for American media. He is a disgraceful anchorman using media to spread over half a century old chauvinistic hatred like Hitlerâ€™s propaganda minister Paul Joseph Goebbels, and CNN and his boss Mr. Jonathan Klein (CNN President) has given him the open license to do so!
Lou Dobbs is just a typical Confederate White Racist. He is nothing but a KKK member in undercover.
He just simply remind me the Paul Joseph Goebbels who was born on October 29, 1897 and went to hell on May 1, 1945, who was Adolph Hitler's Propaganda Minister.
Now yet we have our Lou Dobbs, who is the Propaganda Minister for Caucasian News Network (CNN) and his boss is a White Supremacist Neo Nazi KKK supporter Mr. Jonathan Klein
CNN President Phone: (404) 827-1500.
Fellow Americans It is the time for us to be United and stick together for what this Nation All about. Lou Dobbs and his bosses are just simply trying to make this country a pure White like Nazi Germany. They want to make this country to be ruled by pure whites and whites only and all other races must be their servant and they must be the under class citizens other words modern days slavery.
Lou Dobbs is actually our Joseph Goebbels in our time. We must fight back and drive them out of business. We can do this and together we will fire Lou Dobbs and his boss Jonathan Klein.
Please call CNN (404) 827-1500 and protest against their hate crime!
Note that media like CNN always taken the major supportive role in the past for most of the hate crimes and genocides from Hitlerâ€™s Germany to Darfur including Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, Congo, Birmingham- Alabama, Jackson - Mississippi, Nashville - Tennessee or in the Hartland of America. CNN is just doing the same thing to gain short-term profit and keep KKK alive.
We must stop them now!
Otherwise it will be to late to stop!
Like we did and we waited in Germany, Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda, Darfur, and so onâ€¦
So at this time best way to fight back is just boycott them,
boycott CNNâ€™s advertisers or ask them to boycott with you and
ask them not to buy Airtime from CNN.
Write Letters, send email, or call them.
Spread the word out talk to your friends and family.
Letâ€™s drive this racist establishment â€śCaucasian News Network (CNN).â€ť Out of Business.
I am sure there will be many true and honest American business man who will be happy to buy their assets from the public auction!
They do not represent true America. They are sending out a mixed message around the world about America. They are just hurting America. They are destroying America.
We must stop them now before it gets too late to Stop!