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"Former Bush Official Calls for Independent 9/11 Investigation"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 11:08 am PT...
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said on 9/11/2005 @ 11:38 am PT...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 1:31 pm PT...
The British treated the Aug 7 bombing as a crime scene. Bushco treated the 911 as an attack. They did not focus on gathering evidence. Why?
Why was all of the steel immediately shipped overseas?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 2:05 pm PT...
To #3 ColleenMilitaryMom:
You asked, "Why was the WTC steel immediately shipped overseas?". The answer to this is that the steel was VERY incriminating evidence and the federal government wanted to get it as far away as possible as quickly as possible so nobody could have the time to analyze the evidence, do tests on it with the process known as "twinning" and basically, if you look at the pieces of steel and you know what to look for you can quickly tell at a glance if it was "natural" or a controlled demolition by looking at the ends of each piece of steel debris. If it broke or "melted" in a more "natural" manner the ends would be more twisted, mangled, misshapen, but if they were cut with cutting charges then the ends would be more "neat" looking like they were "cut" because they were, just with cutting charges. Also the largest pieces were in twenty-foot sections, easier for removal. In short, they wanted to get rid of that damning steel evidence and get it somewhere else quickly, and it got sold and shipped out to China and India to be melted down. We will see it again alright; but only in the form of nails, bolts, bicycles etc. sold back to us from being made in China and India.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 2:14 pm PT...
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said on 9/11/2005 @ 2:15 pm PT...
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said on 9/11/2005 @ 2:27 pm PT...
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 3:34 pm PT...
Nobody here has any skepticism over how the plane occupants disappeared? Were they murdered and the planes destroyed elsewhere? I'm not convinced by just reading the stuff about plane size, etc. There are definately questions, but engineers, not economists need to be verifying the assertions made in this article. Just looking at evidence that supports your theory and not evidence that does not - such as the disappearance of the plane passengers, etc. is not enough.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 4:46 pm PT...
Speaking from the perspective of someone who knows about metals - I handle them every day and have done for 45 plus years, so there is nothing anybody can tell me about them - but when I look at what happened at the towers and I see a heap of rubble with no horizontal girder section longer than a few feet and most of the vertical sections not that much longer then I ask how could that happen... the towers had special steel and demanded far more heat than the normal Bessemer process during manufacture, but according to the new physics after the 911 report steel dissolves like candy... funnily enough steel still demands massive amounts of heat energy to get it to a molten state and hold it in that state, so in that regard the 911 report is rubbish because it implys that steel can melted by nothing more than kerosine in open atmosphere... anybody care to come stand in front of a pool of kerosine burning... its survivable in jeans and Nikes... and anybody care to come stand in front of a Bessemer furnace full of molten steel whilst wearing a flame retardent suit and facesheild and yet you still feel like your being fried alive despite all that special clothing.
Very few photos show the ends of steel sections, but those that do seem and appear to show that the sections were cut through like a hot knife through butter.
I am even more shocked with the breaking of all the laws of physics that the 911 report claims for whatever hit the Pentagon. According to the report the whole aircraft fuselage evaporated more or less instantly, but commercial aircraft are mainly manufactured from duralumin. Ask anybody who works with duralumin how difficult it is to not just get it warm but keep it warm... duralumin is and was the very first heat treatable aluminium alloy... it dissipates heat so quickly, like all the aluminium alloys do, that there is just no way kerosine could turn it into... well nothing... according to the 911 report more or less the whole aircraft disappeared instantly like the Enterprise blasted it with phasers and it went through a complete atomic disruption and ceased to exist in this dimension.
You know if was Data or Spock telling Kirk or Picard that logicaly speaking it was obvious that the vehicle had been hit by some fast reactant nutriono burst then it would maybe pass on the small screen because its science fiction and in SF the laws of physics can be broken. In the real world, according to the 911 report, two materials which I work with every day do things which demand massive amounts of heat energy over amounts of time that stetch into minutes and hours and not split seconds. The only way you can create that much heat in such a short space of time is to do what you want to do when you want to weld two seperate metal objects together but cannot use any of the normal welding methods... we call it explosion welding and yes you do use explosives to blast the two objects together and in the moment they strike each other they melt and become one. The very opposite principles are put into effect during demolition and it only requires tiny amounts of shaped charges to cut through metals.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 4:47 pm PT...
To #8 Paula Bushkoff:
Go check out the thread called "9/11 Physical Evidence Contradicts the Official Story", just added today as a matter of fact. In it I mention what most likely happened to the passengers of the four real airliners. I look at every piece of evidence I can find; it is the "official" 9/11 fairy tale however that conveniently ignores contradictory evidence.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 5:32 pm PT...
Does anyone else question if the "hijackers" knew they were going to die, why wear bandanas, what did it matter if dead people saw their faces, I am speaking of Flight 93.
To Colleen, my question too, why the hurry to ship out the steel and fire (which they did) any drivers that stopped along the route.
Such secrecy is not needed unless lies were involved. This theme of "protecting" the victims privacy is BS. The pain of losing a loved one is constant pictures or not.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 5:49 pm PT...
I checked it out. Where is the explanation for the cell phone calls to relatives from the plane that crashed in Pennsyvania? Why didn't that plane divert to the Atlantic? The details of a possible way it could have happened are there but the real details that did happen are missing.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 5:50 pm PT...
WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE??
Did the hijackers even REALLY die?
Did anyone see their bodies and the autopsies?
Did the Pentagon confiscate all the debris for "coincidental" purposes?
Kraig: I know the american CIA had a hand in it just like Whitewater, Northwoods etc.
But what I can't get past is the Mossad....Do you think the CIA has really been working with the MOSSAD the whole time!????
I can't believe the RIDICULOUS silence.....even long after this cabal is gone and done away with, there is the prospect of the american empire never ending if this cancer is not rooted out.....
I feel like we'll have to replace everyone, all dems repubs all parties.....and put REAL WORKING PEOPLE into every office, someday just to get an internal investigation into what really went on with israel....
I mean damn it, the TRUTH has to get out.....before these bastards are dead so that the prison can take them in just like Abramoff..
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 5:52 pm PT...
While you're at it, check out the outstanding "Coincidence Theorist's Guide to 9/11" by Jeff Wells; it explains in a concise way the multitude of things occurring on 9/11 that a believer in the "official" story would have to believe are just coincidences in order to believe the "official" 9/11 myth. And it is a staggering list that doesn't just strain the credulity of the "official" crapaganda line, it shatters it. A crackling good read. The link is on the main page courtesy of Winter Patriot and also here for quick reference:
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 6:11 pm PT...
Kraig, I keep hitting refresh and that page never loads.
Do you know anything I'm talking about in regards to Mossad or the hiding of bodies? Why don't we see the bodies, and why are Mossad agents the day after let out of the USA on passport visas?
Official state department note: They were tourists.
I haven't believed these people since 1995...
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 6:35 pm PT...
To #12 Paula Bushkoff and #11 Texaslady:
1.The phone calls were fake; ever wonder why the actual RELATIVES that they were supposedly trying to phone weren't the ones who spoke to "Todd Beamer et al" on the [fake] "phone calls" that didn't actually take place? They supposedly spoke to the operator, who later told the family of the "conversation". They could not have made the phone call from that altitude anyway; taking off or landing, yes, but not 5 or 10 thousand feet in the air. I understand nowadays (in 2005) they are trying to perfect such a thing as to be able to cell phone someone from several thousand feet up, but they certainly did not have this in 2001. The little phones for when you are taking off or landing in 1st class seating, yes, but not some imaginary phone call supposedly placed from an airliner in 2001 as it's "hijacked" several thousand feet in the air. This is explained in even more detail as it pertains to the fake "Barbara Olson call from Flight 77" at this link:
...and no, I'm not sure where Barbara Olson is today or if she is dead or alive, but either way the phone calls regarding her as well as the Flight 77 fantasy were fake.
2.Please look at the mountain of evidence that proves that the "official" 9/11 story is impossible. First watch the video footage of the "collapses" of the Twin Towers and WTC # 7 and it is readily apparant they were controlled demolitions. See the thread titled "9/11 Physical Evidence Contradicts the Official Story". I can tell you with absolute certainty that the passengers of the four real airliners in question really did pass away on 9/11, and with about equal certainty I can tell you that they didn't pass away in the way the "official" 9/11 myth has it. And also bear in mind that when someone proves that an "official" story about some event is impossible, they don't NEED to have an explanation for how every last detail of the actual event really took place to disprove the "official" claptrap, it is disproven by having been proved impossible and no doubt whatsoever can be then be cast on this by not being able to explain every way each part of an event was carried out by the guilty parties, proven false is proven false; frankly all someone has to do to see that you have been thoroughly lied to by the government is to watch the video footage of the "collapses" of the Twin Towers and WTC # 7 which occur in such a manner that is 100% IMPOSSIBLE without explosives. Since the laws of physics are suspended for no-one, these can only be controlled demolitions. This, as well as links to video of firemen talking about hearing, feeling, seeing explosions just before the WTC "collapses", as well as the story of a janitor in the WTC named Rodriguez who was almost killed by the blasts, then ignored by the phony 9/11 whitewash commission, now in possibly mortal danger, plus links to other eyewitnesses talking about the explosions, all of that's in point #1. of the thread "9/11 Physical Evidence Contradicts the Official Story". Definately worth checking out.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 6:56 pm PT...
To #15 Doug Eldritch:
I just tried that address now and you're right it isn't connecting anymore, mine says 404 error or some such; regardless, Winter Patriot's link to it is most likely working; it's on the main page in one of the three 9/11 threads.
In regards to your question about Mossad and hiding bodies I think you asked, did you mean in relation to 9/11? I'm not sure about the extent of Mossad's role in it, but certainly intelligence agencies of countries and governments friendly toward one another often cooperate on some matters, and like I said, I think Mossad likely helped out on 9/11 especially on the identity theft end of it, but I highly doubt it was for example a Mossad plan and the C.I.A. just helped them out; if it took place in Israel then definately yes, but taking place here and being of such magnitude it was certainly the C.I.A. who was at the helm of this operation (like a modern-day Operation: Northwoods that was actually carried out!) with some assistance from Mossad and from of course other U.S. government organs like F.E.M.A., N.R.O., N.S.A., etc. Bear in mind that the U.S. alone has fifteen (known) clandestine/espionage type organizations. Why does America need so many spies operating on its own territory?
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 7:00 pm PT...
Kraig: The hiding of bodies after 9/11......for hijackers, terrorists, angry mobs....
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 8:10 pm PT...
A quick web search does not show univeral agreement that in 2001 cell phone calls could not have been made from aircraft. I also do not see that they all talked to operators, in fact only one did, that I found. I really don't see how this was faked as so many of the people they called are around to witness to it, it seems.
I find it much more compelling to believe that the "powers that be" allowed what appears to have happened to happen, rather than that a giant conspiracy that would take a large number of accomplices to achieve, would go on this long without someone getting a conscience and talking, even as a deathbed confession.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 9/11/2005 @ 10:31 pm PT...
Regarding building #7 WTC--from the footage I have seen there were fires in several locations but did not appear severe enough to explain the "collapse". The explaination of the smooth, even, and rapid fall of #7 looks enough like a "controlled" demotion to put that at the top of the 'rule outs'. Add to that, the rapid removal of #7's steel indicates 'they' wanted forensic evidence sent away asap.
Why? Because the two Towers dropped in the same manner. If #7 was rigged then so were the Towers.
The Freefall, as described by Kraig , of all three buildings can be explained by "controlled"demolition
What hit the Pentagon? It is vey unlikely that a 757 did. The hole in the Pentagon is too precise a hit and too small and a half assed amature nonpilot could not accomplish that, not on his own. And not a blade of grass in front of the hit site was disturbed? How odd?
I have a different question about the cell phone calls. When I talk to someone traveling in a car their phone sputters and fails as they pass through a cell to another. Certainly a call from a fast flying jet would ram through cells rapidly. But I have not heard that described. An interesting, tho 'far out' thought---what if Olsen wanted to be rid of his wife, and knew of the 911 plans? He puts her on one of the planes, claims he talked to her during the event, she goes missing. The perfect crime. The perfect crime within what looks like the perfect crime.
As far as comments by DougE, some of which are close to incoherent---he is on a mission of trying to find a Jew or Jewish organization somewhere to blame---just another TROLL . From the right or the left a TROLL is a TROLL.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 9/12/2005 @ 4:00 am PT...
I don't care what party is in office, investigations should be independent. It's called conflict of interest. That is one of things wrong with this current adm - you just don't feel truth. As we all know, when someone is caught in a lie, nothing they spout from then on is believable!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 9/12/2005 @ 11:27 am PT...
What about all the bodies that were hidden and the cell phones that got cut off?
What about all the other unexplained events, which show a conspiracy?
What about Cheney doing NORAD drills on 9/11 day??
Remember when we talked about Mossad, well Tony Blair has come out with his advisor and made a statement about who influenced war with Iraq, Iran.
"Tony Blair decided to wage war on Iraq after coming under the influence of a "sinister" group of Jews and Freemasons, a Muslim barrister who advises the Prime Minister has claimed.
Ahmad Thomson, from the Association of Muslim Lawyers, said Mr Blair was the latest in a long line of politicians to have been influenced by the group which saw the attack on Saddam Hussein as a way to control the Middle East.
A Government spokesman confirmed last night that ministers and officials consulted Mr Thomson on issues concerning Muslims but refused to be drawn on his views. "We talk to a lot of people, including many whose views we do not necessarily agree with," she said.
Mr Thomson said: "Pressure was put on Tony Blair before the invasion. The way it works is that pressure is put on people to arrive at certain decisions. It is part of the Zionist plan and it is shaping events."
"When the people in a predominantly Jewish society cease to worship God, the result is either communism or capitalism. A predominantly Christian society is concerned primarily with establishing a political ideology, whilst a predominantly Jewish society is concerned primarily with establishing an economic system."
This, he suggested, led to the rise of Adolf Hitler. Mr Thomson, who was called to the bar in 1979, wrote: "The fascism of Hitler was the Christian element in the increasingly "Jewish" environment in which he and his followers found themselves."
He also wrote that the Jews have no right to live in "the Holy Land" because they are not a pure race and therefore not the true biblical Israelites and that Saddam was used as an excuse for US troops - "including thousands of Jews" - to occupy Saudi Arabia.
A Government source said: "It is by talking to people with varying views that we find out what the range of opinions is. It doesn't mean we agree with what they are saying."
Tony Blair discusses group that pushed him into the war
I'm afraid I agree with Tony Blair completely. The problem we americans face, and indeed the world is for over 20 years we have been far too trusting of other countries, especially Israel.
Granted I do not think it was true Jews who were behind this. In fact, this seems to be an elite group of Zionist israelites who deny everything good the jewish stand for. I've read about them....I have read alot about their past, and this isn't a simple issue this is a very dangerous game....
PNAC and the AEI are made up of freemason zionists, and they are totally obedient to a twisted form of orthodox capitalism....the opposite of judaism.
In fact I really wish people would see the writing on the wall.....we have a serious flaw in our society.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 9/14/2005 @ 6:27 pm PT...
Some random thoughts:
These human cheater strategists, genetic psychopaths (such as Rumsferatu), will stop at nothing.
WTC7 fell without a plane cover because Mineta ordered the grounding of all flights. He should tell all to keep himself and family members alive. (Did they kill Ernst Hollings' daughter to control Hollings?)
What about the Deutschebank building? Was it supposed to fall? It's still empty.
Last I checked, Jeff Wells, of rigourousintuition labeled the Pentagon doubters as harming the reputation of honest and good 911 researchers. You just never know who's a CIA Fake.
They sold completely ridiculous cases against Oswald, Ray & Sirhan. Why shouldn't they think they can sell a physically impossible 911 to the world?
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 9/14/2005 @ 6:31 pm PT...
One more thing, psychopaths don't understand scientific cause and effect, anyway. It's beyond their cognitive abilities. They are stuck at the magical stage of development.
(On a side note: of course they don't think of global warming as science. Science doesn't exist for them. All they see is the money Kyoto would stop them from making.)