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READER COMMENTS ON
"Is Cheney Now A Target of the Leakgate Investigation?"
(48 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
... colleenmilitarymom said on 10/11/2005 @ 8:45 pm PT...
Fanfuckingtastic. My kid goes to Irag in 6 months. The sooner these lying SOB's are outed, the sooner we can get some competant military people in chargge.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
... jIM cIRILE said on 10/11/2005 @ 9:19 pm PT...
I fear for Fitzgerald's life. I truly do. He may be Wellstoned before long. Any administration that has no compunctions about murdering 3,000 New Yorkers so they can invade the Middle East and steal billions would have no problem ordering silence on a Fitzgerald "freak mishap." Would anyone dare step out of lockstep to even hint it could be foul play? Hopefully Fitzgerald is high-enounh profile to protect him. But look what happened to Raymond Lemme, not to mention the break-ins at Wayne Madsen's home and the WTC whistleblower janitor who saw the explosions go off in the basement.
All of them are in this. The PNAC founder is certainly in on this. The question is how to take them down since everyone is bought and paid for.
I just hope the dam breaks loose in a big way.
All of them are criminals. I am so mad about it all.
Colleen I am doing all I can to undumb the dumb people (aka sheep) over at my site.
Also voting in the mid terms to ensure Sarbanes gets a good Independent replacement. The democrat running to take his place is an idiot. I don't know how people vote for these people.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
... bluebear2 said on 10/11/2005 @ 9:56 pm PT...
Ooooooo goody goody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
... Valley Girl said on 10/11/2005 @ 10:17 pm PT...
One point of hope here is that Fitzgerald has a grand jury as witness, who have been hearing all of the testimony. If I understand correctly the gj, and not Fitz, are empowered to indict. FWIW!
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
... Doug Eldritch said on 10/11/2005 @ 10:21 pm PT...
Jim: I don't fear for Fitzgerald at all.......He has all of us behind him, who are onto "Cheney and his Zionist" scheme.....
Plus he has higher protection and hundreds of agents (and I'm positive military as well) and he is a bulldog prosecutor who has ripped apart worldwide Terrorist cells with RICO charges.
He ain't going nowhere......We're going to have an interesting time ahead of us.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
... Nittany Lion said on 10/11/2005 @ 10:30 pm PT...
Do most of the people who post here just have a goal of developing as many crack-pot conspiracy theories as possible? As soon as a couple of far left websites such as the Huffington Post release stories about Fitzgerald looking into to Cheney, you all jump on it. I'm surprised at the number of people who actually believe all of these theories. Is your hate this blind?
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
... jIM cIRILE said on 10/11/2005 @ 10:45 pm PT...
Nittany, can you explain to me how WTC Building #7, a 43-story building 2 blocks from the towers, spontaneously fell down at 5PM on 9/11, when it was not hit by any plane and suffered no major fires or structural impacts? Any engineer will tell you this is impossible. What was "lead hijacker" Mohammad Atta doing on indicted Republican uber-lobbyist Jack Abramoff's gambling boat on 9-6-2001? Why was all the wreckage from 9-11 shipped off to be destroyed immediately with no forensic investigation allowed? Why was there no plane wreckage at the Pentagon. And on and on and on...
Watch the videos. See for yourself. It doesn't add up.
Look, I believed the official story of 9-11 for a long time... until I started to research. The video is all out there on the web if you choose to see it. Or you can simply choose to remain blissfully ignorant. Do I want to believe that the NeoCons murdered thousands of Americans? Of course not.
I challenge you to spend 15 minutes at www.911truth.org. Watch some of the videos. Look at the timelines. Read the structural analyses. Then pay close attention to the behavior of Bushco before and after 9-11. As with any criminal investigation, you have to follow the money. Who gains?
Absolutely Jim. Ditto on your exact post. I too believed the official story till I had to do some investigating for my news site.
Really News 9/11 Links I included links to ReOpen911.org. I downloaded the movies, compiled them on DVD's viewable on TV DvD players and distributed.
For Colleen, me in DC (taken by E. Blumrich of Bushflash who stayed with me along with Kira of bradblog.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
... Doug Eldritch said on 10/11/2005 @ 11:49 pm PT...
Hey moron, Cheney is the ultimate con-artist. He worked with the Israelis to set up the downing street memos, he was the american who brain-child'ed the whole scheme.
Cheney & Bush have turned against eachother big time, White House civil war beyond compare...
Bushie finally figured out old "Uncle Dick" had completely conned him into Iraq & everything else, and his masters...his terrorist masters no doubt told Cheney that Bush was bad luck.
I've heard stories about Cheney trying to kill Bush, it's like a feud between dumb and dumber. And anyhow, it seems the whole thing's about to explode as Cheney is fingered in the downing street memos!!!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
... Bejammin075 said on 10/12/2005 @ 1:07 am PT...
If the conspiracies are true, then what's wrong with being a "conspiracy theorist"?
When the indictments come down on BushCo for lying us into a war, that pretty much confirms our point of view. Based on those things called "facts" that were assembled by the prosecutor.
I don't care about the label "conspiracy theorist" any more. The bottom line is, the conspiracy theorists are correct. These fucktards in charge are conspirators, criminals, and traitors.
So you "coincidence theorists" out there, listen up. You're not paying attention. We are. So why don't you just sit back and relax, and We the Informed People will take our country back. That's what we're in the process of doing, and there's nothing you can do about it. So just keep eating Cheetos and doing nothing. We'll do all the heavy lifting.
The Revolution will not be televised.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
... bvac said on 10/12/2005 @ 1:47 am PT...
Nittany Lion #7,
I read your rebuttal from a previous thread and quite frankly it's kind of weak. To the best of my recollection, none of the cable news outlets took his quote out of context. They noted it was said during a discussion about a book (Freakanomics) that dealt with a similar topic. Some emphasized that Bennett was not advocating what he posited, thus immediately shifting the controversy from abortion to racism. Most newspapers gave a similar account. So clearly you are wrong when you state that the media wanted to villianize Bennett by making it seem like he supported aborting black babies. The alleged "changing of gears" also never occurred. Rep. Conyers, one of the first to take action, noted the racist implications in his letter to the Salem radio network. Media Matters, that kooky far-left website you just love to hate, simply reproduces the conversation with the controversial bits in bold, offering little commentary or subjective remarks. What tickles me most about you dead-enders is that you act as if having your spokespersons words simply reprinted on a website constitutes left-wing bias.
Does anyone else find it ironic that we're called conspiracy theorists when top administration officials are about to be indicted on conspiracy charges?
I should state that as far as the Plame investigation goes, I'm not terribly excited. Everything about this case was kept tight for a year and half, and then suddenly bits and pieces are being leaked every week from anonymous sources. It could be huge, or not. When the indictments are handed down I'll celebrate, but until then I feel like I'm being led around in circles. That being said, I'm surprised you are so out of touch with reality that you regard a two year long investigation as mere conspiracy theory. Does your devotion to the far right make you that blind?
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
... Lea said on 10/12/2005 @ 3:12 am PT...
More links to Fitzgerald and the Grand Jury and how it will work with the Federal Marshalls being sent in. I had read that Bush travels with 100 special military guards and does not trust the Secret Service, I am sure Cheney is also protected by Blackwater or other mercenaries even in his bunkers.
I read that the Federal Marshalls told the Watergate Grand Juries that they could not protect them if they went after Nixon - presumably because Nixon would have let us know much earlier about Bush, Sr. and his minions and their plans to destroy America.
Things are so bad now that I hope Fitz, the Grand Juries and the Federals Marshalls are willing to do battle to save the world. I don't think even with a deal cheney or bush will give up power.
See the many articles on the bird flu, the deliberate use of this as a bioweapon and bush's MSM comments that he is fighting for the power to declare martial law, as he has apparently done in NOLA to hide the true body count. Martial law means all laws are suspended and dictator bush and the ones controlling him would set the laws and Fitz's Grand Jury indictments would not be in force. I hope Fitz moves soon.
I think hitler took over by declaring martial law "temporarily" which never ended until hitler took his own life in the bunker or whatever really happened to him. If prescott bush got Mengeles to South America who knows?
I think going after Cheney first is smart and many brave people are removing the supports to the Bush Family Evil Empire, BFEE, may God bless and protect those who are fighting against this PNAC/Bilderberg/Illuminati bush family evil.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
... czaragorn said on 10/12/2005 @ 10:27 am PT...
Hi Lea! I just Googled "indicting sitting president" and briefly perused the links. Apparently, had Clinton been indicted for letting his little head think for him for a brief spell or five he would have had to challenge the constitutionality of indicting a sitting president, so it sounds like this entire issue is far from clear. I seriously doubt the grand jurors were told they'd be beyond protection if they proceeded. I think it's more likely that they really didn't need to take that step anyway, as getting rid of the bum was all the country really needed, so we didn't really need to see him in the pokey. However, the possibility of a constitutional challenge makes me look even more askance at Miers, of Boozy and Harriet fame, and the possible motives behind her nomination...
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
... KestrelBrighteyes said on 10/12/2005 @ 10:33 am PT...
"They understood that you didn't have to attack the fortress anymore. You could just surround it, make faces at the people inside and let them have nervous breakdowns and destroy themselves." --- Norman Mailer
I still wonder if it's bad karma for me to be enjoying this so much.
Let's don't forget to send thank you's, once it's all said and done, to Fitzgerald for having the kahunas to stand up to this bunch.
And KEEP MAKING FACES!!
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
... czaragorn said on 10/12/2005 @ 11:52 am PT...
KBE - I believe reveling in the misfortune of others is called schadenfreude, or something like that, and it's generally frowned upon, but in certain cases like the pleasure a Red Sox fan takes in seeing the Yanks going off for some early autumn golf, regardless of the misery the fan fet at their team's even earlier demise, or the glee of democracy loving Americans as they watch the oppressive dictatorship crumble, well, it is amply justified and it can be forgiven, I'm sure. Indeed, KEEP ON MAKING FACES!!!
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
... hpcharlie said on 10/12/2005 @ 12:06 pm PT...
10/11/2005 @ 11:55pm PT...
IS CNN "BLOCKING FEEDBACK" FROM ANYONE WHO HAS A "NEGATIVE COMMENT" OR IS CONSIDERED TO BE A LIBERAL?
This is the response I received 3 times after atttempting to give my feedback on the "general comment" feedback or sharing "news ideas!"
By the way, I am encouraged that Patrick Fitzgerald has now only hit the "tip of the iceberg" of the corruption of this administration!
"You are not authorized to view this page
You might not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials you supplied.
If you believe you should be able to view this directory or page, please try to contact the Web site by using any e-mail address or phone number that may be listed on the cgi.turner.com home page.
You can click Search to look for information on the Internet.
HTTP Error 403 - Forbidden
Internet Explorer "
This was what I attempted to give CNN for feedback! Anyone else had similar situation with CNN??
IF YOU HAD ANY CREDIBILITY WITH EXCEPTION OF LOUD DOBBS AND ANDERSON COOPER AND WERE "FAIR AND BALANCED" I WOULD POSSIBLY STILL WATCH YOU ON TV ON A REGULAR BASIS. HOWEVER, AS LONG AS YOU "SUPPORT THE CORRUPT, CRISTOCRATIC GOP AGENDA AND FAIL TO REPORT "REAL NEWS" LIKE THE HUFFINGTON REPORT, Bradblog, AND RAW STORY...CNN IS A WASTE OF MY TIME!"
Get with it....or you'll completely lose out to the Blogs! YOU CANT' HIDE THE TRUTH FROM ALL!
October 12, 2005
Eat The Press
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COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
... czaragorn said on 10/12/2005 @ 12:24 pm PT...
Hey Nittany! You must be one of those crack-pot "coincidence theorists." Or are you just a frightened shill? In either case, please send me a postcard. I need a stamp and postmark from Bizarro World for my collection
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
... Doug Eldritch said on 10/12/2005 @ 12:36 pm PT...
Everyone should order CNN to cover these stories.....enough pressure would make them cave, remember how they wouldn't cover Iraq until thousands of letters came?
By the way......the election was stolen. CNN knows it..
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
... G said on 10/12/2005 @ 1:46 pm PT...
I quote "George Carlin"----
I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fire, what do freedom fighters fight? They never mention that part to us, do they?
You have to be realistic about terrorism. Certain groups of people, certain groups, Muslim fundamentalists, Christian fundamentalists, Jewish fundamentalists, and just plain guys from Montana, are going to continue to make life in this country very interesting for a long, long time.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
... A Concerned Citizen said on 10/12/2005 @ 3:30 pm PT...
Colleen - I'm right there with you, as my son leaves for his second full year in about 6 weeks, or less. That's what I'm hoping too. I'm hoping he doesn't have to spend the whole damn year there, that this nonsense will end before long.....we'll keep hoping!
Bluebear2 - I'm laughing my ass off. That was funny and I felt it too.
Nittany - Jim summed it up. Cept, you HAVE the internet, you have no excuse to be so out of touch. Try using Google. Google on all the topics we discuss here. There are MANY sources for things we talk about. Do some reading. Here's a few others:
Charlie - try sending them a "good" email, as in how wonderful it is to view them at night with your family, or some shit. See if it gets through, just a thought.
I'm making faces and I'm suddenly finding myself actually smiling once in awhile....it's been a long time! No more room under that rug to sweep all this shit anymore!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
... Sue said on 10/12/2005 @ 3:56 pm PT...
GOD, I Pray Cheney & Bush and rest of S.O. B's are the targets! PLEASE, FITZGERALD AND GRAND JURY, DO YOUR NATION AND WORLD A FAVOR AND INDICT THE WHOLE DAMN EVIL, PNAC GROUP AND IMPRISON THEM AND NOW! BEFORE THEY MURDER MORE AT HOME OR ABROAD! I pray there is FINALLY JUSTICE IN AMERICA AND WORLD! TRUE JUSTICE WOULD BE THEY ALL GET FROG MARCHED OUT AND TRIED FOR TREASON AND INVOLVEMENT IN 9-11 AND LYING OVER WARS, AND HANGED FOR TREASON BUT ONLY AFTER THEY PAY BACK OUR U.S. TREASURY FROM THEIR ILL GOTTEN GAINS THROUGH HALLIBURTON,ETC. ! THEN SEND THEM TO GITMO FOR AWHILE, THEN AFTER THAT SEND THEM TO GULF, IN WATER UP TO EVIL NECK'S,WITH NO FOOD OR WATER AND NO HELP, THEN AFTER THAT HANG THEIR EVIL, BLACKHEARTED ASSES! GET THE WHOLE GODDAMN EVIL PNAC GROUP, SO THEY NEVER SURFACE AGAIN! NOW THEY WANT TO INVADE EUROPE TOO! COME ON AMERICA, DEMAND JUSTICE AND NOW! IMPEACH NOW AND INDICT THEM AND IMPRISON THEM ALL, OR MY FAVORITE, HANG THEM FOR TREASON,WAR CRIMINALS, AND WAR PROFITEERING,TOO!
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
... Sue said on 10/12/2005 @ 4:07 pm PT...
George Stenopolis ALREADY said Bush was involved according to HIS SOURCE! So Fitzgerald HAD BETTER INDICT BUSH TOO AND CHENEY ALSO! GET THE WHOLE, CORRUPT, MURDERING LOT OF THEM! AND YES, I HOPE FITZGERALD DOESN'T GET MURDERED LIKE THEY DID WELLSTONE BUT HE CAN ASK FOR PROTECTION! I WORRY HE IS AN R, AND MIGHT WHITEWASH THIS BUSHIT! OR LET OFF BUSH AND CHENEY AND REST! HE HAD BETTER NOT AND PUT AMERICA BEFORE PARTY, LIKE REST OF R'S AND D'S ALIKE NEED TO DO, AND STOP SIDING WITH THESE EVIL, MURDERING S.O.B'S WHO ARE BANKRUPTING AMERICA, ALONG WITH TOO MANY GUTLESS D'S WHO KEEP VOTING FOR MORE $$ FOR ILLEGAL, IMMORAL WARS! ALL need to be run out of office on rail and that is too good for them! WHEN IN HELL ARE POLITICIAN'S GOING TO FACE WORSE PUNISHMENT THEN JUST BEING VOTED OUT OF OFFICE? WHEN? THEY CAN LIE, CHEAT, STEAL AND TOTALLY WRECK OUR NATION, LIKE THEY ARE NOW AND NO, NO GODDAMN PUNISHMENT FOR LITERALLY DESTROYING AMERICA! WHY IN HELL NOT? PUT THEM IN PRISON, ALOT OF THEM! INCLUDING SOME D'S TOO! IF BUSH AND CHENEY AND RUMMIE AND OTHERS WILL MURDER 3000 OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE ON 9-11, THEY WON'T HESTIATE TO MURDER FITZGERALD! BUT HE CAN ASK FOR PROTECTION! THAT IS NO REASON FOR HIM TO LET THEM OFF THE HOOK! NONE! WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS ARMED TROOPS QUIETLY GO TO W.H. AND FROG MARCH THEM OUT IN CUFFS, TRUE JUSTICE! AND FINGERPRINTED AND WHOLE DAMN 9 YARDS! THEY SHOULD BE NO BETTER THEN ANY REST OF US THAT COMMIT A CRIME! PROVE THERE IS NOT TWO SETS OF JUSTICE IN AMERICA! ONE FOR MIDDLE AND POOR CLASSES AND ONE FOR RICH AND POWERFUL! FROG MARCH THEIR ASSES, ALL OF THEM! AND NOW! IMPEACH, INDICT AND IMPRISON! AND IF FITZGERALD DOESN'T HAND DOWN INDICTMENTS FOR BUSH AND CHENEY AND REST OF MURDERING, WAR CRIMINALS, SHAME ON HIM! THEN HE IS NOT A GOOD AMERICAN! ALONG WITH ROVE, WHO HAS SAID HE OUTED PLAME, JUST NOT BY NAME, WHICH IS SAME THING! IF ALL OF THOSE ARE NOT INDICTED, FITZGERALD IS DOING A COVER-UP!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
... bluebear2 said on 10/12/2005 @ 4:27 pm PT...
Your "virtual vocal chords" must realy be sore now! LOL
From what I've seen regarding Fitz is that he is a man of very high integrity. With all the time he has spent on this and from all of the stuff that's been coming out - at least in regards to purgery - I expect him to produce.
It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for him to go to this much trouble if he is trying to cover it up. That process wouldn't take much work - just interview a few people to make it look legit and then declare nothing wrong.
Instead it appears that he is expanding on the initial complaint.
Keep your fingers crossed.
THE ANTICIPATION IS KILLING ME!
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
... colleenmilitarymom said on 10/12/2005 @ 4:36 pm PT...
Hey jpentz, Thanks for the pic. I'd like to see a pic of Kira, too.
This a delicious time to be Dem or a non-Bushco American.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
... Sue said on 10/12/2005 @ 4:39 pm PT...
bluebear2 and others, I JUST WANT JUSTICE IN AMERICA FOR A CHANGE, IS THAT SOOO MUCH TO ASK FOR? I think NOT! I pray everyday Fitzgerald INDICTS THEM ALL! ALL OF THEM, Condi, Rummie, Libby, Rove, Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, and ALL the other NAZI PNAC MURDERING, CORRUPT, FASCISTS, WHO ARE LITERALLY DESTROYING AMERICA AND WORLD! But some GUTLESS D's who side with them over more $$ for illegal, immoral wars are guilty TOO, just not as badly! IS IT SOO WRONG TO WANT SOME DAMN JUSTICE IN AMERICA FOR A CHANCE? OR WORLD? I was sorry to see PM in Germany quit too! Now neo-con replaced him! That sucks too! These PNAC Neo-cons MUST BE stopped and NOW! Now they want to go to Europe and destroy them too! Wake Up World! These are murdering S.O.B's who will destroy any country and murder their own to get what they want! Their SICK agenda! And WE MUST STOP BUSH FROM GETTING THE AUTHORITY TO CALL OUT GUARD ON OWN PEOPLE! THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS! TO BE A DICTATOR! AND SHAME ON US IF WE LET HIM HAVE THAT AUTHORITY! 1. He said he wanted authority to call out Guard in cases of natural disasters 2. He wanted authority to call out Guard in case of bird flu! SEE A PATTERN HERE, DUH!? HE IS BOUND AND DETERMINED TO BE IN CONTROL OF GUARD! TO CALL THEM OUT TO MURDER OUR OWN CITIZENS! WAKE THE HELL UP AMERICA AND WORLD! WE HAVE A 2ND HITLER ON OUR HANDS! DO YOUR JOB FITZGERALD AND INDICT BUSH, AND CHENEY AND REST FOR TREASON OVER INVOLVEMENT IN 9-11, (GET A FREE DVD @ www.REOPEN911.ORG AND READ!) LYING TO TAKE US TO WARS, WAR CRIMES, WAR PROFITEERING AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, OUTING A CIA AGENT FOR REVENGE! LIKE GEORGE STENELOPIS SAID, HIS SOURCE SAID BUSH AND CHENEY WERE INVOLVED! FITZGERALD HAD BETTER NOT LET EITHER OF THEM OFF! IF HE DOESN'T INDICT BUSH AND CHENEY TOO, IT IS COVER-UP BY HIM,PERIOD! A PLAIN AND SIMPLE COVER-UP, IF BUSH AND CHENEY ARE NOT INDICTED TOO, ALONG WITH OTHERS! AND AMERICA SHOULD RIOT IN STREETS OVER IT AND OTHER STUFF! INCLUDING KATRINA PURPOSEDLY FAILURE TO MURDER OUR OWN CITIZENS TO PROMOTE THEIR SICK,EVIL AGENDA, AS THEY DID MURDER THEM FOLKS, TO FURTHER THEIR SICK,EVIL AGENDA!
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
... colleenmilitarymom said on 10/12/2005 @ 4:39 pm PT...
Fitz may be the best thing since sliced bread!
And he's cute.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
... bluebear2 said on 10/12/2005 @ 4:47 pm PT...
I'm with you 100%!
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 10/12/2005 @ 5:04 pm PT...
I'm sure Fitzgerald is safe, but only because of bradblog and other online sites that have raised awareness of Wellstone's "accidental death" and Lemme's "suicide."
At this point it would simply be too suspicious. Without the blogs, not so.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
... colleenmilitarymom said on 10/12/2005 @ 5:29 pm PT...
Good Luck to your son. This whole evil empire looks to be imploding.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
... merifour said on 10/12/2005 @ 6:45 pm PT...
I am reading 'Worse Than Watergate' that talks about Cheney's health problems. I made a comment in it, as I often do, that he is a 'dead man walking'. He can no longer have any surgery on his heart, (suppose he could get a new one, I don't know, check those prisoners for a match). This book was written in '04 but what is interesting to me is that Cheney is a very sick (physically, not just mentally). He suffered his first heart attack while in his thirties and two more in '84 and '88, after which he had quadruple-bypass surgery. Nov. 22, 2000 he had another heart attack. In March '01 back to the hospital. June of 01' he has a ICD (implanted cardioverter defibrillator) installed to regulate his heart rhythm. Studies by the New England Journal of Medicine cite that 'heart patients fitted with an (ICD) had a 1 in 9 chance of dying within two years compared with about a 1 in 100 chance for a healthy man Cheney's age."
Now, I will qualify that I don't know if all this is true. I have not read any other sources to verify what I have written. I do know that he recently went to the hospital again for something having to do with his knee? I beginning to believe he is about to kick the bucket and maybe that is why he is disappearing all the time. Or, have they really implanted him with a mechanical heart..he is a robot, he really is, omigod. M4 (proudly wearing her tin foil hat shaped like a pyramid)
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
... Sue said on 10/12/2005 @ 7:23 pm PT...
...colleenmilitarymom, Fitzgerald will ONLY be the BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD IF HE INDICTS BUSH,CHENEY, RUMMIE, CONDI, WOLFOWITZ, AND THE WHOLE GODDAMN INSANE MURDERING PNAC GROUP! ALONG WITH ROVE AND LIBBY TOO! ALL OF THEM NEED INDICTED AND IMPRISONED AND THAT IS TOO GOOD FOR THEM! THEY DESERVE AND NEED FAR WORSE! LIKE HANGING FOR TREASON AND MURDERING 3000 AMERICAN'S IN 9-11, AT LEAST CHENEY AND BUSH AND RUMMIE AND OTHERS IN OUR GOV'T! TOO MANY TO NAME HERE! IF HE DOES ALL THAT, HE WILL BE BETTER THEN SLICED BREAD! AND WE WILL PRAISE HIM FOREVER AND NO DAMN DEALS EITHER,NONE! IMPRISON AT VERY LEAST! I PREFER HANG THEM, MYSELF, AS THEY HAVE LITERALLY DESTROYED AMERICA ALONG WITH GUTLESS D'S WHO VOTE WITH THEM FOR MORE $$ ALL THE TIME! BUT BUSH,CHENEY AND RUMMIE AND OTHERS MURDERED OUR OWN PEOPLE IN 9-11, AND GULF AND NOW HITLER BUSH WANTS EVEN MORE POWER WITH MARTIAL LAW, PLEASE, PLEASE I AM BEGGING YOU PEOPLE TO CALL CONGRESS ASAP TOMORROW AND STOP HIM FROM GETTING POWER TO CALL OUT GUARD IN CASE OF BIRD FLU! I TOTALLY BELIEVE HE/THEY HAVE THE FLU VIRUS ALREADY, JUST WAITING TO GET APPROVAL TO CALL OUT GUARD AND WILL SPREAD IT ON PURPOSE TO GET RIGHT TO CALL OUT GUARD ON PROTESTERS! I BEG YOU TO STOP HIM/THEM AND NOW! PLEASE, PLEASE GET OTHERS TO CALL CONGRESS TOO, AT 1-202-224-3121. READ IT HERE: http://bellaciao.org/en/...cle.php3?id_article=8783 PLEASE, I BEG YOU TO CALL ASAP AND STOP HIM FROM BECOMING THE DICTATOR HE HAS SAID HE WANTS TO BECOME! HE NEEDS LESS POWER NOT MORE!
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
... Doug Eldritch said on 10/12/2005 @ 8:32 pm PT...
Stop any Zionist fascists and seperate the middle-eastern countries for good!!!!!!!!!
NO MORE TORTURE OR LIES, CHENEY MADE A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL AND IT TOOK A TOLL ON HIS HEART.....I bet "ariel sharon" never told him that the more he plays along the worse his heart gets and the worse the crimes will be..........
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
... texaslady said on 10/13/2005 @ 11:53 am PT...
Merifour - perhaps you are mistaken, for Cheney to get a new heart, you are presuming he has one in the first place.
We, in this house are cautiously thrilled, that this whole group is slowly crumbling. Crooks and liars and this kind usually turn on each other. However, they have been practicing longer than most of us have been alive so it will take alot to bring them down.
And to those who believe my party right or wrong, well, think about the people your party is responsible for killing. Then, wonder how strong are your political ties that condone the killing of innocent people.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
... merifour said on 10/13/2005 @ 2:09 pm PT...
#34 Texaslady, regarding Cheney's heart, first attack happened while in his 30's. Wonder what evil deed he was committing then. Will have to do some research.
I quote I heard yesterday, "For an eagle to soar it needs both a right wing and a left wing, with a heart in the middle". Methinks the eagle died. M4
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
... texaslady said on 10/13/2005 @ 2:19 pm PT...
I wish I could think of Cheney as an eagle but he had "other" priorities during Vietnam, got 5 deferments. Limbaugh had a cyst on his lower back. Bush was hiding under the bed until daddy said it was ok to come out.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
... merifour said on 10/13/2005 @ 2:44 pm PT...
Texaslady, I was thinking of the significance of the Eagle being our National Symbol. Thanks for the info on what Cheney was doing when he had a heart attack, Viet Nam, omigod, war is a form of genocide for the 'little people' and profits for the 'big people'. Was he a little person or a big person then. LOL. Regarding Rush, he too, claims he was sent by God, he used to anyway, I don't listen. (I think he and rove are clones). bush and his MIA action is despicable, as is Poppy and the whole clan. Thank God its their Karma, and Karma has a way of kicking one in the ass. M4
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
... texaslady said on 10/13/2005 @ 5:50 pm PT...
Boy Merifour I hope so ! And to hear some of the posters still defending this administration just amazes me. With all the crap that has come out and they just keep saying, "it isn't so, it isn't so.
You know if Kerry spent one day in Vietnam, that is still more than the cowardly Bush and his whole damn bunch. Not one of them every served. Yet they were thrilled to send our kids to die. So very easy to let someone else take the bullet.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
... Sue said on 10/13/2005 @ 6:12 pm PT...
Get a clue, Cheney can't have had any heart attacks as he DOESN'T have a HEART! EVIL S.O.B. along with Bush and other PNAC insane,evil, fascists! And SOMEONE PLEASE slip a note to Fitzgerald and tell him that George Steffenopolis has a source he needs to talk with about Bush and Cheney knowing and agreeing with outing Plame! They are also behind 9-11, too! Get a free DVD on 9-11 @ www.reopen911.org and if you prove towers were NOT denoted, you can win $1million! Get a clue, sheep! They NEVER intended to go after Bin Laden! Because THEY ARE ALL IN CAHOOTS TOGETHER! Bin Laden used to work for CIA, PROBABLY still does! He is probably on CIA payroll as we speak! Nothing would surprise me! Why did they outsource catching him to locals in Tora Bora, if they REALLY wanted him caught? If it was REALLY DEAD OR ALIVE, WHY OUTSOURCE CATCHING HIM TO SOMEONE ELSE? LIKE LOCALS!? They NEVER intended to catch him, because they are in cahoots with him and are NOT even looking for him anymore! All a bunch of BS! Meant to keep masses afraid and stupid and scared to give up their freedoms at home and suppress opposition at home, while killing innocent people and trying to steal their oil and also to keep military spending high so they can warprofiteer off likes of Halliburton, which Saudi's and Bin Laden family ALSO invested in,etc. Get a CLUE SHEEP! We have been had, or should I say some have been had! Some know what in hell is REALLY going on! And are trying like hell to stop him/them! 1. Why did building 7 collaspe,when no plane hit it? 2. Why did Jeb Bush send records of highjacker's out of country on C130? 3. There were at least 5 war games going on that morning, one actually mirrored the attacks going on! 4. Why hasn't the FBI released the video from gas station across Pentagon IF it proves their story? 5. Why did Jeb Bush sign an executive order on Sept. 7th authorizing calling out Guard in case of "acts of terrorism" 4 days before 9/11? 6. Why wasn't crime scene of towers roped off and material left to be examined instead of being whisked away to China, before firefighters or others had a chance to examine them? 7. Bush's brother worked for security firm of WTC, Dulles, and United! 8. 8 out of 10 9/11 commission members either had ties to Bush Adminstration or oil companies, HOW INDEPENDENT IS THIS? 9. Why did Cheney and Bush have to testify together and NOT under OATH? 10. Why is there little puffs of smoke seen from towers below where planes hit, that proves towers were donated with explosives! 11. WHY are we NOT still going after Bin Laden? 12. Why has Bush said more than once, that he saw FIRST, I REPEAT FIRST PLANE HIT TOWERS? I can go on and on! THEY ARE BEHIND 9-11 AS SURELY AS I AM SITTING HERE TYPING THIS! I PRAY THE U.S. MARSHALL'S GO IN THERE IN W.H. AND I PRAY FITZGERALD INDICTS THEM ALL AND U.S. MARSHALLS GO INTO WHITE HOUSE AND FROG MARCH THEIR EVIL, MURDERING ASSES OUT! Or more poetic justice would be for U.S. TROOPS to get to FROG march the EVIL, murdering asses out of there and in cuffs and leg irons too! PROVE NOONE IS ABOVE THE LAW!
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
... texaslady said on 10/14/2005 @ 7:37 am PT...
Sue - I agree with you....and it surprises me that the most die hard Bush supporter doesn't begin to wonder if just one of the "coincidences" isn't true.
I have to wonder does any Bush supporter read the history of this group? If you live your life lying, cheating, corporate stealing, why should we expect anything different in public office?
Suddenly they are born again and doing what is the best for their country? Guess again !
The audacity is in using Christianity and the religious right to do the most obscene things to others. Where in the Bible does it say step on others to get what you want, steal stockholders life savings, destroy a country or in this case 3 countries and counting. America, Afganistan, Iraq and pushing for Iran.
There is an old saying, like clean your own house before complaining about your neighbor. And America has a very, very dirty house.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
... merifour said on 10/14/2005 @ 9:55 am PT...
Texaslady...they are programmed to believe that anything their preacher, rush, fox, or bush doesn't tell them is a lie. My husband is asleep in front of the tv right now, he had some christian show on which I can hear, the host is begging for money from his sheep, using the bible to make his request legitimate. Sadly his sheep will send it, he will use it to pay for his million dollar house, new car, and few diamonds for his little woman. Bushes base eats that stuff up. (I know he didn't turn this on to watch, more than likely hit the remote button when he fell asleep and I am too busy here to go turn off that garbage)
Sue, you are so right about 911. I didn't believe the story from the getgo and I only found one site on the net that questioned it right away. The site was in Canada. I know I was not alone in my suspicion but I certainly felt like it. When I uttered the words 'bush did it' I figured the gestapo would be at my door. I taped the happenings for 3 days and when I read a book about what happened it is interesting to watch the tapes and see what happened in real time, before the spin started. (BTW some of the spin started within just a couple of hours...Iraq was on the agenda (it was obvious from watching MSM's 'experts in this, that, whatever) it kept being mentioned. The 'experts' also talked about OBL, strange bush didn't know about him.........). I flipped the channels constantly to get different takes. I like to tape these things because history is always rewritten and as there is so much disorder at the beginning it is interesting to see how the story is changed. M4
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
... texaslady said on 10/14/2005 @ 11:41 am PT...
Merifour - I have had a taste of religion, raised Lutheren, married Catholic, really couldn't accept having a go between, between me and God.
When someone needs to be told what is right and wrong, or who to vote for, or to lend a helping hand to those who need it, that is worse than sad.
It doesn't take Bible thumping, or total acceptance of someone's opinion to have values or morals.
It seems that the ones holloring the loudest are the ones sneaking around with someone else's wife or husband, stealing from their neighbors. And worst of all the most judgemental of all !
I hope before I die I can meet a real Christian person and a real Republican that isn't the most selfish person on the block.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
... merifour said on 10/14/2005 @ 9:40 pm PT...
Texaslady, I know their are some really good people out there that choose to call themselves Christian and that is okay with me. I, like you, find it sad that some feel they have to shove it down my throat at my door to WARN me about the END TIME. I have eyes and ears, I know what is happening to this planet for Christs sakes, I certainly don't need to hear it from these spiritually unevolved people. I have enough understanding of spirit to recognize they are at the bottom of the rung of the ladder and have a long way to go before they reach the step I'm on. So be it. I will listen to those further along than I am, as I have much to learn from those that are enlightened but I have little use for those that want to CONVERT me or suggest I am not of the 'right' religion.
Regarding the republicans, well, I guess I would say they have good people too. My Mother decided she was one and my Mother was a wonderful person. She was not from this Country. She grew up in the South Pacific and married my father during WWII. She 'became' a 'R' in her 80's and unfortunately she believed in the old GOP. I tried to explain to her about the NEOCON's and finally 3 months before she died she told me she was having second thoughts about bush. She was an avid reader and reading alot of American history in the year before she died. I think that is the problem with alot of republicans, they really don't understand what has happened to their party. They don't understand how immoral it has become. They listen to the 'talking points' and vote for 'moral values'. doing no research, no homework. Sad, so sad. M4
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
... texaslady said on 10/15/2005 @ 8:24 am PT...
Merifour - it is frustrating to hear so many defending this administration simply because of their party label. If John McCain would have been nominated I would have voted for him in a minute. I look for the group who is best for America.
Bush with his lazyness allowed the greedy to take over for power and has gutted America financially, environmentally, and Internationally.
Republicans profess to want financial stability, its gone, Republicans profess to want a smaller government, it is never been as large as today.
So the values Republicans supposedly push for, this administration has destroyed. Yet, because they have always voted Republican, they can't admit their party is off track.
There must be some Republican thinkers, aren't they wondering whats happening?
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
... merifour said on 10/15/2005 @ 9:09 am PT...
Texaslady, I so agree. Everything is upside down and black is white in todays Orwellian world. I watched a little bit of MSM yesterday and am so glad I turned it off. One has to be really grounded to see through all the garbage being spewed at 'we the people' 24/7.
When I bought Buchanan's book (Blinded by the Right), I thought, why am I buying this! I didn't open it for several weeks and then saw him on tv and decided maybe it was time. I couldn't believe what I was reading. That book should be required reading for every republican that still believes they are in the Grand Old Party.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
... texaslady said on 10/15/2005 @ 10:00 am PT...
Merifour In 1998 I began reading on Bush, everything for and against him. Trying to make a fair judgement of his competence.
Checked out the background on Cheney, Bush, Rove, Wolfawitz, Rumsfeldt. I found the most greedy, power hungry group and it not only shocked me, it scared me.
Then finding out that authors writting opposing Bush's agenda's or even that his policies weren't the best for citizens, were losing their careers.
Bush went in as Governor with a balanced budget and surplus...less than 4 years later we had financial crisis, our schools went downhill and the insurance co and big money were running the show. Sound familiar?
And 9/11 knowing Bush's background I was very suspicious. Just the demolition of the buildings alone, doesn't fit. The janitor that claims he heard explosions, yet no one will even listen to him or cover his discussions. People wanted answers and heard nothing for two years. Just move on was the constant theme. Well, lets find out whats wrong so it doesn't happen again. Don't play the blame game. Well its time to start laying the blame.
All dictators start this way, control the journalist, find a common fear and people look for someone to lead them until it is too late, the dictator is in power.
I am hoping that because Joe Wilson wouldn't shut up, and Rove was too arrogant, the house of cards will start crumbling.
We have the Internet and Brad and Winter Patriot and those who will not be quiet. So we are better off than before.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
... merifour said on 10/16/2005 @ 11:29 am PT...
Texaslady, being from Texas, which I am assuming from your name, you certainly have some first hand knowledge of how bush operates. I have read bits and pieces of what he did while Governor.
Rove was very busy during those years according to info I have read and documentaries I have watched. Rove began his 'dirty trick' campaign during Johnson. He has been working on this agenda for so long and has been very successful to date. How can one man bring down a country... with alot of help from his friends. He prances and dances, is quite a funny guy from what I understand, very liked...yada, yada, yada.
Smiling as he twists the knife in the back of America. I don't know if he will wriggle out of this one (Plame) but knowing a little of his modes operandi he just may pull it off.
Regarding the others, I can't fathom in my wildest imagination why they hate this country so much. It is about money which is really about power, but they can't take it with them...so they are going to spend their short livespan here (relative to the age of the planet), to sow all of this horrible karma, do they not realize they will be held accountable.
I have been asking the big questions for several years, one being 'why am I here'. The answer is coming to me now in bits and pieces, I am beginning to believe I am here to witness how a civilization falls. The big questions I have read about are why did Atlantis fall, what happened to Lemuria, closer to home and smaller scale, the Anazazi. Regarding the first two, though there does not appear to be any hard evidence, what is out there suggests abuse of power. Based on this premise, what I am witnessing is right in line. When I allow myself to look into the future and the civiliations that will come after us, I see the same questions will be asked about our 10,000 year old history. I wonder how the people in Atlantis and Mu viewed the decline of their civilizations. Some must have fought hard to stop it but it happened anyway.
I believe in reincarnation. I believe we come back to deal with our karma. I believe we come back in groups. Family, Country, and to the Planet as a whole. Are we the Lemurians, Atlanteans that have come back to right what we did wrong before, (I know I am getting Metaphysical now) but with that line of thinking, we are failing again. So goes the history of this Planet, no wonder we are so far out on the edge of the Milky Way. We are an immature, dangerous species, certainly not fit to enter into a 'Universal' community.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
... Sue said on 10/16/2005 @ 1:14 pm PT...
IF this isn't a cover-up by Fitzgerald, THEN WHY IN HELL DOESN'T HE MAKE BUSH TESTIFY BEFORE GRAND JURY TOO? None of them will get punished probably as there is TWO sets of justice in America, ONE for Rich and powerful and ONE for rest of us! Don't ANYONE tell me there is REAL JUSTICE IN AMERICA BECAUSE THERE IS NONE,PERIOD! IF there was, Bush,Cheney,Rummie, Crummie, and rest of insane, evil, murdering Neo-Con Con artists would be imprisoned as we speak! And ALL their ill gotten gains through overcharging by Halliburton and Becktel would be given back to U.S. Treasury, and their evil, murdering asses in Gitmo or hanged for TREASON, WAR CRIMES, AND WAR PROFITEERING! NO DAMN JUSTICE IN AMERICA ANYMORE! WHY WON'T FITZGERALD DEMAND BUSH TESTIFY TOO? NOONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOVE THE LAW! America is DONE FOR! They ALONG with GUTLESS corporate whore D's, some of them, too many of them and gutless R's have sided with Bush cabal to literally destroy America! IF Fitzgerald had any balls at all, he would call to testify Bush himself! You know Libby and/or Rove didn't out her by themselves but had orders from one or both to do it with agreement from other ones that OK'd it! Get a clue! Most R's are nothing but evil, corrupt aholes! And most D's are gutless, corporate whores too! When are politician's of EITHER party going to be punished for what they do to America or average America people always in favor of Big Business and RICH! ONLY TOP 5% OF PEOPLE ARE GETTING ANY REPRESENTATION ANYMORE!
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