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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 12:30 pm PT...
Because of a lie.
I know how to get FEMA to NO, Iraq, or anywhere else.
Just tell DeLay that Terri Schiavo is there ... they will work all weekend and call everyone in on it and get some law made pronto.
TERRI IS IN BAGDAD delay SO GET HER OUTTA THERE FAST!!
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 12:34 pm PT...
As a recent Freeway Blogger here in Portland, I must say its exciting and feels a lot more direct than typing into the keyboard. I made up my own message, the same that is in my car and gets me favorable comments every day. You get great support from the Freeway Blogger Yahoo group too.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 12:51 pm PT...
IM LOOKING FOR BRADBLOG COVERAGE OF THE HISTORIC VOTE IN IRAQ AND THE CONSTITUION. STILL LOOKING AND FOUND NOTHING.
WHY NO BLOG ON THAT?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 1:15 pm PT...
Here you go...from the AP today...
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) --- The U.S. military death toll in the Iraq war reached 2,000 with the announcements Tuesday of three more deaths.
Also Tuesday, Iraqi election officials said the nation's constitution was adopted by a majority in a fair vote during the Oct. 15 referendum, as Sunni Arab opponents failed to muster enough support to defeat it. A prominent Sunni politician called the balloting "a farce."
The Pentagon announced that Staff Sgt. George T. Alexander Jr., 34, of Killeen, Texas, died Saturday in San Antonio of injuries sustained Oct. 17.
Alexander was wounded in Samarra, a town 60 miles north of the Iraqi capital. He was assigned to the 1st Battalion, 15th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division at Fort Benning, Ga.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 1:18 pm PT...
The "historic vote" is being overshadowed by the "ongoing endless violence".
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 2:04 pm PT...
"The "historic vote" is being overshadowed by the "ongoing endless violence"."
Well that depends on the size of the tree you are standing behind. Something tells me these 2kwhy folks didn't bother watching Dr. Condoleezza Rice on CSPAN last week during the Senate Foreign Relations hearings where she was asked questions concerning the war by Democrat and Republican Senators to shed a little more light on the overshadowed left.
By now, the left is already drowning in the anti-war pool. This 2KWHY mission is not really saying much, other than "war is bad". I'm sure these folks have CSPAN. I would be willing to bet though that half of America that doesn't bother watching CSPAN hearings aren't going to understand what half of these signs mean anyway.
The energy that could be spent here, on Katrina victims, or sending care packages to our troops by joining various efforts in your local areas could be far more beneficial to our country overall. I bet though that it is the same folks who exploit their right to free speech by mucking up our freeways with computer generated banners out of "print shop" as it is the ones who aren't donating to this website as they should be.
BTW, I'd like to thank Jo for making one point. The number of deaths climbed SLOWLY to 2,000 but most importantly her post showed the reluctant Sunnis failing. Just 3 months ago John Kerry boasted that the opposite was going to happen.
Incidentally he brought that point up during the hearings last week with Dr. Rice, which of course she corrected him on immediately. .
Keep ranting liberals, as the President and our troops, and the republican party continues to save your ass and preserve your freedoms to ensure that your children and grandchildren can pointlessly whine as well.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 2:08 pm PT...
Medium "Intelligence" #3
It is not an historic vote any more than the same shit-head votes in Vietnam were. It is a hysterical vote contrived to fool only the fools.
And those "elections" in Vietnam were not too long before the neoConvicts in that catastrophic success decided they had enough "liberty" there.
And soon after those hysterical votes there, Nixon resigned and his aides went to prison.
I do not expect you ditto heads to see the sameness because of your lameness.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 2:16 pm PT...
Steve F #6
Yo daddy made these same lame arguments in the hysterical past:
"U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote:
Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror
by Peter Grose, Special to the New York Times (9/4/1967: p. 2)
WASHINGTON, Sept. 3 ó United States officials were surprised and heartened today at the size of turnout in South Vietnam's presidential election despite a Vietcong terrorist campaign to disrupt the voting.
According to reports from Saigon, 83 per cent of the 5.85 million registered voters cast their ballots yesterday. Many of them risked reprisals threatened by the Vietcong.
The size of the popular vote and the inability of the Vietcong to destroy the election machinery were the two salient facts in a preliminary assessment of the nation election based on the incomplete returns reaching here. "
Take note that the Sept 3 in the article was about 40 years ago.
This bu$shit is old, neoConvict, war monger, lie infested, and lame crap flushed down the toilet during the daze of yo mamma.
Get a freakin grip.
PS. The neoConvict doctrine you worship would put you to death for your "sodomy".
Get a freakin grip.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 2:24 pm PT...
I remember the elections in Vietnam also were "Historic". About a month later I was dropping flowers on a flag draped casket and crying my eyes out...
Thanks for the memories.. :0( sniff
Off topic: Raw story is doing a series in conjunction with air america radio on the fighting Dems ( I am proud to have been one back in the olden days). It features articles about/by Paul Hackett, Bryan Lentz and David Ashe. A good read.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 2:25 pm PT...
"It is not an historic vote any more than the same shit-head votes in Vietnam were."
Funny this "point" was never made before when liberals first prediction that Iraq didn't want us there, and that the vote was going to fail in the first place. Now that Republican leaders have proved you wrong, I'd see why you'd want to understate the success by comparing it to Vietnam.
So tell me? What constitution was written? How many North Vietnamese voted? How many of those same citizens were gassed to death by their own dictators?
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 2:30 pm PT...
"PS. The neoConvict doctrine you worship would put you to death for your "sodomy"."
LOL....under the current law, gay men are not put to death in the United States of America, nor are heterosexuals for engaging in Sodomy. In some states, they may be imprisoned or fines imposed on them, however; in Iraq, Saddam would have gladly punished ANY homosexual behavior with death, giving it the same penalities as prostitution and rape.
So before you get too miled in your overwhelming concern for homosexuals rights to sodomy, why don't you try making a fair comparrison and expect anyone with common sense to accept your characterzations of such broad subjects such as war and comparing Vietnam to Iraq.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 2:40 pm PT...
Steve's point makes me wonder how many openly gay men are fighting in Iraq? Or in the military at all? How about Jeff Gannon? Wasn't he on some military stud blog?
Sorry I'm a little behind the times on this one. When I was in the military homosexuality was totally taboo.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 2:54 pm PT...
Steve F #11
You mention current law in response to my statement about "neoConvicts". I trust the folk here will see your straw man diversion for what it is.
Denial river full of the whining sauce. So back to reality ...
The neoConvicts get their power from the right wing neoCon religionists.
As blind as you are, I do not expect you to see it coming until the blade touches the skin of your neck just before you physically loose your head. You have already mentally lost it.
I am in contact with many right wing religionists, and I know what they think about your homosexuality.
The most extreme, possibly, is WWW.GODHATESFAGS.COM, however, sermons from many right wing "christian" fundies often cite this:
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13
Here are some troll strokes for you
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 3:00 pm PT...
Flyer in my bank asking for personal items to send to the troops in Iraq. I added that we could send them armor.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 3:08 pm PT...
It's always nice to see the trolls out in force. Kinda warms the heart, you know?
But on the other hand...
-- Blogging is voluntary. Brad is not required to blog about every farce that comes along.
-- Anyone who has been paying attention knows already that Condoleeza Rice is even less trustworthy than her predecessor, which is quite an accomplishment when you stop and think about it.
-- the point that the Iraqi constitutional referendum is a total farce has been made many times before.
-- the majority of Iraqis really DON'T want us there.
-- Republican leaders have never proved any of this wrong, they simply lied about it over and over until certain sleepwalking Americans started to believe them. But that doesn't prove anything.
Troll on, fools!
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 3:12 pm PT...
I also think we should send them Steve.
He is dying to fight in this war and the only thing in the way is that pesky "no gays" rule. President Bush should make an exception for him. :0)
Sorry Stevie I was just funnin with ya.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 3:23 pm PT...
"-- Anyone who has been paying attention knows already that Condoleeza Rice is even less trustworthy than her predecessor, which is quite an accomplishment when you stop and think about it."
See why are liberals allowed to make vague accusatory statements like this and it's viewed as truth? Where is the evidence of this? Sort of like that whole Tom Delay thing .
"-- the majority of Iraqis really DON'T want us there."
Another broad statement with no figures or links or statistics. I bet the number of liberals who have made that statement in and of itself exceeds the number of Iraqi's that have vocally spoken out against the war. I tell ya what, why don't one of you go up against me. I will go pull every quote that implies that Iraq does not want us there, and you go pull every quote from actual Iraqis and let's see who's number is greater . Anyone up for this? Until then, the most compelling evidence is the success of the voter turnout and the decline in Insurgent attacks from the initial elections versus the constitution referendum.
"-- Republican leaders have never proved any of this wrong".
I just did, as Ann pointed out during her "debate" woth Brad, you are not allowed to throw out accusations without proof and then say "okay now you prove me wrong". That's not the way it works.
"The neoConvicts get their power from the right wing neoCon religionists."
Eminem wasn'ty a religious fanatic and he wanted gays dead as well. Many people who disagree with homosexuality have a right to do so. I have not been affected by any of them. Nice try though.
Okay and JO I can take a joke, it's all good.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 3:35 pm PT...
Consensual sodomy is not something the government can punish in the United States since Lawrence v Texas (link here).
That is the case that drove the religious right crazy ... that is why bu$hit appointed who he has to the Supreme Court.
They still want sodomy outlawed and are fighting to have it done.
Then there will be another 2k Why but the answer will be "the 2,000 th fag just got prosecuted for sodomy".
Will you be one of them Steve F, and will you ask for a neoCon judge cause the one you got contributed to moveon.org (like delay did)?
You probably would, which is disingenuous, or you are not a homosexual. Like some here have said.
Or perhaps you are suicidal. Fine, just don't put out the crap that the bu$hit is pro-gay ... they are not.
And neither are many liberals. I am not pro gay nor pro abortion.
I, like the Lawrence v Texas court think the government should stay out of american bedrooms from beginning to end.
And I think they should stay out of the mortuary too ... they have no right to lie their way into the bedroom or the mortuary.
2K Why? the LIE is why.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 4:10 pm PT...
"Will you be one of them Steve F, and will you ask for a neoCon judge cause the one you got contributed to moveon.org (like delay did)?"
Okay Dredd....let me explain a few things to you. First off you implied punishment by death. I am familiar with the Lawrence case and no I do not condone sodomy laws as a general matter. However, the punishments for Sodomy in the U.S. pale in comparrison to the punishments in Iraq for sodomy.
Secondly, the evidence in my opinion suggests that Earle has indeed been acting in a partisan way with DeLay. DeLay has every right to make sure this doesn't happen again with the judge. I'm sure Ronnie Earle is disappointed that he was not able to sneak this liberal judge in. I would like to see the judge's stats in the Hutchinson case that was thrown out of court after an entire year of Earle calling her a criminal.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 4:25 pm PT...
Have the laws and punishments for sodomy changed in Iraq since the dictator left?
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 4:31 pm PT...
The propaganda typified by Steve F and his ilk bring to mind a quip made by Jon Stewart about Tom DeLay some weeks ago:
"No one ever talks about the laws Tom DeLay DIDN'T break."
followed by a long list of crimes that scroll by the screen.
Sure, good American soldiers continue to die every week in Iraq, while the WMD they were sent there to find didn't exist. As the administration continues to exaggerate the number of Iraqi battalions they train, secret polls show most Iraqis are sympathetic towards the insurgency. Two hundred billion dollars later and Iraq has very little to show for it, while we have two thousand of our own dead and tens of thousands wounded.
We're so quick to point out these atrocities of foreign policy, but we hardly report on the things we DIDN'T completely fail at! Hey!!! We built some schools! They voted!! Purple fingers all 'round!!!!1
Goddamn bleeding heart conservatives make me sick..
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
A Concerned Citizen
said on 10/25/2005 @ 4:34 pm PT...
I think the freeway signers are patriotic and like others have posted, makes the drive a little nicer and gives you a ray of hope others know what it's about.
In my town, someone sprayed "Bush" on many of the Stop signs, so they read "Stop Bush" - guess some people are trying to reach people without the internet. I have to admit though, guess it's my childish ways, but I had to chuckle the first few times I saw it.
We're all helping to wake up America!
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 4:37 pm PT...
gay:neocon::black:GWB approval rating
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 4:38 pm PT...
"The U.S. judicial system - not as bad as Iraq!"
That's the spirit.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 5:06 pm PT...
#21: "No one ever talks about the laws Tom DeLay DIDN'T break."
That's brilliant! Thanks for bringing it, BVAC!
How about a list of the countries George W. Bush HASN'T [yet] invaded or threatened?
Or maybe a list of our Constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms that HAVEN'T [yet] been rescinded?
Or maybe we could make a list of the administration's outright lies that HAVEN'T [yet] been repeated here at the BRAD BLOG?
I admit those last two lists would be pretty short, but what the heck?
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 5:09 pm PT...
Steve #6 said:
"Keep ranting liberals, as the President and our troops, and the republican party continues to save your ass and preserve your freedoms to ensure that your children and grandchildren can pointlessly whine as well."
Median house cost - Sacramento $375,000
Gas $2.98 Gallon
Heat 1000 sqft house Avg $110 month (Winter Low temp avg 35deg F.)
Light the same house - all fluorescent, gas stove and gas waterheater. Avg $85/mo.
Milk $3.55 Gallon
Loaf of bread $3.19
HMO - Family of 4 $543/month
Lb of ground beef $2.89
Lb of rib steak $10.48
Pay off of national debt $127,548 per family.
New car $22,000
Ca. Minimum Wage $6.75/hr
Inflation rate Jan 2000 2.74%
Inflation rate Sept 2005 4.69 %
Tuition at State University $2,566 year (Excl. Textbooks - typ. $80-$120 ea.)
Billionaires R Us
Last time I got a raise - 2 years ago.
In just a couple years my kids will be heading out on their own I have no idea how they will cope with the above. As much as we have tried, my wife and I have barely been able to keep afloat. It's been next to impossible to save for their future.
Thanks for looking out for my kids and grandkids Steve!
Political Profiling of Demonstrators
Death of Due Process
Ashcroft Limits Freedom of Information Inquiries
Justice Dept. Defies Judge's Orders
Are civil Liberties the Real victim of the War on Terror
Terrorizing the Bill of Rights
Left & Right Condemn Anti-Terror Moves
And again thanks Steve for looking out for my freedoms!
I know it's hard work and y'all been workin' real hard so one more time THANKS!
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 6:23 pm PT...
Steve F - at the risk of bringing down the wrath of the other "6 or 7" BB faithful, i will admit i am NOT convinced there were no WMD's - i am aware of 2 terrorism experts who claim there was. one, Yoseph Bodansky, said they were shipped to Syria before the action started. the other, Michael Scheuer (aka anonymous) in his book "Imperial Hubris" wrote the WMD's were connected to the sectarian northern Kurds who we protected in a "no-fly zone" - not with Hussein's regime. BUT, both Bodansky and Scheuer are (unless they've changed their minds lately) strongly opposed to our war over there even tho they were convinced of the existence of Iraqi WMD's. (heck, Joe Wilson thought there were WMD's, thought they would be used, but was not opposed to regime change). my point is as follows - IMO, you don't seem to give serious consideration to the notion that our actions in Iraq have actually INCREASED the threat to our society. How do you respond to Scheuer's belief that bin Laden considered our invasion "a gift from God"? It seems so dangerouly cavalier to simply dismiss views opposed to the President's as leftist/liberal rambling. Pat Buchanan is hardly a liberal. sorry for the long post ya'll.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 7:08 pm PT...
seems like we have a sodomy expert with very little real world information ,ask condi about the aluminium tubes that can ONLY be used for enriching uranium,these guys crack me up ,always bitchen' bout liberals not posting links but they never post any links to back up the crap they spew.
anti-truth worshippers "google" "impeach bush" ,"911 omissions","DSM","stolen election"...if your not concerned .your not paying attention.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 7:11 pm PT...
"Median house cost - Sacramento $375,000"
All republican's fault? How about the Hollywood celebrities like Barbra Streisand who are liberal? I wonder how much their house is worth.
You have the right to move....houses in my town are on average 167,000.00
"Gas $2.98 Gallon"
All Republicans fault? I think not. The last three decades, democrats and republicans alike have rubbed noses with middle eastern leaders to gratify our growing needs for oil. More $$$ all along should have been used to implement alternative energy studies to lessen our dependence on oil.
Terrorism is the blame here. We all, democrats and republicans have to pay the price. These issues should have been dealt with decades ago in order to avoid being hit all at once with these issues. It's a horrible mess, but one that requires our support to wait it out as Americans. War, 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, all of these things combined are contributing to it. But to connotate negativity to "Only Republicans" to make your point is absurd.
As far as Milk and Bread are concerned, I'm not sure where you are shopping. For years, California's cost of living has been among the highest in the nation. Here though a gallon of milk is around 2.49 and you can still buy bread for 1.39.
New Car - It's called inflation. Your 22,000 quote is nothing compared to what most hungry Americans with shell out for an SUV or a BMW. Talk to those people before you complain about spending $22,000.
Finally, all of your links provided that "deny" constitutional "rights" or undermine "constitutional" law, this is all a debate going on right now. The originalist view of the constitution (mine) versus liberals who make up laws and rights by using the 14th amendment. These are still being debated. Your complaints are based on "facts" determined by "liberal America"....I am not convinced that these were rights in the first place.
I spent last week in Philadelphia and NYC. It was fascinating to see where the constitution and Declaration was first written (Independence Hall). Seeing these historic places, the Liberty Bell, and places like Betsy Ross's home and reading into true history of American Patriots battling the British and receiving scrutiny from Loyalists who were whining about paying the price while the work was being done sure puts today into perspective when it comes to #1. preserving the rights for ourselves and #2. bringing the same independence to others.
The only thing Condoleezza Rice was guilty of last week was not being completely open with the Senate regarding the number of years this war is going to take.
Going after the few terrorists directly involved in 9/11 would have made us feel better. I however believe as Condi pointed out that in a world without democracy and freedom that these attacks on American interests that have happened over the past 20 years would have never ended.
After Iraq, we'll be going to Iran, then Syria....the best thing for Americans to do is to toughen up and get ready for the next World War. As we gather allies and support and move through the middle east we aren't going to be able to avoid chaos as long as the liberal movement fails to see the big picture.
At the end of all of this Bluebear, your children and grandchildren can indeed thank republicans for getting it off to a damn good start as we thank Americans today centuries later for our Independence. True Patriots who refused to cave into Loyalists who were afraid of revolutions.
"Goddamn bleeding heart conservatives make me sick.."
Well thanx BVAC...up until now, liberals had always contended that conservatives have no heart at all. Are you saying that the roles have switched?
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 7:22 pm PT...
Many people today believe we are living in the 'end time'. Many people today believe Bush is our new savior, (forget the bible prophecy part about the antichrist and false prophet...haven't seen them mentioned or named by the Christian Right). To believe literally in biblical prophecy then it should be noted that the bible also states that in the 'end time' ALL SECRETS WILL BE REVEALED. BTW, though not a bible student, I know enough to make me dangerous. The message given regarding the 'end time' is absolutely adament about the use of discernment. The secrets are being revealed daily whether this is the 'end time' or not, whether bush is the new savior, antichrist, or false prophet, I caution those that believe bush is fulfilling the prophecy of Revelation, (apocaplyse), to do their homework. Make sure you know which side you on are on, as it will matter when all is said and done, in more ways than you can comprehend. I AM M4.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 7:28 pm PT...
Steve F, #29
I've read enough of your writing to see that you deal in sophistry and the phony liberal/conservative paradigm that makes arguments oh-so-fun and easy. If you want to sustain some kind of discourse, holding me to the assertions of those who came before me simply won't cut it.
What you might want to do, is examine the content of my post rather than the bumpersticker ending, and re-respond.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 7:40 pm PT...
Hooray Bluebear2! Excellent post.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 8:45 pm PT...
Wake Up America " If A President Speaks Like A
Fucking Moron ..... Conclude . . .
HE'S A FUCKING MORON "
Bluebear2 U Da Man
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 8:46 pm PT...
Sodomy expert! I'll bet that makes for an interesting business card.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 10:37 pm PT...
Steve, Yeah... I blame Rethugs for the cost of living skyrocketing and wages not keeping up. Outsourcing takes away jobs instead of companies putting their profits back in the pockets of workers.. That money hits the CEOs (and back to investors, which, as I pointed out in other posts, leaves near 60% of society out of those "proceeds") and is pissed away in "expenses" like jets and yachts and mansions that are perks for the board members.. The Rethugs pass laws to burry that money instead of encouraging that money to end back up in "general circulation", so yeah.. I blame Rethugs, in general.. I also blame Dems who support such legislation (like that bullshit Bankruptcy Bill that screws over most "averge Americans" that would need it, but don't bother rich folks dumping 10s of millions in debt from "bad ventures")
As for the bullshit about "justfication for being in Iraq", it's just that.. bullshit. I can't find the article from RawStory.com, but the recent polls showed 86% of Iraqis SUPPORTING the INSURGENCY.. um.. hello? Killing U.S. Troops.. supported by the Iraqi people.. I think that makes it CLEAR they don't want us there.. No WMDs (and the tired bullshit of "they could have moved them".. yeah, and pigs could sprout wings and fly at night when we sleep.. There was NO evidence to support they had WMDs, NO evidence to support they were "moved", no evidence at all.. And, watching the BBC program about "the power of nightmares", Rumsfeld was lying in 1981 about Russia.. making up stories about Russia's weapons capacities DESPITE the evidence to the CONTRARY.. these whacos have been working up to this for 25 years.. Rummy and Cheney have been attached to the White House all this time.. slimy little neoCons in the wings pulling strings, lying to the leaders and public, all for their desire to put Straus' (sp) plan into effect). There has never been one piece of evidence supporting the 2003 invasion of Iraq, none. All the Chem/Bio evidence was based on 1991 data, none of it was current. The ONLY weapons that were "found" were 6 SCUD missles that were launched at us during the first week.. And the irony there is, they were ACTIVELY DESTROYING THEM when we invaded.. so the last 6 got shot at us instead of destroyed.. duh?
As far as your "sodomy" issues.. The "religious right" in this country want to criminalize it.. Do you think it's reasonable to put people in prison for doing what they feel like doing in their house where they are with consenting partners and no one gets hurt? Just because they were beheaded in Iraq (that I'm not sure about.. other countries, perhaps.. I've not heard Saddam killing homosexuals, he had a more secular regeim than most Muslim areas around him). Just keep it up.. keep these psychos in office that lie to us to get us into a war that kills Americans for NO GOOD REASON (they are not protecting our freedoms.. Saddam was not a threat to our freedoms) and puts us back into so much debt that we're at historical record levels.. nice.. Also note, Saddam killed some 300,000 of his people TOTAL in the 20+ years running the show as a dictator (only 5,000 were gassed, not 300k as is being touted erronously by those that don't have a valid position and so need to lie and exaggerate to maintain support). Bothersome? yeah.. but no where NEAR as bad as a lot of people running various countries NOW.. killing 10s of thousands NOW.. millions dead in various countries.. yet, we're not there helping them.. why? I'll tell ya why.. they aren't religous, don't have oil, and aren't in the middle of a hot-bed of religiously motivated "I'm better than you, my god is better than yours".. that's why.. Also note, there have been 10s of thousands of Americans to die of neglect in THIS country in the past 20+ years (I recon I should get the statistics.. I'm thinking it's more near 100s of thousands, but without the data, won't make that claim). How about our leaders spend $300 BILLION on us? Oh, wait, they're CUTTING spending on our own people to pay for the illegal invasion of Iraq..
Your constant bashing on "lefties suck" and "liberals are the problem" is the -exact- position the nutso religious right in this country are harping on.. Straus was big on that too, and his general premise was for "leaders to convince the masses to believe the fantasy so the leaders can work undisturbed and save the country".. The 2 biggest fantasies were Religion and Fear (all those terror alerts? and all the screwy information/lies/distractions/distortions about Sept. 11, 2001? like a MISSING air-liner at the Pentagon?) Sorry, but the biggest saving we need is from lying cheating stealing murdering politicians.. And the brain-dead (or fundamentally corrupt) supporters they depend on to stay in power (possibly illegally)..
Oh, and DeLay is playing all the legal games he can.. doesn't sound like an "innocent man" to me, sounds like somene trying to use all the loopholes he can and bend the "facts" as far as he can, but needs someone willing to accept lies ..
OH.. and for the Iraq Constitution... What about the -fact- that the "critical district" was counted for 10 days? Was it all in the open? I've see NO coverage for the past 7 or 8 days.. since right after they "found out" they had 2 of the 3 dissenting districts.. Hmm.. Also note that the Iraqi Parliment had TRIED to put in plans to "ensure the Constitution was ratified" REGARDLESS of the vote.. The U.S. put the brakes on that (supposedly).. And 10 days to recount a district? the CRITICAL district? and the OPEN statement from some U.S. officials AND Iraqi MPs.. (paraphrased) "It's a good thing the Constitution passed.. Iraq doesn't have time to waste on one year setback".. And, don't forget.. this is FAR from over.. The MPs "promised to listen" to the Sunni about their "concerns", but there is no promise that anything will come of it.. If the vote was "accurate", then this is a good step.. yet, I don't hold much hope that it's "settled" because I don't think the MPs will actually give any considerations to the Sunni.. which I think will spark a Civil War there..
Anyway.. my only post here.. I've learned not to argue with Steve F.. He refuses to discuss things like an adult, he insists on "debating like a Republican".. That's not condusive to truth and honesty.. it's condusive to getting people all twisted up and confused, and since they scream loudest, in that confusion, you walk away with what ever lie/disinformation they screamed last.. It's funny to see the comment about how you can't say "you can't disprove this!", yet that's exactly the argument used for "moved the WMDs out".. the net is "you can't disprove it".. nice..
DeLay is going to face trial. If he's guilty, hopefully a long prison term. If he's innocent, he'll be free to go about his business.
Rove/Libbey likely to be indicted tomorrow (or this week, the information has been turned over to the Grand Jury).. Cheney and Bush might be indicted as well (and it's telling that the hypocrits and shit-bags on the "right" are saying "I hope they don't try to pull them in on a technicallity.. like Purjury or Obstructing Justice".. nevermind that you guys Impeached Clinton on EXACTLY THOSE CHARGES.. but he lied about a hummer, not outing a resource for National Security.. or lieing us into a war that killed 2k+ troops and 100k+ Iraqis (through various fallout). Hell, 100k every 2 years.. we'll have Saddam's record beat in no time..
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 10/25/2005 @ 11:27 pm PT...
Here's a blog item that talks about that recent poll.. It's not 86%, it's 82%... and that wasn't the "supports the insurgency", just "doesn't want troops there".. it's only near 50% that think the "attacks are justified".. which I suppose is the "support for the insurgency".. Though, I would suspect that if the insurgents weren't killing so many Iraqis too, there would likely be more support for killing our troops..
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 4:25 am PT...
Also, no one ever seems to mention that, in public, on television, yes on the record, the admin told us the Iraq war would take 90 days ... and pay for itself (they always intended to use the oil).
Were they lying or just so wrong?
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 5:34 am PT...
Steve F, you are sooo brainwashed. They ARE NOT fighting for our freedom in Iraq. I was free before and after the Iraq War. I would be free if we did or didn't invade Iraq. Cut out the shit, they're fighting for our freedom. That's fascist bullshit!!! And you are brainwashed.
It's patriotic to question your leaders, according to Theodore Roosevelt.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 5:40 am PT...
Still waiting for your comments on the PNAC, and how outing a CIA agent is treasonous. Only the GOP would pull a "Benedict Arnold", and out an American CIA agent for political purposes.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 6:39 am PT...
Big Dan #39
Here is one confirmation of your statement:
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. (Theodore Roosevelt, "Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star", 149 May 7, 1918)
Many will remember that Teddy Roosevelt was a republican president.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 8:12 am PT...
Thanks for your excellent analysis.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 10:05 am PT...
Steve F #10, 11
You claim I was comparing Vietnam to Iraq. Of course there are plenty of dissimilarities as there are similarities. The vote propaganda they were peddling then is the same vote propaganda they are peddling now. Whether anything else is similar or not does not obviate the fact that the vote propaganda is the same.
You indicate that I argued that current law allows execution for sodomy. That sounds like someone who has a weak ability to read what is written. My actual statement was:
The neoConvict doctrine you worship would put you to death for your "sodomy". (post #8, emphasis added)
There is simply no way to interpret that to mean I think current law supports execution for sodomy.
I am well aware of the entire background of Lawrence v Texas, the cases cited within it, and the reason for the decision. And I read the dissenting neoCon opinions too.
I am also aware that Bush was the governor of the state that prosecuted Lawrence (v Texas). I am also aware of the 14th Appellate Court that made the decision which the US Supreme Court reversed.
The fact of the matter is that the neoCon doctrine from the religious right wants severe penalties, including the death penalty in the extreme view, for homosexual sodomy.
I even cited one religious right extremist who celebrates when bad things happen to america. That religious source celebrates those catastrophies because we have not put people like you in prison or executed you. That source actually believes all these things are coming down on america because of people like you.
It is similar to the fascists in Germany blaming their problems on the Jews. It is hatred.
Now for another clue, these are the sort of right wing religious people who support President Bush.
I think our amazement here is that you support the Bush doctrine but really can't in good faith because it does not make sense.
We are likewise amazed at the 2% of our black citizens who also support Bush. The simple reason we can't figure that support out is that Bush is not supporting these folk nor you folk.
I would like to know why people support people who are out to harm them. Perhaps it is the same psychology as folk who are kidnapped ... after a while they will argue in support of their kidnappers.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 11:40 am PT...
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 11:56 am PT...
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 12:14 pm PT...
I haven't heard the details of Michael Scheuer and Yossef Bodansky's claims. Were they in positions suitable to make such assertions? Did they base their findings on spectral analyses, soil samples, satellite recon, paper trails? I've heard the claims of WMD being moved to Syria from many different people, never substantiated. One does not simply pack up a nuclear weapons facility and high tail it to the border.
If you have any links, please share.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 1:04 pm PT...
Just one question for SteveF the Yellow Elephant:
With recruitment levels at an all time low during a war that he supports, why doesn't SteveF enlist to put his body where his mouth is?
He's the right age, and I'm sure the Military would be happy to sign him up *today*.
Sure, he's gay, but due to the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy (which is being ignored anyway, because the military is currently so desperate for bodies), as long as he doesn't "tell" he'll have no problem.
When are you going to enlist SteveF? If the policy is worth other folks dying for, why are you to good to do the same?
Support your country and support the troops! Or is ranting on the Internets easier than actually actually signing up to support your beliefs and your President?
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 1:21 pm PT...
To their credit the Sacramento Bee newspaper today had an almost FULL PAGE front cover spread with photos and all regarding the 2000th American killed in this illegal war.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 2:03 pm PT...
ConocoPhillips profit is up 89% (link here) .... uh is that a clue?
Is there any doubt as to why this terrible economy is called good by the admin? They are oil people who are behind the lies for going to war and they are the folk behind the lies for the reasons energy costs are going to hell.
Remember that the Bush Cheney white house is the one that has been fighting non-partisan groups who want documents about the energy task force that met as soon as the Bush Cheney "election" was complete.
The Bush Cheney white house wants documents classified so we do not know that they are oil people and that they are responsible for the great profits of the oil barons and the damage to the economy.
But the polls show the people know anyway. So the Bush Cheney white house and its MSM whores can just give up the charade. Its end game and you are loosers.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 2:28 pm PT...
MMIIXX #44, #45
Thanks for the input. Based on that I did a web search and came up with:
The Stockholm syndrome is a psychological response of a hostage, or an individual in a hostage-like situation (e.g. dependent child, battered wife, etc) in which the more powerful person (captor, partner, child molester) (a) has the power to put the individual's life in danger or at least the power to worsen the individual's prospects for the future life, and (b) occasionally exercises this power in order to show that he or she is able to use it, if the victim will not conform to the more powerful person's will. The main symptom of the syndrome is the individual's seeming loyalty to the more powerful person in spite of the danger (or at least risk) that this loyalty puts them in.
That does explain Steve F and the other gays and lesbians being closet republicans and while such working against gay rights (like jeffie gannon).
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 3:15 pm PT...
You fail to see that Steve F is more effective fighting the BATTLE OF IDEAS! ... by trolling around bradblog starting inarticulate, pointless, meandering debates.
I mean look, I used to think that people of this mindset could be dealt with properly, and thanks to Steve F I now know otherwise!
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 6:02 pm PT...
Iraq vs. Vietnam
Q. What's the difference between the Vietnam War and the Iraq War?
A. George W. Bush had a plan to get out of the Vietnam War.
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 6:56 pm PT...
BVAC, #37 - check wikipedia for a good bio of Scheuer. Doesn't seem to be that much recent info on Bodansky, but I think he's over some kind of task force on terrorism that reports to congress. I would think both have the credentials to be considered "experts" - doesn't mean they're correct, of coarse. But does suggest we need to pay attention to their opinions. I'm sorry, but really don't know how they arrived at their conclusions about WMD's in Iraq. I heard Bodansky on the Rush Linbawl show one day, guest-hosted by Roger Hitchcock and they didn't go into any specifics. And I don't remember Scheuer mentioning nukes with regard to the Kurds - just bio and chemo weapons. Sorry I can't be more informative. Will try to do some searching when I get more time and if I find anything interesting on the two guys I'll let ya know.
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 10/26/2005 @ 11:22 pm PT...
Brad, judging by BVAC's post that followed you, I see that I must have previously "debunked" this same argument with him at some other time.
In any case, I'm surprised that a good liberal like yourself is STILL using this elementary argument to debate an idea. Rather than use this, tell me why the idea set forth here, by my peeps - the evil republicans - is the wrong idea in terms of preserving our own democracies as well as spreading democracy to a very sick part of the world.
I am thinking outside of the box of 9/11. This is where liberals go wrong in their thought processes. They believe "go after the ones strictly involved in 9/11". I - like Condoleezza Rice - explained on C-Span last week during the Foreign Relations Hearings, am more interested in killing the roots of the problems. Sort of like that annoying oak tree lurking over my house (I have about 26 of them on my property) I can spend the next three years trimming the branches that threaten my roof, or I can work diligently to kill the roots to get rid of the damn thing (as I have - took me all summer). Cleaning up Iraq, moving onto Syria and Iran as we gather support from other countries will in the long run, kill the roots of terrorists, who prey upon the fearful and oppressed (something you find in societies without democracy).
We can fight and debate - Al Franken, Ann Coulter, Michael Moore, Alan Colmes, Sean Hannity, blah blah blah - and present our documents and "proof" to justify going to Iraq in the first place, or for your side to justify sending the entire Bush administration to prison. I think this is fun and have been doing it for years. It's my hobby.
But, I'd rather, now work together to send morale to the troops, and make sure that the plan is effective in assuring that Iraqis can enjoy the same freedoms that you and I enjoy to this day.
But IF WE MUST go back to the same tiresome argument of "if you support something, you must join something", then fine Brad - I demand that you join your local police department and fire department tomorrow in fighting crime and fires to show that you truly support them. If you don't do this tomorrow, does it change the "idea" of having them around?
The last time I checked, everyone in the military is there because they enlisted. Their purpose is to serve their country and in turn get incredible government perks for their service. Even Casey Sheehan enlisted twice just to get away from his mother! LOL.
Most of this is indeed unproductive in moving our country and the world forward.
In lieu of exposing the "evil right wing", I'd be interested in "ideas". Brad, I am convinced you are intelligent, so please tell me, what are your original ideas for foreign policy, and if there is a democratic politician out there who has given a persistent "effective" idea that you endorse, what is it?
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 3:23 am PT...
judging by BVAC's post that followed you, I see that I must have previously "debunked" this same argument with him at some other time.
Actually, you've avoided confronting any information I put forth in a serious manner.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 7:53 am PT...
Good lord, you guys are too cute.
Brad, did you join the fire department today? LOL.
And BVAC, I don't avoid anything, LOL....ask away anything you want.
I'm glad though liberals can articulate when they are unable to debate "ideas"...the lengths they will go to to stay off track. Keep going, it keeps getting republicans elected .
And I will say "Thank You" for giving me a costume idea for Saturday night .
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 7:58 am PT...
Brad and BVAC..great pics. When I went to Steve's site I wondered why he would have a picture of himself on the site in his bathrobe? I understand he is proud that he is gay, which I have no problem with, but I didn't understand the reason for wearing a bathrobe. Guess I am just naive. I know a few people that are gay and smart and fun but I know I would never see them on the internet in their bathrobes. Just seemed rather odd to me. M4 (wondering if he goes to work at the company firm in his bathrobe)
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 9:19 am PT...
The 2K Why? question may have led to the withdrawal of Miers.
Presidential popularity is one source of presidential power. When that diminishes congress tends to distance themselves and even dis the pres.
2k Why became Miers - Why?
What is going to happen to the pres if Rove and/or Libby is indicted?
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 9:57 am PT...
I forgot about the "don't ask, don't tell". My nephew is on his second tour and would like to come home , so maybe Steve could take his place. Consider the perks Steve (group shower facilities for instance).
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 11:12 am PT...
Jo, well you answered my question regarding the bathrobe. When they reinstate the draft and do the background check they will see him in his bathrobe and probably check 'not interested' on their recruitment form. I rather guess the attire was politically motivated. M4
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 11:16 am PT...
"Rather than use this, tell me why the idea set forth here, by my peeps - the evil republicans - is the wrong idea in terms of preserving our own democracies as well as spreading democracy to a very sick part of the world."
Hmm.. so now you are FINALLY admitting that this is ethnic cleansing.. Congrats.. You PROVE that the terrorists have a VALID REASON to dislike us.. moron. They are JUST as entitled to "their way of life" as we are. The problem is, OUR way of life sucks up a LOT more resources than theirs.. and when "they" want to live like "us", thanks to your interference so you can get -their- resources too, there just won't be enough to go around. Hell, "our sick part of the world" is letting people starve to death, die of treatable diseases, make profits killing people.. yet you don't seem to condone invavind the U.S. and killing those in charge that allow those autrocities to continue.. interesting..
"I am thinking outside of the box of 9/11. This is where liberals go wrong in their thought processes. They believe "go after the ones strictly involved in 9/11". I - like Condoleezza Rice - explained on C-Span last week during the Foreign Relations Hearings, am more interested in killing the roots of the problems."
And this is -exactly- where you guys are a bunch of stupid assholes. First off, "killing the tree" is considered a "bad thing" by most (using your later statements from the post I'm quoting) people. Trees are a vital part of our world.. must like the differing views of different cultures. MOST humans celebrate our differences (and the "tree"). Trimming back the "branches that threaten your house" seems to be the only "good" thing to do, not killing an entire tree. Kind of a bad analyogy, I'll give you that.. but, the POINT is, the "tree" that you and your criminal friends are going after is an INNOCENT TREE.. Yes, there are "limbs" that are in the way, that are dangerous.. and those should be clipped.. But, you don't get support from the "other trees in your yard" when you walk out and burn (and laugh about it) a sapling that was nowhere near your house. And, using a "tree" as an example is pretty fucked up, Steve. We're talking about KILLING PEOPLE here, not trimming trees.. So, yeah, in -that- context.. we should ONLY be going after the "people responsible".. Though, I -know- you don't support that.. being as how the EVIDENCE points to, at a MINIMUM, lies from your criminal buddies.. You STILL haven't answerd the question of the missing AIR LINER at the Pentagon.. hmm..
"The last time I checked, everyone in the military is there because they enlisted. Their purpose is to serve their country and in turn get incredible government perks for their service."
Spoken like a true spoiled brat that's never been in the military. Funny.. "incredible perks".. which are those? the $12,000 a year salary? the 24 hour duty posts at least once a week in most places? the loss of personal identity? The pension plan? Oh, wait.. you have to be in 20 years for that, then it's 50% of you pay.. which nets you what, $20,000/yr when you get out? and THAT is in danger of being taken away.. Oh, you mean the VA benifits? THAT ARE BEING CUT? You're a real slime. "perks".. idiot.. MOST people in the military (other than officers) are there because they can't find jobs in their communities.. don't want to work at Mc Donalds.. The "free medical and dental" is about the ONLY "perk".. if you call living in a barack a perk, you've never lived in them.. it's not a perk, it's a total pain in the ass. I've been in the military.. it's no perk when you have to take orders from some old fat racist pig who literally has your future and career in his hands. If he doesn't like the way you look, or your accent, or your tone, he can RUIN YOUR CAREER.. it's actually quite easy, I've watched it being done. Hell, had it tried on my.. I was lucky and smart enough to beat the prick at his own game.. and got out of the service before he set me up and had me sent to prison.. and YES, it happens.. not often, but it does.. nice "perk", eh?
"Even Casey Sheehan enlisted twice just to get away from his mother! LOL."
And THIS is what makes you one of the biggest pieces of shit known to humanity. A dead soldier you know NOTHING about.. and you piss on him, his family, and his service... nice.. you've just substantiated the premise that Republicans are selfish cold crass pricks. Good work.
And as has been said 1000s of times. Invading Iraq has NOTHING to do with "our freedoms".. Pissing off the Arab world is NOT a smart thing.. going after the neighbors around Iraq is going to be a HUGE mess. We are going to be short troops.. wich means, if it happens soon, we might be facing a draft (and I hope to hell you get pulled). We took it upon ourselves to "fix the world", and that's a pretty ignorant and arrogant position to take. You can't "fix that sick part of the world" alone. We don't have the resources.. OR the right.. Since you're slow (and a prick, apparently). (1) NO WMDs were found.. no direct threat like Bush claimed (and knew better, but lied anyway). (2) no chem/bio weapons (see #1).. (3) NO TERRORISTS in Iraq, NONE.. and no connection to them .. Saddam wasn't dealing with al Qeada and wasn't dealing with terrorists.. (I know, I know.. your "tree" example.. in all of it's heartless, pointless, ignorant glory). Basically, NO reason to be there, NO "fighting for our freedoms", nothing. Your position seems to rely on a premise of "we need to have all governments around the world be 'democratic', we'll rig the elections since we can cheat better than them.. once we have democratic governments who we'll set up to be secular, we'll run the world with our Christian seat of power!".. Nice plan, but it will fail. Democracy doesn't automatically make people brain-dead.. Consumerism is what has Americans so stupid.. you won't get much of the world under your belt before enough "smart people" here and abroad see exactly what's happening.. and they WILL attack/invade the U.S. to make it stop.. they might do it by .. oh.. I don't know.. calling in their IOUs? taking the land they have LEGAL right to, then using "democracy" to turn it over to their governments? In case you missed it, we're only 7% of the world's population..
Anyway.. You, Steve, are a lost cause. You can't see fact, only spin and distortions.. then try to shove that same ignorance down our throats.. You'll learn sooner or later that we're not gullabile like you.. we can see the truth.. we can see the writing on the wall.. we can see the imperialism erupting in this country, and are smart enough to learn from history. You, like your criminal overlords, will eventually swing from the gallows for your crimes in attempting to move forward your personal agenda/crusade..
Done talking to you .. again.. in another thread.. because you refuse to see any truth..
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 11:20 am PT...
Dredd, timing is everything. MSNBC has been blabbering about Meirs for 4 hours now. Oh, I think they threw in a bit about bush visiting Florida, (which was probably to check out the enclave at Jupiter Island). Certainly killed all the talk about indictments. Typical MSM. 2k was silenced, but that does not surprise me. Little does anymore. M4
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 12:12 pm PT...
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 12:26 pm PT...
"Hmm.. so now you are FINALLY admitting that this is ethnic cleansing.. Congrats.. You PROVE that the terrorists have a VALID REASON to dislike us.. moron. They are JUST as entitled to "their way of life" as we are"
Wow Savanster.....I don't prove anything other than terrorism is sick. I got news for ya Sav, unless you are living under a rock....THE TERRORISTS NEVER LIKED US, they never liked you, and they never will! They dont want to give PEACE A CHANCE with you!
Admit it...you're a secret spy for Osama Bin Laden. It scares the crap out of me, that nobody else understands how statements like this that JUSTIFY slaughtering children, blowing up schools in Russia, and so on. Our military and government are working toward something better. Terrorists react out of fear. They are worthless. People with these minds are rodents who need to be trapped and killed.
Your only talent is your ability to name call on a 3rd grade level SAV. Your arguments are ridiculous, the fact you would actually serve as an apologist and allow leeway - giving terrorists pardon and giving them validity after 3,000 of our people were slaughtered (a number that happened in 1 freaking day, as opposed to the 2,000 Americans killed over a span of 3 years) as a result of the same mindset and democracy hating crowd of people.
Let me get this straight and how RIDICULOUS can this be......you hate me because I am a self employed republican who wants lower taxes, but you want to give pardon to Islamic terrorists who shout Allah Akbar before beheading small children. Muslim fanatics who blow up buildings and fighting for their "freedom".
If you demand that I join the military SAV, then I demand you cross the lines and fight the troops that are supporting the president...join the insurgency and seek your pardon there you unpatriotic peasant.
Where in the hell did you get the stats on the military benefits? What about the college educations that are 100% paid for...you and your "bipartisan-independent" speech there mentioned nothing of that. Do you know ANYBODY in the military?
Interesting you don't deny it being a choice though, which was my main point. Talk about spin!
As far as Casey Sheehan is concerned, it is well known that Cindy never supported any patriotic mission in her life, and it's FACT that he enlisted twice. I never degraded Casey Sheehan, HIS OWN MOTHER did. Used the legacy of her son, when EVERY OTHER member of her family was begging her to stop embarrassing them and shaming Casey's name. The liberal agenda then embraces her to support their nonsense and "independents" like yourself embrace her as well. This is all you can do SAV? SPIN SPIN SPIN...everything you accuse rightwingers of, you master yourself.
"Done talking to you .. again.. in another thread.. because you refuse to see any truth.. "
Good I'm not too fond of conversing with terrorist apologists. You have said this at least 20 times before in your best "talk to the hand" mode, I think you are sick, and need to go back to the drawing board and ask yourself how close these sickos have to really get to you before you wake the hell up. I have tried discussing things with you, and at least 50 times you've come back with long rants of meaningless, misspelled dialogue (in fact the only things you seem to get right are the insults, the namecallings, and the hostile terms to describe me).
But for all of your stupid "done with you" promises, you manage to keep on coming back? Just like that Ann Coulter thing...liberals are convinced that she's nuts, but they spend so much energy breakdancing over every comment that she makes.
Live up to your word please SAV, rant to someone else, and look for people like yourself who are riding the Cindy Sheehan endorsed bandwagon with the rest of the liberals, as you spoonfeed eachother, pat eachother on the back, weep and hug, and sing "give peace a chance".
I guarantee you, it is exactly the way you are behaving that is ensuring that republicans will continue to win election after election after election, and allows the liberals to allege corruption, corruption, and corruption.
I long for the day you find evidence on something that will actually lead to a conviction .
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 12:46 pm PT...
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 1:12 pm PT...
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 1:14 pm PT...
Big Deal BLUEBEAR. A coin collector? LOL..........
Now again, I know out of the same cadre of folks who want to grant pardon to Gitmo detained terrorists who want to slaughter us, truly respect the facts and "respect the rule of law" in terms of white collared "alleged" crimes commited by "only republicans" (I thought Earle prosecuted more Democrats than Republicans LOL) but let's point out that this man is not a direct link to the Bush Administration, does not serve on any major Republican's staff, or is in anyway directly linked to Tom DeLay or George Bush.
Alast the fact that it's still an "indictment"...if you have the ability to pay attention you would have seen the I said "carried out with convictions".
If there is credible evidence, then convict. What point is it you are trying to make?
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 3:27 pm PT...
"The creator of the earth will come back and destroy it by fire someday. "
This is from the first thread above. I would love to get "Paul" and "Steve" together on the same thread. Hee Haw!
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 4:16 pm PT...
SteveF, you're a pathetic excuse for a human being.
Still waiting for you to sign up for the war you so support (from the safety of your home office, coward).
And then you have the temerity to say...
Wow Savanster.....I don't prove anything other than terrorism is sick. I got news for ya Sav, unless you are living under a rock....THE TERRORISTS NEVER LIKED US, they never liked you, and they never will!
And no doubt you're happy to know that you and your failed Bush Administration has increased the number of them worldwide exponetially since their foolish "policy" in the mid-East.
If you actually gave a shit about terrorism, you'd be calling for the immediate impeachment of George W. Bush.
Such as it is, you're a pathetic little boy, unable to conjer up an intellectually honest thought of your own.
Finally, you are unable to keep from contradicting your own sad little thoughts for more than a paragraph at a time. As you just said:
Admit it...you're a secret spy for Osama Bin Laden.
...Moments before saying...
Your only talent is your ability to name call on a 3rd grade level
As to your shitting on someone like Casey Sheehan who wasn't a chickenshit like yourself and actually served his country, and his mother who has the courage to tell the TRUTH outloud in a world filled with braindead hypocrits like yourself...welll, suffice to say you are *truly* testing my patience as far as what I will allow my site to be used for...Your unabashed propoganda is not welcome here. Knock it off, or your comments will be removed from this site, you pathetic, chickenhawk little prick.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 4:24 pm PT...
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 4:25 pm PT...
The U.S. command said two more Army soldiers were killed Wednesday when their convoy hit a roadside bomb in Baghdad. Another U.S. soldier died Wednesday in an ambush 37 miles north of Baghdad, the military said. Four other soldiers were wounded.
The deaths raised the U.S. military death toll to at least 2,004 since the start of the war in 2003, according to an Associated Press count.
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 5:27 pm PT...
Steve F #66 said:
"...this man is not a direct link to the Bush Administration"
I was not implying a "direct" link, however he is being charged with crimes associated with the Bush election campaign. Another example of the caliber of the people assisting or running our government. (And I don't neccessarily mean only Republicans.)
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 8:24 pm PT...
MY FINAL POST ON THE "TRUTH" WEBSITE!
Somehow I associate "truth" with dignity: (must be the religious conservative in me)
My problem is this:
"SteveF, you're a pathetic excuse for a human being." ["truth?"]
"Still waiting for you to sign up for the war you so support (from the safety of your home office, coward)." [to which I answered and debated twice with a counter-argument that you have yet to answer]
"If you actually gave a shit about terrorism, you'd be calling for the immediate impeachment of George W. Bush."
"Such as it is, you're a pathetic little boy, unable to conjer up an intellectually honest thought of your own." [guess I'd be "intellectually" okay if I jumped on your "truth" bandwagon as people like Savanster does - I have brought my own ideas to this discussion and have not been a 100% apologist for Bush]
"braindead hypocrits like yourself"
"you pathetic, chickenhawk little prick."
I find it odd that this is the leader of the "truth" brigade. But in all of my writings, Brad, that seem to be getting on your nerves, never once have I name called to such an elementary level to you or any of your fellow posters on here....and like the Media Matters website, my posts are now at the risk of being censored because my political opinion differs from yours in certain aspects. (I published a post in another blog on here explaining that Media Matters sent me an email asking for support since Bill O'Reilly is attacking them now and how I declined it by sending them an email reminding them of the numerous posts that were pulled that were not profane in anyway, but arguments that refuted their claims of "lies"). Compare everything that was said to me by Sav, and by you, and read everyone of my posts directed to everyone on this website and find for yourself where I was as equally cruel and childish (though your sad attempt has taken the reverse effect on me and made me laugh).
Next you said: "Finally, you are unable to keep from contradicting your own sad little thoughts for more than a paragraph at a time. As you just said:
Admit it...you're a secret spy for Osama Bin Laden.
...Moments before saying...
Your only talent is your ability to name call on a 3rd grade level"
This wasn't a contradiction. I claim that Osama Bin Laden slaughtered thousands of Americans because he is a hateful lunatic, not because he was intelligent. For instance: his reaction to disembowel small children as religious practice is indeed a compulsatory reaction comparable to that of a 3rd grader who punches his buddy in the nose for stealing his lunch money. By the way, other members of Osama's following flew planes into buildings killing themselves....where in the hell do you find "intelligence" above that of a 3rd grade level to being led into such a sheep-like state of mind?
"And no doubt you're happy to know that you and your failed Bush Administration has increased the number of them worldwide exponetially since their foolish "policy" in the mid-East."
This is the part that cracks me up the most: "The Iraq War Miraculously Gives Birth to Islamic Lunatics" (I am sure that is one headline more likely to appear in the New York Times other than Larry Johnson and his Valerie Plame experience, or the credible "secret" poll throwing out drummed up numbers for Iraqis who DON'T support the war in Irag to which I found 0 results on both pieces of "truth") these crazy Arabs always existed Brad. They only come out when they feel like their way of life to oppress the "oppressed as it is" is threatened by granting those same "oppressed" with democracy. Sort of like a rodent approach...put out the food, they come out of their hidden cracks in the mountains, and we kill them. Why doesn't your "truth" embody common sense?
"suffice to say you are *truly* testing my patience as far as what I will allow my site to be used for...Your unabashed propoganda is not welcome here. Knock it off, or your comments will be removed from this site"
Your biased characterization of "unabashed propaganda" is unsubstantiated. How can you characterize it as such, and still react in such a rage? Check back with B.F. Skinner and Pavlov, Brad....People are always "annoyed" when lies are told about them, but people are always "enraged" when the truth is told about them. Think about it.
Your post made it clear....that only those who support your loosely termed use of the word "truth" are allowed to say whatever they want, even if it is derogatory, but the moment someone opposes you, freedom of speech is no longer an issue. So much for that constitution you respect and admire so much.
Your reaction though, makes it clear that your arguments are weak, and silly, and your postings are glamorized propoganda from the left that you assert as "truth". This "fact" makes me confident enough that our President is doing the right thing and that your senseless rambles haven't changed much and will continue to serve in Republicans' best interest when it comes to election day. Thanks Brad, we couldn't have done it without people like you!
After all, how can your party be tough and effective at standing up to terrorism when one of their spokespersons [you] can get so upset over something petty like a little political disagreement, start crying, and engage in a Teret's fit on his own website? .
It was nice conversing with everyone else, good luck to all.
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 9:09 pm PT...
deleted my long post.. it's just not worth it. Steve just can't seem to get his head into reality, at all.. amazing..
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 9:50 pm PT...
That was fun. We should all get together again sometime. :0)
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
said on 10/27/2005 @ 10:57 pm PT...
I suddenly feel lighter....the Light always conquers the darkness.
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
said on 10/28/2005 @ 4:38 pm PT...
Is this an end to the 55,000 word posts?
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]
said on 10/29/2005 @ 7:34 am PT...
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Insurgents used a land mine and a roadside bomb to kill three U.S. Army soldiers and wound four on Saturday in attacks that brought to eight the number of American service members who have died in the last three days. (source AP)
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
said on 10/30/2005 @ 5:23 am PT...
So Steve F #72 is promising to stop dumping garbage here. All who miss it can go to his site (the garbage skow) and rummage thru it there ... where it belongs.
Take note Jeffie and Jimmo and Nit Wit and Bimbo and Skag and Fooly and Jose and Bu$hit.
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
said on 10/31/2005 @ 4:51 pm PT...
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Capping the bloodiest month for American troops since January, the U.S. military reported Monday that seven more U.S. service members were killed _ all victims of increasingly sophisticated bombs that have been become the deadliest weapon in the insurgents' arsenal.
Like I said ongoing endless violence.
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]
said on 11/2/2005 @ 7:32 am PT...
The insurgency is not what Cheney expected. His version of the facts, perhaps a year ago, was that the insurgency was near an end.
And defense (war) department officials originally, before the invasion, said the Iraq war would take 90 days and pay for itself.
Now they can't even contemplate a time when the war will end ... or the costs for that matter.
So you are right, it is "ongoing endless violence". And it really does not make much if any sense.
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
said on 11/2/2005 @ 1:52 pm PT...
It makes me weep for my country. (#6 above)"depends on the size of tree you are standing behind" ??? Here we go again today:
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A suicide bomber detonated a minibus Wednesday in an outdoor market packed with shoppers ahead of a Muslim festival, killing about 20 people and wounding more than 60 in a Shiite town south of Baghdad. Five U.S. troops were killed, two in a helicopter crash west of the capital.
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]
said on 11/2/2005 @ 3:41 pm PT...
Six U.S. troops were killed, two in a helicopter crash west of the capital.
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]
said on 11/2/2005 @ 6:30 pm PT...
News of the death yesterday of Sgt. George Alexander, Jr., from wounds
received in Iraq, has prompted me to prayer. Sgt. Alexander, 34, was a
graduate of Chilton County High and an Alabama native. George had an Alabama boyhood, an Alabama youth, and Alabama dreams. I pray
for his mother, for his family and friends, his church, and all those for
whom his death means not only the ending of his dreams, but the beginning of
their lifetime of grief and loss. Lord, help us to feel some measure of
their pain. Save us from offering cheap consolation or patriotic platitudes
in the face of their loss. Instill in our hard hearts a determination to
work with You for a government in which we shall make peace as quickly and
resourcefully as we make war.
From a weekly message, Bishop Will Willimon, Alabama
COMMENT #84 [Permalink]
said on 11/2/2005 @ 9:48 pm PT...
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]
said on 11/3/2005 @ 10:31 am PT...
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Al-Qaida in Iraq claimed Thursday to have shot down a U.S. attack helicopter that crashed near Ramadi, killing two Marines aboard, and a third serviceman died when his patrol struck a roadside bomb while rushing to their rescue.
Another U.S. soldier was killed Thursday when his vehicle hit a roadside bomb during a combat operation near Baqouba, northeast of Baghdad, the military said.
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
said on 11/3/2005 @ 11:53 am PT...
JACKSON, Miss. - Just as she was trying to rebuild her own life after Hurricane Katrina, Elaine Oneto was told by military officials that her soldier son lost his in Iraq.
1st Lt. Robert C. Oneto-Sikorski, 33, of Bay St. Louis was on a foot patrol Monday near al Haswah, an area west of Baghdad, when he was killed by a roadside bomb, military officials said.
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]
said on 11/5/2005 @ 9:34 am PT...
Elsewhere, a U.S. Army soldier working with Task Force Baghdad was killed by small-arms fire south of the capital on Friday, the military said. Another soldier died the same day when the vehicle in his patrol was hit by a mine near Habaniyah, 50 miles west of Baghdad, the U.S. command said.
Those deaths, plus the soldier killed in the Saturday traffic accident near Talil in southern Iraq, raised to at least 2,045 the number of members of the U.S. military who have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.