READER COMMENTS ON
"We Are 'The Media' Now..."
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 11/3/2005 @ 2:45 pm PT...
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Sam
said on 11/3/2005 @ 2:45 pm PT...
The transition of MSM from leading the nation(world) in providing viable information to the public, to becomming an insignificant recipient to breaking news must be a hard pill to swallow.
A dose of reality never hurt anyone.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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john.doe
said on 11/3/2005 @ 3:05 pm PT...
http://www.usatoday.com/...-china-blocks-blog_x.htm
China reportedly shuts down blog
BEIJING (AP) — Chinese authorities have blocked a pro-democracy Web log after it was nominated for a freedom of expression award by a German radio station, a press freedom group said Thursday.
The blog, titled Wang Yi's Microphone, dealt with "sensitive subjects" and was maintained by a teacher from Sichuan province, Paris-based Reporters Without Borders said in a statement.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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john.doe
said on 11/3/2005 @ 3:05 pm PT...
http://www.usatoday.com/...-china-blocks-blog_x.htm
China reportedly shuts down blog
BEIJING (AP) — Chinese authorities have blocked a pro-democracy Web log after it was nominated for a freedom of expression award by a German radio station, a press freedom group said Thursday.
The blog, titled Wang Yi's Microphone, dealt with "sensitive subjects" and was maintained by a teacher from Sichuan province, Paris-based Reporters Without Borders said in a statement.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/3/2005 @ 3:46 pm PT...
We are the good BLOG ... resistance is futile ... we shall overcome the bad with the good.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 11/3/2005 @ 4:34 pm PT...
I don't think Bill Keller is taken seriously any more, even inside the Times. Nor is Judy Miller.
They'll get rid of Keller, but to do it now would be an obvious admission that they got the whole story wrong on Plamegate (and on Miller's role). The Times is a corporate entity, remember (The New York Times Company). They have stockholders to think about, and (corporate) advertisers.
Keller wouldn't even have his job except for the Jayson Blair affair, which ended Howell Raines' career. It's all about damage control now. If Keller stays on (he won't), expect Jill Abramson and half the editorial staff to walk out.
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Doug Eldritch
said on 11/3/2005 @ 4:54 pm PT...
When you guys stop beating up on Keller, maybe we can put our focus back on Diebold and closing down that bullshit vote stealer once and for all plus its cronies!???
Rove won't be prosecuted in Texas Voter fraud
"Investigators have said not enough evidence exists to show Rove is illegally living in Texas while stationed in Washington D.C."
Kerr County says won't prosecute the Roves for not living in Texas
Interesting ay? IS THERE REALLY NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE? Hmmm....questions for the 6 or 7 squad to mull over? Perhaps someone else should look at the case, to see what the facts bear out?
Diebold's got to go after all, and so does double voting
Doug
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 11/3/2005 @ 5:24 pm PT...
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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The Bulldog Manifesto
said on 11/3/2005 @ 5:52 pm PT...
Unfortunately, democracy exists in America almost exclusively in the blogosphere. As for 'brick and mortar' America, I'm afraid democracy is a rather archaic concept used merely as rhetoric in flowery political speeches.
In reality, most politicians fear democracy. As the guys on the right, they will tell you (in private) that democracy is too dangerous. They love to use the term "mob rule". Apparently, they prefer oligarchal rule and/or fascist rule over so-called "mob rule".
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Steve
said on 11/3/2005 @ 6:10 pm PT...
MMIIXX-
Apparently, the group that produced the report your link refers to is refuting its own report/data. When you go to the site of the report it says:
"November 03, 2005
Dear Fellow American Patriots,
The National Election Data Archive's paper analyzing the Ohio exit poll data has been temporarily withdrawn due to an error in the assumed definition of data given in the ESI report. In other words, NEDA’s Ron Baiman incorrectly assumed that ESI was giving the maximum and minimum of “vote” counts in its table of exit poll data, and ESI was actually giving the maximum and minimum of “exit poll results” if all non-responders to the exit poll in its sample had hypothetically completed the polls. ESI's own analysis of its Ohio exit poll data has been mathematically proven to be invalid.
See http://uscountvotes.org/...esis-illogical.pdf"
I'm sure that will be used by the wingnuts and trolls to try to discredit all legitimate studies and questions regarding potential election fraud.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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BUSHW@CKER
said on 11/3/2005 @ 6:30 pm PT...
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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onyx
said on 11/3/2005 @ 6:51 pm PT...
Steve & Mmiixx -
The USCV paper is on hold until it can be re-edited due to account for a definition of "non-responders" that was different than the definition used in the Ohio data released by ESI. The conclusions may still hold. We'll have to wait and see.
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Rolster
said on 11/3/2005 @ 6:59 pm PT...
No wonder the U.S. wants to maintain control of the internet!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Jimmy
said on 11/3/2005 @ 7:19 pm PT...
Saw this post on a blog earlier. People are grateful for what you do and take notice when you do.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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MMIIXX
said on 11/3/2005 @ 7:25 pm PT...
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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MarkH
said on 11/3/2005 @ 7:57 pm PT...
They have the time to do the report, but not to do it correctly nor to redo the analysis to get it right.
Sheesh, that sounds like one of those Karl Rove tactics to discredit information (remember the CBS Dan Rather report on Bush's Texas Air National Guard 'service').
Maybe the TANG service record and the exit polls are just too much dynamite for the public to be allowed to read.
Somebody's gotta get the information and redo the report. We can't let this linger and leave the wrong impression in the public's mind.
Do we have 6 or 7 people who could handle such a report and it's attendant mathematical analyses?
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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merifour
said on 11/3/2005 @ 8:01 pm PT...
My son gets Rolling Stone, will have to read the article. I am so glad I found all these sites. The blogs are making a difference in my life, learning so much up to the minute info. So China closed down their shop...bushco will attempt it next. We would never be as far along as we are without the net. I am a boomer that believed THE BIG LIE, propaganda was spewed forth by the Communists...lol. I remember not so long ago that what I was reading about...all those conspiracies..were ridiculed. Go bloggers..go. M4
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 11/3/2005 @ 8:04 pm PT...
MarkH:
I've heard they are simply going to edit the report using the new hypothesis ESI had put forward, which was poorly worded to begin with by ESI.
There's a whole team involved and pretty sure Freeman & several other statisticians have it nailed down. I wouldn't worry as it will be re-released via OpEdnews and Newswire fairly shortly using the analysis.
Doug E
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/4/2005 @ 5:26 am PT...
Since we are the media now, we should read up on presidential pardon power.
Here is a link to a site that details it quite well.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/4/2005 @ 5:45 am PT...
Another thing, if we want to be like FOX NEWS (a.k.a faux olds), we will have to start spending big money on Delay like FOX does (link here).
Can you believe how in bed with ("embedded") the neoCons they are?
I mean usually the whore doesn't pay ... but in this case the whore is paying to be screwed!
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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GreyHawk
said on 11/4/2005 @ 6:18 am PT...
Sorry - off-topic (great coverage lately, BTW) - but am dropping this in several spots as I feel it's unique and worthwhile.
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The following essay comes from the blog "DailyKos". The writer, DarkSyde, does a phenomenal job with all his essays - they are clear, well written, and detailed.
The one I'm about to refer you to is especially significant. It's also of vital importance for the health and well-being of women everywhere.
It starts off innocently enough.
Science Friday: Thank Heaven For Little Girls by DarkSyde
Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 05:32:45 AM PDT
They start out as little bits of innocent heaven, so different from little boys, often more refined, controlled, self-disciplined. They become our loyal sisters who defend their siblings with a passion, at times undeserved, big or little. They bloom into young ladies, squealing with delight and full of gossip, sporting horrid make-up jobs the whole way, archetypical maidens.
Then, like a good writer, there's a hint of impending suspense, hidden danger, lurking menace:
Some become our teachers, some become our doctors, some become our
mothers, some become our lovers. They age, more gracefully than men,
and usually outlive the male family members, arriving finally as the
repository of family wisdom; walking, living, memory banks.
So thank heaven for little girls, because little girls grow bigger
everyday. But heaven is worlds away from what some segments of society, both here and abroad, wish to saddle little girls with for the rest of their lives: Hell is more like it.
Shortly, you are introduced to what appears to be an innocent example of women known to the author, who are put upon a pedestal.
Not long after college, round about the time I thought about finally growing up, I chanced to befriend two ladies. I'll call the older one Kaylee and her five-year old daughter Erica. Kaylee was one of those unusual individuals gifted with both prodigious analytical powers and unchained creativity. She was also drop dead gorgeous, an exotic oriental beauty with an elfin face and graceful legs that went on forever. By the time I met the two, they were quite a beautiful pair, mother and daughter. Both with jet black hair, both with the same cute upturned nose, and both with a pair of some of the most magnificent eyes I've ever seen: Imagine flecks of glowing ebony sculpture set in polished mahogany circles, enclosed in a ring of gold embroidery, radiant twin-almonds guarding a renaissance intellect.
The author continues on, not focusing on the two women he introduced but instead on what the future might hold for them as well as their fellow sister-travellers through human society in the world of tomorrow.
What does the future hold for these tiny gals? If the past and present are any guide, that picture looks murky, now troubling.
It's simply a fact: Throughout recorded history and continuing right through to our present era, women have been systematically disenfranchised, abused, degraded, enslaved, disregarded, and finally discarded. That has been the fate of women the world over since "man" first begin making markings in cuneiform tablets of hard clay and probably long, long before.
But this isn't an essay about human rights, equal rights, or civil rights. There's a reason I cited, in my title, that this touches upon a medical topic. And there's a bit of responsibility as well as accountability - and perhaps integrity? - that gets called upon as a lurking, ever-present menace is identified. It's a menace that has staunch defenders among those who consider themselves, incorrectly, guardians of our morality.
To find out more, you'll need to read the diary entry.
And be forewarned - it's touching. You might find yourself dabbing a tear toward the end.
And, most likely, many of the same folks who feel a pang of sympathy will also - hopefully - be moved to both share the entry as well as help take action.
Go read it. And please share your thoughts here afterward.
Thank you.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/4/2005 @ 7:58 am PT...
Greyhawk #21 Please post links not entire articles. Takes up space unnecessarily.
Plus, stay on topic on large text items.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/4/2005 @ 9:07 am PT...
A big story, since we are the media now, should be discussed.
It is the Hamdan v Rumsfeld case. Many may be unaware that Justice O'Connor has written opinions that say the president does not have unlimited power during times of war in other, related cases.
Since then lower courts, which Chief Justice Roberts sat on, ruled otherwise.
The issue is before the Supreme Court again. The law at the moment is, evidently, that the president can create secret prisons, call any american citizen an enemy, and hold them in prison at Gitmo or a secret prison indefinitely, without charges, without counsel, and without access to the courts.
If you think I am kidding, read this. Here is a quote from the link:
"The lower court’s opinion in Hamdan [which Chief Justice Roberts was on] has not been called a 'blank check' to the President in the war on terror without reason. It allows the President to convene extra-Constitutional military tribunals to try detainees in the war on terror and prohibits the detainees from enforcing the protections of the Geneva Conventions in federal court. Moreover, the tribunals are stripped of important procedural protections, allowing, for example, the use secret evidence and unsworn statements. Defendants do not even have the right to be present at their own trials.
It shows why nominee Alito must be asked how he feels about it.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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GreyHawk
said on 11/4/2005 @ 9:08 am PT...
Dredd -
Didn't post the entire article. Also didn't intend to post such a large bit; had tried to go back after previewing when I saw how large it was, but somehow hit "post" instead.
Re: staying on topic - definitely "mega mea culpa" for the digression.
Will comply better in the future.
Can you edit that comment, and just leave the link and a request to check out the article?
As for an on-topic comment: kos just posted a good piece regarding the failure of HR 1606. It's here:
http://www.dailykos.com/...nly/2005/11/4/113235/044
Further info on what makes a good bill regarding Online Freedom of Information (also linked in the kos article above) can be found here.
...how's that?
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/4/2005 @ 9:27 am PT...
Greyhawk #24 ok.
Hey bro, help with the Hamdan v Rumsfeld case will you? If you know Kos and other sites, alert them to the dangers.
This thread points out how we are the media now on important issues.
Roe v Wade is being talked about while the Hamdan case is unknown.
Military lawyers see the danger (link here).
Dictatorial powers are getting closer ... lets spread the news ...
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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GreyHawk
said on 11/4/2005 @ 10:08 am PT...
Dredd #25 - I'll drop a mention onto the open thread over at dKos now.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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GreyHawk
said on 11/4/2005 @ 10:22 am PT...
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Dredd
said on 11/4/2005 @ 10:33 am PT...
Thanks Greyhawk.
I have been following it, and found a military judge who is also very concerned about it (link here).
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Phil
said on 11/4/2005 @ 11:06 am PT...
MSM, like both parties, have cast their lot with Corporate America. The good news is that that opens up a wide field for New Media and for a New Party.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Lemmethink_not
said on 11/4/2005 @ 12:36 pm PT...
I just got to laugh at, Commander Idiot in Chief, on the radio a few minutes ago , he said something to the effect that some people pay to much attention to the polls, sounds like hes getting vewy,vewy worried....silly wabbit.....oh btw whatever station it was reported his rating at a whopping 37% lets see where it plummets to over the next few months probably closer to.... say....ZERO !!!!
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 11/4/2005 @ 4:07 pm PT...
Don't know where to post this HOT off the presses item, but I guess this thread is still active ...
New Wilkerson quote: docs trace prisoner torture to Cheney!
by Loudocracy (at dKos)
Fri Nov 04, 2005 at 11:06:08 AM PDT
Dan Froomkin's got the scoop. Apparently Lawrence Wilkerson was on NPR yesterday and was talking about the abuse of prisoners by US soldiers. He says that there may be documentation tracing the torture policies to Cheney himself. Froomkin says that no other media outlets are pushing the story. This could be big. We've got to help push this into the media ciculation.
details below ... (**at LINK**)
This has slipped under the MSM radar.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/5/2005 @ 2:50 am PT...
Kira #31
Makes sense. However, Rumsfeld was also involved.
Cheney is active in opposing the addendum to a bill in congress (anti-torture) that the president has threateded to veto.
So, even tho it is "traced" to Cheney's office, remember, the president knows everything too, and is advocating for torture by threatening to veto.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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merifour
said on 11/6/2005 @ 11:17 am PT...
Posted my torture comment on a different thread. I hadn't been following this story but perhaps I needed my brain to rest a little before I was directed to do so this morning. We are the evil empire and gosh darn it, why won't the world just get over it!
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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yankhadenuf
said on 11/6/2005 @ 11:41 am PT...
The bloggers knew about the cabal loooong before Wilkerson spoke of his "revelation" to the MSM... all he did was affirm it to the non-blogosphere. We are the MSM, but we also live in the real world> spread the word to your non-cyber family and friends about the PNAC cabal:
http://www.cafepress.com/googlepnac
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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merifour
said on 11/6/2005 @ 1:49 pm PT...
Yank, I live in Scoop Jackson's hometown, it is also my hometown. His staff started the Neocon crap, he was a friggin Hawk in dems clothing. Scoop would be real proud of what is happening in his hometown today and must be smiling from above to see how far his little fledglings have flown. M4