READER COMMENTS ON
"Bush DoJ Appointees Overruled their Own Voting Rights Act Attorneys to Approve Texas Redistricting Plan!"
(26 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 1:38 pm PT...
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 2:02 pm PT...
Peace activists are about to get their heads chopped off. But make sure you people keep fighting for due process rights for them. Lets be nice to them!
P.S. Brad, i wont follow your topics because they are hiding the truth from your readers and ignoring important events that may sway them to the truth and to what matters. Ban if you want to.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 2:39 pm PT...
Why would I ban you Medium Right? I don't ban commenters for being wrong about what they say, I only ban them (after many many warnings) when they violate rules about insulting other commenters, posting disinformation, using different names to post, etc.
Other than that, I have no idea what your comment refers to. I'm fighting for "due process" for our U.S. Constitution, which you may recall as an important document for our democracy. The Bush Administration seems to not care much about it, but I'm sure you'll forgive me if I do.
BTW, that's the sort of thing we're theoretically fighting to spread in Iraq etc. Your President and your Congressmen like DeLay don't seem to be doing a very good job of setting an example of what a real democracy looks like when they do shit like the above. Not sure how you could be supportive of such an undermining of democracy at home while your countrymen are fighting and dying for same abroad.
But your hypocrisy is your Constitutionally protected right. So enjoy it while you still have it!
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 3:01 pm PT...
I'm glad you're covering this.
Is there any possible recourse for something that was put into effect in 2003? Can the dirty deeds be undone? Are these political appointees in the DoJ immune from prosecution?
It is sickening that these folks can transgress the VRA in such brazen fashion.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
A Concerned Citizen
said on 12/2/2005 @ 3:24 pm PT...
This administration just plain body checks anyone getting in their way if it get's to that point. Wrong? Illegal? Not an issue. They sometimes just shut the door and tell you it's secret. But what gets me is.....they get away with it!! Over and over and over again.
Diebold and re-districting stole '04 in plain sight of everyone. I just sooooo hope we aren't sitting here next year this time, talking about the stolen election of '06. Everyone knows it's happening and most everyone (Dem and Rep) are allowing it to continue. Game's over, I hope.
I haven't figured out yet what drives people like Medium Right to still hug Bush, it's mind boggling. You don't need to worry about being banned, Medium, you took care of that yourself. I know to skip your posts from now on and not waste my time. Sorta self-inflicted banning.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 4:08 pm PT...
Catherine A #4
You asked "Is there any possible recourse for something that was put into effect in 2003?"
The only lasting recourse is to have a fair, free, democratic, and truly American election. We have to get back to that. Then there will be great recourse and the neoCons will be history and will be morphed into neoConvicts as they should be.
But there is a possibility that the Supreme Court would reverse the lower court decisions. However the neoCons have appointed one they like and are about to appoint another, which would radically change the Supreme Court and make recourse there unlikely in this case.
Depends on who is on the bench when the case is decided.
You also asked "Can the dirty deeds be undone?"
The old statement that "you can't unring the bell once it has rung" holds true here. All we can do is try to heal the damage. And turn the neoCons into neoConvicts.
You also asked "Are these political appointees in the DoJ immune from prosecution?"
In this case yes. It is not illegal to be stupid, moronic, robots who are sycophants to the neoCons.
You said "It is sickening that these folks can transgress the VRA in such brazen fashion."
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 12/2/2005 @ 4:16 pm PT...
Anarchy is usually defined as disobedience of government laws based on a refusal to accept the government's entitlement to pass and execute those laws.
A new word is needed to describe a government that won't honor its own laws. Maybe we could have a contest to come up with the right word.
My entry: TYRANNARCHY
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 5:31 pm PT...
There's really a very simple answer as to why those like 'Medium Right' continue to "hug Bush". These same people have the same simple mindset as Bush, which says that even if you're wrong, you NEVER admit it. This, in truth, is cowardly at best and treasonous at worst since they, like Bush, support the complete undermining of our Constitution, especially if it stands in the way of the neocons' dream of a Macheavellian/Straussian empire.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 6:25 pm PT...
re: Comment #8
Actually, I'd say it's treasonous at WORSE: treason, by general definition is comprimising or undermining the principles held by your fellow countrymen to be the foundation of your country's strength. You can't undermine a country--because it's just an intangible idea (although, certain perpetrators of environmental--shall we say, "violation"--at present certainly try their absolute best to actually undermine the physical geographical region known as our country...but that's [kind of] another matter). So actually, treason is just a veiled version of your "at best" in that it is cowardly to deny your principles and sacrifice your character and integrity for easy gains...but I say "worse" because you are comprimising more than just your own reputation in most cases where you turn against the standards shared by [most of] your fellow countrymen. But, taken in context, it's just a matter of personal offense--which happens to carry with it violations (IE: the acts that are deemed as "treasonous") that fairly usually also comprimise the physical well-being of those same countrymen...
Which brings me around to what I would say such beligerant(sp?) self-denial/indulgance is "at worst": harmful. Very. To those still on the front lines of a war, having been sent to fight an imaginary monster that some little boy(s) can't bring themselves to admit (much less on such a grand and public scale as admitting "error" and bringing our troops home would certainly be) never existed under the bed...especially not when such monster stories magically grant convenience to so many of their other designs and schemes that they have come up with to perpetuate the monster story to themselves...Dangerous to every American life, at home or abroad. And to the lives of anyone living in any country in the way of the war monsters...possibly even to the entire world and any/all organisms on it, should it be allowed to escalate to that point.
Shit, I'll take "treasonous" over that any day. But then I'm not that easily offended...
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 6:28 pm PT...
HEY! Who the hell is posting with my name????? I'm the only asshole named simply "Jeff" here! Alright commenter number one --- I'm-a-callin' you out, hombre! Gimme back my name you big meaniehead!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 6:39 pm PT...
Bob - "TYRANARCHY", I like it
CatherineA - Not sure what the recourse is for something like this. Trying to figure out if there is any...I'll get back to ya if I can learn anything about it...
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 7:57 pm PT...
Doubt what I am about to write holds much weight if who ever reads this is very active in understand what is going on with our government today. However, I think it could be something to "Chew the Fat" on when it comes to the question, "Why aren't more people speaking out?".
I am one of those "Stay at Home Moms", but I am not a typical one. At least I don't see myself as the stereotype that I have heard discribed. My day is not; get the kids ready, take them to school, clean the house, run errons, pick the kids up, shuttle service for sports evens/what ever the activity, go home cook, and get everyone ready for the next day. I am the mom that gets up reads the blog before I get the kids up, post some information or research information (while listening to the radio via internet), go check to make sure the kids have eating breakfast and are getting ready for school, go back to computer check my mail, read new post on Bradblog, Crooks and Liers, Rawstory, BlackBoxVoting, and post action items in my local grassroots yahoo site, (all the while listening to the radio via internet). I take the kids to school, try to get some things clean around the house, meet with people from grassroots, go to protest, call my representative/write letters, call radio stations to give info I think should get out, pick up kids/have another mother if not close enought to home, get home ask my husband if he can cook, or try to throw something quick and health together, go to community meetings/political meetings, go home make sure kids homework is done/shower/teeth brushed/in bed at a reasonable time, and turn on my radio, read/post on the blogs, sign petitions, and chat once an while in Yahoo political chat (I try to get to bed by 1:00am, but not very good at that one).
I guess what I am trying to say, (really I do have a point! It just takes a few paragraphs), is not very many people like that kind of life. It is hard being a working American. We work more hours of our life than most of the world. Stay at home moms don't usually do what I do, because they would feel bad about neglecting their children (I don't because I have taught mine that they have to take care of themselves at a young age. I am not talk about children under 10yrs). I talked to a women today, at my daughters school, she is a divorced mom and she works, and she says she never has time to find out what is going on with politics. I bet not. The only reason she was at the school today to help is because she took part of the day off without pay. There are some really good people out there! They are just working so much, and so tired when they get home that they have no energy to read or listen to anything but that which they don't have to think about.
Also, I do believe that we put aside the fact that the voting in this country has been messed up for quite a few years, and it is just with the internet and electronic voting machines that more have seem to become aware of the fact.
I just think that if we, I am talking about the people who have this strange drive to put so much time into politics, would just get our networks together. If we would get off the computer once and a while and meet with our neighbors, local action groups, volunteer in our communities more, and help those that don't have the energy by the end of the day. Well maybe we could get more working people to wake up.
Okay, I know. I am an "Idealists". What else can we do? Sit back and wait for the economy to dive, watch as thousand lose their homes, listen to more reports of soldiers dieing, read about more protesters being arrested, watch more business be swallowed by big Conglomerants, and wait for these people to wake up when this all falls in on their heads. This is kind of what happen in the 80's. It wasn't until the middle class was really economically hurting until they started thinking the "Trickle Down" theory felt more like getting "Pissed On". (Don't Go There! I am not talking literally).
What is this (wait I have to count........looks like 5 paragraph long statement) trying to say?
What is we can do as "Pro-Active, Progress, Politically Passionate" to wake our fellow citizens up and see the destruction of a great nation of people?
I need to go fix something for dinner, feed the cats and dogs, put a load of laundry in (needs some clean socks), read one of Brads other storys, and tell my family I love them, but I just thought I would ask that simple question. Maybe when I come back to the computer someone will have the answer.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 9:55 pm PT...
Gal from Cal #12
The answer to your troubles; clone yourself!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 10:25 pm PT...
The only recourse here is to hold full hearings and over-rule these disgraceful decisions by Alberto Gonzales aka Gonzo....
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 10:37 pm PT...
Hey, "GalfromCal"....my only question is: How did you ever make time to conceive kids?
You impress me and make me feel ashamed of myself at the same time. Speaking only for myself, I know I could do more......
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 12/2/2005 @ 11:38 pm PT...
Just putting into words what you did in #12 would be a full day for me! After reading that, I think I'll add a few more cups of coffee to my day.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 12/3/2005 @ 1:05 am PT...
I think GalfromCal has an alter ego who wears the letter "S" on her blouse. "Faster than a speeding blogger," "More powerful than a busy housewife,"
"Able to leap piles of laundry in a single bound."
Lynda Carter is alive and well and still in L.A.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 12/3/2005 @ 1:22 am PT...
Great suggestion about getting away from the computer and helping out a live human being in our own area, like the mother you describe who has no time or energy to find out what's going on.
Building connections with the vast majority of people who aren't politically involved or who lack basic information is crucial if we hope for citizens to wake up on a large scale.
Plus it's the right thing to do, apart from any other agenda.
Thanks for posting the links to relevant radio programs. Your sharing information in this way is effective.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 12/3/2005 @ 1:33 am PT...
Thats a good idea, but can we make sure that Bush can't?
I went throught the pain of only one child and I got my other two via marriage. I call them "My Bonus Kids".
And Hey, what ever we do to get the information out counts!
Now I kinda understand what men are thinking after I read that long "rant" of mine.
Honestly, though, I am passionate. Ask my pour husband. He listens to it everynight. In fact right now he is thanking the Bradblog. It has given relief to his ears.
Robert L. M.,
No, I am reminded everyday that I am human. No superhero here! Otherwise, there would be no starving children, there would be no war, there would be a cure for AIDS, there would be no racist thought (only one race "The Human Race"), there would be a world that all environments thrived, and yes I would be know as not an "Idealist" but a "Realist"!
Just want to say thank you for your comments and thanks for acknowledging my rant. Sometimes you feel like your alone in this world, and something as simple as someone acknowledging your words. It just make me want to fight hard for the those that have yet to be born. (That is if the women have Control of their Medical Discissions). I just had to slip that one in there at the last.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 12/3/2005 @ 1:49 am PT...
Your up as late as me girl!
I promised my husband I would not make this reply long. So here it is in the shortest statement possible for me.
I'm glad you see the importance of connecting with people on a one-to-one bases. After I did precinct walking I learned that one. Many people acted as though I was the first person, that thought like they did, to come to there door. It is an amazing feeling when you meet people that way.
I do think we have to have compassion for all of us that live and try to survive in this world today. Especially the young people. Those people that are ignorant to the Bush policies and this right-wing agenda have been put there for a reason. To keep them ignorant. To much work time in our society, and not enough time for our society.
Finally, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!
Sometimes I get to feeling like a "nag" when I am posting, or calling radio shows. I want so much to use my time getting the information out, and sometimes I think all I am doing is nagging people. Just you taking the time to tell me I gave you information that you appreciated has given me the strength to do more tomorrow!
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 12/3/2005 @ 1:51 am PT...
I forgot something.
I am going to bed.
Good nite and sweet dreams for you when your head hits the pillow.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 12/3/2005 @ 7:29 am PT...
I think about half the country either didn't know or didn't care that the delay grab was even happening - and the half that did know and care couldn't get the news across to the others. Obvously, this kind of bullying hurts everyone in the US. But, how can that point be made effectively? it seems like maybe we all have to be shoved up against the wall before we'll unite to use what we have been given, i.e. the ability and the responsibility to understand the power of the US constitution. our leadership has folded under the seduction of win at all costs mentality. When the group (doj) who are charged with advising the leadership are subverted and ignored, (and the people who are being affected, i.e. the citizens) don't know or care, what's the use in even pretending the system still works? But GalfromCal has the energy and the will and the intelligence to care and to act. If she can do it, so can the rest of us. The delays, the diebolds, and the politicized christian right wing may win again and again. They may, although it angers me to admit it, continue to manipulate us and victimize us. Unless people who supported bush and pals because they thought republicans would truly be honorable and fiscally responsible change their minds and get with the progressives, we'll still be victims in 06.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 12/3/2005 @ 7:55 am PT...
Is it to late to do anything about it? We get all excited thinking this time we get them and then it`s back to busy as usal. I really give Conyers alot of credit for what he does. Keep trying to get to the truth. And trying to get people to open up thier eyes before it`s to latefor America.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 12/3/2005 @ 10:41 am PT...
Our best hope now is for the US Supreme Court to take up one or more of the Texas challenge cases that have been filed on this remapping. It's on the Supreme Court's calendar now to decide either to accept or decline taking at least one of the Texas redistricting cases for review.
We should hear over the next few week whether they turn the cases down or agree to look at it.
Also, we need to draw attention to this corruption.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 12/3/2005 @ 11:37 am PT...
You are most certainly not alone. And the more you keep doing what you are doing, the less alone you will be. Thanks for sharing your story. And mostly, thanks for giving a damn!
Yes, we need more like you...But the good news is, we are getting more like you every day...Cuz of the work that you...and others like you...are doing
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 12/4/2005 @ 7:00 pm PT...
GalfromCal --- you deserve far more credit than you give yourself! not only are you doing the hardest job of all, but you actually take time out to save the country, as well! that's not easy, and you explain why very well. no one should feel bad for not having the time or energy to add activism to their burdens. besides, the highest gift you give to the country are three well-raised, conscientious and caring kids.
by sharing your thoughts and knowledge with others, both online and in the grocery store and with the overworked parents at school --- no matter where you are, the info is still valuable; those folks who don't keep up with the news are hearing important information through you.
the world is changed one person at a time.