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"VIDEO - Chris Mathews on Iraq: 'We're staying there forever'"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 10:50 am PT...
I do not know what would get us out, so I am inclined to agree.
Oil is the blood of the world economy, now that China has chosen to be an oil addict, with a really growing habit.
The neoCon oil barons are blind to the dangers, because they see life (and the world) thru their greed and lust. They project fear.
The moderates who would begin a huge program to get off the addiction to mid-east oil are powerless because it is framed in patriot and traitor terms.
Permanent military bases protecting the flow of oil are mandatory now that we are oil addicts.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 12/10/2005 @ 11:12 am PT...
I hope Matthews is right that Reid's "withdrawals according to progress" recommendation will become our policy. It's a sensible middle ground between "get out now" and "stay forever." Of course, whether it's the right thing to do will always take a back seat to politics in Cesspool, D.C.
Problem for Bush: If this becomes the policy after Reid suggests it, Democrats get credit for ending the Iraq quagmire going into the 2006 elections.
Solution for Bush: Have Karl Rove devise spin to convince people Reid got the idea from the G.O.P.
Something like, "That's been our goal all along."
Problem for Bush: It will have taken three years to implement a policy that could have been put in place when Saddam Hussein was arrested, saving over 2,000 unnecessary American deaths.
Solution for Bush: Have Rove devise spin that highlights Iraq's evolution to a democratic state.
Problem for Bush and Rove: Patrick Fitzgerald.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 11:16 am PT...
We can yap until the cows come home about pulling our troops from Iraq, but the fact of the matter is we are prepping for an expansion of the "war on terror" by attacking Iran and Syria, and then a regime change in Saudi Arabia. All this talk about leaving is just bullshit. It's not going to happen! If we control the world's oil flow, China will remain in place as our producers of Wal Mart merchandise while America socially turns back the clock to the 1890s, when a few of the wealthiest families control the fate of the masses. Wale up, America, before it's too late!
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 11:40 am PT...
You said "If we control the world's oil flow, China will remain in place ... ".
The problem is that the eastern world addicts and the western world addicts are lined up in opposition.
The mentality is, as you say, 1890's. But the reality is that this is nuclear holocaust territory because it is 2005 and counting and the world bristles with nuclear might.
Nuclear might that can easily erase all human life off the planet.
And those in control all have the "god told me to" mentality and they think heaven is waiting if they commit suicide. Suicide for all of us.
This is the lurking danger and the reason we must not retreat inside ourselves and deny that a global disaster is what is ahead unless a mental revolution takes place in both the eastern and western mindset.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 12:42 pm PT...
The only solution to this [oil] problem is to find NEW sources of energy.. that means SCIENCE.. but we all know the fanatics don't think science is good, god will give us what we need.. Today, that's oil, and god is giving us "their" oil.. /sigh
Iraq isn't about Iraqi Freedom, yet most don't get that. Because most don't get that (and don't want to discuss it because it would mean admitting they were wrong, and humility is a tough pill to swallow for most people), we'll not be leaving Iraq soon..
Hell, support is "slowly climbing", in a localized context, because the cost of gas is falling? Um.. it's a situtation that was ARTIFICIALLY created in the first place! and, after watching prices slip down to -barely- under $2/gallon here, now it's back up to $2.10? (for the cheap stuff, mind you.. the stuff that gums up your engine faster and burns less clean). There was -never- a "good reason" to drive oil prices up to record highs.. oh, except all the oil investments our President (and his family) has. BushCo got RICH off the gouging, off the artificially inflated prices.. and they're just going up again now that it's "cold and people have no choice but to use utilities". Na, that's not gouging, right?
This Administration is morally bankrupt, period. Anyone that still supports them are either as bankrupt or entirely too prideful and willing to let human being die rather than admit it's time for a change.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 1:12 pm PT...
My 2 cents....the military will stay until the bases are built. The bases will house the private armies protecting the oil giants. The Iraqi people will never have any infrastucture. Private armies (paid outragous wages by the We the People) will invade any Country that has anything the Corporations want. (their m.o. for years). The ME will become a US terrority. bush will declare he is president for life. China and Russia will join hands and give the U.S. a run for the money (oil). Finally everyone will nuke everyone and we needn't worry about anything anymore. The last 5 years have been nothing compared to what is in store of us. Hang on, we are in for the ultimate ride. M4 (who believes the false prophet (profit) and Anti-Christ are alive and well in the USA and wonders why bush's christian base don't)
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 1:26 pm PT...
The price of heating gas is supposed to go up by 1/2 or more this winter compared to last winter.
I was appalled by the little victory dance the newscasters were doing one day when gas pump prices fell by 1-cent. Yippee.
In the next (and hurried) breath, they gave the bad news about our natural gas prices only to return to the wonderful news about the 1-cent/gal savings and to praise dumbya like the good little shills they are.
Will the rightwingers eventually wake up or will they drown in oblivion like the lemmings they currently are?
From the Center for American Progress (dated August 2004) ~~~
Cost of the Iraq War $177 million per day. The total will soon be half a $TRILLION.
[snip] The Iraq war continues to be a drain on the American taxpayers' pocketbooks. So far, the war has cost the United States $144.4 billion, including $25 billion in the administration's FY05 defense budget signed into law earlier this month.
An additional $60 billion is expected in a supplemental request after the November elections. According to the Defense Department, the cost of containing Saddam Hussein over 12 years was only $30 billion.
While no one disputes the evil and oppressive nature of Saddam Hussein's regime, as the 9/11 Commission made clear in its final report, Iraq was not involved in the planning or execution of the September 11 attacks and did not have a "collaborative operational relationship," according to its final report.
The September 11 attacks necessitated an increase in homeland security funding – the administration's request for the coming fiscal year is $47.5 billion.
However, according to the Center for American Progress, many homeland security priorities are presently under-funded or unfunded – port security, airline cargo screening and community policing programs. [snip] **MORE**
Just how much progress could be made developing a new energy souce if this money had not been stolen and frittered away by this robber baron administration?
I truly despise this rotten bunch of thieves for their immoral and despicable acts of inhumanity.
Murry Xmas dumbya - thanks for the shitload of nothing except more debt, insecurity and death. A lump of coal will be far too good for him this year. Maybe Santa can cough up a big ol' oyster for him instead.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 1:44 pm PT...
I agree that going nuclear could possibly wipe out a good portion of the population of the Mideast, but as the neocons project the future, it will be laying down the law to the remainder of the Muslim world: "Beware, because you could be next!"
I don't think China will interfer because they can fill its oil needs from Russia, Venezuela and other nations in Africa.
Israel is the key to our next move, and I believe it will be an attack on Iran to eliminate the nuclear threat there. The other Mideast countries will then fall into line and a limited peace should prevail, or so the neocons believe.
I hope they are right, otherwise...start digging a bomb shelter.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 2:27 pm PT...
As far as I can see, there are two things here that are relevant to this conversation. First, we are building 14 military bases in Iraq right now (http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040323-enduring-bases.htm). We are not going anywhere. There will always be a US military presence in Iraq to protect Halliburton control over the oil there.
Second, please do not make the mistake that the true cost of gas is around $2 a gallon. This is due to a combination of subsidies and market failure. There is a very good reason why the rest of the world pays so much more for gas than we do. In Europe you would pay between 5-7 dollars/gallon of gas. That is because they are paying for part of the mitigation/cleaning up of the damage done by using the gas.
I study geosciences, and I can tell you that the real story with oil is that we are at or near the peak of oil production worldwide. Most of you here have heard of the "peak oil" concept. If you haven't, I suggest that you google it immediately. Here is a brilliant article about it: http://www.petermaass.co...mp;mag=124&magtype=1
The fact is that this administration has no interest in changing the status quo in terms of hydrocarbon usage. Why would they when they are directly profiting from it? There are quite simple solutions out there. We could cut our dependency on Middle Eastern oil in half in 5 years. First of all, we need to use solar power wherever possible, and geothermal power elsewhere (Bush actually uses this in Crawford right now! see http://www.csmonitor.com...2001/0814/p1s3-uspo.html). These are very simple technologies that virtually anyone could tap into. The only current "problem" with these energy sources is storage. However, vanadium batteries may be one of the answers.
Hydrogen fuel cells are bullshit. This is just a way for the bushies can maintain the status quo. The technology is decades off in terms of making it available to the multitudes. Plus they use platinum in the design, so we will be fighting for resources in South Africa instead of the Middle East. Vanadium is very plentiful and sources are available around the world. Drilling in AK is also a total joke. This is just more pork for Ted (build a bridge on an uninhabited island and name it after me) Stevens. There is very little oil there, and it will not be online for over a decade. We could spend 1/10th the money and get much better results.
Look for BP to get heavily involved in renewable energy sources soon. The other oil companies will jump on the bandwagon or go broke. There are NO new large sources of oil available anywhere in the world (other than in areas--abyssal regions of deep sea, etc.--that will NEVER be economically viable to drill).
You WILL be paying $5/gallon for gas very soon (next summer??!!). Keep that in mind when you think about buying a Hummer or Expedition. It will be kind of funny to see all of those SUV/yachts with their W04 stickers on them being smashed up for scrap--they WILL be worth something as recycled goods being shipped off to China to build more infrastructure to manufacture goods for Wal-Mart.
Note: sorry about messy links--maybe somebody can clean those up?
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 2:46 pm PT...
The fact that the bases built in Iraq by the US were built for PERMANENCY, not for TEMPORARY use, makes it painfully obvious that the neocons have no intention of ever leaving Iraq. EVER.
This is FACT, yet I have heard no one anywhere question Rummy, Cheney, Bush, or anyone as to this 'oddity', if we do, in fact, intend to eventually pull out.
And, by the way, I'll say this again, too: The neocons have no intention of ever giving up the power and the gains they've made to this point.
I'm a veteran of Viet Nam and it occurred to me a long time ago that I might very well lose my life in a war, yet. It will be a war fought on American soil and it will be fought by those passionate about keeping and maintaining our democracy.
If Bush uses bogus "intel" and conveniently declares a "national emergency" before the 2008 elections and convinces his packed Supreme Court of fellow neocons to "suspend" the Constitution, thus declaring martial law.......martial law that only Bush alone can declare an end to, by the way.....I will be prepared to take up arms in defense of my country once again.
Should I end up lying in a bloody mess on on a street in Washington D.C. in an attempt to take back what many hundreds of thousands have bled and died for before me, so be it. I can't think of a better way to go.
A threat? No......a fricking promise.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 3:41 pm PT...
Nail on the head, Owen. You can listen to what they say, but you can see the truth by what they're doing. Kind of like the faux christian talk without the walk.
Thank you John Conley. Let's hope it doesn't come to that, but every day I become more distraught thinking we're headed that direction.
We've got to take back the media:
Art as social dissidence.
From: American Samizdat - Pitchforks and Torches Parade
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 4:47 pm PT...
Iceland uses geothermal. GE bught out the fuel cell industry so there must be something about it that is good for the environment and cost effective. The only way to stop the cabal is with our money. Please don't pay taxes to pay for death and torture. Re. above comments. I have often thought none of the criminals in office acted like they were running for reelection. So we must withhold money now. Taxes, wal mart and all corp. that have a stranglehold on our country. If you aren't rich a Honda CrX is great on gas. They don't make them anymore but the average gas mileage is 48 miles to a gallon. I've gottten over 200,000 miles on several.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 7:03 pm PT...
Oh, and I almost forgot about biodiesel. You can grow algae with enough fat content, and use it to make biodiesel. This is a net zero form of energy because you suck down as much CO2 in photosynthesis as you eventually pump back in oxidizing it. Plus algae will grow anywhere where there is water, salty or fresh.
There is also the intriguing idea of using methane hydrates, but methane is a far more effective greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. So we had better tread carefully while playing with methane...
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 8:47 pm PT...
I think there will be multiple substitutes for pertroleum products, but we should get used to the fact that our consumer-driven way of life will be ending. That's, of course, unthinkable to big oil people and most Americans.
Remember, when we are talking about petroleum products, we're talking about most of what surrounds you whether as plastic or other products from a petroleum-based process of production. (Not to mention transportation.)
Our fate appears at the moment to be in the hands of precisely those who should no longer be involved - primitives who look at resources and people strategically in a tawdry global chess game and have an uncritical, religious belief in the magic of capitalism. Yes, these hardboiled businessmen believe in magic. There is no rational reason to ignore the cliff we have almost reached or to think that in some way self-interest will save the day. Or...maybe we have the 1% who want to save themselves as a class. Or...maybe it's like the loud-mouthed call-in talk show host I heard awhile back. He said he drives an SUV and maybe the "doomsayers" are right and we will be hitting a wall, but, by God, he will drive that SUV right to the end because that's what he wants to do. (As if that justifies it.)
Every community should be developing a local alternative economy and social system. We will be hit hard very soon and we can't rely those unconscious or blindly driven by greed to help us out. We have to develop structures and networks. We must help ourselves, take matters into our hands.
(Personally, I believe there will be some false hopes raised in order to continue the flow of profit. For example, I think there are capped oil wells that will be uncapped when the price of oil gets high enough - $200 a barrel I've heard from a reasonably reliable source. There will be a short spike, but this is only further evidence of the intellectual and moral vacuity of those who can think of nothing but profit from the end of petroleum-based industrial civilization, an end that will necessarily involve much suffering.)
BTW, I had another post ready to go, but can't get it through the "questionable matter" filter. Don't know what that's about, but I got a few of the points down here anyway.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 9:05 pm PT...
I had another post ready to go, but can't get it through the "questionable matter" filter. Don't know what that's about, but I got a few of the points down here anyway.
Let me rephrase that. I do know it's a spam filter. Just don't know what's triggering it.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 12/10/2005 @ 10:50 pm PT...
Excellent points about petroleum products. Don't forget about chemical fertilizers and pesticides as well. Yet another reason to eat organic.
You are also correct that we need to move away from the hydrocarbon based systems that run our world. However, the beauty of biodiesel is that it allows us to use existing technology--it will run in any current diesel engine without any modifications (with a few minor exceptions)--in a relatively green fashion while working on the new technology that will replace it.
The rest of your post is dead on. The funniest thing is that America is the farthest thing from a free market economy because we subsidize virtually everything (including oil). Imagine paying oil companies money for charging us exorbitant prices due to a predictable, manufactured "shortage"! Sounds crazy, but that's our brand of capitalism for you.
Really though, there are things we can do about it. We have to create a stronger market for things like organic food and biodiesel. I always laugh when people say that they can't "afford" to buy organic, because 1) when you consider the known, documented health benefits, you realize you can't afford NOT to eat organics. 2) Don't shop at Whole Foods--it is the Wal Mart of the "health food" industry, except it is also really expensive because not much really pretty organic produce comes from China. Farmers markets are everywhere and cheap. 3) For most people, your produce bill is a VERY SMALL fraction of your monthly food expenses.
We also can create a market for biodiesel. Even Willie Nelson is starting to develop filling stations. If the oil companies see demand and profit potential, they'll be there sooner or later.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 12/11/2005 @ 3:53 am PT...
Just from the posts here, we could be weaned from the oil god in so many years. There are alot of creative ways! The problem, we have a government that is not in agreement!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 12/11/2005 @ 4:28 am PT...
FALSE FLAG TACTICS:
These "Terrorists"...who are they...really?
The news media tells us that they are all Musilm Extremists - Al Qaeda. Are they?
How many of the purported terroist attacks that have grabbed the headlines might actually have been "false Flag operstions?"
I never knew what a false flag attack was until the past three years or so, when I began to do my own research to learn the truth behind the lies we are fed by the infotainment networks who claim to provide "news."
A false flag attack is strategic. The strategy works.
If you can make it appear that your enemy has attacked you (or your closest ally) in some grand and heinous way, it provides justification to strike your enemy (or those you wish to invade).
This is a TACTIC. If you don't know how frequently this tactic has been used, and to what ends, you really need to begin studying how many time false flag operations have been employed, who was behind them, who was warned of the attack in advance, who actually carried out the attack, how they did it, what the media response to the attack was, and what the political and military responses to the false flag attack were.
Many of the "Terrorist Attacks" that you believe were committed by "Muslim Extremists" or Al Qaeda", weren't.
If that statement is true, doesn't that cause you to at least do the research I am recommending here, so as to form your own educated opinion about this entire subject of "Terror" and how it is being used to manipulate the political and military landscape?
Nuclear war is going to break out very soon, and a false flag will be at the heart of it. Can we prevent nuclear war? Do you care enough?
"This campaign designed to prepare the American people to blame Iran for a possible upcoming nuclear terrorist attack fits the description of a Mossad false flag operation, especially because of Israel's numerous, even flagrant recent violations of American nuclear security.
Israel's long record of using terrorism and especially "false flag" terrorism - covert military operations designed to pin blame on an enemy - is extensive and well documented, beginning with the bombing of the Hotel King David by Menachem Begin's Irgun fighters, through the Lavon Affair and recently includes the bust up of a phony al Qaeda cell that was in reality manufactured by the Mossad.
For those still under the illusion that Israel has always been a US ally, please note the USS Liberty Incident , wherein Israeli fighter planes and torpedo boats nearly sunk an unarmed US intelligence vessel in international waters, and also the US Army War College's assesment of the Mossad: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." - Washington Times . Even the US army acknowledges that Israel can and does engineer "false flag" attacks.
Citizens can afford to waste no time informing the President, the Pentagon, Congress, State Officials, FBI Counter Intelligence and the press that we are aware of the intent of this propaganda campaign and are not fooled. Recent Israeli and US efforts to publicly distance themselves from war plans for Iran may be part of a campaign to appear peaceful, such that a terrorist attack falsely blamed on Iran with the full force of the international media will look all the more brutal and undeserved."
Opening your eyes to the coming war against IRAN is not anti-Semitic.
Unless you are eager for a front row seat to Armegeddon, educate yourself, and let your voice be heard:
The Sunday Times December 11, 2005
Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran
ISRAEL’S armed forces have been ordered by Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, to be ready by the end of March for possible strikes on secret uranium enrichment sites in Iran, military sources have revealed.
This is NOT about politics and it is NOT about religion. This is not about bigotry or hate of any ethnic group. This is about saving our planet from the mad men who are hell bent on destroying it.
Get educated and get involved.
Is The Sunday Herald a reputable paper?
What are we to make of this?
Sunday Herald - 02 November 2003
Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ...
Were they part of a massive spy ring which shadowed the 9/11 hijackers and knew that al-Qaeda planned a devastating terrorist attack on the USA?
Neil Mackay investigates...
THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.
Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis – and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.
Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable fact.
It has always been a long-accepted agreement among allies – such as Britain and America or America and Israel – that neither country will jail a “friendly spy” nor shame the allied country for espionage. Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at Boston’s Political Research Associates and an expert in intelligence, says: “It’s a backdoor agreement between allies that says that if one of your spies gets caught and didn’t do too much harm, he goes home. It goes on all the time. The official reason is always visa violation.”
What we are left with, then, is fact sullied by innuendo. Certainly, it seems, Israel was spying within the borders of the United States and it is equally certain that the targets were Islamic extremists probably linked to September 11. But did Israel know in advance that the Twin Towers would be hit and the world plunged into a war without end; a war which would give Israel the power to strike its enemies almost without limit? That’s a conspiracy theory too far, perhaps. But the unpleasant feeling that, in this age of spin and secrets, we do not know the full and unadulterated truth won’t go away. Maybe we can guess, but it’s for the history books to discover and decide.
9/11: did Israel sacrifice the twin towers?
On November 2nd 2003, The Sunday Herald published its investigation into the mystery surrounding the five Israelis seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001, asking whether they were part of a massive spy ring which shadowed the 9/11 hijackers and knew that al-Qaeda planned a devastating terrorist attack on the USA.
The story exploded onto the international agenda, attracting record numbers of visitors to this website and provoking a stormy debate that raged across the world's media. To give readers a flavour of the investigation's impact, listed below is a selection from the hundreds of news organisations, weblogs and newsgroups that responded to an article that woke a world from its slumbers.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 12/11/2005 @ 9:42 am PT...
# 17 - Mugzi - A national project to build a sustainable society would be wonderful. Think of the creativity and sense of purpose it would generate. It would give us a common purpose and would indeed be a national renewal.
My opinion is that we have to generate an alternative ourselves - right now - and show how it is done. (And hope we can avoid the bricks falling from the collapse of irrational, end-of-the-line monolith that constitutes our military/corporate/government complex.) It won't be easy. Already, there are indications that the entrenched powers will try to legislate away community rights. (An example that comes to mind is the attempt to prevent communities from passing "No GM crops" initiatives - legislation that has been passed in some states already.)
Until corporate money is out of politics, fundamental change is a lost cause.
Of course, we have to work on our national and state governments and do what we can to make them responsive to us, but IMO we can develop that sense of purpose and renewal by building an alternative to the oil-based mega-corporate prison and by doing it now.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 12/11/2005 @ 10:29 am PT...
In case any readers are new to some of the exciting things that are happening in regard to a post-petroleum economy, here's a link to the Post Carbon Institute
A partial list of local organizations here
This is a very big deal, folks, and I think everyone should be involved in local efforts to see us through this major transition.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 12/11/2005 @ 10:48 am PT...
About links - for Owen and others. Winter Patriot posted this some time ago. I do this a lot and it is, as WP says, second nature now.
To post a link, you type something that looks kind of like this:
The text in lower-case must be typed exactly as it appears here.
The text in UPPER-CASE must be replaced by the URL you are linking to, and the TEXT you want to display, respectively.
The square brackets ("[" and "]") must be replaced by angle brackets ("").
The remaining punctuation (the equal sign, the quotes, and the slash) must be typed exactly as you see them here.
Here's an example: my blog is at http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com ... and therefore when I want to provide a link to that URL I type something like this:
[a href="http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com"]my blog[/a]
I have used square brackets here so you can see what's happening. If I change them to angle brackets, it comes out like this:
Then use the "Preview" button to see that they work.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 12/11/2005 @ 12:30 pm PT...
Also re: Arry #21 --- The Community Assistant that Torqued built is working again. Make links easily --- click on the CLICK HERE link just above the comment text box (where you type in your comment.) It will open a new window and you will be able to generate a link in a couple of steps.
If anybody needs help with it, say so and I'll try to find a link to threads where we have provided detailed instructions.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 12/11/2005 @ 12:47 pm PT...
Back to the energy topic:
I know from the '60s I saw newscasts about new inventions ... synthetic oil for the car that lasted for years and cars that go a hundred or more miles on a gallon of gas. Other brilliant inventors with equally brilliant plans for alternative energy have been bought off or silenced through the years.
I recently saw Alan Alda showing a car that runs on compressed air. That's about as clean as you can get.
Here's a link you might find interesting:
The Disclosure Project
OSEN makes cannon-ball splash opening with release of disclosure testimonial videos
Earth-shattering never-before-seen video testimonials released for the first time, featuring seven energy inventors. Affidavit witnesses urge an end to suppression of new energy technologies that could eliminate our suicidal dependence on fossil fuel.
by Sterling D. Allan, Executive News Editor
Open Source Energy Network
(Permission granted to use this story as a press release)
VANCOUVER, B.C., CANADA --- In launching its website today, after several months of incubation, the Open Source Energy Network (OSEN.org) is making its debut splash by releasing never-before-seen video testimonials from seven leading alternative energy inventors.
These professional videos were prepared by the Disclosure Project, headed by Dr. Steven Greer, and were underwritten with sizeable funds for high-quality production. They were prepared to serve as testimony that will stand up in court. They document the fact, both that there are viable new energy technologies which could rid us of our dependence on polluting fossil fuels, and that there have been active efforts in suppressing these. Explosively, these videos reveal names and tactics of this Luddite resistance against scientific progress.
This power-packed series includes testimony from Tom Bearden; Thomas Vallone, Paul Czysz, Hal Puthoff, David Hamilton, Ted Loder, Paul LaViolette, several of whom hold PhDs, and all of whom are held in high esteem by their peers in the field of clean energy. Each video is between 45 minutes and an hour in length. (Some of the videos, such as Tom Bearden's, can be viewed at a higher speed to shorten online time, while remaining easy to understand.) **MORE**
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 12/11/2005 @ 1:58 pm PT...
The last I heard about the disclosure project or anything associated with it was around May of 2001, and they were talking about aliens and UFO technology. Is that what they're all about? Otherwise, I'm less susceptible to OSEN if that's still the cut of their jib.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 12/11/2005 @ 3:31 pm PT...
I received this link from a friend a couple of months ago and have listened to some of the videos at the site. I don't know anything about the UFO angle and doing a [really quick] Google didn't come up with anything.
I admit I haven't completely researched OSEN.
I do know the suppression/silencing of great alternate energy inventions is the norm in our good ol' USA.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 12/11/2005 @ 3:46 pm PT...
I ran across this page:
New Energy Congress
The New Energy Congress is an association for the purpose of reviewing the most promising claims to up-and-coming clean, renewable, affordable, reliable energy technologies, in order to come up with a weighted list of recommendations of the best technologies.
While the preliminary discussions will be mostly private, the results of those deliberations will be made public, to the extent possible (some technologies are semi-proprietary). This page is an index page for this process, both for planning the deliberations as well as for posting the results.
Latest • Members • Committees • Action • Tasks • Technologies to Review • Technology Review Criteria • Technology Review Protocol • Bylaws (rd) • IT Blueprint • Reports
I'm running back and forth trying to prepare my dinner for tonight, so haven't carefully looked at this page, but it looks promising at first glance.
Thanks for providing any additional info regarding this. /k
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 12/11/2005 @ 4:18 pm PT...
All of the UFO stuff can be found at http://www.disclosureproject.org/
This was all started by a guy who left his profession as a medical doctor over a decade ago to pursue his cause. Seemed like a well-intentioned guy with no overt agenda outside of bringing light to a dark subject. I haven't read anything about it in years, but maybe it warrants another look. But probably not.
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said on 12/12/2005 @ 5:49 am PT...
I hope it does not come to that. We have a grave crisis in the realm of energy without the neoCons using the "nuclear" option of martial law.
Americans will do much better in the energy crisis that faces the world over peak oil (link here, and here) as free people.
If they stage a takeover and order martial law and take our freedoms, which they sorely want and are preparing for in the Pentagon, Americans will not be able to put full focus on solving the problem as an enslaved people. We have been free so long that we would focus on fighting them rather than fighting the energy crisis.