READER COMMENTS ON
"Diebold and Florida Scramble to Cover Their Collective Asses..."
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 3:33 pm PT...
:) Nice job! once again, in the forefront of the news.
in case you're interested, gall is spelled gall and not gaul. sorry, i couldn't resist. i was a former english major (that's where all my capital letters went).
what about that letter from wall st. telling everyone to sell short? what the heck does that mean?
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 3:42 pm PT...
Your missing a headline story about the iraq vote.
Why are you ignoring such an important historic event?
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 3:44 pm PT...
Also, conjures is the preferred spelling, not congers (a conger is an eel.) But good job on the sleuthing! Thanks for bringing this out into the open.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 3:51 pm PT...
Thanks for the spell corrects I shall fire my usual editor (as soon as I hire one!)
Ricky - I know you're interested in democracy in Iraq, however, you might get off the Wingnut Dream Machine long enough to realize that without democracy in the good old U.S. of A. you will have nothing. I'm sure you'll pardon me, and other patriots who recognize the importance of putting America first. Even if you don't.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 12/15/2005 @ 4:01 pm PT...
Brad: I edited five books for Reader's Digest between 2001 and 2004. I've also authored five books, all of which I edited myself.
I'm available, cheap.
Your=belonging to you
Their=belonging to them
There=at that place
Were=past tense of "are"
If anyone cares.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 4:07 pm PT...
Thanks RLM, always get the who and whom mixed up..lol.
To the people so interested in the democracy in Iraq, they can have ours, since we aren't using it anymore. M4
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
George Walker Bullshit
said on 12/15/2005 @ 4:13 pm PT...
Democracy in Iraq!!! I'm full of shi'ite!!!
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 4:33 pm PT...
Without honest elections our nation cannot continue to exist. Why can't we have a choice of paper or e voting then a major discrepancy would be obvious?
I heard that Bush-Cheney won the Iraqi election and weren't even on the touch screen. Imagine that.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 5:15 pm PT...
I smell fire....not smoke!!!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 6:02 pm PT...
Two more cents worth along the preceeding lines. If the election in the good old USofA is so incredibly flawed and manipulated as we all understand it to be.....
Is there any chance that the elections in Iraq are anything other than a sham and a farce of the highest order, with no one around to even remotely dig into the voting machines, intimidation and fraud that is foisted upon those pitiful folks.
No, it's got to be right in the "homeplace for democracy" or allllll the rest of the election scenes on the planet are fools play.. Yep, Bush and Cheney won in Iraq too.
Go get 'em Brad!!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 6:22 pm PT...
Yes, bush and cheney did win in Iraq, of course, why wouldn't they....M4(slapping herself on the side of the head)
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
Judge of Judges
said on 12/15/2005 @ 6:25 pm PT...
" " " #10
Do we really need instant e?ection results. r
Less Time Less FRaud ?
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 8:00 pm PT...
The 51-49 election results reminds me of the movie The Matrix II. In that one Neo meets with the Architect who invented the matrix (matrices actually). He tells Neo how they created a perfect system, but humans rebelled. They were naturally confused, but then devised a slightly imperfect system and the humans took to it quite well except for one anomaly --- all the Neos, one per cycle. Neo was supposed to be the 6th or 7th (no punning here).
Well, in US elections they told us for a long time the country was evenly divided and then had an election (in 2000) where the Supreme Court decided it. Then they told us the nation was divided and we saw a whole lotta 'battleground states' shift from election night (2004) exit polling advantages for Kerry to a slight advantage for Bush in the final numbers.
Will Americans be satisfied with a matrix-like slight imperfection or will they actually care enough to perfect the system a bit by getting rid of DieBoldly and all the other electronic 'voting' systems?
I guess it all depends upon whether they're comfortable with all the Agent Smiths running their lives. Didya ever notice there's no littering or graffiti in the Matrix? Except for the buxom blonde in red it's like the black & white Pleasantville.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 8:10 pm PT...
Great work, Brad!
Words of intrigue in the article from the Miami Herald article attributed to Sanchez as follows:
"Diebold isn't the only one to blame for hacker-prone equipment. The Florida secretary of state's office should have caught these problems early on, he said, and the Legislature should scrap a law severely restricting recounts on touch-screen machines and equip them with the means of producing a paper trail."
Does Florida already have the other democracy-destroying laws already, that Ohio is passing this week? And, does anyone know if there are other states which already have enacted these laws?
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 8:19 pm PT...
"Sancho" not "Sanchez" in #14. Sorry!
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 8:46 pm PT...
"Needs to discuss them with Diebold", what the hell is that?, now I may be a little bit cynical, but to me , that should send off alarm bells all over our government, of course, unless they already know about the problem, ( which I think they already do)
As far as purple fingers go, thats a sham too
Beautiful job, Brad
(clerical errors aside, as a brought up inner city kid, your writing looks great to me)
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 8:55 pm PT...
Sorry, I forgot about the load of fake ballots they found coming over from Iran yesterday
Then the MSM was saying some towns were running out
of official ballots
The first thing I thought was why don't they just use the ones they confiscated coming from Iran?, their probably just as good as the ones their using now
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 9:04 pm PT...
When I read all of this my mind goes to the doco I saw of rove on election night of '04. When watching the results with bushco and things weren't going well he immediately ran to a room set up in the WH full of commuters and began to work furiously. What was he doing. Making sure georgie got his votes one way or nuther? M4
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 9:08 pm PT...
I see the Iraqi's were voting with paper ballots. We could learn a few things. So it takes a few weeks. Better an undisputed few weeks that a quick result that is questionable. If it can't be recounted independently and since machines can be easily programed to flip votes. DUMP THEM especially they ones run by a company with secret code that was dedicated per their owner to deliver results for Bush.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 9:11 pm PT...
M4, were all them commuters out of work?
how did they get in the White House?
We know thats what happened with Rove, don't we
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 12/15/2005 @ 9:17 pm PT...
#20 Yep! Every single one of em, all Americans too...lol. Who or whom they were, I can't say, just a bunch of unemployed commuters. M4
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 12/16/2005 @ 4:47 am PT...
For some excellent reading on the subject, check out Steal This Vote by Andrew Gumbel. A good history of voter fraud in the US from pre-Civil War to 2004 elections. I'm just up to the chapter about Ohio's role in the last presidential elections, now. m
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 12/16/2005 @ 6:32 am PT...
EVERYONE should be against these machines. Republicans are HYPOCRITES, if they start being against the machines when the Democrat operatives start hacking into them.
If you're "for" these machines, shut your trap when the hacking starts going AGAINST your party.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 12/16/2005 @ 6:34 am PT...
I don't give a SHIT about IRAQ voting. I'm concerned about how OUR COUNTRY'S voting is corrupt. Fuck Iraq!!!
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 12/16/2005 @ 7:00 am PT...
Brad - re: Stull, Stull & Brody --
The way class action suits work is one firm files it, then a pack of
jackals lawyers from other class action firms jump in and announce they're seeking plaintiffs. Soon you have a dozen or more firms beating the bushes for plaintiffs.
Then they meet and the firms that have gathered the most plaintiffs (or sometimes the most dollar volume in plaintiffs) get lead position in a combined suit. Sometimes a very experienced firm located in a state with particularly advantageous laws is given the lead position.
The plaintiffs rarely make much money, but class action law firms make a ton of money.
If the original firm filing the suit handles it well, manages the negotiations skillfully when the cases are combined, this could actually take Diebold down altogether.
I think that is unlikely, however. They'll make some moves to distance themselves from their elections division --- not necessarily sell it, since it might be difficult to put on the market, but there are other ways to handle semi-divestiture of a rogue company, bringing it back into the fold after a third party has cleaned it up.
No matter. If this thing goes into discovery all hell will break loose.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 12/16/2005 @ 7:14 am PT...
Diebold's source code was published on boingboing.net shortly before the 04 election
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
Judge of Judges
said on 12/16/2005 @ 8:08 am PT...
Remember: HOWARD STERN
Today Free Radio Died.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 12/16/2005 @ 9:31 am PT...
For Big Dan: Right you are. Front-page headlines in today's New York Times about a "historic" moment for Iraq...they're supposedly voting on issues pertaining to their own self-determination, but the process is controlled by the United States. Chew on that for a while.
The same New York Times gave us banner headlines for two days about election fraud in the Ukraine. But it won't even mention election fraud here, so afraid to touch the subject that it avoids coverage of a class-action suit against a Fortune 500 company, Diebold, and the simultaneous resignation of its C.E.O.
There's one thing to hope for. If Iraq reaches full critical mass of freedom, maybe they'll be so enamored of democracy that they'll send election monitors to cover our pwn 2006 and 2008 elections.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 12/16/2005 @ 10:37 am PT...
The question I have is how many of these machines were actually used in the voting process?
I'm from Leon County, and I voted the old fashioned way, you know fill in the bubble. Still didn't help...
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 12/16/2005 @ 11:31 am PT...
COMMENT #2 [link]
...Ricky said on 12/15/2005 @ 3:42pm PT...
"Your missing a headline story about the iraq vote.
Why are you ignoring such an important historic event? "
Ricky: Is OUR MSM ignoring a headline,
"DIEBOLD VOTING MACHINE EASILY AND UNTRACEABLY HACKED INTO DURING CONTROLLED EXPERIMENT".
Does this upset everyone? I want to know if our Congress & president are alarmed, or if they even know about this. Are you telling me, this isn't alarming? Is there ANYTHING more alarming?
No...I do not care about the Iraq vote. But I'm sure that if they're hacking into the U.S. vote, then I'm 100% sure they're hacking into the Iraq vote.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 12/16/2005 @ 11:32 am PT...
Why aren't reporters asking the president these questions, during Q & A? Don't they feel this is important?
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 12/16/2005 @ 1:53 pm PT...
You are in error about Leon County, Fl scrambling
to get rid of punch card machines. I am from Leon
County and we have used optitical scan voting
machines for the past 10 to 12 years. In fact our
machines were the error free during the 2000
robbery by Bush and his henchmen.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 12/16/2005 @ 10:55 pm PT...
Jim - Apologies if I was in error there. I will try to look into it. An article I read re: the settlement that Leon County made with the NAACP in 2002 concerning disenfranchisement issues in 2000 referred to punch cards in the county. So I need to look deeper to find out if *all* precincts used punch cards, some or none (as you suggest) in Leon Cty in '00
Thanks for the feedback and my apologies if I was in error there...I'll try to find out for sure.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
Yank Had Enuf
said on 12/19/2005 @ 3:57 pm PT...
#2 Stop deluding yourself> they are voting so that Bushco will end his occupation. They actually believe Bushco will leave permanently if they vote ! (Yeah right, I guess Iraquis never saw the PNAC website > most Americans haven't either!)
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 12/29/2005 @ 11:54 am PT...
Brad, you're wrong about Leon county, it isn't one of those problem counties. It has never had punch-card or touch-screen voting machines.
In the early 1990s Leon switched from lever voting machines (which were not manufactured since the 1940s, and getting worn out) to Diebold optical-scan machines (which are easy to tamper with, but you can detect and correct the tampering by manually auditing the paper ballots).
Leon county's Diebold machines have not been tampered with in an actual election, because Sancho is one of the very few county election officials who always do a manual audit of paper ballots immediately after every election.
In 2005 Diebold tried to force Leon county to buy unauditable touch-screen voting machines. Sancho didn't trust Diebold so he brought in a hacker who tested a Diebold optical-scan machine. The hacker proved that Diebold was lying about security, so Sancho dumped Diebold completely.
Ironically Leon county's 2006 election will be less secure than past elections, even though it will be conducted with better equipment. This is because the Jeb Bush administration has passed a law which makes it illegal to conduct the kind of manual audits which have protected Leon county's voters in the past.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
grandpa stole bets
said on 2/9/2006 @ 9:49 am PT...
Jesus Christ is a false god.
At best all Christians can hope for is partial credit.
Program on the emergence of civilization.
"14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. "
They point out Africansí failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it's applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.
The roots of racism are not of this earth.
Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.
The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.
AIDS in Africa.
Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:
1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as "god"
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere
4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
5. Romans - The seamless transition between Cleopatra and Julius Ceasar may be a clue alluding to a partnership.
6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.
Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.
Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying "He has more money than god." There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says "I'm too old and rich for this."
This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.
20 cent/hour Chinese labor, 50 cents for material.
An $80 sweater costs less than a dollar; tribute kicked upstairs vindicates the creative accounting.
I don't want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe. But these individuals become wealthy exploiting those they hurt.
They have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won't help people. They say only good (favored) would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.
The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial.
I offer an example of historical proportions:::
People point to Walmart and cry "anti-union".
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family's problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.
Unions serve to empower.
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an environment where there are fewer hurdles.
Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people's belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins. They all do it. Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise. So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.
The middle class is being deceived. They are being misled into the disfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.
The coining of the term "Uncle Sam" was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton's WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.
They desire a system based on duality:::good and evil. They seek to set up a system of two participants, assign them polar opposites, and give people clues alluding to their affiliation:::
Coke and Pepsi
BestBuy and CircutCity
Energizer and Duracell
Republican and Democrat
The list goes on and on:::
AMD and Intel
Apple and Microsoft (?)
Lowes and HomeDepot
Sam'sClub and Costco
WellsFargo and BofA. For the longest time in CA these two banks reigned supreme.
Pier1 and CostPlus
Borders and Barnes&Noble
PetCo and PetSmart
The truth is decisions are made on each individual based on family history and individual charecter and they either push them with AI or, in this age, tell them to buy from good or evil corporations, depending on the decison, then use that business relationship as positioning to justiy their decision.
Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects. Italy sent its criminals, malcontents.
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they decided who they didn't want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects. It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries. As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren't their real names. I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.
Royalty is the correct way to organize a society. Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient's hierarchical organization.
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is. Democracy misleads people. This is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path. And it's why the US earns its way out of disfavor by inflicting democracy upon the disfavored::Iraq and Vietnam.
Jesus Christ is a false god. All Christians can recieve is partial credit, at best.
The Catholic Church in the tretcherous 20th century teaches of a begnign, forgiving god when quite the opposite is true.
And now they do it to disfavored people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.
The seperatist churches formed because many conciencious thrones wanted their people to earn more than the paltry credit offered via worship through the Catholic Church. But because they were white the throne required worship to stay within Christianity.
Simpson's foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. "It's always the one you least suspect."
"You'll see lots of nuns where you're going:::hell." St. Wigham, Helloween VI:::missionary work, destroying cultures.
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.
The advent of the modern Christmas was a brilliant move. It created a vested interest among those who would prefer the Church be destroyed::::
As goes the Catholic Church so goes the majority of annual retail sales.
The similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence.
Jews maim the body formed in the image of "god", and inflicted circumcision upon all other white people.
I think about how Jews were used to create homosexuality among Slavics, supposedly retribution for the Holocaust.
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
If it is their sinister motives thatís behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor.
For their suffering the Jew leaders were granted the right to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite by imposing a false god upon white people, a recurring aspect of the elite's methodology.
Jews were ostracised for a reason.
There are consequences for the peasant's resistance:::
1. Labor unrest caused the world at war.
2. Black militancy ignited the crack epidemic and gang-related deaths.
3. Women's rights/sexual freedom produced Roe v Wade and women's exclusion from contention for Planet Immortality. But on the bright side peasants don't go. Money is one way of indicating favor, and if you're not wealthy you don't have favor, so don't sweat it::you weren't going anyways. They're leading a lot of people on.
Retribution for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the Korean War got the disfavored United States into this socially depraved environment in the latter 20th century because the disfavored attacked an antient, revered peoples. Our continued presence keeps us in trouble.
When the disfavored americans attack the wrong people again, as they suggested they will, in Korea or elsewhere, they will pay dearly.
All peoples are ranked in terms of favor and disfavor. And when the disfavored abuse those with favor there is hell to pay.
All the groups mentioned throughout are necessary to justify the will of the managing species. They conceive a strategy, devise a plan yet need a way to implement it, and without these groups the managing species would be exposed in the course of execution. So, based upon their rank they are assigned goals to accomplish and are rewarded with favors.
I question if we would even experience global warming if they didn't terraform in an attempt to destroy disfavored human life on planet earth::::they terraform the weather as they did in New Orleans with Hurricane Katrina (and lots of other examples) and justify it with behavior like instructing their petroleum friends to repress alternative technologies.
This is all happening shortly after the Exodus of 2000 (clues::Hong Kong, Panama Canal) for a reason::: they are INFLICTING it upon us, they are hastening closure. Everybody they care about has come up, replaced by clones.
Just as favored European peoples got out before the ugliness of WWII, the semi-favored within the US got out before 9/11.
Armeggedon isnít about the end of the world. Armeggedon is about the death of the disfavored left behind. And they werenít lying::this time it is going to happen with fire.