Perhaps it’s a step up from “dissidents” as the AP once called them, but Election Transparency Advocates who turned out today at Arizona’s Sec. of State Jan Brewer’s speech to announce her re-election bid were labeled “anarchists” and “conspiracy theorists” by the woman who recently approved Diebold’s flawed “AccuVote” touch-screen voting machines for use in virtually every precinct in the state.
During her speech today, according to the Arizona Star, “which boasted of the state getting rid of the last punch card ballots as part of her accomplishments since being elected in 2002 but one that never mentioned the Diebold contract” the Republican official in charge of ensuring free, fair and accurate elections in the state was repeatedly interrupted by advocates for transparent election who objected to the use of Diebold’s failed machinery in the state.
Diebold’s election equipment was recently shown to be hackable in a mock election test in Leon County, Florida, where the final results were completely flipped by computer security specialists. Over the summer, 20% of the same AccuVote touch-screen systems that Brewer approved on Friday, were found to have failed during a massive mock election test in California.
According to the Star, Brewer apparently dismissed the adamant concerns of the very voters she is (theoretically) in charge of serving:
“I don’t think there is a problem with the Diebold equipment,” she said. Brewer said a committee investigated the bids and the machines passed on the guidelines.
“I think that there are a lot of conspiracy theorists out there that are trying to blow this completely, totally out of proportion,” she said.
In December of 2004, while members of several political parties had joined in challenging the results of Ohio’s disastrously run Presidential Election, the Associated Press referred to those challengers who dared seek transparency in an utterly gamed election as “dissidents” which prompted one dubious American to reportedly ask at the time, “Great! So now we’re dissidents?! What’s next — ‘insurgents’?!”
No. Apparently “what’s next” is that those who wish transparency and oversight and accountability in American democratic elections are now “anarchists.” At least according to Arizona’s shameful — and hopefully out-going — Secretary of State, Jan Brewer.
A useful thought for those considering running for the office of Secretary of State around the country: “It’s the voters, stupid.”
…CONTACT…
AZ SoS Email Contact Page: http://www.azsos.gov/info/contact_us.htm
AZ SoS Office: 602-542-4285
Campaign Website: JanBrewer.com
Campaign Email: info@janbrewer.com
Campaign Office: 602-439-3425
UPDATE 1/8/05: Brad was on Air America Phoenix today to discuss, amongst other things, the incident above on the M&M Show. The hosts, Fred and Steve McChesney, were amongst the “anarchists” and “conspiracy” — and later called “brownshirts”! — who made poor Jan Brewer’s life so difficult. Audio available here.
John Brakey at AUDITAZ warned me about Brewer a long time ago. He’s been working overtime for over a year to clean up Arizona, and deserves our plaudits and support.
Don’t much matter to me what that butch says
I wouldn’t vote for a puke if you shoved one up my ass
and threw in a million bucks to boot
Oops, sorry I blew up
OK by me Florida – The arrogance of these people is beyond belief!
Of course she’s not ‘outgoing’. She just purchased Diebold’s crap, you think they’re not going to try and return the favor? Any Democratic hackers in Arizona??
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Looks like its time to go to war in Arizona….
Bev: I liked your suggestion regarding the verified paper bill. If enough people truly boycott their products and surround the elections office in Wisconsin, I believe they will disclose the source code. That is my thoughts on the VVPB situation. We’ve already seen other states crack and WI has got to turn it over too.
For ‘Hypocrisy and his minions, a repeat of what I said
On the contrary. Just because Reid reccomended him doesn’t make it okay whatsoever. Lenhard is another huge insider crony and it was a disaster like every other recess appointment he’s done.
What you’re saying regarding everyone does it doesn’t wash here. We don’t care about Clinton, and I sure don’t and all his recess appointments are over with.
We don’t care about Reid unless he’s out there closing down congress and starting impeachment proceedings. His actions lately have done nothing.
We don’t CARE if they all get taken down and I personally hope they do, because Abramoff is now telling all.
What we care about is real elections and these are more bullshit actions by Bush and his minions to OBSTRUCT real elections. Look at the writing on the wall, who got Lenhard in there? It wasn’t Reid or any of the weaklings in the Senate. It was Bush’s advisors.
Doug E.
It was brought to my attention today that certain demonstrators misrepresented themselves as Black Box Voting (we sent no one to this, BBV doesn’t organize demonstrations or send people to them). The individuals reportedly cursed at a person and spat at someone.
Now, I think it goes without saying (if this report is true, and I have someone wanting to interview me about it) — if voting activists are to participate in demonstrations, this type of demeanor reduces hard-won credibility.
If this kind of misbehavior happened, I am concerned that something Black Box Voting predicted a year ago might be happening: When you want to discredit a movement, just hire some idiots, tell them to identify themselves as whatever activism groups you want to discredit, and pay them to act like jerks.
This is a heads up for Brad and anyone else out there: Be aware that this kind of disinformation tactic may take place. Obviously no one should claim they represent any organization — Velvet Revolution, Black Box Voting, or anything else — without explicit authorization first.
But more likely is the disinformation tactic, using plants to claim to be from an organization.
We all know we are making major headway now. I have heard from a little birdie that another knockout blow may land shortly. The closer we get to achieving real citizen oversight, the more we’ll see resistance, including disinformation.
Take care,
Bev Harris
Black Box Voting
Doug: I don’t recall making a suggestion about a verified paper bill. Can you point me to a link where you saw this?
Bev: It was you mentioning Diebold’s paper bill is no good just to clear up confusion, the thread on Wisconsin.
Also I was reading your comments in the section where we were discussing vote-by mail too about it.
It is very discouraging that corporate operatives are being paid to impersonate BBV now in real life or at message boards. Hopefully people can video of these disruprots to weed out who is who, and where they are.
We are getting close to something big I can tell, but its going to take pushing through just a little harder.
Doug E.
This Sec of State is an Anarchists,, Using Christ to advance herself..An anitchist, some time, will come as a so call christian. The Bible says there are many antichists in the world, and they will come as an angel of light. To have an open vote is truthfulness. Jesus is the truth, the
way, and the life. THe Bible says, "let us do things in decent, and in order". Decence is truthfulness.. Chirst is truthful and decent. There are a lot of false teachers, and believers in the republican party..Many will say LORD, LORD in the end time. The LORD, will say, I dont even know you…
So, Jan Brewer is at least an idiot, and at most complicit in vote fraud. That’s what her statements tell me. She’s not someone you want in a position of state power. Notice, she’s a Republican. She should’ve said, "Let them eat cake." Someone ought to investigate Republican Secretaries of State around the U.S., especially in Ohio. Notice all these voting shennanigans are occurring in states with Republican Secretaries of State??? She’s saying the Republican motto to dissent: "SHUT-UP"…like Bill O’Reilly.
Bev #8 – If you recall a group from AZ was involved in destroying Dem. voter registrations in NV. The group was run by Sproul and Assoc. of Phoenix. I wonder if they sponsored some hooligans to show-up and make a scene to make us look bad and Brewer to get sympathy?
They’re going to be sorry for fighting us in the end, the sleeping giant of voting reform has awakened. We will end these machines for good in Arizona.
I can’t believe any voters want these machines, its only for selected cronies may apply from both parties.
Doug E.
Flood her with e-mails on her website:
So we are anarchists for wanting safe and secure elections? Here in Snohomish County, WA, and in many other places around the US, electronic voting machines are being rejected because they have proven to be vulnerable to hacking and other forms of manipulation. This is not conspiracy theory. This is fact.
The only reason that someone in your position could be so blind to the obvious flaws inherent in electronic voting (and in particular companies as partisan as Diebold) is that you know that these machines can and will be manipulated. This is not democracy. The general public on both sides of the political aisle are aware of these dangers, yet politicians like yourself continue to ignore common sense in favor of fascism.
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything." – Josef Stalin
The Republicans have clearly turned (in this and other recent instances) to trying to discredit the valid elections movement (and the general anti-Bush movement) by sort of infiltrating with people who act badly and say stupid things. I don’t know how to fight these folks except to behave well and use all peaceful legal means to fight the anti-Democracy Bushites.
Bev is right that we should never misrepresent ourselves as part of some organization without explicit authorization.
And, we are, after all, about the Rule of Law and upholding it, so there’s no good reason for any of us to spit, cuss or otherwise behave badly. Leave that to the Republicans.
Yell if you must, but only to be heard, not to be disruptive and destructive.
Hey, when they resort to this kind of thing it must mean they’re feeling a little desperate because we’re making inroads (what with the Abramoff thing and all). They’re naturally going to be very sensitive and feisty. So, go gently, but persistently.
For Bev Harris, Doug E. et al: To repeat, the person to contact in Arizona is John Brakey of AUDITAZ. He’s been doing terrific work and has already faced Jan Brewer down several times. No doubt he’s one of those "anarchists" she talks about.
I sent Ms. Brewer an e-mail in which I detailed the events of a single week in December, when Diebold’s C.E.O. resigned under fire, when two class-action suits were filed against the company for misstatements dating back to Oct. 22, 2003, and when a test was held in Florida proving that a Diebold machines could be hacked easily. I got an immediate computerized response thanking me for my e-mail, but reminding me of how busy Jan was campaigning and as secretary of state..and please send a contribution to her campaign in the meantime.
When I send my email tomorrow Robert, I guarantee I’ll get a live response.
These people are not going to play around with our democracy, even brewer herself is going to understand just how easy it is to lose her seat.
Not from voters, from these machines.
The facts are Diebold is loyal to only some notion of people; ie lobbyists. These lobbyists are almost exclusively neocons and propagandaists.
They will use the fraudulent software to elect whoever they want and screw everybody, for as long as they want, since they’ve been doing it for years. THEREFORE, THE CLEAR FACT NEEDING TO BE KNOWN HERE IS: DIEBOLD IS A COMPANY USING BANNED DYNAMIC INTERPRETED CODE.
Any machines, or any company caught with this outrageous circulation of code is a threat to ALL democracy. As is their partner Sequoia if its playing with the same code.
Diebold pays over 100,000 in lobbyist fees?
What are they doing buying free advertising? Or paying workers like Robert Diekmann to steal the votes? The vendors have control over the machines since they know the machines.
Would you trust a man with your car-keys especially if you left the car completely unlocked and told everyone else he was just going to park it like a good "valey"?
WOULD YOU????? THATS WHAT THE USA DOES, IF THEY USE ANY OF THESE MACHINES WHICH HOLD BANNED CODE…..Here we come Arizona
Doug E
Arizona citizens need to bombard their officials (including SOS) with letters and e-mails rejecting her plan. We can, but it has more impact from those who cast votes. We all know, that the neocons can’t win fair and square, so they must resort to cheating, and posing as BBV to discredit the good work they do. That is so transparent!!!
I just thought of something. Maybe BBV needs to wear badges or some sort of discernable ID, so they can be identified from impostors. Colors can be changed from event to event, so impostors will never know.
For Doug E. and everyone: Today’s New York Times
carried an article (on an inside page) about a new bill from John McCain and Joe Lieberman, designed to curtail lobbyists. The article referenced Jack Abramoff’s guilty pleas as the stimulus. Believe it or not, Bill Frist is quoted in the article as a reform advocate.
No specific companies were mentioned in the article, let alone Diebold’s lobbying efforts or how the company has corrupted our election process. Reading the article, one might infer that corruption in Washington is like an infectious disease that arrived by pandemic…a kind of natural disaster like a tsunami or hurricane that everyone on Capitol Hill wants to fix, not a self-inflicted wound caused by greed and cynicism.
Bob Bennett isn’t my favorite person, but he made a key point on Chris Matthews’ show last night. When Matthews suggested that Congress has ethics rules and fails to enforce them, Bennett said, "It’s worse than that. They’re a joke."
At least the Abramoff pleas have put the fear of God into these clowns. Too bad our political system leaves it to corrupt foxes to repair the henhouse.
John – I agree with you exactly, didn’t realize that Sproul was from Arizona though. I’ve already been putting feelers out to see if we can find out who was behind it.
John Brakey, AUDITAZ, is one approach.
I favor the approach of Tom Ryan, Arizona Citizens for Fair Elections. His is an evidence-gathering approach. Great work with that group on gathering public records, and on voting machine issues. His group took AZ sec. state Jan Brewer to court recently.
Dan Gutenkauf and his brother filed a lawsuit against Maricopa County way back in 1997, over the right to view the tallying (same issue that is cropping up in Los Angeles, San Diego and Riverside Counties in CA). That lawsuit was dismissed but also appears to have caused the county to improve its policies.
There are many approaches — demonstrating, investigating, documenting, organizing, communicating, publicizing, examining computers, examining contracts, monitoring the voting, monitoring the counting. The point is, do what you like to do, so you’ll CONTINUE to do it, because elections can only work properly with ongoing citizen oversight.
I’ve heard we’ll "solve this and then we can all go home."
The truth is, we can never again cede oversight to elections officials, scientists, legislators, voting rights groups, public officials or anyone else.
News flash for Jan. 6 2006: YOU are "We the People."
Bev Harris
Black Box Voting
"There is only one force in the nation that can be depended upon to keep the government pure and the governors honest, and that is the people themselves. They alone, if well informed, are capable of preventing the corruption of power, and of restoring the nation to its rightful course if it should go astray. "
— Thomas Jefferson
Anarchists don’t vote nor care about the charade, get your slurs straight.
RLM #22
I saw that response of Bob Bennett too. The corruption, crime, fascism, and dark side mentality and spirit of the administration and its minions in congress is utterly astounding.
It is like it is all a video game to them. The armed forces are now asking video gaming entities to build a war in space simulator (link here).
The game the neoCon admin is playing is to deceive the American body politic. To lie to them so much they will become accustomed to it. They want it to get so bad that truth or the facts is never an issue … the way to get around it is to say "the other side did it too". Sick.
If they can make game machines that are sophisticated enough to train space cadets on, why can’t they admit that election voting machines can be made tamper proof enough to be used? All it takes is the will to do it.
OT:
A big part of the problem with the Abramoff "lobbying" scandal is that people will naturally think it’s a typical lobbying scandal, with money being given for particular legislative action and that’s all. But, Abramoff is about the many different ways the Republicans are finding money sources and funneling it into their political campaigns and to other purposes. For example, Abramoff apparently worked at one point for Tyco and received a lot of money from them; much of which went into political campaigns. Abramoff found the indian tribe source and diverted it into politician’s pockets AND perhaps to Israelis building West Bank settlements. This is much more complicated and far-flung than a simple lobbying scandal.
The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy isn’t simple. It’s like a spider’s web with octopus tentacles. It’s complicated like the Enron financial entities and it might even extend to the 9/11 scandal.
Don’t let anyone tell you the Abramoff scandal is just payoffs for legislation. That would be like someone saying the problem with the electronic voting machines that they were just new and untested.
I just emailed Jan Brewer. My email is below. Gosh, I hope I wasn’t too bitchy…. /snark/
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Ms. Brewer:
I am so disgusted with your decision to approve the Diebold machines for our voting apparatus. After all the proof, from Florida to California, that these machines are NOT trustworthy, completely un-secure and easily "hackable" you still opted to approve them. It makes me wonder why you hate America so?
I truly don’t understand why you (and the rest of your "group") are so afraid to let Americans exercise their Constitutional Right to voice themselves thru the act of voting and having their vote COUNT! To know that you are trying to play a "game" of politics by manipulation, coersion, smear, and CHEATING is absolutely disgusting.
I truly don’t understand how you can sleep soundly. My guess is that you self-medicate; otherwise, how can you quiet your conscience?
As the Secretary of State, you have an obligation to ENSURE that the voters have their opportunity to vote and to have their vote counted accurately. By authorizing these machines at the last second (how slimy and sneeky are you?) you have violated your duty to me and the rest of Arizona’s citizens.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Obviously, you can make certain that my vote will not be going to you. Unless, of course, you can hack it to be so.
Standing in judgement of you,
XXXXXX
Chandler, AZ
Ms. Brewer:
I am so disgusted with your decision to approve the Diebold machines for our voting apparatus. After all the proof, from Florida to California, that these machines are NOT trustworthy, completely un-secure and easily "hackable" you still opted to approve them. It makes me wonder why you hate America so?
I truly don’t understand why you (and the rest of your "group") are so afraid to let Americans exercise their Constitutional Right to voice themselves thru the act of voting and having their vote COUNT! To know that you are trying to play a "game" of politics by manipulation, coersion, smear, and CHEATING is absolutely disgusting.
I truly don’t understand how you can sleep soundly. My guess is that you self-medicate; otherwise, how can you quiet your conscience?
As the Secretary of State, you have an obligation to ENSURE that the voters have their opportunity to vote and to have their vote counted accurately. By authorizing these machines at the last second (how slimy and sneeky are you?) you have violated your duty to me and the rest of Arizona’s citizens.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Obviously, you can make certain that my vote will not be going to you. Unless, of course, you can hack it to be so.
Standing in judgement of you,
Amy Milbauer
Chandler, AZ
#28 = woops…?
As Ms. Harris indicates in (#8), keep aware – you are being noticed,and are going to be considered a threat. Those you are fighting are treacherous, and will not play fair. They haven’t, up to now, so they’re not likely to start.
If it gets on the MSM that BBV thugs were terrorizing such an event, then that’s the impression most will have of BBV. And it is so easy to orchestrate.
Get rid of the Diebolds or you can kiss your country goodbye
In the 60’s more than once we had to run disrupters out of our protests.
Although they may have been plants, it seemed more that they were there to cause disruption for the sake of disruption only.
Today things are sure different!
Like e-mailing Brewer is going to do ANYTHING. Get with the program, guys. The US is an occupied territory right now.
None of these neocons gives a RAT’S ASS what the people want.
Case in point: Bush slapped around for cronyism even in the mainstream media post-Katrina. Does this faze him AT ALL? Make him change his tactics AT ALL? No. Just look at the latest round of appointments.
The neocons continue their takeover. The problem is: we play by the rules. The neocons do not. I’m becoming increasingly convinced that our only way out is a (non-Velvet) Revolution. Because we sure as hell can’t vote these scumbags out. And we own the UN’s ass, so they sure as hell aren’t going to come into the US to overthrow the neocons.
We are in big, big trouble.
In the meantime…
Click here to ask Barbara Boxer to lead the fight for fair elections!
Jim,
I’m all behind Barbara Boxer, in fact I was one of the first to sign your petition. I send these pricks e-mails to let them know that they are pricks and that we’re onto them and that they had best watch their asses. It’s somewhat cathartic, that’s all. No harm done and it helps me to clear my head – it’s one of those visceral needs of mine.
No offense, Soul. I do that same thing. It’s just frustrating, that’s all, that the Dems are just refusing to get pugilistic.
MSNBC’s online poll yesterday had 199,000 people, 82% of whom said IMPEACH. (I found this link off michaelmoore.com.) So when are the Dems going to step up?
By the way, it would be very, very wrong to take a plant mister or any spray bottle filled with a water, salt and sugar solution to the polls and spray the Diebold machines through the vents. That would be a criminal act of vandalism, and it would cause the machines to seize up, forcing the precincts to revert to paper ballots. I do not recommend anyone do this, as this is evil and not the best way to advance our cause.
So why is there no Democratic candidate running against Jan Brewer for Arizona Secretary of State?
Have you ever heard of Core Wars? It was a classic computer game where each player would write a little program, and then the little programs would hack each other.
Jan Brewer wants to wipe out Arizona’s democracy and replace it with a giant game of Core Wars, where the little program that "wins" gets to appoint every public official from Dogcatcher to Governor. Sounds like anarchy to me.
I would say this means that JAN BREWER IS AN ANARCHIST.
Everything you ever wanted to know about Nathan Sproul here:
http://www.desertratdemocrat.co..._karl_r_1.html
Actually this is one thing I want to know that isn’t there. What ever happened to the charges against Sproul for voter fraud in Oregon?
…jIMcIRILE
By the way, it would be very, very wrong to take a plant mister or any spray bottle filled with a water, salt and sugar solution to the polls and spray the Diebold machines through the vents. That would be a criminal act of vandalism, and it would cause the machines to seize up, forcing the precincts to revert to paper ballots. I do not recommend anyone do this, as this is evil and not the best way to advance our cause.
Careful guy …
A BBQ lighter uses something called piezoelectricity to generate a nice spark that lights the grill. "Piezo," in Greek, means "pressure," and you find piezoelectric materials in a number of different places.
And they FRY the guts out of most electronics if you are silly enough to "arc" it to a touch screen for instance and you won’t get Electrocuted ,even though you will be dumping THOUSANDS OF VOLTS through the Circuitry …don’t try this at home
The above posting is for educational purposes only and is in no way suggested or condoned by the writer.
frick’en NSA.
from Jan Brewer Press release on Jan 4:
"Prohibit a voter verifiable paper receipt generated by an electronic vote tabulating machine from being used in a recount unless a court determines it would be “impracticable” to conduct the recount in the same manner as the initial tabulation."
http://azsos.gov/releases/2006/...srelease01.htm
…Zelph said on 1/7/2006 @ 12:19am PT…
"So why is there no Democratic candidate running against Jan Brewer for Arizona Secretary of State?"
The Democratic candidate is Bruce Wheeler – former Representative and former Tucson City-Councilman. http://brucewheeler2006.com/
Jan will likely be challenged in the Republican SOS primary by former Phoenix Mayor Skip Rimsza.
And, Ernest Hancock, Libertarian who produces a show on the local Air America affiliate, is also running for Secretary of State and is concerned about e-voting. http://www.ernesthancock.com/ht...ote_fraud.html
Dan,
Arizona Citizens for Election Reform
now with links
from Jan Brewer Press release on Jan 4:
"Prohibit a voter verifiable paper receipt generated by an electronic vote tabulating machine from being used in a recount unless a court determines it would be “impracticable” to conduct the recount in the same manner as the initial tabulation."
…Zelph said on 1/7/2006 @ 12:19am PT…
"So why is there no Democratic candidate running against Jan Brewer for Arizona Secretary of State?"
The Democratic candidate is Bruce Wheeler – former Representative and former Tucson City-Councilman.
brucewheeler2006.com
Jan will likely be challenged in the Republican SOS primary by former Phoenix Mayor Skip Rimsza.
And, Ernest Hancock, Libertarian who produces a show on the local Air America affiliate, is also running for Secretary of State and is concerned about e-voting.
view website
Dan,
Arizona Citizens for Election Reform
aceronline.org
Looks like Jan Brewer has at least listened to complaints:
Update from Secretary of Arizona’s Website
That means that a verified paper trail will be used although, there is still alot to work out regarding recount laws and the Diebold situation.
Doug E.
Hardly Doug. Note the link you post was from 1/4 and her Brewer’s speech was on 1/5.
More notably, see this provision from her "plan":
Prohibit a voter verifiable paper receipt generated by an electronic vote tabulating machine from being used in a recount unless a court determines it would be “impracticable” to conduct the recount in the same manner as the initial tabulation.
In other words, even if a "paper receipt" is used on these shitty Diebold machines, Brewer would like to make sure they won’t even be used in the case of a recount! Unless someone can convince a court first that they should be used! Amazing…
I was at the Brewer re-election announcement and can tell you that none of the Diebold protesters I saw (and there were fewer than a dozen of us) ever represented that they were from BBV. However, the young republicans were milling about trying to get us to say what ‘group’ we were with, but no luck because we were all just individuals!
Here’s an account of what happened from my birds-eye view – less than 20′ behind the speaker’s podium and then "in the zone", free-speech zone, that is!
Elected Officials Agitate Diebold Protest in AZ
My kids and I have participated in many anti-war rallies in Phoenix and even an anti-Bush rally when he came to stump for Sen. Jon Kyl. We have been videotaped by the Phoenix PD under the guise of ‘training tapes’ even though all of the rallies have been non-violent.
Well, last Thursday I witnessed a hint of where protests can go when agitators get involved. It was a re-election announcement for our Secy. of State, Jan Brewer (more info about her below).
I got there just after 11am and joined 8-10 guys already there protesting with big signs. One protester just in front of me had a battery operated bullhorn, small enough to fit in the palm of his hand. He was chanting, "all we want is all the votes counted". Within minutes, State Senator Robert Blendu, R-Dist.12 forced his way in front of the man and began pushing him backward. When the man said (fairly calmly), "stop pushing me", the Senator turned around and said, "how’d you like to be charged with pushing a State Senator".
At that point, Tom Horne, AZ Dept. of ED Chief, joined in the pushing of two of the protesters. Another protester had a video camera and went up behind Blendu with camera pointed at him and asked his name. The man with the camera was jostled around. By then, it was a minor ruckus and the police began separating the two groups. They put up the yellow police tape and told us that we had to stand behind it because as a group we didn’t have a permit to protest.
Being just a bit younger than the Vietnam generation, it never dawned on me that agitators might come in the form of elected officials wearing suits standing on the front lawn of the State Capitol building.
Fred McChesney, one of our local Air America talk show hosts, was not at all pleased with the free-speech zone, and demanded to see whatever permit was executed on behalf of the Secretary of State to find out if anyone was excluded from the event. About 15 minutes later, he came back with permit in hand showing that NOBODY was excluded from the event. Even so, the police made us stay behind the tape – maybe for our own safety?
In the meantime, the Brewer people got what they needed: the protesters in a "free-speech zone" while she was facing the TV cameras.
Afterwards, the young republicans were milling about trying to find out what group we were with. None of us knew any of the others, and we weren’t with any "group". I can only surmise that they were looking for the name of a "group" to exclude from future meetings. Unfortunately the only group we could all be considered a part of is that of tax-paying American citizens. Fair enough that they would want to exclude US!!
And Tom Horne, AZ Superintendent of Public Education, confronted McChesney and called him a facist! When McChesney asked him just how he defined a facist, Horne replied, "someone who won’t let others speak." Well, isnt’ that the pot calling the kettle black? Horne agreed to be on McChesney’s show this weekend, so if you want to hear the face-off, just tune in to 1010KXXT.com on the web.
That ‘ole Constitution, it’s just a ‘damn piece of paper’ anyway!
BTW, for those not familiar with Jan Brewer, she’s the AZ Secy. of State. Last Friday, she signed an $11M order for the same Diebold voting machines that were in use in FL and CA and OH in ’04. The same ones that just failed a very simple hack test performed by Harri Hursti and reported by blackboxvoting.org in late December. $11M in taxpayer dollars and voting integrity seem like two pretty big reasons for taxpayers to be out protesting, don’t you think?
Just a bit more about Jan. Did I say she also served as the vice-chairman of the AZ Bush/Cheney ’04 campaign? Sounds eerily familiar, like Ken Blackwell in OH – guaranteeing that he’d "deliver" OH for Bush in ’04! I guess she’s getting a head-start in delivering AZ to the republicans (can you say McCain?) in ’08!!
Ciao!
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BTW, the ‘Brownshirts’ slur from the M&M Show on Saturday is even worse than being called a facist, in my opinion.
Do you think McCain will get the Repug nomination in ’08? This torture thing may have sunk his ship. He’s not playing the BushCheney game.
Bev, I have to ask… Why are you calling for elections to be boycotted? Gee… That *REALLY* did the job in Iran, didn’t it? Wisconsin is a key state the GOP is targeting this year, and you tell people that if they boycott the election that Diebold *MIGHT* release the source code? All I see a Wisconsin boycott doing is electing Republicans – who, by the way, will protect Diebold.
Although I disapprove of those possible moles using your organization’s name in their protest, I must say that some of what you say about "credibility" seems strange coming from someone I can easily sue for Libel – but haven’t. I was just thinking, that based on the experiences many others have had with you, that you might have pissed someone or a group of people off so much they chose to make you look bad at that protest [and keep in mind, I disapprove of their tactic]. Maybe you’d care to elaborate to the people here why you are permbanned from DU [before you call me names and paint yourself as Ms. Congeniality].
You have made many enemies, on both sides, and although I personally support the movement to get verifiable elections, I don’t have to like a malicious liar such as yourself.
To those who wish to discredit Bev in the manner she described, please stop, it discredits us all, not just her. If you are one of the many this witch has libelled, take it up with the courts – I’m still tempted.
You know, I didn’t have the heart to even show a mutual friend of Brad and mine where you Libelled him too when you did, and that friend, Bev, is a big supporter of your efforts – a BIG supporter.
Anyhow, Bev, I doubt if you can figure out who I am, after all, you have made MANY enemies with your "I don’t work and play well with others" modus operandi.
As someone plainly, openly, and irrefutably wrongly Libelled by you, I will say this to the others you have pissed off in the movement: There are better ways of dealing with people like Bev that don’t discredit the movement.
And, Bev, please don’t be so quick to accuse the GOP of planting people that would like to see you go down. You’ve pissed off a lot of people on our side too with your Libel, name-calling, and other behaviour.
Bev, I have to ask… Why are you calling for elections to be boycotted? Gee… That *REALLY* did the job in Iran, didn’t it? Wisconsin is a key state the GOP is targeting this year, and you tell people that if they boycott the election that Diebold *MIGHT* release the source code? All I see a Wisconsin boycott doing is electing Republicans – who, by the way, will protect Diebold.
Although I disapprove of those possible moles using your organization’s name in their protest, I must say that some of what you say about "credibility" seems strange coming from someone I can easily sue for Libel – but haven’t. I was just thinking, that based on the experiences many others have had with you, that you might have pissed someone or a group of people off so much they chose to make you look bad at that protest [and keep in mind, I disapprove of their tactic]. Maybe you’d care to elaborate to the people here why you are permbanned from DU [before you call me names and paint yourself as Ms. Congeniality].
You have made many enemies, on both sides, and although I personally support the movement to get verifiable elections, I don’t have to like a malicious liar such as yourself.
To those who wish to discredit Bev in the manner she described, please stop, it discredits us all, not just her. If you are one of the many this witch has libelled, take it up with the courts – I’m still tempted.
You know, I didn’t have the heart to even show a mutual friend of Brad and mine where you Libelled him too when you did, and that friend, Bev, is a big supporter of your efforts – a BIG supporter.
Anyhow, Bev, I doubt if you can figure out who I am, after all, you have made MANY enemies with your "I don’t work and play well with others" modus operandi.
As someone plainly, openly, and irrefutably wrongly Libelled by you, I will say this to the others you have pissed off in the movement: There are better ways of dealing with people like Bev that don’t discredit the movement.
And, Bev, please don’t be so quick to accuse the GOP of planting people that would like to see you go down. You’ve pissed off a lot of people on our side too with your Libel, name-calling, and other behaviour.
Bev, I have to ask… Why are you calling for elections to be boycotted? Gee… That *REALLY* did the job in Iran, didn’t it? Wisconsin is a key state the GOP is targeting this year, and you tell people that if they boycott the election that Diebold *MIGHT* release the source code? All I see a Wisconsin boycott doing is electing Republicans – who, by the way, will protect Diebold.
Although I disapprove of those possible moles using your organization’s name in their protest, I must say that some of what you say about "credibility" seems strange coming from someone I can easily sue for Libel – but haven’t. I was just thinking, that based on the experiences many others have had with you, that you might have pissed someone or a group of people off so much they chose to make you look bad at that protest [and keep in mind, I disapprove of their tactic]. Maybe you’d care to elaborate to the people here why you are permbanned from DU [before you call me names and paint yourself as Ms. Congeniality].
You have made many enemies, on both sides, and although I personally support the movement to get verifiable elections, I don’t have to like a malicious liar such as yourself.
To those who wish to discredit Bev in the manner she described, please stop, it discredits us all, not just her. If you are one of the many this witch has libelled, take it up with the courts – I’m still tempted.
You know, I didn’t have the heart to even show a mutual friend of Brad and mine where you Libelled him too when you did, and that friend, Bev, is a big supporter of your efforts – a BIG supporter.
Anyhow, Bev, I doubt if you can figure out who I am, after all, you have made MANY enemies with your "I don’t work and play well with others" modus operandi.
As someone plainly, openly, and irrefutably wrongly Libelled by you, I will say this to the others you have pissed off in the movement: There are better ways of dealing with people like Bev that don’t discredit the movement.
And, Bev, please don’t be so quick to accuse the GOP of planting people that would like to see you go down. You’ve pissed off a lot of people on our side too with your Libel, name-calling, and other behaviour.
Bev, I have to ask… Why are you calling for elections to be boycotted? Gee… That *REALLY* did the job in Iran, didn’t it? Wisconsin is a key state the GOP is targeting this year, and you tell people that if they boycott the election that Diebold *MIGHT* release the source code? All I see a Wisconsin boycott doing is electing Republicans – who, by the way, will protect Diebold.
Although I disapprove of those possible moles using your organization’s name in their protest, I must say that some of what you say about "credibility" seems strange coming from someone I can easily sue for Libel – but haven’t. I was just thinking, that based on the experiences many others have had with you, that you might have pissed someone or a group of people off so much they chose to make you look bad at that protest [and keep in mind, I disapprove of their tactic]. Maybe you’d care to elaborate to the people here why you are permbanned from DU [before you call me names and paint yourself as Ms. Congeniality].
You have made many enemies, on both sides, and although I personally support the movement to get verifiable elections, I don’t have to like a malicious liar such as yourself.
To those who wish to discredit Bev in the manner she described, please stop, it discredits us all, not just her. If you are one of the many this witch has libelled, take it up with the courts – I’m still tempted.
You know, I didn’t have the heart to even show a mutual friend of Brad and mine where you Libelled him too when you did, and that friend, Bev, is a big supporter of your efforts – a BIG supporter.
Anyhow, Bev, I doubt if you can figure out who I am, after all, you have made MANY enemies with your "I don’t work and play well with others" modus operandi.
As someone plainly, openly, and irrefutably wrongly Libelled by you, I will say this to the others you have pissed off in the movement: There are better ways of dealing with people like Bev that don’t discredit the movement.
And, Bev, please don’t be so quick to accuse the GOP of planting people that would like to see you go down. You’ve pissed off a lot of people on our side too with your Libel, name-calling, and other behaviour.
Bev, I have to ask… Why are you calling for elections to be boycotted? Gee… That *REALLY* did the job in Iran, didn’t it? Wisconsin is a key state the GOP is targeting this year, and you tell people that if they boycott the election that Diebold *MIGHT* release the source code? All I see a Wisconsin boycott doing is electing Republicans – who, by the way, will protect Diebold.
Although I disapprove of those possible moles using your organization’s name in their protest, I must say that some of what you say about "credibility" seems strange coming from someone I can easily sue for Libel – but haven’t. I was just thinking, that based on the experiences many others have had with you, that you might have pissed someone or a group of people off so much they chose to make you look bad at that protest [and keep in mind, I disapprove of their tactic]. Maybe you’d care to elaborate to the people here why you are permbanned from DU [before you call me names and paint yourself as Ms. Congeniality].
You have made many enemies, on both sides, and although I personally support the movement to get verifiable elections, I don’t have to like a malicious liar such as yourself.
To those who wish to discredit Bev in the manner she described, please stop, it discredits us all, not just her. If you are one of the many this witch has libelled, take it up with the courts – I’m still tempted.
You know, I didn’t have the heart to even show a mutual friend of Brad and mine where you Libelled him too when you did, and that friend, Bev, is a big supporter of your efforts – a BIG supporter.
Anyhow, Bev, I doubt if you can figure out who I am, after all, you have made MANY enemies with your "I don’t work and play well with others" modus operandi.
As someone plainly, openly, and irrefutably wrongly Libelled by you, I will say this to the others you have pissed off in the movement: There are better ways of dealing with people like Bev that don’t discredit the movement.
And, Bev, please don’t be so quick to accuse the GOP of planting people that would like to see you go down. You’ve pissed off a lot of people on our side too with your Libel, name-calling, and other behaviour.
Bev, I have to ask… Why are you calling for elections to be boycotted? Gee… That *REALLY* did the job in Iran, didn’t it? Wisconsin is a key state the GOP is targeting this year, and you tell people that if they boycott the election that Diebold *MIGHT* release the source code? All I see a Wisconsin boycott doing is electing Republicans – who, by the way, will protect Diebold.
Although I disapprove of those possible moles using your organization’s name in their protest, I must say that some of what you say about "credibility" seems strange coming from someone I can easily sue for Libel – but haven’t. I was just thinking, that based on the experiences many others have had with you, that you might have pissed someone or a group of people off so much they chose to make you look bad at that protest [and keep in mind, I disapprove of their tactic]. Maybe you’d care to elaborate to the people here why you are permbanned from DU [before you call me names and paint yourself as Ms. Congeniality].
You have made many enemies, on both sides, and although I personally support the movement to get verifiable elections, I don’t have to like a malicious liar such as yourself.
To those who wish to discredit Bev in the manner she described, please stop, it discredits us all, not just her. If you are one of the many this witch has libelled, take it up with the courts – I’m still tempted.
You know, I didn’t have the heart to even show a mutual friend of Brad and mine where you Libelled him too when you did, and that friend, Bev, is a big supporter of your efforts – a BIG supporter.
Anyhow, Bev, I doubt if you can figure out who I am, after all, you have made MANY enemies with your "I don’t work and play well with others" modus operandi.
As someone plainly, openly, and irrefutably wrongly Libelled by you, I will say this to the others you have pissed off in the movement: There are better ways of dealing with people like Bev that don’t discredit the movement.
And, Bev, please don’t be so quick to accuse the GOP of planting people that would like to see you go down. You’ve pissed off a lot of people on our side too with your Libel, name-calling, and other behaviour.
Bev, I have to ask… Why are you calling for elections to be boycotted? Gee… That *REALLY* did the job in Iran, didn’t it? Wisconsin is a key state the GOP is targeting this year, and you tell people that if they boycott the election that Diebold *MIGHT* release the source code? All I see a Wisconsin boycott doing is electing Republicans – who, by the way, will protect Diebold.
Although I disapprove of those possible moles using your organization’s name in their protest, I must say that some of what you say about "credibility" seems strange coming from someone I can easily sue for Libel – but haven’t. I was just thinking, that based on the experiences many others have had with you, that you might have pissed someone or a group of people off so much they chose to make you look bad at that protest (and keep in mind, I disapprove of their tactic).
Maybe you’d care to elaborate to the people here why you are permbanned from DU (before you call me names and paint yourself as Ms. Congeniality).
You have made many enemies, on both sides, and although I personally support the movement to get verifiable elections, I don’t have to like a malicious liar such as yourself.
To those who wish to discredit Bev in the manner she described, please stop, it discredits us all, not just her. If you are one of the many this witch has libelled, take it up with the courts – I’m still tempted.
You know, I didn’t have the heart to even show a mutual friend of Brad and mine where you Libelled him too when you did, and that friend, Bev, is a big supporter of your efforts – a BIG supporter.
Anyhow, Bev, I doubt if you can figure out who I am, after all, you have made MANY enemies with your "I don’t work and play well with others" modus operandi.
As someone plainly, openly, and irrefutably wrongly Libelled by you, I will say this to the others you have pissed off in the movement: There are better ways of dealing with people like Bev that don’t discredit the movement.
And, Bev, please don’t be so quick to accuse the GOP of planting people that would like to see you go down. You’ve pissed off a lot of people on our side too with your Libel, name-calling, and other behaviour.
Bev, I have to ask… Why are you calling for elections to be boycotted? Gee… That *REALLY* did the job in Iran, didn’t it? Wisconsin is a key state the GOP is targeting this year, and you tell people that if they boycott the election that Diebold *MIGHT* release the source code? All I see a Wisconsin boycott doing is electing Republicans – who, by the way, will protect Diebold.
Although I disapprove of those possible moles using your organization’s name in their protest, I must say that some of what you say about "credibility" seems strange coming from someone I can easily sue for Libel – but haven’t. I was just thinking, that based on the experiences many others have had with you, that you might have pissed someone or a group of people off so much they chose to make you look bad at that protest (and keep in mind, I disapprove of their tactic).
Maybe you’d care to elaborate to the people here why you are permbanned from DU (before you call me names and paint yourself as Ms. Congeniality).
You have made many enemies, on both sides, and although I personally support the movement to get verifiable elections, I don’t have to like a malicious liar such as yourself.
To those who wish to discredit Bev in the manner she described, please stop, it discredits us all, not just her. If you are one of the many this witch has libelled, take it up with the courts – I’m still tempted.
You know, I didn’t have the heart to even show a mutual friend of Brad and mine where you Libelled him too when you did, and that friend, Bev, is a big supporter of your efforts – a BIG supporter.
Anyhow, Bev, I doubt if you can figure out who I am, after all, you have made MANY enemies with your "I don’t work and play well with others" modus operandi.
As someone plainly, openly, and irrefutably wrongly Libelled by you, I will say this to the others you have pissed off in the movement: There are better ways of dealing with people like Bev that don’t discredit the movement.
And, Bev, please don’t be so quick to accuse the GOP of planting people that would like to see you go down. You’ve pissed off a lot of people on our side too with your Libel, false accusations, name-calling, and other behaviour. So, take off your Tiara, Princess, and quit playing the martyr, I say it’s even odds that those "protesters" could have been on our side and not GOP plants – and if they were, even if I think their tactics discredit the movement instead of just you, you brought it down on yourself.
In the meantime, please stop telling people to boycott elections in Wisconsin and elsewhere, what the hell are you trying to do? Just hand the GOP the election on a silver platter? Gawd knows, they are heavily targeting Wisconsin, and are so vulnerable in that state, that they are already predicted to lose bigtime. Saying such things makes you a better tool for the GOP than Diebold.