READER COMMENTS ON
"FBI Subpoenas Ballots from Contentious 2004 Arizona Republican Primary Election!"
(24 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 2/1/2006 @ 5:04 pm PT...
Well Well Well, maybe people ARE starting to care that their vote counts!
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 2/1/2006 @ 5:17 pm PT...
Hmmmmmmmmm Verrrrrrrrrrrry Interesting!
(As Sgt. Shultz would say)
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 2/1/2006 @ 5:32 pm PT...
Well well well!!!!
Neocon crooks hands-caught-in-the-cookie-jar!!!!
I blasted the Arizona case everywhere...Looks like the real FBI finally took a very big interest.....
What is ARIZONA, BREWER, and these other folks hiding????
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 2/1/2006 @ 8:27 pm PT...
This is very interesting!
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 2/1/2006 @ 8:54 pm PT...
I'd like to know why the AMERICAN CITIZENS cannot request to have the FBI subpoena ballots from FL and OHIO 2004 debacle??Isn't there anything WE can do to DEMAND JUSTICE FOR US??
Why can't WE launch a citizens classaction suit to find out the truth??We ALL know they STOLE TWO ELECTIONS,so now that some attention is being focused on a few suspicious incidents,when will we have a chance to expose the most corrupt states of all,FL and OHIO??This is an outrage,if we let them get by without fighting for the truth in these two corrupt states,what good will it do to check out a small amount of votes,and excuse the fraud of thousands of disenfranchised voters elsewhere?
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 2/1/2006 @ 10:23 pm PT...
For now, Florida is completely under control of the neocon mafia. That may change soon.
The FBI or prosecutors don't have much access with Florida currently....its pretty closed down 'mafia' territory.
As I said that is expected to change.....And Ohio, they have already done everything that could be done.
Ohio is now such a mess, its up to the citizens to over-write the current corrupt government and get instant runoff voting.
There is over 12 court cases for review going on in Ohio right now, Blackwell has blocked all of them and he is being investigated by a Grand Jury. They are tracing money through Thomas Noe and Talbott who paid for "judges" in Ohio. Proving the whole government has been put under the thumb of the neocons.
The state of Ohio is totally hopeless for now until the trials begin. Currently, fixing other states like MA and TX and now PA(Pennsylvania) is more important....
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 2/2/2006 @ 5:52 am PT...
I agree, Jeannie. I'm in Florida. If the FBI is monitoring this blog along with our phone calls & email...
Are any of you good, patriotic gmen concerned about the fact that our voting system has been compromised? The "foundations of our democracy"?
We need a fleet of Eliot Ness-type guys down here.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 2/2/2006 @ 7:26 am PT...
The election in question is the September 2004 primary. During a recount triggered by a four vote margin between Anton Orlich and John McComish, 489 new votes appeared scattered across five candidates for two seats in the state House. The new votes changed the outcome of the election --- with McComish beating Orlich by 13 votes.
Approximately 460 of the "new" votes came from early ballots. These ballots were read by Optech 4C optical scanners in both the primary and the recount. Dr. Douglas Jones of the University of Iowa determined that the Maricopa County voting machines were not properly calibrated when he tested them in December. Prior to testing, the machines were adjusted by ES&S officials to pre-election standards.
Jones found that differences in calibration could have caused as much as a four percent error rate. Since nearly half all of votes cast in Maricopa County, the nation's fourth largest county, are early ballots, Jones said the results of any election within 2 percent could be called into question. He also said the only way to determine what happened is to examine the ballots in question to determine how people actually mark their ballots and whether the ballots were tampered with.
Senator Harper secured authority from the Senate Government Accountability and Reform Committee, which he chairs, in late January to issue legislative subponeas to obtain the ballots. But before Harper could prepare and deliver the subponeas, the US Attorney in Phoenix moved in and issued grand jury subponeas for the ballots.
The big question now is whether US Attorney Paul Charlton will aggressively conduct an investigation or if this will simply stall out and the public will never learn the extent of the problem with the voting machines in the nation's fourth most populous county or whether the ballots were tampered with.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 2/2/2006 @ 7:51 am PT...
John #8 -
Thank you for the clarification of this story. I understand from a source that there is a very real concern that the US Attorney might just bury the investigation because of close ties between himself and members of the county attorney's office. We certainly hope that is not the case.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
Jim in Iowa
said on 2/2/2006 @ 8:27 am PT...
Where is your outrage at the Washington governor's race where the republcian won, won the recount, but then "magically" enough ballots appeared in San Francisco North to put the democrat over the top, and then recounts- which ahd been automatic- were all of a sudden evil republican attempts to overthrow a popularly elected democrat governor?
At least be consistent. If republicans cheated, i want to punish those responsible. When democrats cheat, most democrats, the aclu and the clinton judges throw out the evidence and the case.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 2/2/2006 @ 8:33 am PT...
I've lived in FL since 1983,and I'm unfortunately in a RED county too!I have had suspicions that my phone was tapped for years,for I've been VERY VOCAL in my criticism of Bush,even when he ran as a candidate for President.I go with my intuitions,and believe that good old common sense matters so much.I could see through Bush's rhetoric from the start,and did NOT FAIL to Voice My Opinion.I joined a protest group,United For Peace And Justice,when the buildup for war started.I could NOT BELIEVE that so many IGNORANT people, were so gung-ho to want to slaughter so many innocent people,who had done NOTHING to us!It was such a strange feeling,as being in the middle of a lynch mob,while all around me,these people were lusting for blood!!I've felt like a target for all this time,but I REFUSE TO LET THEM SILENCE MY VOICE,FOR THAT IS ALL WE HAVE LEFT!!My friends and I go down to Ginny Brown-Waite's office,just to let her know how we feel.She being of the same mindset as the rest of the Bush regime,it's the same as talking to an automaton,mouthing the same mindless rhetoric,we're just wasting our breathe,but at least she knows how we feel!
I am so stunned by the amount of people who are SCARED STUPID,and so cowardly, that they will gladly give up their rights, in sacrifice,to be "PROTECTED" by Bush!!What a JOKE!!
I went to DC in Sept.to protest,lobby congress, and what ever else we could do.A week after we returned,lots of us became sick, with flu like symtoms,which wouldn't go away.I received some messages alerting me that a bacteria had been detected in six different sensors around DC,that weekend only,and the CDC verified it But they never bothered to tell us that it happened!It sure seems strange that Tulameria bacteria was in the air that weekend,the trains stopped running when people were trying to get there for the protest,and on top of it all,the metro dept.chose that weekend to shut down many of their trains,supposedly for repairs.Way too many irregularities, to be just coinsidence
I know they are spying on our group's activities,even filming our demonstrations and I'm sure my computer,too. I REFUSE TO LET THEM STOP ME FROM SPEAKING OUT,for I am An American and will NEVER STOP FIGHTING FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE!!
I'ts great to be able to talk to intelligent American Patriots,while being surrounded by so much stupidity and ignorance!!
Thank you Brad, for all that you do, you are a lifeline for our sanity in this country gone crazy!!
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 2/2/2006 @ 9:07 am PT...
As for Washington the voting machines have been sent out of there and the state only had 5 cases of voter fraud.
The right wants to make it all about "voter" fraud but the voters can't do all of this chichanery or commit such a sophisticated level of fraud so its a smokescreen.
Gregorie in Washington should be recalled since she seems to be a corporate mouth piece. I don't think shes going to be, however. And Rossi certainly only made matters worse.
No, there was lots of cheating going on in Washington. But the real point is the voting machines. The voting machines HAD to be removed and they have been...
In states like Arizona, they happen to be the worst problem especially in the primaries.
I guess we shall see what happens with it then won't we? I repeatedly asked and put them on the spot to get a special prosecutor involved. There is already one in Ohio whos been taking down election officials thanks to Kathleen Wynne.
All we can do is hope they got the integrity to get to the bottom of this hoax, and as you know push to either get the SOS replaced or recalled. This brewer character broke the law.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 2/2/2006 @ 2:13 pm PT...
Methinks the FBI stepping in will not necessarily help the problem. Perhaps they are there to FIX the problem, if you know what I mean.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 2/2/2006 @ 4:48 pm PT...
Jeanne King, I appreciate what you are doing. You live in a particularly difficult place. More and more, I think of U.S. like Nazi Germany. But this is just the propaganda. Both elections were stolen. Bush is not our choice. We live in a fascist govt. which keeps on rolling along with a 38% approval rate. This govt. officially started with Kennedy's death. Notice our good peaceful leaders get killed? The republicans don't. Just changing presidents won't fix our problem. Afraid there will have to be national suffering to change the mentality. And more than the traditional four year changing of the guard.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
John R Brakey
said on 2/2/2006 @ 5:31 pm PT...
Maricopa County Andrew Thomas is in trouble, he said that he investigated LD 20 and said NOTHING WAS WRONG! Then, why did the feds take the ballots? To investigate or protect?
Nathan Sproul is variously described as "a top Republican consultant strategist," some call Sproul Arizona’s Karl Rove. Sproul & Associates ran Andrew Thomas campaign for County Attorney.
In the 2004 election cycle Sproul was being investigated for illegal activities in two states Nevada and Oregon. The Feds came in pulled the cases and nothing else was every heard. We haven’t been able to learn anything since the Feds took over.
On Robert F. Kennedy JR's radio show "Ring of Fire" Air America Radio just this last Saturday, Mark Crispin Miller author of “Fooled Again: How the Right Stole the 2004 Election and Why They'll Steal the Next One Too (Unless We Stop Them), was interviewed. They talked about Arizona, SoS Jan Brewer and Nathan Sproul from 1999-2002: Executive Director of the Arizona Republican Party, Phoenix, AZ and the Christian Right in Arizona.
Furthermore MCM went into how “Team Bush Paid Millions to Nathan Sproul--and Tried to Hide It ...” http://www.ringoffireradio.com/show.asp?jid=102
Of the $8.3 million (which made Sproul the 8 th largest expense the RNC) we can only see where maybe $3 million that can be explained, several more million actually paid in the 2004 election cycle was shifted to the 2005/06 cycle until we caught it and Professor Miller then contacted the Federal Election Commission to force the RNC to correct the posting.
When Sproul moved into a state he always donate $1,400 to the state party and Ohio was one of them.
The details of the case of Election problems in Maricopa County that if exposed would implicates; Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas, County Recorder Helen Purcell, House Speaker Jim Weiers, Senate President Ken Bennett, and County Elections Director Karen Osborne of incompetence, malfeasance, obstruction, and possible fraud.
Articles by: The Phoenix New Times; “Pressure Tactics”, “Rocking the Boat” “Ballot Boxing”, “Pandora’s Box" and “Black Box Breakdowns". http://www.phoenixnewtim...1-26/news/dougherty.html
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 2/2/2006 @ 10:36 pm PT...
Thank you Holly,for it's the only way I can keep my sanity, by standing up to these cowards and bullies!
You are so right,when Kennedy died,our country descended into the pit of corruption,greed and blantant criminality.I felt as if a lifetime of hope for a better world was shattered that day,for America has never been the same since.America lost her innocence when the peacemakers died,and now it feels as though we are in a much darker and sinister place.I cannot understand why so many seem to hate the thoughts of living in a Peaceful world,I guess all the warmongerers would be out of business,though.
This year will be worse than last year,for the RATS are getting restless,and need to strike back in order to claim our country as their perpetual money machine!!
Peace be with you all,
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 2/2/2006 @ 11:12 pm PT...
"The details of the case of Election problems in Maricopa County that if exposed would implicates; Maricopa County Attorney Andrew Thomas, County Recorder Helen Purcell, House Speaker Jim Weiers, Senate President Ken Bennett, and County Elections Director Karen Osborne of incompetence, malfeasance, obstruction, and possible fraud."
They have got to get a special prosecutor inside the entire thing...I think I will pass on this arizona situation to someone else I know....have them start digging into it. The spotlight NEEDS to be blown all over arizona, that's for sure. These places are engaging in fraud, attempting to cover it up, and then people are ending up heading to court to undo the obstruction.
People need to submit FOIAs and start recording everything......Just like BlackBoxVoting has said. Think ahead of the game....I'm going to keep up the onslaught to get this arizona meltdown looked at.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
Real Freedom Fighter
said on 2/3/2006 @ 7:16 am PT...
If this was Nazi Germany, don't you think you would be rounded up and sent to a death camp?
Stop being an idiot. You lost because your side has no agenda and the majority of people see no reason to vote for democrats. Get a gameplan or shut the hell up, but your bitching is really tiring.
Real Freedom Fighter
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 2/3/2006 @ 8:08 am PT...
I trust you know enough to ignore that moron.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 2/3/2006 @ 11:36 am PT...
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
Real Freedom Fighter
said on 2/3/2006 @ 2:00 pm PT...
Yep, attack the meseenger. You ASSert that the US under Bush is akin to Nazi Germany (which is a favorite rant of the Commie Libs and socilaists) and when challenged with one simple question- "If this was Nazi Germany, don't you think you would be rounded up?" you get pissy and attack- BUT NOTICE you didn't answer the question.
If Mean Ol' George Bush, world's biggest idiot yet can fool and trick the libs at every turn can spy domestically only on peace loving and innocent US citizens making overseas calls to Al Queada members don't you think he would round you up and send you to some "black prison" in Europe? If you actually had "the truth" like you believe, why would the New Hitler let you continue your ranting and "exposing" of him?
Get a damned clue! The only reason you think it's sooooo bad is because you lost because you have an unpopular agenda. You are poor sports who have been brainwashed by a liberal media, leftist hacker/bloggers and idiotic college professors.
Keep it up though! Get your agenda out there, PLEASE! It is very important for Republicans to keep winning and the easiest way to do that is for the "great undecided" to see what you really stand for. No sane person can join your side. Some of us really want to defeat radical islam, judicial activists and crackpot liberal politicians. We can do it on our own, BUT YOUR CONTINUED VOCALIZATION OF YOUR POLICIES AND POSITIONS WILL GUARANTEE OUR SUCCESS!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 2/3/2006 @ 3:54 pm PT...
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 2/6/2006 @ 2:07 am PT...
Give um hell Jeannie!! I live in the red state of Alaska and literally have no voice in federal elections. However, I can't help feel that my vote was stolen in the Ohio election fraud. Diebold only needs to be caught with fingers in the pie once,(and be prosecuted) and there will be a great sucking sound as shareholders leave them in a cloud of smoke! Where in hell are all the spineless whistleblowers that have sold their country out? They should be shot for treason!!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 5/4/2006 @ 4:22 pm PT...
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