READER COMMENTS ON
"Sibel Edmonds Replies to Porter Goss Op-Ed on Whistleblowers..."
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 2/11/2006 @ 3:55 pm PT...
Beautiful! Too bad the packed houses of Short Attention Span Theater won't be able to assimilate it.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 2/11/2006 @ 4:08 pm PT...
I'm so proud of her, it's a gross abuse of power what these treasonous criminals in power do to shut up the true patriots of our country. Those that want to watch out for the interest of all Americans to protect us, not the interest of corporation that are reaping higher profits than ever, while citizens wages remain unchanged. We must impeach this entire administration and fighting to let whistle blowers speak is key.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 2/11/2006 @ 4:11 pm PT...
Here's all I have to say on Mr. Porter Goss....
"CIA aircraft operating under the cover of post office box firms and a humanitarian assistance operation are reportedly engaged in flying heroin out of Afghanistan as part of a 1980s-style covert operation to sell drugs for off-the-books operating capital. The narcotics smuggling operation also maintains a presence in Geneva, Switzerland where cash can be easily laundered. A reputed relative of CIA Director Porter Goss (last name is Goss), who is based near Geneva, is reportedly involved in the drug smuggling operation. Sources confirm that Goss has re-engaged a number of CIA assets from the Iran-Contra scandal to participate in the operation."
Still smuggling heroine for the drug "mafia" are you? What a nice little useful idiot....
Here's why Edmonds won't talk...even though everyone wants her too. This is what they did to Kenneth W. Ford:
"It was clear that the neo-cons conducted a "slash and burn" campaign against those in the intelligence community who did not agree with the contention that Iraq possessed WMDs. In May 2003, Ford was directed to draft an intelligence report on what Iraqi SIGINT revealed about WMDs. His report stated that while Iraqi intercepts that contained the words "diode oscillators" could have had a military use and, more remotely, could have been used along with detonators, there were many other non-military uses for such devices. Ford also spoke to an NSA expert on counter-proliferation about the Iraqi WMD claims. In fact, Ford was a key liaison between the Iraqi shop and the Counter-proliferation branch at NSA. NSA's counter-proliferation expert agreed that the oscillators mentioned in the Iraqi intercepts had many uses other than being components for nuclear weapons. Ford's report with his findings, along with his name as the original drafter, went up the chain of command, was reviewed by senior NSA staff, and ultimately found its way to the office of Vice President Cheney. It was at that point in time Ford became a target for an administration that was hell bent on purging every level of the U.S. intelligence community of anyone who in the least way showed any degree of independence from the Bush administration's party line.
Something strange occurred within the Iraqi shop in March 2003, the same month the U.S. launched its invasion of Iraq. There was a sudden influx of private contractor linguists into the branch. After he took over as NSA Director in 1999, Gen. Michael Hayden began the process of contracting out NSA support jobs to contractors but operational responsibilities were to have been maintained by career NSA civilians. However, in the case of the Iraqi shop, contractors with Arabic and Kurdish linguistic abilities arrived on the scene. NSA sources report that the contractors were to cook SIGINT analysis on Iraq in the same manner that other WMD intelligence on Iraq had been doctored, on Cheney's orders, by the CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, and the National Geo-spatial-Intelligence Agency.
Without his knowledge, the Bush administration laid an insidious trap for Ford --- a trap that would end his hopes of a professional career at NSA and eventually land him into a court room facing trumped up charges of illegally removing two boxes of classified documents in broad daylight from a well guarded building within the NSA campus at Fort Meade, Maryland. The Florida informant, Tucker, reportedly "tipped" the FBI and NSA to the presence of classified documents in Ford's home. In fact, it was Tucker who brought one classified document into Ford's home, given to her by Thompson, that was later used as an excuse for the FBI and NSA agents to enter Ford's home on January 11, 2004. Ford was detained in his home for seven hours, not permitted to drink any water, was denied bathroom privileges, witnessed his home being ransacked by FBI and NSA agents, and was then forced by Thompson to sign a confession without the presence of any other witness. Ford, fearful for his life, wrote a statement which was then supplemented by an additional statement written by Thompson. Later, the FBI claimed it seized two boxes of classified documents in Ford's home, even though no photos were taken of the boxes or other documents purported by the FBI and NSA agents to have been found in the house. For two days, Thompson waited in a car parked outside Ford's home to wait for the proper time for his informant Tucker to plant the one classified document that would begin the frame up. Sources report that Thompson has since been transferred by the FBI to Indiana."
The Ford Saga.
So called "FBI" aka the shadow wall or division 5...all of whom are neocons tortured Ford and wrecked his entire business. He was put out the street, and the only one that would listen was Wayne Madsen. Thats how he got his story to print.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
Murphy's Law Observer
said on 2/11/2006 @ 4:47 pm PT...
Power corrupts. Therefore it's those with the most power we must scrutinize the closest. Americans have given the intelligence agencies a lot of money, power, and blind trust. All of which provide dangerous concentrations of power. If, for the most zealous among the intelligence community that is not enough.. too bad. It's just too bad if accountability to the owners (the citizens) gets in the way of some particular agenda. People with narrow, or isolated world views have a history of taking things too far. Perhaps Porter Goss should look up and get a wider perspective of the danger his precious intelligence agency itself could potentially pose to our democracy.
Porter.. the American Dream we inherited from the Founders was of a government of, for and by We The People.. remember? There isn't space to list empircal evidence from thousands of years of history.. of the danger when governments, groups, individuals.. or secretive agencies.. put themselves above accountability.
Despite the imperfection of adhering to: "innocent until proven guilty".. no one with common sense would dare to do away with it. Likewise with accountability. Whistle blowers are the last measure of safety when group-think or inbred corruption overtakes an organization.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 2/11/2006 @ 4:56 pm PT...
The woman has bigger ones than any panty wearing mama's boy in this administration. You go grrl. Bush, Cheney and their lap dogs are nothing more than cry baby bullies.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 2/11/2006 @ 5:55 pm PT...
When will the CIA stop hidding behind its no exemployee can talk about our mistakes because its classified approach. Or you only hear about the negative the good the CIA does is, you guessed it classifed. I'm seeing an agency in denial a wake up call of reality is needed. After all despite what Goss says WE ARE STILL GETTING SHOT TO PIECES IN A COUNTRY THAT INTELIGENCE SAID WAS GOING TO BE A CAKEWALK TO INVADE! Doesn't anyone at the CIA feel embarrassed about their obvious inadequecies when it comes down to doing a job. Are they all high on Afgani Heroin, I can't believe arrogance, stupidity and cronyism could be this bad :crazy: ps brad needs a stonnedc smile with X X for eyes
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 2/11/2006 @ 6:36 pm PT...
All I can say is, "Wow!" She really has the logic lined up impeccably, lethally!
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Agent 99, though. *sigh*
And Doug E, what's the source for you first quote? I've been away from the internet all day.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 2/11/2006 @ 7:35 pm PT...
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 2/11/2006 @ 8:34 pm PT...
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 2/11/2006 @ 8:40 pm PT...
Let this be a lesson to us all, on how when a president steals an election, he gets to pick an entire cabinet whom we the people do not elect, and he gets to pick Alberto Gonzalez who tells the American public that whatever Bush does is legal, and he gets to pick cronies like Porter Goss to run the CIA and tell us we the people must keep our mouths shut because they are the privileged who know better.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 2/11/2006 @ 10:19 pm PT...
There are too many things we have done that are not honorable. We are desparate to stop the yogurt from hitting the fan, so we'll try to make the entire government afraid to speak out.
Maybe the punishment will include a session on the "rack".
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 2/12/2006 @ 1:23 am PT...
If Sibel Edmonds went public with everything she knows, in defiance of her gag order, I'm sure the government would want to give her the "Ford" treatment, as described by Doug E. Cheney's blood pressure would soar and Bushie would have one of his private tantrums. Bolton's mustache would curl.
But I maintain that Sibel is too high profile at this point for them to get away with it. Putting her on trial for sedition or treason would be as hard as putting executives at The New York Times on trial for exposing illegal spying. Assuming, that is, that Sibel is privy to more than illegal fundraising by Denny Hastert, which seems clear.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 2/12/2006 @ 2:27 am PT...
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 2/12/2006 @ 3:05 am PT...
Yes well what Sibel knows would expose things people already know and then every other thing few people know and such.
In fact, if Sibel Edmonds broke her gag order they would go after her. Because it would sink the neocons, most importantly it would kick Cheney and Chertoff in the face.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 2/12/2006 @ 5:23 am PT...
For Doug E.: Assuming you're right that Bush & Co. would go after Sibel if she violated the gag order, here's my estimate of Bush's friends who would and wouldn't go along with the purge (others are invited to contribute thoughts):
Executive Branch (yes): Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, Bolton, Rumsfeld, Rove
Executive Branch (no): Rice (resigns), Card, Fitzgerald, McClellan (resigns to help Mom in Texas)
Judicial Branch (yes): Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito
Judicical Branch (no): Kennedy, Breyer, Stevens, Ginsberg, Souter
Legislative Branch (yes): DeLay, Santorum, Istook, Imhofe, Rohrenbacher, Schmidt, Cornyn, Sessions, Lieberman, Boehner, Blunt, Hutchison, Ney, McConnell, Chambliss, Coleman, Kyl
Legislative Branch (no): Frist, Hagel, Wilson, Hatch, Specter, Sensenbrenner, McCain, Feinstein, Shays,
Graham, Voinovich, Snowe, Collins, Dole, Thune, Landrieu, Craig, Martinez, Gregg
Media (yes): Wall Street Journal, FOX Network, certain right-wing blogs
Media (no): Washington Post, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, L.A. Times, Boston Globe, Miami Herald, Atlanta Constitution, Cleveland Plain-Dealer,
CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, AP, Reuters, every international media outlet bar none, and the vast majority of left-wing and progressive blogs
Just one person's opinion. But if I'm anywhere near right, Sibel would have nothing to fear in the real world except temporary inconvenience. And hasn't her life been pretty inconvenient already?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 2/12/2006 @ 6:59 am PT...
I checked out your link, then read some of the comments posted there. I'm pretty disturbed by what I found there, like people proposing the following as the "only way" to fight against the New World Order:
"...We The People therefore give the legislators, including the President and Vice-President, 15 days to take the necessary steps to repeal all previous man-made legislation and revert to enforcing only God's Laws in The Bible. Failure to comply with this order from We The People and the direct Command of God; as expressed in The Bible; will result in the guilty being executed..."
That comes near the end of a very long, very disturbing tirade you can find here:
This brings to mind a few things Brad had to say on the subject. I see you were right, Brad. This is creepy stuff.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 2/12/2006 @ 9:28 am PT...
Well, they aren't quite as worried about someone like Sibel (who's willing to play by their rules) because they have lots of talking heads shouting her down (well, I'd guess so.. but I don't watch news on TV any more)..
It's things like this that are the bits where they manage to terrorize our own citizens. When the "average joe" starts hearing that you can lose your entire livelihood just for saying "bring criminals to justice", you start to shut up.
This administration is playing a very dangerous game, and they have many supporters. It's scary (and sad) to think that, in America, we can fall to the realm of dictatorship with local regents who will smite down all those who dare speak up.
During times of "mass prosperity" the government doesn't have the luxury of "scaring you into thinking you will lose all you have".. but in an age where consumer debt has almost everything "you own" actually belonging to someone else, and no real way to "provide for your self" (farming, ranching, etc. etc) because the entire economy is based on workers working for someone else, in times like that.. the government can just HINT that you're gonna lose your job (and then possibly -everything- you own) and strike terror in the hearts of those threatened.
People don't like to talk about how captive we are to our "jobs" these days.. but the truth of it is, these mega-corperations benefit from it, government benefits from it, con-artists benefit from it.. and the masses lose because of it.
Sedition.. nice.. for saying "look, here's a law.. it was clearly broke.. bring charges against the criminal".. Sedition? no.. rational thought from a logical mind.. yet, this administration is playing the sedition card now? How like a true dictator to classify -all- dissent as treasonous and sedition. (and before the trolls go ape-shit, I -know- it's not actually Shrubby who's looking at the sedition angle.. but it's psychos like you guys who also happen to have positions of authority who are trying to enable this facist nation to become well entrenched.. )
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 2/12/2006 @ 12:00 pm PT...
I need a half dozen right wing blogs so I can start posting where the "sick" can read. It's like we are preaching to the choir here.
I really enjoy reading these posts, and occassionally posting myself, but we need to do more than talk amongst ourselves if we are going to change things.
Good luck to you all. ..and thanks to those Adolf Bush supporters for at least taking time to check in.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 2/12/2006 @ 1:22 pm PT...
RLM I think she's more worried about the torture personally....but it would probably be for the best....breaking her gag order. Even though thats not legal....
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 2/13/2006 @ 1:38 pm PT...
Maybe they should shut her up by sending a virus to her computer.
I received several virus today from:
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 2/13/2006 @ 2:12 pm PT...
Jose (#20).. there have been a lot of viruses getting into the mails of people on this blog.. My guess? one of your ilk is attacking the blogs they don't like. Normally, as a general rule, liberals/dems/progressives aren't so pathetic and ignorant as to do such things. We -truely- believe everyone has the right to their opinions.. as opposed to you and Ann who think people who disagree with you should be shot or put in camps..
There's a thing on the free market called "virus scanner".. perhaps you should buy one, especially if you are gonna troll on blogs where your brethren are likely to attack with viruses..
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 2/13/2006 @ 3:53 pm PT...
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said on 2/13/2006 @ 5:31 pm PT...
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
Yolanda Gibson-Michaels (Kenneth Ford's Cousin)
said on 2/20/2006 @ 11:55 pm PT...
Related To NSA
Classified Docs Case
By Wayne Madsen
WMR has discovered there is much more to the government's harassment of Kenneth W. Ford. Yolanda Gibson-Michaels, Ford's second cousin, to whom he is close, filed major fraud and conflict of interests charges against Donald E. Powell, the chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and a close political ally and friend of George W. Bush who served as President of First National Bank of Amarillo, Texas and Chairman of the Board of Regents of Texas A&M University.
Gibson-Michaels, a whistleblower who worked for the FDIC Legal Division, uncovered fraud involving senior FDIC officials and scandals involving Bank Hapoalim of Israel, Bank Leumi of Israel, Russian-Israeli mob figures Vladimir Guzinsky and Arkady Gaydamak (a financial partner of Cheney while he was at Halliburton), Bank Leumi's Chairman Eitan Raff, SunTrust Bank of Florida (the bank from where the FBI's confidential informant Tonya Tucker (who stung Ford) received checks while she was in the Washington area, the Washington Field Office of the FBI, illegal Congo diamond trading involving DRC Resources Corporation, massive overcharging of the FDIC by outside counsel law firms, Saudi lobbyists in Washington, the Wells Fargo-Tejas merger, Tyco International, Enron off shore entities, and Halliburton. WMR will bring more details about this massive fraud involving the FDIC, described as a $3 trillion slush fund for Bush, Cheney and their business friends and associates around the world.
Considering Ford's cousin's high profile FDIC investigation (also involving Securities and Exchange Commission probes) of politicians and businessmen connected to Bush, Cheney, and Israeli interests, perhaps David I. Salem, the U.S. Assistant Attorney who was so quick to see Kenneth Ford sent to prison, should also have any of his possible connections to the Bush White House, the GOP, and Israel thoroughly investigated for potential conflicts of interest and criminal conspiracy.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 3/20/2006 @ 9:28 am PT...
I blew the whistle on three Immigration Judges who violated federal law by
bringing booze onto the grounds of and into a facility that houses Federal
Bureau of Prisons inmates and Dept. of Homeland Security detainees.
Those same Immigration Judges (Sean Keenan, Thomas O'Leary and John Davis) also
ordered staff to falisfy computer records of hearings.
The Supervisory Legal Assistant attempted to influence my testimony in the
discrimination matter filed by a former co-worker (DoJ docket number B-00-2377)
The officials I testified against in that matter proposed and effected my
removal based on coduct that never occured.
I had two other Immigration Judges testify on my behalf.
Yet, due to the mockery of Justice called the Merit Systems Protection Board I
The MSPB judge went so far as to rule that I could not have a reasonable belief
that bringing booze into a federal prison in violation of federal law was
I even submitted the DoJ standard schedule of offenses and penalties that listed
possession of intoxicants as a removable offense.
These Judges and the management personnel that looked the other way are still
The Phoenix Office of the FBI did not even give me the courtesy of a response
when I requested a criminal investigation in May 2004.
I recently sent a Citizen's Complaint form to the U.S. Attorneys office in
Phoenix hoping that someone in Government will investigate this matter and
charge those immigration Judges with the federal offense of bringing booze onto
the grounds of and into a facility that houses federal inmates.
28 CFR 511.12(a) mandates that a notice be posted outside the secure perimeter
of such an institution expressly informing persons entering the grounds that
possession of booze is a federal crime.
Thank you for the time you have devoted to reading this.