READER COMMENTS ON
"MD Republican Guv Demands Paperless Diebold Touch-Screen Voting Machines Be Sent Back to Fed Authorities for More Testing"
(12 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 3/6/2006 @ 2:47 pm PT...
Well, we DO bank on it already! Are our ATM cards this insecure?
WHAT is the obsession with voting machines about? If it were a genuine need, how could there be ANY question of the integrity of the machines produced for this purpose?
I'm banking on my fellow citizens to help insure no one in America loses their vote to this foul play.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 3/6/2006 @ 3:34 pm PT...
I wonder how much it would cost to "lease" citizens in the districts to count the paper ballots..
I'm guessing something MUCH less than $16,000,000.. but that's just my guess..
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 3/6/2006 @ 3:49 pm PT...
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 3/6/2006 @ 4:45 pm PT...
I will count all the Maryland votes myself and certify them through my accounting firm for only a measly one million dollars. This will save the state 15 million and I will give them a paper trail. If you are serious e-mail me and I will arrange it.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 3/6/2006 @ 7:11 pm PT...
As far as I am concerned, Erlich's motives are not important really. What he has done is focus attention on a terrible situation whereby voting was becoming a meaningless activity in which no one was sure what became of their vote. An earlier comment wondered what the big deal is. The big deal is that voting is anonymous and therefore completely different from banking.
We need open transparent systems. Anything hidden will invite and almost guarantee hanky panky just because it is so easy to get away with and the stakes are so high.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 3/6/2006 @ 7:28 pm PT...
Early Voting is fools gold.
Democrats won't learn. Wont.
Like Charlie Brown, Lucy suckers you again, and pulls the football away!
For those of you who are willing to learn, read about North Carolina's many early voting fiascos:
Be prepared for capacity issues. Federal testing does not examine the capacity of the voting machines, and often election officials do not know the limitations of their equipment/systems.
We lost 4,400 votes on one machine in Carteret County during early voting, making us infamous across the country. We had documented uploading problems with early vote ballots in Gaston, Guilford, Mecklenburg and Craven Counties. (All DRE counties).
I do know that our largest county, with about 500,000 registered voters, only had 100 DRES
for early voting, for 10 early voting sites.
*One-Stop No Excuse Voting begins on the first Thursday after the registration deadline (or
19 days before Election Day during the upcoming primary) and ends at 12:00 noon the Saturday before the election.
In the state of North Carolina for example, many counties use DREs/touchscreen machines for early voting. Most often they don't have enough machines for the sites, and lines are about 2 hours long in waits. The machines are in operation during 13 hours per day for approximately a 17 days period* prior to Election Day.
That's at least 221 hours per DRE. ( 13 X 17 = 221)
For information about how the early voting ballot is not secret, see this web-page:
For information about alot of voting machine malfunctions, many that happened during early voting in North Carolina, see this web-page:
Complications: In North Carolina, voters can cast their ballots anywhere in their home county.
That means that any one stop or early voting locations must have all of the ballot styles of that county. That could be 80 or more different ballot styles in one location.
Additionally, our law requires that the precinct data be reported. This seems to help the push for DRES, because it is much easier for a DRE to report that then when optical scan are used.
Here are just some of the early voting miscounts for the 2004 General Election
November, 2004. More than 4,500 votes irretrievably lost in coastal Carteret County
could trigger a new statewide election if the official margin of victory in two Council of State
races is close enough, state election officials said Monday.
In Guilford County, ES&S early voting machines had capacity problems, which affected anywhere from 6,000 to 20,000 ballots.
More on the Guilford County incident -
ES&S explained that the Unity 2.2 tally software reached 32,767 (32K) and began subtracting
from the totals (same as in Broward County).
Mecklenburg County. Early voting machines counted some totals twice affecting as many as 4,000 ballots.
That problem has not yet been corrected. "There are always glitches," McLean said. The basic problem is this: there are more votes than voters.
Craven County. In Craven County, all vote totals in nine of the county's 26 precincts were
electronically doubled, increasing the totals for president by 11,283 more than the number
of votes cast. Correcting the mistake changed the outcome of at least one race.
Automatic warning of double-counting didn't work
Gaston County. About 12,000 votes cast in Gaston County have not yet been counted,
elections director Sandra Page said Tuesday. Page said most early and absentee votes
were not included in the county's unofficial election results because of a procedural error.
The inclusion of the votes in the county's results, expected Tuesday afternoon,
could change the outcome of several local and statewide races
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 3/7/2006 @ 6:22 am PT...
It's interesting that, among the state's political leadership, the only holdout still supporting (or at least not actively working to get rid of) paperless touchscreen machines in Maryland is the President of the State Senate, Mike Miller. No one has figured out why, although the betting is that it's some kind of misplaced loyalty to the Democratic Director of State Elections, Linda Lamone. And, possibly, to the U.S. Congressman from Miller's area, House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer, who was a principal sponsor of the Help America Vote Act (HAVA), and who seems to believe that any effort to amend that act is a personal attack on its sponsors.
Miller seems to be influencing the chair of the state senate committee which will have to act on the legislation after it passes the House, Paula Hollinger, to block the bill on the senate side. She needs to be reminded that this obstructionism will hardly help her effort to run for the U.S. House of Representatives this fall.
What a tangled web...
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 3/7/2006 @ 10:04 pm PT...
I commend the governor for wanting fraud-proof voting machines. The problem is they do not exist.
He wants to use paper ballots and optical scanners. The problem there is optical scanners are computers also and they can also have the vote count altered in many different ways. The truth is the safest method of voting is and always will be hand-counted paper ballots. The sooner the country realizes that the better off we will be. Go to www.blackboxvoting.org for various methods of vote altering.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 3/8/2006 @ 9:55 am PT...
We have known over 5 years, that Dibold machines were controlling the Presidential elections. Why has it taken this long to finally address the problem? If the situation remains the same, it would be an insult to one's intelligence, to say voter fraud will not happen again. With record turn out in the last Presidential election, I am sure there will be many who will throw up their hands, and not vote, this time.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 3/8/2006 @ 4:11 pm PT...
Isn't it interesting that the MD. Governor now wants a paper trail. Yet, he is the one who advocated and brought about this mess in the first place. He is the one who ignored two Johns Hopkins University Studies that warned that the DIEBOLD voting machines could be hacked into and compromised, three years ago. I now question and everyone else should question what are his motives now?
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 3/9/2006 @ 5:43 am PT...
We must give people room to change their direction.
Give the governor a change to realize that voting machines are a great risk and a great place for fraud to take place.
As they go in the right direction, compliment them, and move on to even better things.
One day we may get back to humane political dialoge and truly honest american elections.
But to do that we must allow people to change and forgive mistakes about voting machines in the past.
That does not apply to republicans in congress this election. Vote them out lock, stock and barrel (lock-step and barrel).
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 5/2/2006 @ 5:30 am PT...
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