Brad, yes, more and more it is getting to the point that folks are understanding these issues.

Even the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals has held that Ohio's Blackwell has violated the constitutional rights of voters.

In Stewart v Blackwell the court today agreed with a lot we have been saying.

Perhaps the same fate will be had by the electronic voting machines eventually.

I think they violate constitutional rights. I plan to test it some day soon.

The Stewart v Blackwell court stated about the plaintiffs:

"They filed their complaint on October 11, 2002 alleging that: (1) the use of unreliable, deficient voting equipment, including the punch card ballot, in some Ohio counties but not other counties violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment; (2) the use of error prone voting equipment deprives voters of their due process right to have their votes counted accurately; and (3) the use of punch card voting systems in Hamilton, Montgomery, and Summit Counties has a disparate impact on African-American voters in violation of Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965." (see post #1 for a link to the case)

We know this one is going either to the en banc 6th Circuit or on to the US Supreme Court.

But there is now serious talk of defective electronic voting machines being bad for democracy and being unconstitutional.

The New Hampshire phone-jamming scandal is going to be like Watergate. But, here is the point the MSM is not promoting: The fact that the Republican party f***ed New Hampshire voters and Firemen, who were driving people to the polls to vote. What party would do such a thing? The Republican Party! That's who! Preying on people who need rides to the polls. What is their agenda? "How can we use the fact that they are poor or elderly or need a ride to vote??? Hmmmm.... I GOT IT! Let's jam the phone lines of the volunteers who are giving these people rides to the polls!!!"

This is how Republicans think. "How can we F**K the poor and the elderly???"

Now here it is, proven in a court of law, that the Republicans did this. And the stupid Dems are not capitalizing on this.

The Despicable Republicans

Naturally, Blomberg presents this as "it depends on which way you look at it"... bullshit. They say, the Republicans call it an isolated incident (some "other" people did it, right? Not the Republicans!).

Instead of saying, "A court of law, and 99% of the people in this country think this is a despicable act by a cowardly party, preying on the poor & elderly, trying to disenfranchise them...using their $$$ to screw the poor & elderly."

NO! Blomberg presents it like, well, "it depends on which party your from, if it's bad."

I have news for you...IT'S REALLY BAAAAAD!!!!

"Could a Sharp Eighth Grader Swing a Florida Election" .

So that means GWB didn't steal the Nov 2004 election.

A smart eighth grader could swing a Florida election. And a smart eighth grader could swing an Ohio election.

But it takes more to persuade the people who had the election swung against them to take it lying down. Which is what the Democrats have done.

It takes more than a smart eighth grader to persuade the mainstream (corporate) media to acquiesce in the fraud by stifling all evidence and seeking standard political reasons for Bush's winning two elections he actually lost.

It takes more than a smart eighth grader to proclaim election fraud in foreign countries, based largely on exit polls that contradicted the official findings, yet to ignore exit polls that proved that Kerry won the election.

It takes a worship of the status quo, and a willingness to put up with an ignoramus like Bush in the White House, rather than acknowledge that the United States can't run an honest election.

Thank you Robert L. Mills. You said it all.

Jeff J.

and yet....when you call your local election officials they continue to stick up for the fraudable crap they've purchased. But it's not Diebold they say...as I say 'all' are bad without a voter verifable auditable paper receipt....oh no we do backup it's secure....HELP THEY REFUSE TO SEE THE LIGHT!

Ada,
I agree we need a voter verifiable auditable paper receipt. But Savantster pointed out to me on another thread that such a paper counting system is not allowed by law in states that have gone to electronic voting systems. So we need to get the law changed in those states.

My Florida county has used the optical scan paper ballot system for many years since before 2000. I like it because your paper ballot is kept by the officals for a hand re-count if necessary. I would like it even better if it gave me a receipt of my vote that can not be forged.

Dan,
I read more on BlackBoxVoting.org and also later when I was going back to it I accidently typed in .com instead of .org and saw a different site. Apparently the .com site's owner used to work with the .org's site owner but they split ways under bad circumstances that I don't know the details of.

Anyway, I am convinced that Brad's efforts (and that of your friends here) for a better voting system are a good one.

Robert L Mills - I like your messages
you said:

"It takes more than a smart eighth grader to proclaim election fraud in foreign countries, based largely on exit polls that contradicted the official findings, yet to ignore exit

polls that proved that Kerry won the election."

I hope nobody ever forgets that. The US actually financed those Kiev exit polls and Bush stood up there in public and said how terrible it was that such a thing could

happen. All the media had to say about the same thing happening here was that the exit polls were unreliable and probably should not be used next time.

In the late 60's, we went to the moon just to show russia we could do better then just put a stupid satelite in space. Today, nobody seems to care that we can't even run an honest election. Damn!