READER COMMENTS ON
"PDA DECLARES 'NO CONFIDENCE' IN BUSBY/BILBRAY ELECTION RESULTS!"
(121 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 2:31 pm PT...
Yippie! Best news today! Will the MSM pick up on it?
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 2:39 pm PT...
DOES THIS MEAN THERE WILL BE A RECOUNT?
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 2:40 pm PT...
Is the petition for CA citizens only? It refers to "constituent information."
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 2:47 pm PT...
Could we rename it,..
The SLEDGEHAMMER AND WAR MACE REVOLUTION ?
(When they fire off a round at you,..
you return with a volley of 1,000 shots.)
Welcome to the battlefield,.. we are out to save
DEMOCRACY - what is their mission,.. under what banner
do they march ?
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 3:53 pm PT...
FYI, The Newshour with Jim Lehrer just did a segment on diebold/electronic voting/vote fraud.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 3:59 pm PT...
Bravo! Bravo! BRAVO BRAD!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 4:04 pm PT...
The only downside to this is that they'll say it was human error to bring the machines home overnight & the entire 'hackability' question will be glossed over--as if the results ARE reliable when volunteers are not allowed to bring them home.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 4:22 pm PT...
Brilliant ploy brad.
Put all the memory cards in the hands on a single corrupt official instead of spreading them out which would a much larger number of crooks to do any significant tampering.
Yea, lock down the memory cards they way Blackwell locked down Ohio.
Did that progressive Democrat Clint Curtis give you this idea?
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 4:27 pm PT...
AA just called you a MORAN!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 4:58 pm PT...
Fact: Access to just ONE memory card gives you control over ALL the machines, as whatever program is uploaded can be propogated once the machines are networked on election day.
Fact: Blackwell is a traitor to Democracy.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 5:01 pm PT...
Agent BB2: That's because some morons can't spell.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 5:11 pm PT...
AA,.. did he mean maroon?,.. macaroon?,.. mauve ???
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
V. Kurt Bellman
said on 6/15/2006 @ 5:32 pm PT...
Fact: Access to just ONE memory card gives you control over ALL the machines, as whatever program is uploaded can be propogated once the machines are networked on election day.
Has this been confirmed? Are they all networked on Election Day? The information distributed in Pennsylvania indicated that they are not. Is there a difference in California? Networking them is not allowed in Pennsylvania. They are supposed to be freestanding. Of course, in Pennsylvania, there's no paper trail at all so there's no reason to be smug.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 5:34 pm PT...
We need to post that picture of the "Pro-War Moran"
I saw AA's post and I almost wizzed my drawers LMAO
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 5:46 pm PT...
Are there any Veterans who can show up at the Registrar of Voters and point out that he is making a mockery of their service? It would be great if we could put togther a huge group of vets to demonstrate in San Diego.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 5:49 pm PT...
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 6:45 pm PT...
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 6:47 pm PT...
99 good to see ya again
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 7:25 pm PT...
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 7:56 pm PT...
A pretty good article about Olivetti electronic voting machines made in Italy,.. soon to be taken for a test drive in a Venezuelan election.
Keeping an eye on the competition.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 8:02 pm PT...
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 8:23 pm PT...
bu$$h/rove/cheney blueprints ?
Remind you of somebody,..................... USA
Coup in Venezuela, Evidence of Fraud Abounds
Through vote fraud in Venezuela, Hugo Chavez has just carried out the second coup d'etat of his career. This time, by rigging electronic voting machines supplied by a shadowy government-company.
By Johan Freitas, in Caracas
Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez claims to have won an August 15, 2004, recall referendum on his presidency. The former military coup-plotter supposedly got the backing of 57.8% of the electorate, with only 42.2% against him. But the reality, say observers on the ground, is the opposite: By tampering with electronic voting machines, Yes-votes for recalling Chavez got turned into No-votes allowing him to stay in power.
The machines themselves were supplied and programmed by Chavez insiders at a heavy cost to the Venezuelan state. Tellingly, they are not even voting machines. Produced by Italy's Olivetti for use as lottery terminals, they were sold to a shady government-connected outfit called Smartmatic who doubled the price and immediately resold them to the Venezuelan taxpayers for use in the recall referendum.
This was Smartmatic's first-ever involvement in electronic election machines. At the time of the deal, the company's largest shareholder was the Chavez government itself. No outside auditing of the election software has so far been effectively concluded.
Opposition leaders denounced the Chavez-claim as a massive vote fraud, adding that exit poll numbers and paper ballots showed the opposite result.
" - The process was marred by a sequence of fraudulent events," said Movement- to-Socialism party leader Leopoldo Puchi, a former Chavez supporter and Minister of Labor under Chavez. He revealed that the Chavez percentages did not come from the voters but were instead the result of a decision made in "a secret room, by a small group of government operatives".
The real results: 59.4% want Chavez out.
(The rest of this article.)
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 9:21 pm PT...
I'll look that up when I get a chance Old Turk, but if I'm not mistaken, that web page group that you linked to is monied up by the NED or IRI
Here we go again, boy that pisses me off
and good old Lou was (knowingly?) part of starting the propaganda
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 9:36 pm PT...
Nevermind, that was from the last go round
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 10:04 pm PT...
Oh but if you read the last paragraph in quotes , you will see some familiar tactics...this might be a good thing to read, it could possibly show us the tactics they're using here, they could give themselves away by reading their own propaganda
Thanks Turk I'm going to look at this a little more and see if I can pick some more up
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 10:13 pm PT...
Ya you noticed,.. stuff on Chavez,..
But internal problems Venezuela,.. e-voting fraud.
Then an article about a new vote machine coming on line soon. Interesting read,.. lots of info,.. different perspective. External to our boarders.
As reading,.. could not help but wonder if this was not the Bu$$h/Rove/Cheney/Fascist election fraud blueprint.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 10:17 pm PT...
OMG, that is their roadmap !!!
Replace Ven with US, Chavez with Bush, Smartmatic with Diebold, lottery machines with ATMS, Socialism with Fascism, you get the drift
(took me a while, I fell asleep and just woke up)
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 10:21 pm PT...
Turk we're on the same page now, Great find!!!
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 10:32 pm PT...
I would like to dive into this a little deeper,..
as you say might find/stumble on to an element of the bush/rove game plan,.. maybe something we overlooked.
Ahead of the curve,.. is better than behind the 8 ball.
Eastern Europe election fraud,.. Romania,.. Ukraine
and Yugoslavia,.. we/buSSh watched those exit poles like a hawk. If the % margin exit pole/ to vote if off,.. indicative the election gamed/fraud/thrown.
Why does that scientific equation mean so much over
there,.. but is deemed insignificant here. GWBush went
rat shit when he saw the exit pole/vote discrepancies overseas. Then called in the IRI to covertly agitate
an over throw/oust. Have we all turned into marshmallows ? Why has this government not yet been ousted ? 2006,.. might be the last chance we get.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 10:35 pm PT...
"To beat your enemy, you have to know them first"
Somebodys quote from way back
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 10:39 pm PT...
PBS's News Hour with Jim Lehrer tonight had a segment on the California voting "glitches." McPherson was a slick trick. It was fairly well "balanced" which, in my opinon, is not always good journalism ... especially when constitutional rights are at stake. They did a pretty good job of explaining how the emachines can be manipulated. They did not discuss the "sleepover" machines. I think this segment was probably filmed a few days or weeks ago.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 10:41 pm PT...
Oh and thanks for taking my other posts seriously. I was beginning to think I was alone in thinking this way
We can beat them by investigating this angle, I just know it
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 11:17 pm PT...
I just love this article ? deeper in your find, they're cutting the crap out of Chavez, you know, Blah Blah Blah
Then at the end, the source of the article to click on is PAT ROBERTSONs CBN !!!! LINK
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 11:23 pm PT...
Of course domestically here,..
Chuck Hagel was professor emeritus
when it came to USA election fraud.
Hagel is the former CEO of American Information Systems Inc. (AIS), which changed its name to Election Systems & Software (ES&S) in 1997. Voting machines made by AIS have been the focus of intense scrutiny since the 2000 Presidential election due to their alleged susceptibility to fraud and tampering.
1996 election Nebraska - Sen. Chuck Hagel
wins election on ES&S vote computer,.. shocking win
2000 election Nebraska - Sen. Chuck Hagel
Wins on ES&S Vote equipment,.. win margin more shocking
2001 Chuck Hagel was brought in front of a senate committee to determine his association/executive/stockholder of electronic
voting machine equipment vendors - he specifically
denied any association/knowledge. HE DENIED ANY ASSOCIATION,.. to the Senate Committee. Why would he do that? What was he afraid of if he told the truth ?
2000 Florida election debacle
2002 Georgia election debacle
2004 Florida/Ohio/Elsewhere election debacle
Now the fascists have a real good foothold on these
e-voting machines,.. the Demos are clueless,.. they turned a blind eye to this issue/problem.
2006 & 2008 ain't going to be pretty,..
come election time we have a lot of lost ground to make up. Thank God for B. Friedman !
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 11:38 pm PT...
Pat Robertson !!!!!
I have to hit the sack,..
gotta to paint a house tomorrow.
Happy research Floridiot,.. if you find anything juicey post it,.. have a good nite.
Good nite Pat Robertson,.. you FASCIST PIG,.. oh I am going to have awful nightmares with that guy on my mind.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 6/15/2006 @ 11:52 pm PT...
"On-call mobs routinely attack peaceful demonstrations by the opposition."
"the attackers are protected and sometimes coordinated by pro-government police, the National Guard and the Army. The pattern is clear: hate language identifies the targets; the mobs follow."
a new place, Inter-American Commission on Human Rights
Does this sound familiar ? "The unprecedented concentration of power in the President was very quickly matched and surpassed by his abusive use of that power. With the Supreme Tribunal and its Constitutional Chamber firmly under his control, and his minions strategically placed in each of the public institutions responsible for legally and constitutionally controlling presidential conduct, impunity has become the rule: legal transgressions have given way to constitutional violations and these, in turn, to outright criminal acts. And this is where hate language comes in -prominently- because unbound power, laced with hatred, is a deadly combination."
This article sounds exacly like the Neo-Con blueprint link wow
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 3:58 am PT...
What ya think so far, folks. Did they already have their coup back in 2000 or what ?
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 4:22 am PT...
Chris Mathews had Bilbray on last night and acted like he was in the presence of God (no kidding). They only talked about the immigration problem and then Chris ended the glowing remark that he could see why Bilbray won!
If that wasn't sickening enough, Keith Oberman was gone and the show started off talking about Bush's recent stream of victories. "His swagger is back, and there's a pep in his pace"
Excuse me while I clean up chunks of chicken soup off my carpet!
They later showed how he has had a "bounce" in his polls, but explained that 57% still believed getting rid of Saddam wasn't worth it (while displaying a poll which said 57% believed it WAS worth it. (mistake or on purpose?)).
Bouncy Bouncy! He's a very popular president!
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 4:29 am PT...
Sensitive New Age Coup
I like this one too, they lay out a weak blueprint for a "Camp Casey" of sorts, only more like Woodstock, the propagandists even think this is the way to go link
Only better, Everyone with a particular interest in mind set up a separate camp around the square, coming together every week for mass walks in the "Big Field", you know, like our fraudy voting, 911truth, etc to get attention
The only difference we wouldn't have our government picking up our tab, like they do for the Neo-Cons
The main thing is to keep the camps separate and defined during the off peak hours
Just a thought
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 4:34 am PT...
Larry, why was Keith gone, was it by design, maybe?
That way they wouldn't have to bring up a counter to to Bilbray Hmmmk ?
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 4:38 am PT...
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 4:52 am PT...
Sorrry Brad I'll shut up now, but Turk fired me up
Now back to your regularly scheduled deprogramming
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 5:55 am PT...
I got the email from PDA. In relevant part, it says:
"Progressive Democrats of America declares No Confidence in the machine tally results of California's 50th district June 6 Congressional special election.
PDA calls for a full hand-count of both the paper ballots and the Voter-Verified Paper Audit Trail to determine the level of accuracy or error in the Diebold voting system used in this election"
(Mimi Kennedy, bold added).
So no fraud is alleged, and certainly need not be, but what is set forth is that no confidence should be placed in the results.
Plain, simple, and very reasonable. It gives the reasons as:
"The reason for this statement is that the Diebold machines, which have memory cards, were not kept in proper custody as prescribed in guidelines issued March 22, 2006, by Sandra Steinbach, Chair of Voting Systems Board of the National Association of State Elections Directors (NASED)"
(ibid, bold added).
Evidently NASED issued a specific directive which deals with the problem complained of:
"Every memory card requires at least the same level of protection as the ballot boxes and ballots used in the election. To prevent corruption of memory cards NASED hereby adopts an official addendum to the qualification of all voting systems that include a memory card that functions to store and transfer ballot images or tabulation data"
(ibid, bold added).
So, this is an official NASED rule that was broken, and not as the trolls urge, just lefty whining. The rule goes like this:
"1. Throughout the life of the voting system, the election official shall maintain control of all memory cards and keep a perpetual chain of custody record for all of the memory cards used with the system.
Programmed memory cards shall be stored securely at all times with logged accesses and transfers."
(ibid, bold added)
To avoid any question about the ramifications of a violation of the rule, the final clarification by NASED is made as follows:
"Failure to comply with this addendum negates the voting system's status as a NASED-qualified voting system"
(ibid, bold added).
In other words, CA-50 was conducted in violation of the rules that the election officials were well aware of.
But like Robert Koehler said in his article on this issue, the election officials in CA-50 consider rules which are designed to bring forth fair, legal, open, and accurate elections, which are fundamental to democracy, to be too much of a bother.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 6:08 am PT...
Is Busby vocal about demanding a recount? If not...WHY NOT????
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 6:36 am PT...
I guess that you know that this site is still not loading properly. At least for me. You might want to mention that it is temporary since we may be having a few new visitors lately.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 7:28 am PT...
PDA = LDSA (Liberal Democrats of Socialist America)
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 8:02 am PT...
#45, just for the heck of it, try emptying out your cache
#46, see #16 MORAN !
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/16/2006 @ 8:33 am PT...
Brad - way to stick to your guns!
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 9:25 am PT...
Where is Busby?
Where is Busby?
IF she isn't HERE (on top of this issue) she's as good as DEAD politically, at least as far as THIS open election advocate (who gave $25 long distance to the stupid Bi$*h) is concerned.
Where is Busby?
Busby is DEAD!
We might as well move on, as much as I hate to. We have been SOLD OUT again by another in a long line of weak and/or stupid Democrats without the courage of convictions or any interest in the sanctity of our votes. It began with Gore making a deal for Dem Senators to not stand with Ms. Lee to challenge the Florida electors in 2000; it continued with Cleland not calling for mass riots and the stoning of Republicans when he was slimed in 2002 as a traitor after giving LIMBS for his country; then there was Kerry "I'll fight for every vote" wimping out less than 12 hours later; followed by Paul Hackett pretending to be a rabble rouser but then rolling over like a trained puppy, and now Busby, who is either an airhead or a criminal co-conspirator.
If they won't fight for us, then I am starting to agree with the "third party"ers, that there's just not that much difference between a benevolent despot and a malevolent one --- neither is a Democracy.
As much as I hate with all my heart the Republicans and EVERYTHING they stand for, I'm not sure I can just hand my vote to the Democrats any more. Maybe we need to have the Democratic party destroyed, the Republicans allowed to become the fascists they want to be, before things will get better. Maybe, like an addict (in this case, to the easy life of not thinking and being spoon fed bread and circuses) we need to hit rock bottom before we can rebuild.
Can you tell I haven't had my coffee yet today?
It's all your fault Busby.
Where are you?
Dead? You will be politically if you don't make yourself heard pretty damn soon and pretty damn loud.
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 9:39 am PT...
#22 Old Turk
My understanding was that Chavez is a relatively good guy. Venezuela has almost as much oil as Saudi Arabia but it's in a crude form that used to be expensive to change into a form that can be sold. Therefore, Exxon & Chevron have been drilling there enjoying a low tax rate from Venezuela for years.
Now, there is a new less expensive technology that changes this thick crude oil for market, so Venezuela's oil reserves are worth a lot more $ than they used to be. Chavez rightfully now wants to change the tax laws to make the oil companies pay more to get it. He wants to use the $ for his country's infrastructure.
Naturally, our big oil companies with Bush's help, are trying to stop him using every dirty trick they use here. One of them was rigged e-vote machines.
That's my understanding of the situation.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 9:48 am PT...
The dem. party is being taken over by repub. lite in a concerted effort. Why can't we be as concerted? When any dem. won't talk about election fraud, you know there won't be a recount. If a website or radio talk show host won't discuss election fraud...they are part of the problem. It is getting clearer and clearer to me. Another tell...Bush's poll numbers as well as the House's are in the toilet...but some are still trying to be middle of the road ...Middle of the road isn't what WE want. We want leaders who will lead and not follow..big oil and corporate dollars.65dcd
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 10:56 am PT...
Kurt Bellman #13
Kurt, I believe you can use a memory card from 1 scanner to affect counting results on the GEMS server. You don't need to have any machines networked. Just 1 memory card will do it.
You could also use a prepared memory card to affect just that single scanner. The possible impact would be limited only by how many precincts/counties that particular scanner was counting. It would change the audit tape results of that machine so there'd be no way of knowing something was wrong if you didn't hand-count the ballots.
The audit tapes from the individual machines don't seem to be reviewed with any care. In response to a FL Public Records Request BBV was given many that were obvious fakes (wrong date, wrong color ink, unsigned by officials; and later she found the originals in the trash). (This evidence was turned in to the law enforcement authorities who decided not to bother investigating. You can supply evidence of fraud but you can't force anyone to investigate it.)
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 11:12 am PT...
I just want to clarify that when Catherine (#52) said "You can supply evidence of fraud but you can't force anyone to investigate it." it should really be "You can supply evidence of fraud BY REPUBLICANS but you can't force REPUBLICANS to investigate it."
Let's not forget who is performing 99.999% of all the election fraud --- REPUBLICANS.
Let's not forget who is refusing to investigate the corruption and fraud in these cases --- REPUBLICANS!
It's the REPUBLICAN VOTE THEFT by REPUBLICANS who support REPUBLICANS.
Just as 95% of the "unusual occurrences," "strange coincidences," "minor problems of human error," and "unexplained technical problems," all somehow seemed to benefit one party --- THE REPUBLICANS!
REPUBLICANS are the ones who lie and cheat and steal to win, believing in many cases that their behavior is somehow justified because the enemy is evil.
And people wonder why I _HATE _ these Republicans so much.
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/16/2006 @ 12:21 pm PT...
Hey Charlie L - Explain to me why a country of sheep which i last checked still celebrates the 4th of July for US Freedom and Democracy sits so idle while they knowing at least have basic knowledge that these criminal thugs and lying murderers are controlling elections of "WE THE PEOPLE" and commiting treasonous act against it citizens, citizens of the world, and all species with their over 400 environmental laws and standards reversed or weakened.
Although the fact remains that we are in a war based on complete lies and that a Republican dominated House and Senate continues their oil war effort in the face of mounting deaths of both IRAQI civilians and US servicemen, they have no plans to leave. The new battlecry of these greedy illuminati sellouts is we won't run. Lets be clear that these pussies wouldn't fight anyone. Yes the US military won't back down. BUT this war is a war by oil barrons for oil. These fckers must by impeached.
The main basis for their augument still remains terrorism in the wake of Bush's 9/11 attack.
I welcome anyone to watch the documentary LOUDER THAN WORDS 2ND ED. (www.loosechange911.com) evidence which supports the military attack orchestrated by the White House and subsequent coverup, to openly debate the BUSHIT and explain why the so called PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRAT hasn't DEMANDED AN IMMEDIATE INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THESE HUMAN CRIMINAL LYING MURDERERS CURRENTLY IN CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT.
Lastly, i read today that any Iraqi who has killed an AMERICAN SOLDIER will be given amnesty by the Iraqi government. Choke on that war mongers.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 12:30 pm PT...
Thank you for that link...it is excellent! EXCELLENT!! Nice kudos for Brad there, too!
O my sweet Jesus, GREAT image! I gotta say, I'm proud to be among the many MORANS that gather here.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 12:31 pm PT...
I couldn't agree more, Charlie L. Except, it's 100%, and I'm not exagerrating (look it up).
One thing EVERYONE now knows, because it's never happened before, is that the Republican Party are a bunch of liars. They said if they ever got control of everything, they would enact their conservative agenda. Which is: small/weak government (they made it bigger, invading our privacy with NSA spying and absurd deficits squandered, they received from Clinton), isolationism (they are nation-building, at the expense of taxpayers and American lives). Add to it, that they are ruining our enviroment, torturing prisoners is "OK" (Alberto Gonzalez), murdering civilians by the hundred-thousands (Iraq), killing our own by unpreparedness (Hurricane Katrina), interfering with Americans' privacy (NSA spying, Terri Shiavo), they are presently lowering safe water standards and pollution standards (they are all becoming "voluntary").
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 12:39 pm PT...
O M G !
I just found the Democrat I will vote for in 2008!
It's the former Senator from Alaska Mike Gravel.
I stumbled upon his website, gravel2008.us, & I was blown away!
His "National Initiative" which puts lawmaking power back into the hands of the people, like a fourth branch of the government, is the answer to the corrupt mess we have now & can right all the wrongs.
One part I really like is that no war can be declared unless okayed by the people. No more President Bullshit declares war, or Congress declares war & all our sons & husbands die to put more money into rich pockets.
It's a beauty.
Unlike Ralph Nader, who even if elected, could be killed by the powers that be for not playing ball with them & all the good killed with him---even if they kill this guy (God forbid), his National Initiative can be carried right on by another well-intentioned person. So it won't do them any good to kill him.
Go see for yourself.
I feel so good! There IS an answer, Virginia...
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/16/2006 @ 12:48 pm PT...
Comment #49 To answer your question about why no 3rd party? As you know, there are other parties BUT it is big money which controls RED and BLUE states. Since corporate contribution is the #1 welcomed supporter and allowed without regulation. A good analogy would be that other political parties are off in the distance waving at voters like capsized survivors on a raft lost at sea. You can't hear them and they can't compete to make an impact however they do exist and they might be found.
Then you also got a cult of conformity which would rather chose an inferior complicit red or destructive criminal blue over fear of the unknown of a different party. It is more complex but with the lack of personal investigation a US individual is willing to make to engage in themselves in politics to even become somewhat informed to the point of remotely getting the truth is just NOT HAPPENING. A repeating 30 second comercial of BUSHIT and BUSHIT opposing candidate attacks that keeps repeating during a TV show for a couple days around elections usually does the trick for the US voter. BAaaahh!!! E Voting run by republicriminals and virtually unchalleged by democrocks.
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 1:02 pm PT...
#57: I haven't read much about Gravel yet, but, I would vote for him just 'cause I like the way the little guy pops up and talks to me when I open the page. Lol.
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 1:13 pm PT...
Is that "democrocks" or "democrooks"?
Perhaps a typo on your part?
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 1:35 pm PT...
Brad: Could you maybe add a button that would let us nuke comments we hate off our own screens? I know some message boards let you ignore certain posters, but I'd much rather be able to put my cursor on an offensive post and see, and hear, it fly to bits before it simply doesn't show up on my screen anymore. Instead of not feeding the trolls, we can use them as frustration therapy, blow their blather to smithereens!
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 2:14 pm PT...
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 2:25 pm PT...
Break down this new poll that I'm going to link to
Gores respondents were everyone and democrats
McCains were Republicans and Republicans link
I was watching Mush Head on Cnn for about two seconds, his news is always Republicans good, Democrats bad
Hand in hand Mushies was about Bushs BIIG jump in the polls from the head on the pike story, almost immediatly after that the story ran right into Jefferson.
Banana Republic, I'm tellin ya...Anybody have a Chiquita I can Borrow ?
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 2:30 pm PT...
Grizzly Bear Dancer (#54): Because they are afraid; and because they are brainwashed from age 1 with really bad television and mass media; and because they are uneducated by dumbed down schools/books and overworked/underpaid teachers and "teaching to the test"; and because they are doped up on booze, drugs, religion, or some other form of "drug"; and because they are working too hard just to keep their head above water (thanks to a corporate state that doesn't care about them as anything more than cogs in a gear) and has them one bad cold or car accident away from total destruction; and because the Republicans have done a great job of convincing so many of them that "there is no point." That's why they shoot off fireworks and wave flags and smile and don't realize they are celebrating an illusion that was lost 50 years ago.
Charlene (#57) and others: I'm all for "direct Democracy" but to make that work, you must have an educated electorate capable of making sound decisions and to THINK CRITICALLY about the mass media messages that are sent their way. There is no "freedom of the press" in this society, per se, when it comes to reaching the entire population. The person (corporation) with the most money will be able to reach the masses and manipulate them and get exactly the government that they want. I have seen the initiative system on a statewide level used for EVIL much more often than for good. There is the "tyranny of the majority" to fear as well as the power of corporate-controlled, right-wing-dominated mass media.
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 3:12 pm PT...
Agent BB2: That does help, but I need more explosiveness! I'd like to hit the nuke button, watch the filthy words shoot in every direction and then the space where that comment was will contain a heap of broken words and letters with plumes of smoke rising out of it.
Do my heart good.
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/16/2006 @ 3:27 pm PT...
Comment #64 i agree with your words very well covered. One cold away.
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 3:49 pm PT...
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 4:03 pm PT...
BB2: Guess my violent pacifism cannot be pacified very easily. It really has to involve blowing the offending post to smoking bits. At first I thought a blank space where it had been would be enough, but now I want to see the smoldering ruins as I scroll down the thread. Everybody else can keep them in their windows onto the thread if they want, but I want smoldering ruins where all those big monarchofascist, or just plain filthy, comments once violated my eyeprints as I go along. Cackling maniacally as I do. It will help restore the vitality to press on. I'm really hoping Brad's software genius friends can cook this up for me. Agent99's nuke button.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 8:02 pm PT...
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 8:52 pm PT...
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 6/16/2006 @ 9:11 pm PT...
70.0 O.T. - The Stern & cheney cartoon is funny . . .
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 9:47 pm PT...
Google Marsh Copsey, they are part of the problem
A PR firm hired by the IRI
Their website is Crush Kerry .com
Allawi personally hired them for the purple finger stunt
This guy knows a little about it
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 9:55 pm PT...
I'll bet you could even link them to...
Remember that po box in Texas somewhere for the ACVR ?
there IS a link somehow
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 11:20 pm PT...
The IRI boasts also of having "worked with opposition leaders to devise ways of increasing their voter identification and ability to influence the national political agenda." In other words, US funds were going towards providing free propaganda for US-approved politicians. As for the much-vaunted Otpor, a favorite of the Western media circles, here is what the IRI says: "In the fall of 1999, the student resistance movement OTPOR began to organize protests against crackdowns on media and academic freedoms. OTPOR is currently preparing plans, with IRI's technical support, for a Get-Out-The-Vote campaign for elections in 2000." link
You don't think this is what their doing here also ? come on people, WAKE UP, if they are exposed, it will decrease their effectiveness, thats all we have to do
All I did was type in "IRI in elections" on Google
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
said on 6/16/2006 @ 11:34 pm PT...
The big thing that really frosts my ass is our taxpayer money is going into this nonsense as they are a supposed 501c-3
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 1:39 am PT...
Brad will probably have this, but for now heres a sneak from Wayne Madsen
June 15, 2006 --- LATE EDITION --- WMR is extremely upset tonight to report that one of our close colleagues, Florida panhandle- and Alabama-based John Caylor, the editor of Insider Magazine (perma-linked from WMR) www.insider-magazine.com, was arrested yesterday afternoon by deputies in Panama City, Florida while attempting to retrieve public documents from the Bay County court clerk's office. John was the source of the crime scene photos of the late Florida Department of Transportation investigator Ray Lemme, who was "suicided" in Valdosta, Georgia after obtaining evidence of a link between the Jeb & George W. Bush, voter fraud, gambling money laundering through the Florida turnpike toll system, and contract and electronic voting malfeasance involving current Florida Rep. Tom Feeney. John has been a bane to the Bush cartel for years. Last year, Caylor uncovered evidence of a shady Walton County, Florida real estate deal cut by Karl Rove and real estate developers who donated large sums of money to George W. and Jeb Bush.
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 1:59 am PT...
#64 Charlie L.
I see what you mean--that this concept could turn ugly in some way. But Gravel says they've been running Switzerland this way for 150 years & people have been voting on bonds & such things in their own districts forever here in our country.
Hell, how can we possibly do any worse than our fearless leaders have done?
If you think about it, of all the problems our nation has---Bush has not addressed ONE of them in all his years in office. Not one. None. Nada. Zip. It's a wonder we still HAVE a country left at all with the shameless shitheels we have running our government.
Both the Democratic & the Republican shitheels are going to fight this tooth & nail with everything they have to the death because it means the END of their reign.
Kiss our asses, you shitheels!
Kiss our ROYAL asses!
It will be beautiful.
It's true our schools are dumbed down, but hey, WE can change the law under Gravel's National Initiative. WE can stop the war & devote big bucks to the schools, like it should have been all along. No more damn "trickle down" economics from the lottery for our schools!
WE can change the media consolidation rules at the FCC back to the way it used to be & bring back real journalism--so everyone knows what is really going down & not just those that have time to scour the web.
If we make a mistake with a law, we can fix it. No big thang.
The shitheels that have hijacked our country can eat our dust, baby!
I'm not nearly as afraid of my fellow citizens as I am of the shitheels we have making our laws now.
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 1:59 am PT...
You "Liberal Dorks" just can't accept the fact that you lost.
PS - Get a life... lol...
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 2:04 am PT...
AA (#8)...I'll thank you to leave my name out of this.
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 2:21 am PT...
#79 lol lol lol lol lol lol lol !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 2:45 am PT...
I've still only have dial-up so I finally waited to load in the Flash Video and have to say, Great work!
The first truly "balanced" fox news story!
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 2:53 am PT...
... Larry Bergan:
Thanks so much for your patience! Even though it shows a Fox News clip, this is representative of the whole U.S. corporate media.
BTW, it's now NUMBER 1 on the "Top Gainers" list. Thanks again, everyone!
I hope to have it number 15 by the end of the weekend.
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 3:14 am PT...
Oh my God, I met that guy on a bus here!
COMMENT #84 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 5:13 am PT...
# 80, Agent 99
Thanks for taking me back to yesteryear..!! Do you have "United We Stand" - by the Brotherhood of Man in your repertoire...????? Pleeeeze, say yes...!!
"United" would make a wonderful theme song for bradblog.com
.... ( exit Mar, singing ) ....
...... United we stand, divided we fall....and if our backs should ever be against the wall, we'll be together, together, you and I ........
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 6:36 am PT...
I remember Senator Gravel from the years I lived in Alaska. Yep, a people's congressman.
Did you notice that the dems are punishing their own for ethics violations (Jefferson required to step down)? That McKinney did not do anything wrong (link)?
The republican response to the same thing was to change the laws of congress so that DeLay could stay leader even while indicted.
And when one of their own goes to jail for election fraud when he gets out he becomes a guru to future young republican operatives. Or when sex crimes are committed the perpetrator stays on (link).
There is a choice ... Feeney or Clint Curtis.
BTW: Gravel released the Pentagon Papers (the Gravel Edition). Only one publisher would print it those decades ago.
Which would probably happen today too. Today Gravel would have released the NSA expose or the papers dealing with the lies the republican dictatorship told.
Not to hurt individuals, like the republican dictatorship (via Cheney, Rove, and Libby) did, but to inform Americans, like Gravel did and would do again.
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 6:42 am PT...
Senator Mike Gravel for president in '08 (link)
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 7:19 am PT...
Mike J #60
Well it is ok for you to continue to fantasize, with some "humor", however, the best humor has the facts on its side.
The republican persona now is crooks, crooks and more crooks. Even tho the hero of the current republican dictatorship, (Richy "I'm not a crook" Nixon, or tricky Dick as The Trickiest Dick Cheney calls him) denied being one. Denial is not proof.
Meanwhile dem Cynthia McKinney did nothing wrong (link), dem Jefferson was removed by dems from the committee he was on, and young Kennedy admitted his wrong, rather than lying for years about it as your guys do.
Do you remember when your guy, Tom DeLay, threw anyone off the ethics committee who was opposed to his "ethics"? And he then changed the laws of the ethics committee to allow him to stay on as a House leader even while indicted?
That drew as much heat as the Dubai Port fiasco, so the others changed the law back.
And the republican dictatorship continues to allow those convicted of crime to continue to teach young people how to do fraud in elections (link), and to teach young republicans how to have sex with a republican "guru", as underage teenagers, when their parents probably do not agree (link).
Please do not turn into a lying disinformation poster because eventually you would have to leave.
Better to stay and be exposed to reality, not a "reality" based upon a lost world of lies that has corrupted this republican dictatorship beyond all things humane.
Stay and learn about corrupt republican made election machines and how they must be fixed. Yep, help us give new meaning to "fix", the dem definition not the repub definition.
Stay and learn to be intellectually honest.
COMMENT #88 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 10:14 am PT...
Thank you so much for speaking up and starting this movement for openness and truth in the count of our votes!!!!
Keep us posted how we can help.
COMMENT #89 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 11:02 am PT...
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 11:15 am PT...
Any bluegrass lovers out there - KVMR is broadcasting the Nevada County Bluegrass Festival Live all day on the internet.
http://www.kvmr.org/ Look for the "Listen Live" link in the right hand column.
COMMENT #91 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 12:00 pm PT...
New Orange Revolution needed — in D.C.link
And why may I ask was the IRI so quick to rebut ? when the NDI didn't feel it was necessary
"IRI no child of GOP
From Lisa Gates, press secretary, International Republican Institute:
On April 19, an op-ed by Ken Moskowitz ran in The Hill (“New Orange Revolution needed — in D.C.”). In the op-ed, Moskowitz incorrectly states that the Republican Party is the parent organization of the International Republican Institute (IRI).
As a Foreign Service officer and former press attaché, Moskowitz should know that IRI is a nonpartisan 501(c)3 organization and as such cannot be affiliated with the Republican Party." link
COMMENT #92 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 12:05 pm PT...
Thanks, Agent BB2... I'd gone to bed. Bluegrass from the town where I used to do my late night walks will be a great way to spend the day.
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 12:25 pm PT...
I heartily endorse your various and sundry rants in this thread. Since you are in Portland, like me, maybe someday I will be able to personally thank you for your daily inspirational excoriations of the GOP crime syndicate.
But I am writing to ask you to please help us out here at the Oregon Voter Rights Coalition by writing a letter to your county election clerk to oppose the use of secret software running our opscan machines. I hope you can direct some of your great writing energy to send a letter in favor of a random sample hand count verification for every election as described in the Oregon VRC Call to Action.
We're trying to get legislation started for the next session and it will pass if we can get the county clerks on board. (We'll also need to depose the evil Red Queen, Speaker Karen Minnis, so that our democracy can be released from the dungeon where she has it shackled!)
This applies to all other Oregonians reading this, PLEASE write to your county clerk and support verification of Oregon elections counted by secret software. (All the information you need is at the link.)
Also, if you want to join our email list for future alerts please sign up at the site. Let's get this state's elections right! Then maybe we can share the system with other states before it's too late?
COMMENT #94 [Permalink]
said on 6/17/2006 @ 12:43 pm PT...
Yes, I read about the Dems making Jefferson step down. They're trying to show voters they ARE different than the "corrupt" Repubs, because they plan to run on that idea. In reality, we are here remarking about an occurrence that should be SOP & unremarkable. Except that in this day & age, sadly, doing anything at all right is a revolutionary concept to our esteemed legislators. Granted, it's better behavior than the Repubs, but there's an ulterior motive.
McKinney was bullwhipped & put back 'in her place' by the arrogant & powerful Aryans, Bush & Cheney, as payback because she dared to ask confrontational & pertinent questions of Rummy that he couldn't answer in front of everyone. She never should have been charged with anything, just apologized for impulsive bad behavior after being hassled by an incompetant guard that didn't recognize her but should have because it's his job to recognize her (There couldn't be very many black women to memorize!) & because she didn't wear her ID badge.
I'm from Illinois, so I can't vote in California for Curtis.
I saw that bit about Caylor getting arrested on Wayne Madsen yesterday too. I read about a LOT of scary & shadowy murders & political intrigue on his site. Whew! But just as I was really gettin into it--I read that bit about George having an affair with Condy & Laura seeing her ex-boyfriend over it because she's mad.
I just don't buy it. Not with Condy. I guess I could be wrong.
Anyway, I decided that I'd better wait & see if this Wayne Madsen site can be trusted before I talk about it.
I'm liking this Mike Gravel more & more. He voted to stop the draft in peacetime. He voted to stop nuclear testing, all back in the day. He went against the powers that be. I respect that. Plus, unlike Ralph Nader, he has a family & people can relate to him, so he's electable.
COMMENT #95 [Permalink]
said on 6/18/2006 @ 1:40 am PT...
I’m really glad Cynthia McKinny is off the hook! A couple of weeks ago, Enid Green, (you might have heard of her campaign finance scandal a few years back) gave an editorial on a local version of the great PBS “Now” series called “Utah Now”. She mentioned Congresswoman McKinny and William Jefferson to make the case that the Democrats “attempt” to paint the Republicans as the “party of corruption” had “fallen flat” and that the Democrats calling Bush a liar was disingenuous.
Of course this sent me to the computer to E-Mail the Utah Now program with my complaint. Amazingly, the next day, I got an E-Mail back, asking me to come into the studio and give a rebuttal. Despite my absolute terror, I typed up a reply and sent it in. The next day, there I was in front of the teleprompter reading the following “puff piece”. Sorry for this, but I didn’t want to look like a madman on this polite show.
Former Congresswoman Enid Green gave an editorial on Utah Now giving her views on what would be the best way people in Utah could work to improve our state. She seemed to discount an effort by the Democratic party to paint the Republicans as the “party of corruption”and I’m not going to make the case that every single Democrat is beyond accusation, but we all know that power corrupts, and obviously, the Republicans have plenty of that!
Not wanting to look unfairly bias, Ms. Green was careful to include names of people from both parties who have been implicated in the corruption debate. Fortunately for the Republicans, a lot people in Utah, at least, seem to agree that all politicians are the same, but given the current mood of the people towards the Republican congress and executive branch, I can understand why Ms. Green would want to turn the debate away from personalities and in favor of issues this year!
So there you have it. My chance to get on TV and give em’ hell, and I end up looking like Ozzie Nelson. They said they had tried to get viewers to come on before, but I was the only one who had enough guts. So there!
COMMENT #96 [Permalink]
said on 6/19/2006 @ 1:19 am PT...
#95 Larry Bergan
Good for you! I think it's great that you 'screwed your courage to the hitching post' & went on TV. I can understand why you wanted to cool your message down in public.
How was your message received?
COMMENT #97 [Permalink]
said on 6/19/2006 @ 11:53 am PT...
Scheez, do I have to follow Charlene again? Oh, well.
Larry #95, if any Republican had done what Rep.McKinney did then you and your friends here would be screaming for blood.
It IS a flat issue for the Democrats, but I don't expect them to give it up. They will say it over and over and over again until the lie becomes the accepted story and then viewed as the truth.
Rep.Jefferson & Rep.Pat Kennedy are just the latest, but there have been many Democrats and many Republicans in Congress that have put themselves in legal trouble. ex-Rep.Rostenkowski, Rep.McDermitt, ex-Sen.Moseley-Braun, Sen.Ted Kennedy, ex-Rep.Traficant (in jail now), etc.
Each party will have people to try to defend their positions and mistakes, but in the end it is the prosecutor and the voter that have the final say.
The political pendulum always swings back and forth. Sometimes it stays on one side more than the other, but eventually it always swings back.
The ONLY reason that Rep.Pelosi moved her caucus to push Rep.Jefferson off the Ways and Means cmte is that without doing that, her "culture of corruption" charge against Republicans would not stick. Rep.Pat Kennedy came forward and took blame, but it's NOT what Sen.Ted Kennedy did (and got away with) in 1969.
Did you know that Gwen and Joe Kopechne never heard an apology from Sen.Ted Kennedy for the loss of their daughter Mary Jo? Sen.Kennedy was 37 at the time and married.
Cosmic Baseball: Mary Jo Kopechne
Wikipedia: Mary Jo Kopechne
COMMENT #98 [Permalink]
said on 6/19/2006 @ 7:26 pm PT...
# 97, Mike J.....
"Scheez, do I have to follow Charlene again? Oh, well"
COMMENT #99 [Permalink]
said on 6/19/2006 @ 8:23 pm PT...
Thanks for your kindness..!! Wish we could all go back to those days, life sure seemed a lot simpler then, or maybe our young eyes hadn't yet been fully opened to the injustices and cruelties of life.
COMMENT #100 [Permalink]
said on 6/20/2006 @ 1:12 am PT...
My family seems to be uncomfortable with my speaking truth to power, but the people down at the TV studio were excited, and I think hoped it would spur some more public involvement.
It wasn't perfect but I was happy with it. I told the people who filmed me that I was glad I didn't have to do it for a living!
COMMENT #101 [Permalink]
said on 6/20/2006 @ 1:34 am PT...
It wasen't all THAT funny, Mar. Mildly amusing yes, but not "ROFLMAO" funny.
He hates to follow me because I stomped his crummy act once.
You've hit a new low & joined a troll in gang-banging a fellow patriot here on BradBlog.
(Did you even read past his first sentence to see what kind of stuff he was saying?)
I haven't noticed that YOU have added anything much to the consversation here yourself--except, of course, for the gang banging with the troll now.
So I suppose congratulations are in order:
You've finally managed to make your own special mark here. Too bad it's a cheap & petty one.
COMMENT #102 [Permalink]
said on 6/20/2006 @ 1:44 am PT...
I hear you re the fam being uncomfortable with your spot on TV---mine is too at times when I speak out---other times they're proud.
Congratulations! You did it. That is so cool.
COMMENT #103 [Permalink]
said on 6/20/2006 @ 1:50 am PT...
Mike J. #97
Rep. Pelosi could let children and old women die in a hurricane, and her "culture of corruption" charge against the republicans would/will stand for centuries. The contrast is like pure white light against dark space to anyone with normal vision.
When we get the voting problem fixed, the politicians will be accountable to a MUCH larger populous, (as in recent history) and the beast will be tamed.
As soon as Cheney comes clean on his "lost hours", we'll revisit Kennedy's "old story"!
P.S. Hannity and Traficant are lovers!
COMMENT #104 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/20/2006 @ 6:07 am PT...
For Mike J.: Your point about Teddy Kennedy and the Kopoechne family is valid. The question is, "At what point does a statute of limitations" take over regarding past indiscretions of a personal nature?
Teddy Kennedy ran for president in 1980. He had two huge advantages...the Kennedy name and Jimmy Carter's extreme unpopularity. Yet Teddy didn't come close to getting the nomination. Point being, he was punished for Chappaquiddick, and rightly so, because it reflected on his character.
Since then he's built a strong record in the Senate. Should Chappaquiddick still be used as a political football in 2006? I'd say no, especially since Bush's misdeeds up to age 40 were covered up or forgiven.
COMMENT #105 [Permalink]
said on 6/20/2006 @ 6:18 pm PT...
# 101 Charlene,
Hello again.....long time, no speak.....
I didn't realize that people who blog here were expected to make 'their own special mark', thanks for the info, and if my comment regarding Mike J's sense of humour offends you, then, so be it..!!
According to medical research, a good belly laugh is beneficial to ones health. Heaven knows all you folks south of the border need a good laugh on occasion considering the problems you face on a daily basis, so IMHO, anyone, regardless of party affiliation who provides an occasional lighter side to the days usual business, should be acknowledged in a positive manner.
COMMENT #106 [Permalink]
said on 6/20/2006 @ 11:24 pm PT...
You want to hurt me but don't want it to look that way, so you're hiding behind the troll.
Now, THAT'S funny.
P.S. Re past history: Why did you ever jump into a discussion you had nothing to do with, if you can't take the heat anyway?!
COMMENT #107 [Permalink]
said on 6/21/2006 @ 4:01 am PT...
Don't flatter yourself (or if you do, get some insurance on your mirror).
Perhaps that joke won't make you "amused", but at least I amused you a little.
The reason I don't like following you is because you seem to be one of the meanest regulars here.
MAR agrees with your liberal line on some issues, yet you attack MAR just for saying my comment was ROTFLMAO. Like someone else liberal like-minded said here a while back, "I think they eat their young here".
I asked you questions more than once that you refused to answer more than once. I tried answering your questions, but you won't answer mine.
Yet you think in your dreams that you stomped me?
COMMENT #108 [Permalink]
said on 6/21/2006 @ 4:05 am PT...
I understand your point about when to stop holding past mistakes against a person. Sen.Kennedy's mistake certainly hurt him in 1980.
Strong record? Opposing common sense solutions to real problems. Voting against military spending. Voting against actions that helped win the Cold War.
Pres.Bush misdeeds covered up or forgiven?
Which reporter at which network broke the story just before Election night 2000 that Pres.Bush (then Gov.) had been convicted of DUI way back in his youth?
ANSWER: Carl Cameron at Fox News Channel
If you don't believe me, then look it up.
That cost Pres.Bush votes that people held against him. Forgiven by some, but not by all. Same with Sen.Kennedy's 1969 mistake.
Then there is the phony Air National Guard story of 2004. I was in the Reserves for seven years (after my active duty period). I had to re-schedule my drill weekend a few times during those years, so I know the rules about that. Those who don't, should not talk about what they don't know.
Thank you for the discussion.
COMMENT #109 [Permalink]
said on 6/21/2006 @ 10:19 am PT...
If you weren't stomped, why are you trying to get me now?
No reason at all?
That's why we call your ilk "trolls".
COMMENT #110 [Permalink]
said on 6/21/2006 @ 12:06 pm PT...
I'm not trying to "get you", just set the record straight. However, you seem to have a paranoia about people attacking you. I point to your #101 and #105 as examples of your paranoid behavior. Mar was not trying to get you either.
As for the "troll" remark, how childish! Calling people childish names is fun to you? Grow up, please.
Example of Charlene's behavior
COMMENT #111 [Permalink]
said on 6/21/2006 @ 6:17 pm PT...
You're workin awful hard at NOT trying to get me...
COMMENT #112 [Permalink]
said on 6/21/2006 @ 7:43 pm PT...
# 106 Charlene
Just a gentle reminder for you from a few months back........"chill out...don't get your knickers in a twist". It's much pleasanter for everyone that way..!!
COMMENT #113 [Permalink]
said on 6/22/2006 @ 12:59 pm PT...
I'm offering an educational moment to you. Do with it what you will.
Calling another female "sister", implies a supportive & trusting relationship that we don't have & is inappropriate.
Let me school you on "sisters" supporting each other:
1.) Griz WAS talkin crazy in EVERY entry he made when I came on here--about murdering people, raping people & describing it in 'grizzly' detail, like a escapee from a nut house. It was creepy. I told him I was waiting for an entry from him without that, but never got one so thought I needed to speak up. He has since shown he DOES make normal comments--but he didn't back then! (He could have just said so instead of what he did say to me--of course, nobody has called HIM mean or bitchy. They save that for the women. )
Anyway, at the time, I felt like SOMEBODY on here should pay attention to this out of control guy & tell him to seek professional help, for real. I've treated violent guys in the hospital that talk just like he did.
Griz could handle himself, he didn't need you to jump in.
YOU are the one that gave ME a hard time, for no reason at all, over something that had nothing to do with you--Ms. Pretend Innocence!
Then you didn't like what I said to you. I thought it was mostly just cute little sayings & fun, no big deal.
But because you didn't like it, you're going around trying to run me down---what a lovely person you must be.
NOW, you think you're going to get off telling ME, that I'M 'unpleasant'? Then, in the next breath, offer "peace, sister".
Get real. I'm not making nice to that.
2.) You haven't noticed, but most of the words on this blog are from men (not counting Brad because he started the blog, so you can't count him).
I've been on other blogs in the past (one of them was Michael Medved's for instance), which also happen to be mostly men.
I began by politely presenting my differing opinions because I enjoy talking politics & guess what, Mar?
The MEN tried to eat me alive with the most foul language, imagery & dirty tricks you can imagine. All of em. They try their best to belittle you & your ideas, & blow you off--not because your ideas don't have merit--but because you're a woman. Yes, even in this day & age. Especially when you're right & can back it up with proof. They hate that & never admit they're wrong.
Yea. I quickly learned to swim & not sink. Gradually, gradually,--they begrudgingly accepted me.
Are the men on here doing the same thing on purpose or subconsciously? I don't know. You tell me. They do like to gang up.
The effect if the same.
When THEY put someone in their place--they're skilled wordsmiths. When WE do, we're mean bitches.
Are women kept out of high government positions by men? (unless like Condi, they agree to become slaves rather than a force to be dealt with like men are) We ARE more than 50% of the population, after all.
Do universities keep women from being Professors on purpose or subconsciously by the men who run them? Didn't the head of a big university come right out recently to say women aren't as smart as men?
Personally, I choose not to lay down & let people roll over me, so to speak.
Brad must feel the same when he's out there fighting the good fight.
Well Mar, when you're aware of what the 'sistas' have to put up with, it's really low to turn on your own & join in with the men.
COMMENT #114 [Permalink]
said on 6/22/2006 @ 1:24 pm PT...
You are so right! Everyone is out to get you! Even me! All the men on this site are out to get you! I must be out to get you too!
;) Paranoia Self-Destroyer
Try to have a nice day!
COMMENT #115 [Permalink]
said on 6/23/2006 @ 12:16 am PT...
Look at the troll Mike J.
He's supposed to be here trying to subvert Democracy--that's his job--but he has a short attention span & an addiction to porn sites.
This combo may have just gotten him banned!
I rest my case.
COMMENT #116 [Permalink]
said on 6/23/2006 @ 1:55 pm PT...
Charlene # 113
You said..." I've treated violent guys in the hospital that talk just like he did".
Good afternoon, Nurse Ratchett....how's life in the cuckoo's nest..?
I appreciate you schooling me on the word 'sisters', however, here is YOUR lesson for the day.
It can also mean 'a woman related to another woman by a common tie or interest' which accounts for why we both visit this awesome site. I never for a minute expected you to assume that I figured you and I had a "supportive and trusting" relationship. The common tie or interest aspect accounts for why we are both on this wonderful blog, nothing more..!
As for my calling you unpleasant.....that's not what I said. Go back and read # 112. However, if the 'cap fits, wear it'..!!
I left my 'ganging up' on people mentality back there somewhere along with my childhood, and never once since then have I had the feeling that men gang up on women.
There's an old saying "you only reap what you sow". Maybe your sowing technique towards men needs some schooling, rapido..!!
COMMENT #117 [Permalink]
said on 6/23/2006 @ 5:56 pm PT...
You are so right. She definitely needs some peace. She is much better at making enemies than making friends.
This bit about porn sites makes no sense. That link is to the lyrics of an old song that I thought pertained to her.
"There's really something wrong with you. One day you're gonna self-descruct."
I don't know why you hate me so much. Perhaps I have a stubborn streak and when I'm attacked then I tend to hit back. But there's no reason to hate me.
When all you have is hate too keep you warm, it may just burn you up.
COMMENT #118 [Permalink]
said on 6/23/2006 @ 6:30 pm PT...
Well, thanks to me, I see you've moved yourself up the honesty scale a bit & gotten in touch with your own anger:
Emotional honesty & being aware of your feelings are more healthy & are an improvement over pretending you're not angry while hiding behind the troll.
Now, for a person that left their "gang" mentality back in childhood--hey--you joined Griz against me & you joined the troll against me. Get in touch with the truth.
Your paragraph should have said, "It's more pleasant.. not "It's more pleasanter..." Reminds me of George's "decider".
Anyway, your paragraph says if I didn't get upset, it would be more pleasant for all. Thereby, you implied that when I'm upset, I'm unpleasant.
Well, YOU--who dislikes getting in touch with her own feelings & wants to continually be Princess Nice--might have found it unpleasant. Some see it ain't no thang.
I noticed you stuck in there that your message is "a GENTLE reminder"--while you then proceed to insult me! That's typical you--putting a velvet glove over the fist to hide the punch coming next--like you're so innocent.
You haven't noticed that men try to dominate, belittle, & blow women off, some with more subtlety than others, whether it's knowingly or not, because you have yet to say anything interesting enough for them to contradict here. Or you must never have worked with men at all. Or dated a man. Or married a man. Or talked to a man. Or...Nevermind.
Most women understand what I mean.
But most women do.
It's just something that's always in the background of women's lives.
Understand, I don't dislike men, I like them a lot. It's just something men do that you have to deal with if you want to hold your own. It goes for work, sports, cards, pool, riding--you name it.
I used to think it might be more trouble than it's worth to hang in there until you get respect--but taking the easy way out would be letting myself down.
My husband likes me feisty.
It is not all in my head. BradBlog IS a typical microcosm of the rest of the world, not some statistically different & happy place.
I could give examples from here but it would just add fuel to the fire & I've found that only standing your ground successfully builds acceptance.
How do you explain why women still have "the glass ceiling", that high paid chefs are mostly men, women aren't allowed to be priests, are only a small percentage of Congress, Professors, etc.?
Not by burying your head in the sand & saying it ain't so.
Sit on it, sista!
COMMENT #119 [Permalink]
said on 6/23/2006 @ 6:32 pm PT...
COMMENT #120 [Permalink]
said on 6/25/2006 @ 2:36 pm PT...
Mike J # 117
Don't know about you, but I've come to the conclusion that it's a waste of time wading through and answering the rants of Charlene. It's sort of like beating your head against a brick wall........not very productive and can be the source of much pain.
She does seem to be very knowledgeable about the election system etc, but it's the venom that spills forth when she gets into her attack mode that makes her come across as 'someone possessed' at times.
From what she wrote in # 118, it sounds like she found a husband best suited for her personality. I feel that he must either be a masochist or is tone deaf.
I'm outta this thread....see you around Mike J..!! I enjoy reading your posts, and I know your views don't always jive with the majority on this blog, but agreeing to disagree in a pleasant manner is the way it should be, without being verbally assaulted for ones efforts.
COMMENT #121 [Permalink]
said on 6/26/2006 @ 2:55 pm PT...
Yes I agree with that assessment. I also do try to "agree to disagree" with my posts. I'm not perfect like others here think they are. But I try to be pleasant. I may not always succeed at that, but at least I try.
See you later!