(NOTE: RAW STORY is now running an article on Howard Dean’s comments at DemFest and our Press Conference there, both on Saturday.)
Have finally made it out of San Diego, back to Los Angeles, where hopefully, I’ll be leaving again soon to take whatever form of occassionally working, occassionally vacating vacation that I am able to pull off over the next month while all of these things are going on….
It’s been a whirlwind past 48 hours or so, and I’ve hardly been able to catch my breath, much less log onto the net at all for the most part since 7am on Saturday. So I’ve got a lot of catchup to do. More notably, I’ve got a lot to catch you up on from news of a late and last-minute press conference on the latest Busby/Bilbray CA50 stuff that we held Saturday evening at DemocracyFest just prior to the big open air concert event (featuring Al Franken, Howard Dean, Marc Maron, Paul Hackett, Maxine Waters and many others) to various bits and pieces that I hope to share from meetings and conversations and such from the last several days of DemFest and beyond.
I’ll share some news and comments from Sen. Debra Bowen (with whom I sat on a panel discussion Saturday in the big room at DemFest) and Francine Busby (with whom I was able to have a number of private conversations) and Howard Dean who spoke about the Busby/Bilbray CA50 voting machine “sleepovers” during that big Saturday night event. And probably more.
Need some time to get caught up over the next few hours, and hope to have comments here soon.
The hastily compiled media advisory, sent out in the hectic and heated hours before Saturday’s Press Conference is below. Portions of it were, I’m told, carried by San Diego’s Channel 9 and 10 — one of them the local ABC affiliate — including (I think) some one-on-one comments from yours truly. The local Air America Affiliate, KLSD 1360am also played portions of the conference on Sunday morning. Anyway…pardon my exhaustion, and my inability to communicate much at all until now, and stand by for more when I can get caught up a bit…somehow…
***MEDIA ALERT***
Contact: Miriam Raftery, DemocracyFest! Press Coordinator, ###-###-####
CA 50 ACTION COMMITTEE FORMED TO PROTEST JUNE 6 ELECTION
Group Lauds DNC’s Call for Hand Count of Busby/Bilbray Race after illegal Voting Machine ‘Sleepovers’ and other Election Irregularities
WHAT: Leaders of the California Progressive Movement announce formation of CA-50 Action Committee to organize legal action for accountability in the recent June 6 special election in California’s 50th District. This action is to support yesterday’s call by the Democratic National Committee for a complete hand count of votes in the Busby/Bilbray election, and to announce next steps.
WHO: The CA 50 Group is a coalition including California Election Protection Network, Progressive Democrats of America, Democracy for America, VelvetRevolution.us, and BradBlog.com. Leaders of the California Progressive Movement, including: Mimi Kennedy, Chair of Progressive Democrats of America, Brad Friedman of BradBlog.com and VelvetRevolution.us, Judy Hess, PDA-San Diego, Gail Work, CA Democracy for America, Jim Wade, DFA, Brina-Rae Schuchman, PDA/DFA, and others
WHEN: 6:30 PM TONIGHT, Saturday, July 15, 2006,
Immediately prior to the event in the Open Air Theater featuring Al Franken, Howard Dean, Mark Maron, Paul Hackett, Maxine Waters, others.
WHERE:
Directly in front of the entrance to the San Diego State University Open Air Theater on the campus of San Diego State University ““ 5500 Campanile Drive, next to the Adams Humanities Bldg. http://www.sdsu.edu/map/interactive.html
DNC’s Statement: http://www.democrats.org/a/2006/07/dnc_voting_righ.php
More Info and Background: https://bradblog.com/?p=3069
{Ed note: Comment from previously banned disinfo artist, part of Rob “Wally O’Diebold” Pelletier’s Diebold disinfo team, deleted. For the record, AA is AnonymousArmy who has been banned from BRAD BLOG, three times banned from DemocraticUnderground.com (and yet still likely posting there under new names) and most notably allowed free reign to ply his dangerous trade and post his disingenuous nonsense over at dKos, unfortunately.}
{Ed note: Comment from previously banned disinfo artist, part of Rob “Wally O’Diebold” Pelletier’s Diebold disinfo team, deleted. For the record, AA is AnonymousArmy who has been banned from BRAD BLOG, three times banned from DemocraticUnderground.com (and yet still likely posting there under new names) and most notably allowed free-reighn to ply his dangerous trade and post his disingenous nonsense over at dKos, unfortunately.}
AA = Troll?
If you don’t know who Velvet Revolution is, then you are way out of league to even START asking questions — you need to do a little reading first.
The whole tone of your second post sounded downright hostile. You don’t want to donate money? DON’T!
Brad: Just say when and where, and you can have another $25 of my hard-earned retirement (hah!) fund.
Can’t wait for an update. And a website that will keep everybody posted on the latest developments in ONE place.
Keep up the great work.
Charlie L
Portland, OR
Sounds like the troll Anonymous Army is now posting on BradBlog. AA has been repeatedly banned from other sites including Democratic Underground because he is a troll of the worst kind and he spread misinformation, disinformation and uses every dispicable means to discredit reputable people,organizations and causes. And to top it off, he has been traced to a Department of Defense website. Please Brad, ban AA from BradBlog, we don’t need dark forces and their minions polluting the fresh air you bring to millions of Americans who have been screwed over by the likes of him.
{Ed note: Comment from previously banned disinfo artist, part of Rob “Wally O’Diebold” Pelletier’s Diebold disinfo team, deleted. For the record, AA is AnonymousArmy who has been banned from BRAD BLOG, three times banned from DemocraticUnderground.com (and yet still likely posting there under new names) and most notably allowed free reign to ply his dangerous trade and post his disingenuous nonsense over at dKos, unfortunately.}
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Hey, AA!
This is the third website I’ve seen you at this week. You get around! (He recently stalked my diary at DKos).
You still haven’t answered my question, AA…
When are you going to write a diary or even post a post about what your thoughts are on e-voting?
Do you advocate e-voting or not? Just curious.
You seem very concerned about this e-voting cause, and yet you don’t take the time to write about what your thoughts are on the matter.
For someone who prides himself about being an election official in Canada who votes on paper — why don’t you advocate this more forcefully to your fellow Americans?
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Wow, we’re now earning the really PRO trolls?
This is good. It must mean that BradBlog was mentioned in one of the right-wing hit squad morning conference calls. Beats being ignored.
This is the blog equivalent of having an FBI team stalking you.
The time for “flying under the radar” and “keeping your powder dry” has passed. The CA-50 is the tipping point. The CA-50 is the moment when we will bring the criminal corruption of those running our elections to light. What HAAS has done MUST not stand! He must be exposed for the incompetent or corrupt public official he is and the likes of him removed from any capacity in our electoral process.
Brad, can’t wait to hear what Ms. Bowen and Ms. Busby had to say.
Charlie L
Portland, OR
The RAW STORY piece:
Dean, activists target evoting honesty in California
And, it really doesn’t matter WHO won the vote — either way, HAAS is criminally incompetent or criminally culpable for “Crimes against Democracy.”
Wow, we have earned the DODs seal of approval, 😎
Off topic but a must hear clip Adam Carolla hangs up on Ann Coulter and slams her big-time.
Link.
Hey AA, is Shawn Southworth on your payroll?
Speaking of Diebold, I went to do some banking today and guess what the name is on their new ATM machines, Diebold!! (Canada Trust,TD) I can’t look at that name without thinking “they” helped get bush in office and are part of the reason the world is suffering.
I decided at that moment to cancel my account and credit card.
ITMF’sA
Dredd, LOL 😀
The ‘do-anything-for-money’ crowd employed by Diebold in British Columbia demonstrates by their presence in the comments here (the deleted comments from the despicable AA above) this much:
If and when an actual hand count of the paper ballots and paper trails of the CA-50 district takes place in San Diego, California, that hand vote-count result will be compared to the result from the mechanized and computerized vote-count, and then all bets will be off for any future “electronic” vote-counting in this country…
Well, I’ve posted links to NC Times articles that have missed the point that have triggered a lot of discussions between us and trolls both here and on their pages. Happy to post a link of a commentary there today from a person that DOES get it! And it looks like no trolls are there and the one comment there looks like someone she’s helped understand the issue. Cool! A lot of cool things on CA50 over the weekend. Democracy Fest attendees definitely all got indoctrinated to this issue while there if they weren’t already. Hope Brad rests up a lot the next few days. There are many people that haven’t wanted him to rest both offline and online, and in those situations, sometimes the issue needs to be forced. Brad, don’t feel guilty about it at all, and get your quality time now!
Brad:
Is CA-50.com or CA-50.org the site where this will be centralized for the organization? Let me know.
I have CA50.com and will happily donate it or re-direct it. Until I hear otherwise, I’ll re-direct to here starting tomorrow.
Click on the Raw Story article with Brad on it, and try to post a comment. There’s only 1 comment, and I cannot make a comment. I wonder if Raw Story knows this? Or is it just my PC?
Are you sure he’s part of some disinformation campaign?
Anonymous Army is often recommended at DailyKos. How has he been able to fool everyone over there? Or do you think Kos is part of it as well?
I don’t know that deleting his posts is such a good thing. Why not leave them and prove him wrong? Then everything will be there for all the world to see.
Otherwise you look like you have something to hide.
I’d really like to understand what this guy has done. Maybe you should write an article and get Stop George to cross-post it. If you can make a connection between Diebold, DoD, and Anonymous Army, that would be a big deal, probably front page news.
But why would they focus their disinformation campaign on Will Pitt and Jason Leopold, because that’s what most of Anonymous Army’s most recent diaries are about.
Going back a little ways, this guy challenges a lot of people — he doesn’t just focus on Diebold or voting rights as far as I can tell. I think you should just leave his posts up and debunk them. It would give you a lot more credibility.
AA said: “They’re on to me! Shit!”
Pete: Daily KOS stinks. When a Dem loses 51%-49%, Daily KOS says, “It was a moral victory”…instead of blogging about e-vote fraud.
MISINFORMATION SMACKDOWN HERE AT THE BRAD BLOG!
GET READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMMMMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brad is indeed a hero. Let’s all send him money.
Thank you, Brad, for everything you are doing for this country! Now: in order to be able to continue your vital crusade, take a grandmother’s advice and REST (somewhere cool preferably). 😉
Daily KOS sucks bigtime, they flaty refuse to discuss what really should be the ONLY 2 things that any Democratic website should be discussing.
Election/Voter Fraud & the fact that this administration is guilty of mass murder & treason (9/11).
If KOS isn’t a republican shill they might as well be.
Brad Blogger Steve Viele sent me a nice email containing a brief account of his time at DemocracyFest and some pictures of Brad and some of the others there. I will post these things as soon as I can … on this very thread!
Thanks to Steve for that, my apologies to everyone for being too busy to do it right away (multitasking again!) and PLEASE check back here later for more details of DemocracyFest, from Steve Viele.
brad – i agree with peter s. #19. let’em post. sure wish i knew what AA had to say.
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If you click on the link provide on the AA deleted posts titled “Diebold disinfo team” it will take you to what you refered to as “front page news” What should be front page news doesn’t even make the news these days.
But the link on the comment goes to bbv.org and says some guy named “robp” works at Diebold but has a web-site tracking Bev Harris.
The link doesn’t suggest AA is this person, or even affiliated with this person. it definitely doesn’t claim the U.S. military is involved.
Part of my problem was with that link. If Brad is claiming AA is Diebold, he should link to evidence, and not post a link of behavior supposedly typical of the person or group you linked but deleted.
Leave the text up, and post the link, I think.
Stop George’s diary about the DNC was ruined by these accusations because they were never substantiated.
And it gave AA more ammunition to be a jerk every time he asked for proof of the claims being made against him fdor the unanswered questions he asked.
Here’s the link.
If this guy is really a Diebold or DoD, let’s get him, but if he’s just some guy at Kos with an attitude, then claiming otherwise isn’t smart.
Peter
Brad doesn’t rip out comments lightly. Disinformation, and too much misinformation, and whether you think it’s substantiated or not, nefarious origins of comments are grounds for comment deletion and banning from the site. Not everyone coming to this site, or this thread wants to sit down and wade through that garbage. It sounds to me as if you almost enjoy the stuff, and IMHO that isn’t reason enough to muddy-up everyone else’s brains with it. A lot of people are relieved to see it disappear. Too much time is wasted, utterly wasted, with that stuff. The subject is election fraud, not the provenance, or relative merits of trolls. We have work to do.
I don’t have time to debunk folk who are purposely posting nonsense (which they know is nonsense) in order inject doubt into a debate simply to defend some indefensible idea. But to answer your first note defending AnonymousArmy (who has been banned time and again at DU and here):
Anonymous Army is often recommended at DailyKos. How has he been able to fool everyone over there? Or do you think Kos is part of it as well?
I don’t think Kos has a clue about it. His posts are recommended when his team of buddies recommends them. It’s not real hard, is it? But, of course, I’m sure you know that.
I don’t know that deleting his posts is such a good thing. Why not leave them and prove him wrong? Then everything will be there for all the world to see.
I have no problem engaging in a legit debate on FACTS here. You’ll find many such debates. Debating knowing disinformation, however, is a waste of time. Just as it is meant to be.
There are plenty of posts allowed here with which I don’t agree. Everyone who reads this site knows that well.
Otherwise you look like you have something to hide.
Only to those who hope to give that impression to others. Wouldn’t I simply delete the entire post instead of adding a comment that it was deleted and why, if I was concerned about folks thinking I had something to hide?
I’d really like to understand what this guy has done.
He is a liar, a disinfo expert, and he has violated both my rules and DU’s rules time and again by working around various bans.
He’s a phony who has attacked anyone who has been successful in the ER movement (from Bev Harris, to andy Stephenson, to Larisa Alexandrovna to myself, etc.)
Maybe you should write an article and get Stop George to cross-post it. If you can make a connection between Diebold, DoD, and Anonymous Army, that would be a big deal, probably front page news.
Feel free to get to work on it. That’ll likely be news soon enough, I imagine.
But why would they focus their disinformation campaign on Will Pitt and Jason Leopold, because that’s what most of Anonymous Army’s most recent diaries are about.
Because he hopes to discredit progressive journalists and ideas any way possible. Period.
Going back a little ways, this guy challenges a lot of people “” he doesn’t just focus on Diebold or voting rights as far as I can tell. I think you should just leave his posts up and debunk them. It would give you a lot more credibility.
My credibility is doing fine. But thanks for the suggestion. And have a nice night!
Peter Shilikov, #28
Consider the following diary at DailyKOS.
You will notice that AA is a staunch defender of robp. First by denying that robp even works at Diebold, and after conceding that he does, rationalizing it as a benign employee just trying to set the facts straight. Also note he even suggests the diary should be deleted. He asks for proof, and when it is provided he acts as if it isn’t proof at all. No matter what evidence is presented, he will claim it is meaningless – all while making unsubstantiated claims himself. Of course, he holds others to a far higher standard than he does himself. So, the only purpose AA serves is to spread rumors under the guise of “asking tough questions” and create doubt. Usually he is joined by others in hijacking threads and creating a pointless back-and-forth. I cannot speak to whether he is linked to the DoD.
Take a look around, you’ll see his role is typically to discourage, divert attention, and cast needless doubt.
How ridiculous to think that if this guy AA worked for DoD he would leave trails and tracks that could be traced by “Internet investigators.” The fact that people are claiming this makes me question their judgment as well as the veracity of the rest of the scandalous allegations against him. I wonder, have these same people seen any unicorns lately?
Shelly, #32
DoD, military, and other government people often read and write blogs, leave comments, edit wikipedia, and otherwise ‘leave trails’. There’s nothing unusual about that. Anyway, I don’t make such claim and you can see from his past behavior that AA disrupts diaries and engages in phony debate, making charges and not backing them up then accusing others of doing the very thing he engages in. Whether he works for the DoD or is a cashier at Arby’s doesn’t change that.
#33
I realize that, but some of the whacky stuff I’ve seen are claims that he has sent threatening and/or harassing emails to people. I find it very hard to believe that anyone who works for the DoD would just let that all hang out from a work email.
Hell, if anyone of this crap is true, shouldn’t he be reported to the DoD? If the people making these bogus claims really believed what they were peddling, they would have done this long ago. Any ideas why they haven’t, and instead continue to bat it around the Internet?
How about this idea to satisfy both sets of folks that aren’t trolls. I know recently Brad has been updating the site posting functionality here. Don’t know if it’s just presentation changes, but perhaps you could add something like a “Default Ignore”, which would be like a ban, but allow someone who’s interested in wasting time to see what the guy wrote to selectively turn off this ignore for themselves to be able to read it. Then the rest of us can ignore him without thinking about him any more, and those that are curious can check out why this guy has been “checked out”… Then Brad can’t be accused of hiding anything but those interested in wasting time can do so without bothering the rest of us. Those responding to this guy’s posts run the risk then of getting “default ignored” themselves too.
You tell us, Shelly. I suspect you know better than any of us.
#34, I don’t know whose claims those are, where they originated, what info that have to back that up, or why they would peddle it if it weren’t true. So no, I have no idea.
AA works pretty good at obsfuscation, he can hijack a whole thread without saying much of anything
He keeps the real questions and answers from coming forth by attacking the messenger with repeated bizarre and unanswerable questions and turning the original topic on its head
What a pro, a Leadership Institute graduate for sure, like Ricky on steroids, don’t let him on here anymore, ever
I think I remember him when I first started to post here
Oh, and hi Brad, hope your trip was a productive one
Kinky Friedman for Governor! Texas can do it!!!
Thanks for the laughs, Shelly. You’re pretty funny!
I can’t wait to hear what Busby and Bowen had to say! Friends, please let the troll fade away quietly. LIfe is too short.
I’m not trying to be funny at all. I think I asked a valid question. If some DoD guy is wreaking havoc all over the Internet and harassing people, why choose to only spread innuendoes and not turn the guy in? Hell if I know why they haven’t, you’d have to ask the people making the claims.
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Peter Shilikov & the rest who have questions about AA:
In my most recent diary, I could count the number of recommends his comments received with one hand. And he made a slew of comments in that diary.
People do not take his stuff seriously at all. He was the only one on Brad’s case.
Also, my diary was number one on the recommend list for quite some time. The people at Kos get it — even if the front-pagers don’t like bringing it to the fore.
Regardless of what his true motives really are, I have noticed one thing that AnonymousArmy avoids like the plague…
e-voting.
Isn’t it curious that he advocates making voting a fair process in American — and prides himself with voting on paper ballots in Canada — but he will not make a single comment on what he feels about e-voting?
The silence is deafening, IMHO.
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AA’s website traces to:
OrgName: Go Daddy Software, Inc.
OrgID: GDS-31
Address: 14455 N Hayden Road
Address: Suite 226
City: Scottsdale
StateProv: AZ
PostalCode: 85260
Country: US
AA’s email traces to:
OrgName: Google Inc.
OrgID: GOGL
Address: 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
City: Mountain View
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94043
Country: US
Results from Neotrace Pro. and ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2006-05-11 19:10
Shelly: I realize you weren’t trying to be funny. That’s the best part! 😉
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Peter Shilikov said:
Stop George’s diary about the DNC was ruined by these accusations because they were never substantiated.
I admit that I handled AA’s attack badly after I became very frustrated with his persistent badgering. He persisted in trying to make a diary about e-voting and the DNC’s statement towards the CA-50 election into a personal attack on Brad.
But to say that the diary was “ruined” is completely over-the-top.
Despite AA’s antics, the diary continued to generate postive comments about the topic at hand and AA was, for the most part, ignored.
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I see Greg Palast got some good reviews for his new book, Armed Madhouse
like this one “Palast’s stories bite. They’re so relevant they threaten to alter history – simply by letting the hoodwinked public in on the game while it’s happening. Palast is exactly what a journalist is supposed to be – a truth hound, doggedly independent, undaunted by power.” — Chicago Tribune Media Services
Those are great Call Letters K L.S.D. . . . . I wonder Who thought them up ? ? ?
Anonymous Army is my cousin
{… and he’s been banned here. You can’t post his stuff here any more than he can. Sorry, Clementine. I don’t make the rules here; I only enforce them. WP}
I’m throwing up a “yellow flag” (not a “red” one yet), because EVERYONE who wants to let this shill comment, is not a regular here. That calls for a “yellow flag” of caution……….
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One last bit of info I’ve discovered with my diary at DKos…
It was number 2 for “high-impact diaries” over the weekend! It had 341 recommends.
I’ll tally that one as a resounding “success”.
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I’m not saying it’s happening here, but if I were a shill like AA and my comments were being deleted, my plan would be to have “some other people” say, “Hey, why are you banning this guy’s comments? I want to see them!” And they would turn out to be names we haven’t seen before.
I’M NOT SAYING THAT’S HAPPENNING!!! … But that’s what I’d do, if I was Wally O’Diebold…
#46
All I’ve seen you say is that I’m funny, avoiding answering the very reasonable question I have posed. No one is reporting him to the DoD, opting instead to carp and speculate. Can you take a stab at why this is?
Big Dan, #51
Your caution is laudable, but in this case, IMO you could have skipped straight to the red. 😛
Shelley #54
You should read about psy op Northwoods (National Archives).
It is about a DoD plan to shoot down an American passernger jet, shoot innocent American citizens in the streets, and do some bombing of American citizens.
Why? To start a war.
So, you think they would not post disinfo on a website … ?
Shelly: I have no interest in your latest question but I can tell you why I think you’re funny. Have a look at this:
What’s funny? It’s all funny!
Look at your first sentence; it’s ridiculous on the face of it. Just because somebody works for DoD doesn’t necessarily mean he’s very good at covering his tracks. Here’s a good example of that. So that’s one reason why I laughed.
The second reason was because your inside-out defense is so lame. Imagine a defense attorney saying: “Even if he did commit a crime, my client couldn’t possibly be dumb enough to leave clues pointing to himself. So the evidence that seems to point to him actually proves his innocence.”
Any attorney who tried that would be laughed out of any court in the world. What makes you think it will work here? Do you really think we are all that stupid? Well I may be that stupid, but not the others! That’s another reason why I laughed.
So you were two-for-two at that point, and the unicorn reference scored you the hat-trick, Shelly. After all that nonsense you throw in a gratuituous ad-hominem cheap-shot. As if we’re not smart enough to see that for what it was. LOL again!
So these are some of the reasons why I think you’re funny. Thanks again for bringing a bit of humor to the blog.
OK? Good! Run along now — there are plenty of other places where you have to spread your manure today, aren’t there?
Shelly #54
WP in his post #57 has a link that is not in the context of EVM’s (electronic voting machines), however, Floridiot and I are tracing a lead to the DoD which does involve EVM’s.
In fact only one individual has certified EVM’s in this nation of 300 million people, and thousands upon thousands of EVM’s.
He works for a software company (actually he has “worked for” every ITA ever certified by the EAC) that has as its single largest client the DoD, and which said company certifies EVM’s.
The EVM makers pay his “employers” to certify their EVM’s.
Here is the thread here on this blog where we are sniffing everywhere it stinks:
https://bradblog.com/?p=3052#comment-86741
Read down thru the comments as we have fun and dig deep into the reality that elections have been controlled in the US for quite some time.
And yes, the DoD has been involved to a degree we still do not know. His name has been scrubbed quite well but we are still looking.
… Nunyabiz said on 7/17/2006 @ 6:34 pm PT…
Daily KOS sucks bigtime, they flaty refuse to discuss what really should be the ONLY 2 things that any Democratic website should be discussing.
Election/Voter Fraud & the fact that this administration is guilty of mass murder & treason (9/11).
If KOS isn’t a republican shill they might as well be.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
#57
If you really believe AA is a DoD employee, DO something about it. Or tell the the ones who keep repeating that to DO something about it, besides rolling around in it. Otherwise you just look like gratuitous and indulgent fools.
Shelly we do not need to be told what to do, certainly not by you. Bye bye.
Chris #59
Your’e Welcome, glad to see Im not alone in thinking that, I have had my doubts about DKos since 04′ s-elections.
I would bring up the very real likelihood of election fraud before the 04′ election and be screamed at like I was some kind of nut.
And to even mention 9/11 I felt as if I were on some Far Reich wing Freeper site.
Something is not right there, doesn’t add up.
Markos who runs DailyKOS has admitted he was courted by the CIA, whatever that means. he says the CIA are “nice guys” overall and that a lot of them are democrats, as if that matters at all. hes a shill of the highest order.CrooksandLiars.com and KOS are both gatekeepers. thank god for sites like BradBlog.com that still allow open debate and free speech. can you imagine? a “liberal” blog like C&L deleting all comments that have anything do to with 9/11? its insane.
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Nunyabiz:
It’s getting much better wrt “election fraud” and e-voting issues at DKos.
There have been a number of recommended diaries on the topic recently. People are now getting it there — even if the front pagers still avoid the topic.
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Chris:
I think you have misrepresented Markos’ interaction with the cia, and you also praise this site’s respect of free speach on a thread with deleted comments.
Kos is a great site imo.
KOS is a gatekeeper who regularly deletes comments about vote fraud and 9/11. he is slightly less offensive that C&L.
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Stop George said: “”It’s getting much better wrt “election fraud” and e-voting issues at DKos.
There have been a number of recommended diaries on the topic recently. People are now getting it there “” even if the front pagers still avoid the topic.””
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If so thats good, i’ll have to take your word for it because I have not been back to DKos for over a year.
I got so disgusted I vowed to never return.
However I was listening to Mike Malloy just about a 3-4 weeks ago and he slammed the hell out of DKos for stating that ALL diaries & responses that have anything to do with election fraud & especially 9/11 will be deleted & banned.
http://reprehensor.gnn.tv/blogs...Daily_Kos_9_11
I have ZERO respect for a so called democrat that wont even listen to overwhelming evidence that this administration was complicit in a false flag operation on 9/11.
Disagree with it fine, argue about it, challenge it, discuss it, but to outright ban all information regarding 9/11 and or election fraud?
He can kiss my ass.
Those are the ONLY 2 things that should be discussed because really nothing else means a damn thing if both of those subjects are true.
I think ALL of us here agree Election Fraud is factual at this point, & I find it hard to believe that anyone cant at least question 9/11 because the Governments official conspiracy theory is full of holes, makes no sense & has nothing whatsoever to back it up.
Just so people will know, there is in fact such a thing as “overt surveillance,” in which an agency will deliberately let a party they want to harass know who they are and what they are (often just pretending to be) doing. Anyway, millions of people work at military jobs at computers, and they often blog. And some are neocon, some are fairly progressive, etc. So that’s no issue.
I bear the great indelible shame of not being able to post as DKos anymore. Boohoo!!! I have been posting at MyDD for too many years, and I get alternately praised by smart folks and slammed by fools.
I lost the very last of my marbles yesterday (9/9/06) when I showed this ladyfriend the long Prof. Steven Jones lecture about 9/11. I saw it many months ago, then saw it again yesterday. This ladyfriend was raised as a Mormon, and that added a special dimension to it. There is just no way this 9/11 WTC thing could have been done by just the 19 guys with box cutters. It had to be thermate, etc. But on Aug 6, ’06 we found this in “Breaking Blue” (MyDD):
file:///C:/My%20Documents/09991-060807/9-11ConspiracyBan_01/911ConspiracyBan%2001.htm
9/11 Conspiracy Theories Will Result in Being Banned (Chris Bowers)
As a public note, as a result of sifting through recent diaries, I just banned three people for posting 9/11 conspiracy theories. Posting such theories is, and will always be, a bannable offense.
Posted at 08/06/2006 02:21:44 PM EST
I have sent e-mail to Mr. Bowers, pushed my protests to extremes in my comments, and am surprised not to be banned yet.
But my marbles are all flat-out gone now. I have raged against computer voting since long before the ’04 “election,” and have now come to know in my heart that two national elections have been stolen and almost 3000 Americans have been slaughtered so that George Jr. and his buddies could make big bucks and play Hitler. And these big “liberal” blogs make fun of Bev Harris and banish people for speaking out against the 9/11 charade. I have started contemplating calling for a boycott on the 35 blogs I haunt against DKos and MyDD until they come to their senses.
I CANNOT TAKE THIS BULLSHIT ANY LONGER. IT MUST STOP.