READER COMMENTS ON
"REPORTS: GA Dem Primary Votes Flipping from Cynthia McKinney to Opponent Hank Johnson"
(108 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 12:36 pm PT...
Thanks WP for front paging this.I like Cynthia McKinney for all the reasons you stated. I want to see her win her primary, not get bamboozled by DIEBOLD.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 12:39 pm PT...
Aw shucks, Laura, you don't have to thank me for this! I like her too for a great many reasons.
Now that I think about it, Diebold machines probably prefer Hank Johnson for the very same reasons!
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 12:39 pm PT...
Why isn't the FBI looking at this stuff...oh wait...nevermind, liberals who speak truth to power are the enemy
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 12:41 pm PT...
Just saw this on the other thread - some one needs to video it if possible!
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 12:54 pm PT...
LOU DOBBS! PLEASE REPORT ON THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 1:00 pm PT...
SOOOOOOOOOO.... do I get a pat on the back, for first saying that I think Dem primaries are hacked? I mentioned, that I think the Dean-Kerry primary was hacked??? Well, here's your proof!!!!!!!!! This was probably happening way back in the 2004 Dem primary, and no one thought much of it, because e-vote fraud was not hugely talked about or exposed yet.
WP: Will you back me on this???
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 1:21 pm PT...
I'll back you on half of it, Big Dan #6. You get ONE pat on the back for saying Dem primaries are hacked but you don't get another for being the first to say it. Not here anyway.
I'll give you this:
Big Dan January 29th, 2006:
I was a Dean guy, btw, not a Kerry guy. I love Howard Dean. The MSM & GOP did their best to assure Kerry won the primary. Did anyone count the exit polls vs. the electronic machine counts in the Dem primary? I've been saying that for over a year! What's to say the GOP isn't controlling the Dem primary, to get the opponent they want? Anyone ever think of that? Do you think whoever's stealing elections doesn't mess with Democratic primaries? The same F***ing guys are controlling the machines in EVERY election, DUH!!!!!!!!
but you have to give me this in return:
Winter Patriot August 4, 2005:
In my opinion, true electoral reform must deal with primaries as well as general elections — and not just vote-counting in the primary elections, but the entire nomination process. What difference does it make if the general election is rigged, when the "contest" is between two candidates who both support the same crooked enterprise?
If the majority of democrats oppose the war, then why should their party be "led" by pro-war right-wingers who call themselves "centrists"? Is it because the primaries are as "fixed" as the general elections? I don't know; I'm just asking.
BTW I am not saying I was the first but I am saying you weren't. Not that it matters and it's all in fun and so on. Well... ok, it's no effing fun to watch this happen ... and some people blow off steam by making jokes ... so I will probably be really funny for a long time, starting now!
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 1:30 pm PT...
Here's a good one: Jonathan E. Kaplan writing for The Hill and explaining why McKinney should win easily. Note the headline:
McKinney is unlikely to face ’02 redux
Is this a candidate for Most Ironic Headline Of The Year or what?? I suppose that depends on what part of 2002 you remember most clearly, doesn't it?
Authors don't usually write their own headlines. So let's not jump to any conclusions about Mr. Kaplan.
Please just read the article, and note how Cynthia McKinney seems to have everything going for her ... except the one thing that can trump all the others.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 1:56 pm PT...
"...reportedly a single Diebold machine malfunction affected the performance of the entire sequence of machines assigned to that precinct."
Well, I guess that confirms the "hack one, hack them all" theory!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 1:56 pm PT...
Well, I suspect that McKinney can be trusted not to pull a "Kerry" (also known as a "Busby" now) and lay down and play dead. (Also known now as acting like a "spineless and/or ignorant Democrat" in the face of Republican electoral corruption.)
She's not the type to "not want to ruffle feathers" or be likely to "keep her powder dry" or any other such BS. This lady will tear them to pieces like no other Democrat we have seen yet in a race.
The crooks and thieves at DieBold may have made a big mistake by agreeing to take her out (under orders from the Rove or Cheney camp (or, perhaps in brilliant wisdom, from BOTH camps separately) no doubt).
This one could backfire on them and take down the whole f&^%ing house of cards.
GO CYNTHIA GO!!! Don't let them rip you off! Go down fighting. For Cynthia McKinney, I would drive to Georgia and go down fighting in the streets against those bigoted, ignorant southern Republicans.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 2:24 pm PT...
Well thankfully this is happening to a Democrat with a SPINE so Im sure she will jump right on it and get this crap taken care of.
Im surprized the Neofascist are even trying this manure on her, they have to know she is going to expose them.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 2:43 pm PT...
"Mr. Chairman, I have a question"
Representative Cynthia McKinney Rocks
Rumsfeld on War Games
[Phones started ringing early on the morning of February 16th. Representative Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, newly returned to Capitol Hill for her sixth term as a member of Congress was, within minutes, going into a House hearing on the Defense Appropriations bill and she was going in loaded for bear… or goose, depending on one's viewpoint. She asked me how quickly I could email select documents establishing that as many as five wargames were simultaneously underway on the morning of Sept. 11th, 2001.
Hurriedly I made contact with her staff and forwarded a number of PDF files so that when her time came and on national television, McKinney could finally, in a public forum, hold those responsible for 9/11 accountable with the proof in her hands and demand an answer. These were the same files I had acquired during my research for Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil. McKinney was to be well-armed with assistance from other tenacious 9/11 researchers and there would be no escape.
For those of us who spent years investigating 9/11, the research and evidence we have compiled will always be within arm's reach, awaiting these golden moments. As new threats and challenges overtake us and demand our focus in "the now" we stand ready to jump on any miracle that presents us with an opportunity to remind the world that murderers still walk free, still in power. Like blades of grass growing steadfastly up through the sidewalk we will never surrender our ability to speak truth to power.
God bless Cynthia McKinney
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 2:44 pm PT...
Transcript of Representative Cynthia McKinney's Exchange with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers, and Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) Tina Jonas, March 11th, 2005
Representative Cynthia McKinney Grills Rumsfeld On Dyncorp Sex Rings, Missing Pentagon Trillions & 9/11 Wargames
C-Span | March 24, 2005
Rumseld and Myers forced to shuffle uncomfortably and fumble for words as McKinney gets in their face about three issues seldom mentioned in official circles.
From a reader: Here is a Video of Representative Cynthia McKinney's Exchange on the House Hearing on FY06 Dept. of Defense Budget, March 11th, 2005.
Watch how McKinney asks questions about Dyncorp slave rings, the 3 trillion missing from the pentagon and the 911 wargames.
Notice the faces Rumsfeld, Myers, Jones, Hunter and others make!!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 2:46 pm PT...
fyi, the 3 trillion that went missing from the Pentagon went missing on Sept.12,2001. any wonder why it was pushed under you cant make this shit up.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 2:49 pm PT...
damn,it ate my comments. i meant to say, the 3 trillion that went missing from the Pentagon went missing on Sept.10,2001, not Sept.12. Rumsfeld himself made the announcement on 9/10/01. gee, i wonder how they got their timing down so good? foreknowledge anyone?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 2:57 pm PT...
When one puts together all the known evidence surrounding 9/11 it actually becomes a comedy of errors, they did a horrible job of covering it up BUT since the MSM is complicit they have gotten away with it "so far".
Fortunately that is changing daily, those that deny this administration is guilty of 9/11 are in the minority now.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 3:48 pm PT...
THEY'RE GOING TO HACK THE CLINT CURTIS DEM PRIMARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 3:51 pm PT...
Damn you, WP! Well, at least I thought of it independently, albeit after you.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 3:54 pm PT...
WP: ONE pat from you...is OK by me any day!!!
Notice this: Whenever it's a Republican vs. a Dem, all the errors benefit the Republican. When it's a Dem primary, all the errors seem to be against the outspoken liberal Dem.
Now, what are the odds of that? In the millions?
EVERY TIME??????? COME ON!!!!!!!!!
You know what my problem is? I'm not stoopid........
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 3:57 pm PT...
btw...WP...you must picture me saying, "DAMN YOU, WP!!!"... ala the ceiling camera view when Jon Stewart raises his fists, and says, "Damn you...(something)" Also, heavy echo and volume on the "DAMN YOU...."
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 4:11 pm PT...
Let's recap: Every friggin' important election, primary or not, is being compromised by electronic voting machines. Busby/Bilbray, McKinney, several primaries were overturned after hand recounts, this is the democracy we're spreading in Iraq? (reason #3 why we're in Iraq)
Brad nailed it: TRAIN WRECK IN NOVEMBER!!!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
make it happen
said on 7/18/2006 @ 4:12 pm PT...
Where are the reports of this? I only see a link to a thread on DU.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
make it happen
said on 7/18/2006 @ 4:16 pm PT...
Oh sorry I see cannonfire is reporting too.
Man why aren't more blogs picking this up.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 4:25 pm PT...
make it happen #22
I've been looking for other news too. Coming up empty.
It took a long time to get into DU, but found nothing there either.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 4:42 pm PT...
make it happen
Cannonfire still has the same info as this morning, DU has it hid - going to their front page you can't find it.
I want to know what's going on now! It's about poll closing time, if they aren't already! What happened with the lawyers and the guy who couldn't vote because they claimed he already had?
As of a few minutes ago no updates at Cynthia's site either.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 5:06 pm PT...
Big Dan #18 & #20 Don't worry --- I didn't take offense or anything! And re #19 Thanks! that's very nice of you to say that.
Make It Happen #22, #23, Bluebear2 #24, #25: there hasn't been much else except this ... but we hope to have more for you later in the evening if possible. Please stay tuned to this thread for more details.
re my #8: On "sober second thought", I think I must have been exaggerating a bit when I said that the article I linked to in that comment showed that she had "everything going for her … except the one thing that can trump all the others" ... she doesn't really have as much going for her as I suggested, but she is/was expected to win handily.
And you will note that this information is conspicuously absent from the piece in the Atlanta paper which I quoted above (in UPDATE #3) ...
More insidious perhaps in the paper's twin insinuations: that McKinney's chances were gravely damaged by her "tussle" ... and that she had already been voted out of office (as per the final quote in the piece)
It seems to me I've heard that song before / It's from an old familiar score...
Busby lost because of a last-minute gaffe. Yeah, right.
Dean lost because he screamed. Yeah, right.
Kerry lost because of his reaction to Osama's election-eve video. Yeah, right.
Democrats often seem to lose because of mistakes they made after the final pre-election poll but before the election itself. Did you ever notice that? Does that smell fishy ... or what?
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 5:18 pm PT...
Charlie L #10
Why not, you have!
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
make it happen
said on 7/18/2006 @ 5:30 pm PT...
Thanks Winter Partiot. Do you think Busby won CA50? I know the polls were against her and the district is a Repub strong hold but the way you worded that comment it looked like you were saying Busby won and the loss was being artificially blamed on a gaffe. I'm wondering if there are any reports I could read that suggest Busby might have won not for a campiagn mistake. I was under the impression the CA 50 fight was about accountability across the country, if you think there is a chance that Busby won I'd be excited.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 5:31 pm PT...
I've been trying to spread the word, and I think everyone should help:
If you know anyone in a Diebold district in the upcoming elections, tell them to bring a video camera to the voting booth! We NEED video proof and wouldn't it be incredible to see multiple video sources become viral video within hours of the next crooked election?
Maybe not NEED, but it certainly would help.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 5:41 pm PT...
"What did the President know and when did he know it?"
~ R E M E M B E R 09/11/01 ~
Emma E. Booker Elementary
The guard dog that did not bark.
This was a publicized event. In fact, it was a big deal in Florida. The press had been invited to Emma Booker Elementary to watch the President and the kids read. It was announced almost a week prior. In fact, the White House had a press engagement already scheduled to occur at 9:30am that Tuesday from the school. Scheduled the day prior to be broadcast live, across the Nation.
IF we are to believe the reports of that day, and really who doubts the events, the President was made aware of the first plane strike BEFORE he went to the children. The second plane strike minutes later after sitting with the children. Andy Card's own report says he said to the President, "America was under attack." Shortly after, the President prepared a statement for the public. Bush delivered, on time (9:30am) his address to the Nation, "America was under attack." His motorcade left Emma Booker Elementary at 9:34am, the Pentagon was struck minutes later.
THE DOG DID NOT BARK
The guard dog of the President is the Secret Service. Their roll is to guard and protect the President at all costs. To ensure that ALL locations are secure both prior to arrival and during. The S.S. ARE the first line of defense for the President during times of immediate and imminent crisis, like an attack on the Nation.
IF we are to believe the events of that day, then we are to believe that the S.S. had the interests of the Nation in hand and were acting to protect the President, at all costs. However, the S.S. did know prior to Bush finishing the reading session, that multiple planes may have been hijacked, and the President was informed shortly there after.
IF there was a suspicion of multiple planes(20+ anomalous blips) being hijacked, one of which was not responding to Air Traffic Control:
HOW DID THE SS KNOW THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS SAFE IN HIS PRESENT LOCATION?
WHY DID THE SS FEEL THAT LEAVING THE PRESIDENT IN A PUBLICIZED LOCATION WAS THE BEST SAFETY MANEUVER?
HOW WAS THE SS TO GUARANTEE THE SAFETY OF THE PRESIDENT KNOWING THAT MULTIPLE PLANES HAD BEEN HIJACKED BY DOING NOTHING?
THE DOG, IT DID NOT BARK
Then why was the Vice President rushed to a bunker by the S.S. and not the President?
Many people point out that maybe they didn't want to frighten the children.
THEN WHY PROP THEM UP AS THE BACKDROP TO THIS GRAVE ANNOUNCEMENT, SCHEDULED LIVE, ON NATIONAL TEE VEE?
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 5:47 pm PT...
Make It Happen #28. Do I think Busby won? I have no idea. My bullshit-detector tells me she probably did, but I have no way to prove it.
The polls were not so much against her as you might think. The district is not as red as you might think. As for the "gaffe", have a look at an excerpt from Robert Parry's coverage:
In the June 6 special election, Republicans reported a last-minute surge of support after conservative media outlets trumpeted a verbal blunder by Democrat Francine Busby, propelling Republican lobbyist Brian Bilbray to victory by about four percentage points.
Notice that Parry's column was posted June 7th, long before the votes were "counted".
What happened? Did Busby really win? I don't know and I don't think we will ever know and IMO that's one of the great tragedies of our time.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 5:48 pm PT...
Chris comment 13
Thanks for that link, She's got some womanly cajonies!sp?
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 6:00 pm PT...
Big Dan #6
I am gonna pout if you keep this up. What, you don't have the faith baby?
You think something is wrong ... where say Lieberman would win over a peace chandidate?
Hey ... Big Dan ... this is soooooo yesterday.
Electronic voting machine defects were protested for decades (1988 EVM Article).
The media gave up on reporting about it in 1985. Government watchdogs knew about it then (1988 NIST EVM report).
Operatives of the DoD system have been inspecting and approving voting machines as far back as Floridiot and I can see: (Brad Blog Link).
Dan ... wha ... ?
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 6:02 pm PT...
indeed she does. McKinney is a very brave woman and one of the few politicians i have any real respect for.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 6:14 pm PT...
Can site monitors be contacted to answer questions about Bradblog or is Brads E-mail the only available contact. i.e. does agent 99 have an E-mail or direct line?
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 6:18 pm PT...
However much we wanted a Kerry win, most of what we were able to prove then, and now, is zip. All our champions like Kennedy and Palast do admit to that. Not enough to prove in court, especially a rigged Ohio court.
Clint Curtis told me we'd never find the proof, the shifted votes, and I believe him. The rest is legal disenfrenchisement, or votes we can't replace. Like people who left after hours waiting to vote.
As for Dean. However much we appreciate him for many reasons, and the current fifty state strategy, his was a well-financed ad campaign not realized on the ground in Iowa. When Iowans heard that the basis for his approval, the 'against the war from the beginning,' really the same IWR rationale as a leverage for inspections as the others (except Kucinch), the disingenuousness of his position seemed to take hold.
Iowa caucus was raising hands and speaking aloud.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 6:19 pm PT...
... and there's this from Ms Magazine (bottom of the page)
According to Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney (D-GA), there have already been numerous problems with Diebold voting machines just hours into voting, including machine malfunctions that caused some voters to unintentionally vote for the wrong candidate.
The same passage crops up here as well. And that's about all for the moment, folks.
Nobody got nothin'!
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 6:29 pm PT...
Marjorie G #36
I disagree with your entire comment. There is evidence all over this page and all over Bobby Kennedy's Rolling Stone article, and the companies are being sued over this stuff. More and more evidence piles up by the day; more and more indictments pile up by the day. Hey!!!
Please take the time to click around this site and you'll see for yourself.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 6:32 pm PT...
And, didn't they just get finished pulling all this exact same stuff on McKinney last time? Or, was I psychic again and unaware of it? Sheesh.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 6:54 pm PT...
Doug, nothing official, but you can check your inbox.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 6:54 pm PT...
I don't see anything in post #36 that looks truthful, either, 99. I don't see any history for "Marjorie G" in the logs ... and I don't see anything about her IP address in there either ... so apparently #36 was the first post ever here by "Marjorie G" ... Now let me ask you a question:
Does it strike you as just a little bit odd that someone's very first post on this blog would sound just like the propaganda we get from the voting machine manufacturers?
Do I have any evidence? No! I'm just wondering. But there's quite a bit to wonder about, isn't there?
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 6:55 pm PT...
Number 28: I don't know whether or not Busby would have won or did win, but this I know: when she made the 'gaffe", the San Diego Union Tribune ran with a headline suggesting that it would cost her the election.
THAT'S NOT JOURNALISM!
That's priming the pump, pure and simple.
So whether or not Busby would have won or did win, the parallel holds, I think, of the major local media outlet in an election preparing the ground for the right wing candidate to win, or to "win", actively trying to bias perceptions in a way that could both swing votes and could set up an alibi in the case of votes having to be artificially swung.
Obrador's insistence and Mckinney's apparent determination to stay on top of the issue as it happpens gives me hope that sooner or later, the election thieves will be caught red handed.
Gore and Kerry should stand shoulder to shoulder with Obrador in Mexico. I'm not holding my breath, though.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 6:56 pm PT...
Why, yes, Oh Frozen One, I was thinking the exact same thing!
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 7:11 pm PT...
MIKE MALLOY LIVES IN CYNTHIA McKINNEY'S DISTRICT, AND BRAD IS GOING TO BE ON IN A COUPLE MINUTES.
Our concerns may be being addressed in real time there.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 7:16 pm PT...
thanks for the reminder, 99.
Listen to Brad with Mike Malloy at 10:30PM Eastern / 7:30 Pacific at Air America Radio
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 7:34 pm PT...
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 7:35 pm PT...
Thanks 99 and WP, got it.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 7:41 pm PT...
Air America online not loading for me - stuck with squelchy AM. (No antennae)
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 7:41 pm PT...
Like most of the virtual trolls, it is just some more AI showing up.
Good pattern detection dude!
This has been going on since you were more little than you are now (see my post #33) ... well maybe don't see that post ... there is a time and place for everything ... including ignorant bliss ... however limited that time and place may be ...
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 7:47 pm PT...
"One of the most visited websites"! Gosh, thanks Mike!
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 7:48 pm PT...
"... including ignorant bliss … however limited that time and place may be..."
Oh how I long for those days in that place!
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 7:49 pm PT...
Dredd #49: I'm not sure I agree with you this time. It don't look like AI to me. More like AS!
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 7:58 pm PT...
BIG DAN #19
"Notice this: Whenever it's a Republican vs. a Dem, all the errors benefit the Republican. When it's a Dem primary, all the errors seem to be against the outspoken liberal Dem.
Now, what are the odds of that? In the millions?
EVERY TIME??????? COME ON!!!!!!!!!"
I sure have noticed that too!!!
It all depends on the total number of errors Dan. 20 errors in a row is over a million to one. 30 errors in a row goes off at over a billion to one. 40 errors in a row goes off at over a trillion to one.
They sure seem to have no trouble going up against those kind of odds over and over and over again and always winding up with a smile on their face. I sure wish I was that "lucky"!!!
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:01 pm PT...
Bob Young: you remind me of the South African golfer Gary Player and his famous quote:
The more I practice, the luckier I get.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:02 pm PT...
Brad and Mike Malloy are SMOKING!
I'm tickled pink, pleased as punch, stoked... SMILING WIDELY, WITH MY TONGUE STICKING OUT!
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:03 pm PT...
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:03 pm PT...
And it's kinda cool how Mike keeps telling his listeners to "Visit BradBlog.com every day" ... I hope when they come for a visit, they'll decide to stay for a while!
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:08 pm PT...
There's lots of Indian Casinos around here, come on down and with that kind of luck we can really score!
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:10 pm PT...
Oh boy do they have a winner on now - Jeff from Sacramento! Shoot I've got to find this guy - he's making it hard to admit that I'm from Sacatomato!
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:11 pm PT...
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:12 pm PT...
bozo? A very amateurish professional IMVHO
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:13 pm PT...
Eat him up Brad!
What a MORAN
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:15 pm PT...
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:18 pm PT...
Now that I've got to see!
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:19 pm PT...
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:21 pm PT...
"Jeff" had all the talking points but no presentation skills at all. Boy are these guys ever pathetic. How much do you think "Jeff" got paid for making that phone call?
And BTW how much do you think "Shelly" got paid for each of the posts "she" added to this thread? It used to be $5 per post but nowadays with inflation and everything ... nah! given who they are working for, they probably still get $5 per post.
It's too bad the way they get sent out here with no body armor while their fat-cat bosses are investing millions of dollars in foreign currency. Gives you a lot of faith in the system, doesn't it?
Well if we ever decide to find out how much per post the professionals get paid, I think we should ask "make it happen" --- the cream of the current crop.
But I digress.
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:37 pm PT...
I think your pay estimate is way too generous, unless they can only type 60 words per hour.
Otherwise you're way above the minimum wage and I'm sure that hasn't been raised lately - I mean the Politicians come first when it comes to raises!
You must be the one causing Target stores to leave Chicago!
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:38 pm PT...
Go Helen Thomas - I love you!
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:44 pm PT...
oh no Bluebear2, it's not their typing that runs at 60 words per hour. It's their "thinking".
Can't remember where I saw that $5/post mentioned but if I ever find it again I will post it.
What a pathetic way to make a living: They are all accessories after the fact on major crimes such as treason and mass murder. And all the $5 bills in the world won't save their pathetic little souls.
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:45 pm PT...
I am not sure I agree with you this time.
Reed lost on the machines ...
What does it mean?
Is he a wimp for not challenging? Not wanting a hand count?
Come on Charlie L and RLM ... voodoo rationale or luck of the draw?
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:47 pm PT...
Hey Dredd: It's ok if we disagree now and then. Keeps things interesting, no?
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 8:55 pm PT...
It was gorgeous, but short-lived, because they let that troll on and because my computer betrayed me at a most inopportune moment, and lost something I'd cut to paste somewhere important.
Now I'm giving birth to a full grown cow, again, right on my desk, and I've got a herd of them in my yard. It's starting to look like a feed lot around here, but, thankfully, it does not smell like one.
Gotta picture all this in your mind's eye... I'm not digitally picturable at this time.
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 9:14 pm PT...
"It's their thinking" LOL
At least a guinea pig won't crush a keyboard!
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said on 7/18/2006 @ 10:00 pm PT...
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said on 7/18/2006 @ 10:02 pm PT...
Nitey-nite, BB2! Sweet dreams.
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
said on 7/18/2006 @ 10:26 pm PT...
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said on 7/19/2006 @ 12:07 am PT...
I am sure you know that just because the preznit disagrees with you or agrees with you does not make disagreeing or agreeing right. Or wrong.
Disagreeing or agreeing is something any fool or genius can do or not do.
Disagreeing or agreeing is, in and of itself, a totally useless endeavor.
The test of any disagreement or agreement is the logic, or lack thereof, which backs up the disagreement or agreement.
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 1:43 am PT...
Nobody speaks truth to power like Cynthia McKinney. I'm almost positive I saw her in a video, many years ago, grilling somebody about the CIA involvement in selling crack cocaine. The room went crazy because so many people were trying to drown her out. Did anybody else here see that?
When she hits on an issue, it's certainly NOT flag burning, or all of the other non-issues that congress likes to keep us busy with. It's the REALLY BIG STUFF!
God bless McKinney. When we dump the machines, she can really let her hair down. (Oh, that's right, she better not change her hair style or the badge police might get her again"!
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 2:56 am PT...
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said on 7/19/2006 @ 6:06 am PT...
Wow, I am totally amazed that people who think like this and are so brainwashed actually exist! God help this nation should people like Cynthia McKinney actually be taken serious one day.
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 6:09 am PT...
#26 WP: That is excellent analysis. The MSM "prepares" us for outcomes, with statements like that. It is no accident. I had a link once, I wish I could find it, about the MSM articles "preparing" us for a Bush win in 2004. Remember how the MSM told us how the "get out the vote" for young voters was a flop??? And then it turned out to be false reporting??? The MSM was "preparing" us for a Bush 2004 victory, and then after the election, suppressed the exit polls vs. e-vote counts, and went around telling us the false reasons Bush won, such as the false "get out the vote" for young people flop, which was actually a success. Articles such as, "more blacks voting for Bush", really wierd MSM articles. I said, the biggest story of all, is how the MSM is complicit in 9/11 and vote fraud on e-vote machines. You need another MSM to report on the MSM...the MSM is supposed to watch the government, but who watches the MSM? I suppose WE do...
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 6:14 am PT...
In fact, this blog should do some investigation on how the MSM "pushes" false excuses to cover up injustices. The question is: Is it because the MSM is lazy and stinks? OR...because they are complicit in covering things up? It's one or the other, I don't think it's a "little of both"... In fact, I think the people who push that the MSM is lazy, are actually covering up for the MSM being complicit!!! Ever think about that???
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 6:34 am PT...
Dredd #33: I still consider myself a newcomer to all of this. At least give me credit for thinking of these things, albeit late. It's a step in the right direction! More people should educate themselves on the lies and deception in the MSM, and the suppression of important topics. I only did, in the last 2 or 3 years. But once you learn, it's easy to detect. I always recommend Al Franken's "Lies, and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them", and "The Republican Noise Machine" by David Brock.
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said on 7/19/2006 @ 7:04 am PT...
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said on 7/19/2006 @ 7:39 am PT...
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said on 7/19/2006 @ 8:22 am PT...
Thank you for being believers in this site and the issue, Winter Patriot and Agent 99, but just because I believe our Democracy has been rigged at the voting booth, as well as our inability to prove it in Ohio in 2004, does not make me the enemy. Just a two-track thinker.
We need fewer parrots in our movement if we are to be effective. It is very difficult to stop the privatization of our elections. Knowing just how hard to prove, makes me work harder in NY to stop electronic voting. DREs will win by default without active protest, and may win anyway because of the money and momentum.
Our good government goups like Common Cause, NYPIRG and Citizen Union do not want to involve themselves in the choice of technology: between PBOS paper ballots and touchscreen, the two choices given us by our legislature to replace levers, a superior technology. These will be chosen by counties all over the state, separately, and vulnerable to vendor pitches. The groups prefer to prattle on about access, only, and may be compromised by their funding.
Even with the great stuff by NYU's Brennan Center, they say only a few randon audits will cure the day. Kinda like Strangelove, and how I learned to stop worrying about and love the bomb.
Universities, like NYU, are funded by corporations. Our Mayor Bloomberg is the ultimate corporatist. What he says goes and he loves computers without paper trails, because planes fly with them. He's made a fortune with a computer gizmo.
We need to know how really hard to stop these, or prove in court. We still don't have discovery in Ohio on those 2004 machines, and not one look at the GEM tabulator. Stopping this will take more than one hero falling on a sword.
Now, get to work everyone, off your computers and join a voter activist group, if you haven't. Register voters. Sign on as a poll worker. Anything. Just don't accuse any of us gray-haired thinkers, who see gray in situations, as the enemy. Or being machine manufacturers. We'e doing the hard work.
Many thanks to Brad and Brad Blog. You've been invaluable, heroic and stellar. I lurk a lot.
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 8:34 am PT...
Hi Marjorie G and thanks for the clarification. If, as you say, you lurk a lot, then you know that we are always being visited by people who are trying to push their company's agenda. I apologize for misreading you if that's what happened.
I still don't see the point of much of your initial post though. Do you have some inside information about Iowa? I mean, you're parroting the corporate media line about how John Kerry got the nomination in the middle of a discussion where people are saying the primaries are rigged.
So how does that square with what you've just said this morning?
COMMENT #88 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 9:50 am PT...
I was trying to clarify the caucus process, as opposed to electronic voting, or more regular voting, regarding the Dean comment.
The Dean fans, however passionate about important issues, couldn't see the progressive or anti-war in Kerry, and have given us problems extending to this day. With all our other problems about unifying and being effective as a Democratic party. I don't won't to discuss that here.
I was also saying how much the Kerry camp tried to find evidence, whistleblowers and wanted to win. Knowing in our guts, and with increasing circumstance the places where results are suspicious in 2004, that doesn't always mean we knew enough, or now, to overturn an election by claiming stolen.
That was part of the circular argument on the blogs after Kennedy's article, started by Manjoo and the Nation, sticking with their original arguments. Not seeing the forest through the trees to needing reform and abolishment of the black box junk.
COMMENT #89 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 10:26 am PT...
Margorie G, if you are implying in ANY way that Kerry or "his people" were doing ANYTHING after November 2, 2004 in Ohio other than "keeping their powder dry" than you are either massively mis-informed or a pathetic liar.
If I misunderstood your fourth paragraph, the I apologize.
If you read Bob Fritikas' work or speak to him, you will know that Kerry took VERY bad advice from a local lawyer who did most of his work for Republicans and that the entire Kerry camp ignored solid information available in the blogosphere (because they distrust it so).
It is the common line of Republicans and DINOs and IDIOTS that "there isn't a smoking gun" so we can't fight these rigged elections. It's only by fighting these rigged elections EARLY and MASSIVELY on MULTIPLE FRONTS that we will GET the smoking gun. It's like saying "I don't know for sure who shot you and stole your car, so I won't investigate." Buy, hey, I have this bullet hole and my car is missing, so maybe we should look around a little? "Nope, you have no proof you were shot, you might have been born with that bullet hole, and how do I know you ever owned a car?"
Kerry was a total sell-out who left $40M+ on the table when our Democracy was at stake. He couldn't find some "get out the vote" activites to fund? He coldn't do some handouts in downtown Cleveland? He couldn't throw a big party in New Mexico and put a Kerry banner behind the stage? And then, to concede the next morning without so much as a "let's see what's up with these provisional ballots, shall we?" Pathetic.
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 10:45 am PT...
I do know more than you think, willing to be open-minded, and I have spoken with Fritakis. I know that the whole unfolding has been career-making for some, whatever good work they have done. I also know that Kerry couldn't have done anything to please you enough if he couldn't prove the unprovable.
And he never will, to you, and to many.
The lawyer who spoke with me has been with him for years, and very much thinks he would have been a great president, that he cannot lie. Imagine, not naive and cannot lie. He also did not have $40 million to spend, and the proof we now have but inconclusive. What is a BCCI prosecutor to do? That finally fell on someone's misstep, and hope we are eventually as fortunate.
Consensus of maybe 30 lawyers, not just one, was that we couldn't pursue through the Ohio courts. Still do not have discovery on the fabulous Bonifaz's lawsuit.
Waiting for a banner wasn't why wouldn't Richardson wouldn't allow a NM recount. You should ask him. His, or Hillary's 08 designs? There was a lot of that going around.
No doubt Kerry took some bad advice along the way, but wanting a win when even Clint Curtis says you won't find any of the vote shifts, meant proof was hard to find or votes impossible to reconstruct if people walked away.
COMMENT #91 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 10:51 am PT...
Marjorie: did I read that right?
The Dean fans ... couldn't see the ... anti-war in Kerry
I admit to a certain amount of ignorance about John Kerry, but --- like millions of other Americans, I'm sure --- my most vivid picture of him from the 2004 campaign comes from the first "presidential" "debate", in which "the anti-war in Kerry" manifested itself as "I HAVE A PLAN to send more troops to Iraq. I HAVE A PLAN to get more of our allies invoived in Iraq."
Need I remind you that this is a PRO-WAR position? I am not a "Dean fan" --- in fact I am decidedly unaligned --- but I can sympathize with anyone who had trouble seeing "the anti-war in Kerry" in the fall of 2004.
Unless I am making a massive error in reading the situation, "the anti-war in Kerry" pertains to Vietnam.
Or maybe "the anti-war in Kerry" merely refers to his refusal to mention any of the dozens of issues on which the "president" was vulnerable.
Maybe the reason why John Kerry made it through the whole debate about foreign policy without ever saying "PNAC" ... was because of all "the anti-war" in him. Yeah, that's probably it.
COMMENT #92 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 11:58 am PT...
If you read comment #26 and see "Dean lost because he screamed. Yeah, right!" it's entirely possible to think I meant "Dean lost Iowa because he screamed."
But that's not what I meant.
Maybe he did lose Iowa because he screamed. I don't know. Maybe he lost Iowa because the "anti-war in Kerry" was particularly brilliant that day, as seen through the eyes of an Iowa Democrat. I don't know.
I am not saying that Dean's loss in Iowa was because of voting machines.
What I am saying is this: After Iowa, when the media was full of "Dean Screamed!" --- which was basically a non-issue and everybody knew it --- then came the big states where the primaries are elections, not caucuses, and many more seats at the nominating convention are at stake, and Kerry sailed along like a bird and Dean sank like a rock and what I am saying is "Don't you find that a bit fishy?" As if one scream was all that could possibly matter in a presidential race --- especially one of that magnitude!
Do you think the majority of American Democrats spurned Dean because he screamed? Or do you think the vast majority of American Democrats have wanted to scream for a long time now?
Or do you think the primary results in many states could have been hacked, and the resulting huge shift to Kerry could have been attributed to the scream when it fact it was caused by something very different?
In other words, I am saying it looks to me as if the Democratic primary was fixed, not in Iowa, but certainly after Iowa.
Big Dan, for a new guy you're doing pretty good. I've been watching elephants screw around with the donkey primaries for decades. Oh sorry, "screw around" is not a polite term. The correct name for what they do is called "subversion of democracy" and it predates electronic voting machines by a long way. That's why the whole idea of running our elections on EVMs is so crazy to begin with. And guess whose idea it was?
Here's my idea:
PAPER BALLOTS / COUNTED BY HAND / IN PUBLIC / ALWAYS
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 12:19 pm PT...
I am talking about the IWR debated endlessly as a vote for war, when it wasn't, but something tactical to get in the inspectors. Dean understood it that way.
The IWR was a lose/lose for the Dems, and when Bush went in, against what the Congress intended, there were no good ways to get elected and to get us out. Remember Kerry's regime change quotes in the White House and what he said prior to the IWR vote.
The media would never allow you to like Kerry or as the NYT said, after putting ourselves on war footing, we never looked back.
If anyone understood the Cheney and Rummie from Nixon days, or the new crowd, it's BCCI Kerry.
We also had to get support from our progressives who wanted to hear more than what he could say and get elected. Remember 75% of Kerry voters were correct on the facts, and Bush voters 75% wrong on the facts. We needed some of those who were afraid Kerry would pull out of Iraq, and still don't have the facts.
Just saying that getting those people out of doing harm was more important than what you wanted to hear, pitch perfect. From a guy who is forthright above all else in his skin. A tough campaign all around. Now he would probably chuck all the advisors to at least let Kerry be Kerry...
COMMENT #94 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 12:56 pm PT...
Yeah yeah yeah Cheney and Rummie and BCCI and the Winter Soldier and "How can you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" and everything all of it every little last bit of it ... I was dreaming and hoping and telling myself that things were going to change because here comes the big guy ...
But he didn't bring any of it to the table when it mattered, Marjorie. Not a smidge.
COMMENT #95 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 7:46 pm PT...
WP- How do you know he didn't bring more to the tabler than you saw? The blog echo chamber confirm whatever negative to make so many feel better by venting?
As much as he would have felt more comfortable outspoken, all the time, I do not know what would have mattered in this media freeze, fear campaign or vote disenfranchisement. The campaign was flummoxed, and the wrong campaign for Kerry, particularly. He was better than some generic Dem playing the margins. Maybe they had to? We'll never know.
Despite your resentment of Kerry, please take these two things to heart and mind. Just because you didn't hear him speak out on TV, or see four visits plus a day to various groups getting out the word, he wasn't coasting. Just going around the media.
Also, just because we are grateful to the people pushing our election issue, Palast and Fritakis, don't believe every exaggerated word.
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said on 7/19/2006 @ 8:59 pm PT...
Yeah, McKinney is the only national politician who openly supports the tyrannical ruler of Zimbabwe. Real truth to power talk there.
COMMENT #97 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2006 @ 9:49 pm PT...
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said on 7/19/2006 @ 10:26 pm PT...
Brian Carnel #96: Is that so? Let's see some evidence, if you have any.
And if it's not too much of an effort, kindly answer these two questions, if you please:
 How many national politicians openly support the tyrannical ruler in the Oval Office?
 Do you prefer tyrannical rulers at home or abroad?
COMMENT #99 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2006 @ 3:19 am PT...
BB2 Thanks for that link.
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said on 7/20/2006 @ 10:14 am PT...
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said on 7/21/2006 @ 7:15 am PT...
This is bigger than McKinney. This is about vote-flipping. Let's not talk about McKinney's record, that's distracting from the real issue.
SO IT'S OK TO FLIP VOTES IF MCKINNEY LIKES THE LEADER OF ZIMBABWE?
!!!!!!!!!!! WTF !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #102 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 7:16 am PT...
Actually, that is what that person is saying in their comment. That comment really means, "vote flipping is OK".
COMMENT #103 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 11:59 am PT...
Gee. . . another whining Democrat. What a shock.
COMMENT #104 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 12:20 pm PT...
Yo Bill: why is it that when Republicans complain about election irregularities they are "Standing up for their rights" and when Democrats do the same thing they are "Whiners" or "Sore Losers" ???
In other words, you can take your RNC talking points and go straight to hell. There's a nice warm corner there for you and your buddies.
COMMENT #105 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 12:48 pm PT...
Hey, Bill! I second Winter Patriot.
COMMENT #106 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 12:50 pm PT...
Does that mean it's time to vote on it?
COMMENT #107 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 12:55 pm PT...
"Without objection... so entered."
COMMENT #108 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 4:44 pm PT...
Yeah, Bill, we're "whining" about vote-flipping...we're "whining" about democracy being stolen. Yeah, well guess what? THAT'S SOMETHING TO F***ING WHINE ABOUT! And You should be whining about it!
I also "whine" when someone tries to kill me, I "whine" when someone steals something from me...wtf is with these people?????????