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"VIDEO - Brad Friedman and RFK on Court TV's Catherine Crier Live!"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2006 @ 10:12 pm PT...
Thank you so much, David! I have been pouting all afternoon and evening about not being able to see this, and I know a lot of other people will be so happy to have the chance to see it. Bless you.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2006 @ 10:18 pm PT...
Working in the cone of silence right now, so will have to view it in the morning.
Thanks David, I was hoping someone would put it up!
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2006 @ 10:21 pm PT...
BRAD --- FANTASTIC INTERVIEW! You and Bobby were terrific and I'm so glad all your hard work is finally getting out there.
I will link this to my blog and spread the word.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2006 @ 11:10 pm PT...
Hey! anybody want to punch Ann Coulter ?
Its a good one Link
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2006 @ 11:29 pm PT...
Brad came across very well ... articulate, good speaker, very, very, credible.
The subject matter was a difficult one for many people, and so Brad's credibility helped the cause.
It was a very brave and earth shaking segment ... if that does not really, really shake folk up ... nothing will.
The Lebanon/Israel war has saturated the MSM, but this segment with Brad and RFK, Jr. was a refreshing pause from looking at the same buildings and explosions over and over ... and a heads up that our democracy is also in a war for its very survival.
Neither of them minced words.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 2:02 am PT...
Bravo Brad and Bobby!
This lawsuit initiatve is a really important, but will it be in time to protect voter rights in the 2006 and 2008 elections . "May the Force be with you!"
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 2:37 am PT...
Not one, not two, but THREE people looking for the truth on the main stream media. A new record?
Catherine Crier is great for doing this. She did a segment on stem cells the other day and It was really something. She had some guy on trying to say that people who would use stem cells for research were Nazi's. Catherine was visibly angry at the fact that viable stem cells are being thrown in the garbage while others are being "protected".
"What a country!" Remember when that phrase used to have a VERY positive meaning for America! (five years ago)!
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 5:10 am PT...
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 5:24 am PT...
Floridiot... Now that I've wasted 45 minutes punching Ann Coulter in the face...
I've forgotten what I wanted to say.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 5:26 am PT...
great vid ,how big an audience does Court TV reach?
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 5:51 am PT...
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 6:31 am PT...
Its more than three, ain't it ?
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 7:10 am PT...
Keep yourself in the limelight, Brad, and keep hanging around RFK, Jr...he's "good people"...
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 7:12 am PT...
Larry, if you're looking for truth in the media, have you tried LINK-TV and FSTV? Democracy NOW! news??? Yesterday, Democracy NOW! news had Ralph Nader on live, for a very long time.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 7:30 am PT...
Bravo Catherine, Bobby & Brad!
Listening to the clip it struck me how shocking that piece would be to so many Americans, only because the MSM has ignored, no buried, this story for so long. Those of us who have been following this issue for so many years feel such a relief to see it popping up on TV and on the radio. The fact you don't hear about this on the networks should send a very chilling message to those who want to know more.
I encourage anyone reading these threads to read on about Kenneth Blackwell, the Secretary of State in Ohio, who almost single-handedly stole the election for these criminals. It's all a part of the public record through affidavits and congressional testimony.
The more of us who make noise, the less chance these crooks have of making their illegal and criminal takeover complete.
My hat's off to everyone here who have refused to remain silent on this issue, and thank you Brad for being the pile driver who's kept these discussions alive.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 7/21/2006 @ 7:46 am PT...
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 8:56 am PT...
Saw the segment last night... they were all great! I e-mailed Crier after seeing her origional piece on this. And I'll do it again today. It's odd how no matter how bad the news is, and keeps getting worst by the day, I still come back to the answer being " get clean elections , and things will start to turn around. Fast!" All our troubles come back to corrupt elections, period.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 9:01 am PT...
Thanks a lot! Catherine, if Diebold wants to sponsor your show, here's an ad that you might want to put on for them!
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 9:30 am PT...
Jeff J. (#15): Blackwell is a horrible and criminal perpetrator of election theft and other criminal acts, but it would be a mistake to say he "almost single-handedly stole the election."
Yes, he was definitely a major player in the theft of Ohio, which ENDED UP being the state that would have given Kerry the Oval Office. But let's not allow the BIG LIE to gain traction that it was only OHIO where there was vote election fraud going on.
Most researchers have solid statistical evidence that votes were stolen for Bush in as many as 30 states, INCLUDING STATES BUSH LOST (PA being the best example of that) and that the electoral vote allocations for 2004 are questionable in New Mexico, Colorado, Iowa, Florida, and elsewhere.
It is quite possible, that Bush didn't even win the POPULAR vote in the US, and that would mean over 2.5M votes "flopped" as well as the known disenfranchisement of an additional 2-3M.
Your point is completely valid that Blackwell is SCUM, but I don't want to let anybody fall into the trap of thinking they only stole ONE state (or even two) in 2004.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 9:44 am PT...
Charlie: Once again I agree with you but I also agree with Jeff. Even despite everything else that the Republicans did elsewhere in the country, Bush would not have "won" if he didn't "take" Ohio. Blackwell's "job" was to "deliver" Ohio to the "president" and he did. Had he failed to do so, John Kerry would have "won". So Jeff is right, in a way. But you are also right. It was clearly a nation-wide campaign to steal the election, and Blackwell was only a part of it.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 10:03 am PT...
The fact that the chicanery was orchestrated nationwide is too vile and creepy for most people to contemplate, I suspect. It gives me a crawly feeling of dread, even though I live in one of the last bastions of the hand-counted paper ballot, rural coastal Maine. Just imagine how urban progressives would feel if they admitted to themselves that every vote they had cast since 2000 was open to question because they can't know for certain how it was recorded. Aaaaargh!
Thank you, Bluebear2, for your helpful hint on viewing, a couple of threads back. I'll try that "Save" thing. The people on this blog are the salt of the earth!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 10:20 am PT...
Brad, Bobby, Catherine, thank you! I might allow myself to feel some hope again for a real America.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 11:17 am PT...
For newcomers, here is an article rebutting some of what you may have heard about experts who doubt that the election was uncertain (link here).
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 12:33 pm PT...
WP: Yeah, Blackwell definitely STOLE the Presidency for Bush. I just don't want anybody to forget that the crimes are MUCH broader than that. Oh, and Peg (#20)... YEAH! I have that "sinking feeling" in my gut all the time now when I realized just how badly screwed we are, and for how long we've been.
Dredd --- Great link at #22. What the authors of "A Deeper Look" point out...
"...he breezily dismisses many others, often by packaging them as straw men or by impugning objectors’ maturity, reasoning ability, or thoughtfulness."
Is very common when "experts" produce papers that attempt to refute solid arguments made about electoral fraud. Some jerk at SLATE tried to do it with RFK's article and I think it was Greg Palast who wrote a finely detailed and scathing "rebuttal to the rebuttal"
that tore the guy a new one with its detail and facts.
This has been a strategy of the right wing for over 20 years now and is well documented in BLINDED BY THE RIGHT and THE RIGHT WING MEDIA SPIN MACHINE.
It's an attempt to create the idea in the public's mind that there is a "debate" about something when there really isn't. It's a way of spinning a 90% to 10% proposition so that it seems like it's 50%-50%.
They even tried to do it with Global Warming, and if not for having POTUS as a cheerleader, they would be laughed out of the town square. Thousands of top-notch scientists versus one or two with clear bias (i.e. being paid by oil companies or lobbying groups).
SOMETIMES, there IS no "other side."
The need for us to be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that every vote has been counted correctly and that everybody who was eligible to vote and WANTED to vote was ALLOWED to vote would seem to be one of those things for which there should be NO debate.
Only paper ballots counted by human hands with counts posted locally prior to central aggregation and non-partisan management of elections in a TOTALLY TRANSPARENT method (other than secret ballot) will meet that criteria.
We have to VOTE this November (Democrats on the 7th; neo-cons and FOX-News-watchers on the 8th please, to keep congestion down at the polls) and MAKE THEM HAVE TO STEAL IT AGAIN. Then, we have to be ready for what we will do when they DO.
Start thinking folks about how YOU will act, and how you will MOBILIZE, when it becomes clear that in 10 or 20 or 50 close races, the results don't match the exit polls and Republicans or DINOs won all the "surprises" by 51% to 49%. Because, I can promise you, if your first thought is "I will blog about this" (other than Brad, that's his JOB!!!) we are DOOMED.
If we get the word on November 8/9 that we have been screwed by the Republicans AGAIN, we will have to be ready to DO something about it.
We will have to move MUCH faster, and MUCH more dramatically than we have in the past (Kerry, Hackett, Busby) if we are going to STOP THE GETAWAY after the ROBBERY. Oh, and those of you who think the courts will be of assistance, haven't been paying much attention in the last 25 years as the "Justice" branch of government has been well-stocked with cronies, criminals, and corporatists who have no love for Democracy, the Bill of Rights, or the rights of the individual.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 7/21/2006 @ 1:10 pm PT...
Brad and Bobby: you guys rock!!! Personally i wish we could make this segment into an infomercial and keep running it over and over on TV until it permiates the psyche of the uninformed/under informed masses. When a majority of people are talking about this as a #1 issue then we can enlist the help of good people to make some changes before the next wave of Bushit hacked electronic voting elections. This must be spearheaded along with stopping the massive humanistic fraud that has/is occurring within certain states such as the purging of legitimate voters. The SECRETARY OF STATE's ability to use his/her authority to manipulate a state's election UNCHECKED must be addressed.
Not forgetting about Katherine Harris who was Sec of State in FL during the 2000 Pres election which gave Bush his 1st stolen victory, State prosecuters must charge people like Sec of State Kenneth Blackewell in OH for using his office to steal the Ohio election. He must be hauled off to court and held accountable for his part in hijacking our Democracy in the Bushit OH election and Bushit OH recount which gave Bush his 2nd rigged Presidential term. Thank you Ms. Crier for your invaluable contribution reporting what's really going on.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 1:16 pm PT...
Said this on another thread but what the hell:
GREAT JOB, Brad & Bobby!!! Both were very good & managed to say quite alot in the too-short time allotted.
Court TV usually airs sensationalist drivel but it's watched by millions, so I was thrilled to see them on.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 1:50 pm PT...
Peg C #21
Your most welcome - any time I can help.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
Fancy Pants Elitist
said on 7/21/2006 @ 2:14 pm PT...
Wow. Fantastic job. Kudos to all three, but in some ways especially Catherine for showing some cojones and taking this issue on.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 2:14 pm PT...
I'm serious when I say this: Brad & RFK, Jr. are a match made in heaven. You two belong together, fighting lies, misinformation, and evil. Thank you, guys. I (we) really appreciate it. I believe both of you are very honest people. Some people to look up to, in a time where it's hard to find people to look up to...
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 2:15 pm PT...
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 2:22 pm PT...
Frankly, I think Brad needs his own show...He's a natural and brings substance and a wealth of knowledge to the discussion. Glad y'all liked the interview. The one thing I keep hearing about CC, RFK & BF is that we need more of it on the MSM and on television. Well television runs on ratings and topics live and die by ratings. If you want to support Crier's continued advocacy for change, pls tell your friends to watch the Crier Wire on TV when it airs. It can usually be seen Tues, Thurs and Friday at about 5:45 Eastern time. No rest before election day....before this crap is stopped and fixed for good! Brad - You RAWK! \m/
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 2:30 pm PT...
Well, Tim, you could schedule a debate between Brad and Michael Jackson over election integrity! That would make it juicy enough to get the needed ratings AND the message across. Oh, and thank you.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 2:50 pm PT...
Tim #31 said:
"No rest before election day….before this crap is stopped and fixed for good!"
NO. NO. NO.
That's the mistake we seem to be making. We (and the candidates and staff we support) pace ourselves for this battle thinking it ends on election night.
Pace yourselves to spend NOVEMBER 2006 in some kind of BATTLE FOR DEMOCRACY! Maybe it's in the streets. Maybe it's on the phone with friends, associates, cold calls, politicians. Maybe it's online (though I think that will NOT be enough by a long shot). Maybe it's in basements and secret meeting places. It's hard to know where it will be fought, but the battle will just be BEGINNING on November 8, 2006.
This battle will NOT be won in blogs --- it will only be MOBILIZED and EDUCATED by them.
If we want our Democratic Republic back, we will have to take it back from partisan hacks like Haas, Blackwell, Harris and a thousand others.
Don't come here (or DU or anywhere else) on November 8, 2006 and wail and moan about how "they stole another one." Come here and ask "Where should I be? What should I do?"
HOPEFULLY some planning will have been done to anticipate the crime they are going to commit (even as we fight to stop them --- I'm not suggesting we don't do everything we can to PREVENT the crime) and what our reaction is going to be.
The enemies of Democracy are playing chess --- we can't beat them playing bad checkers. Democrats and anti-election-fraud people seem to be incapable of thinking two steps ahead! We shouldn't support a candidate in November who hasn't pledged their intention to fight for the votes to be counted and who doesn't have at least SOME plan for what to do on the day after the election besides disappear on a "well-deserved vacation."
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
Fancy Pants Elitist
said on 7/21/2006 @ 3:13 pm PT...
Tim, THANK YOU TOO! Please note there's an interview I had with Robert on this site:
Please let Catherine know about it. I did email her at her production website because her court tv email was bouncing. (did you know it was bouncing?)
I'm very, very pleased that Catherine is AWARE of this issue. You might have her interview Mike Papantonio at a future date, because he is the attorney that has filed the case and he has tremendous experience with this sort of thing.
And yes, Brad needs his own show. He's great on the TV.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 6:40 pm PT...
Thanks for the comments. You're so right: Brad IS a natural with enormous poise and presence, and THE best interviewer I have ever encountered in the media. He definitely needs his own podium.
I finally got this segment downloaded (1 hour 40 minutes!) and watched it with my Mum. Wonderful!
Thanks again Bluebear2!!
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 9:41 pm PT...
Glad to hear you got it! Nice and quiet when your phone didn't ring for an hour and 40 eh?
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2006 @ 9:44 pm PT...
THE BRAD SHOW - FIGHTING FOR TRUTH AND INTEGRITY IN ELECTIONS AND POLITICS
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 7/22/2006 @ 12:38 am PT...
Tim-CTV-Producer COMMENT #31
We who have followed Brad here and in his numerous media appearances are completely aware that he is not only an incredibly bright and articulate American Patriot but he could run rings around just about anyone out there if given the chance to have his voice heard on a regular and widespread basis. When you add to that the fact that what he is directing his efforts at, heart and soul, is nothing less than saving the integrity of our election process, the very essence of our democracy, it is incumbent on you and all of us to do everything we can to provide him the forum and "loudspeaker" he needs to get the message out. I absolutely love Catherine for what she is doing and for giving a voice to this issue but even she and Mr. Kennedy would have to admit that the latter day Woodward (god rest his former truth-telling soul) & Bernstein of election integrity issues is really none other than Brad Friedman. If you have any influence that might help push him further into the spotlight, I hope you will be the Patriot you sound like you are and do everything you can to make that happen.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 7/22/2006 @ 10:48 am PT...
Charley L #33
Democrats and anti-election-fraud people seem to be incapable of thinking two steps ahead!
Here is a parable for you :
Now Jesus was saying to the disciples, "A rich man [American People] had a manager [republican president and congress] who was accused of wasting his assets.
So he called for him and asked him, 'What's this I hear about you? Give me a report about your management, because you can't be my manager any longer [Polls, November Elections].'
"Then the manager said to himself, 'What should I do? My master is taking my position away from me. I'm not strong enough to dig, and I'm ashamed to beg.
I know what I'll do so that people will welcome me into their homes when I'm dismissed from my job.'
"So he called for each of his master's debtors. He asked the first, 'How much do you owe my master?'
The man replied, 'A hundred jars of olive oil.' The manager told him, 'Get your bill. Sit down quickly and write "fifty."'
Then he asked another debtor, 'How much do you owe?' The man replied, 'A hundred containers of wheat.' The manager told him, 'Get your bill and write "eighty."'
The master praised the dishonest manager for being so clever. For worldly people [republican party] are more clever than enlightened people in dealing with their own generation.
"I'm telling you, make friends for yourselves by means of unrighteous riches, so that when they're gone you'll be welcomed into eternal homes.
(Luke 16: 1-9, emphasis mine).
The "worldly people" [republican party] can get the job done by staying at home without voting against "the manager".
And they will if we let them. But we can't ask too much of them because they have been paid off.
The main thing is to get enough of the "enlightened people" to vote so as to make a large, embarrasing, and obvious margin to work with.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 7/23/2006 @ 3:27 am PT...
big dan #14
I have dial-up which makes it hard to download anything with graphics and sound like "Link TV". I've been hearing about "Free Speach TV' for years, but I only have basic cable and besides, my condominium won't let us have satellite.
However I have an "I-River" (sort of an I-Pod device), which is great because I can download Mike Malloy every day and listen to it on long walks I take.
It also has the additional feature of being able to automatically record one FM radio broadcast per day. I downwload "Democracy Now" every day and heard Ralph Nader this week too. He sure makes a lot of sense and also potentially saved my life!
I used to have a Chevy Nova that was recalled for a sticking accelerator.
Thanks Ralph! I blame an electorial system favoring the rich, not you, for the mess we're in. The Republicans would have stole it one way or the other in 2000. Like Clinton said once, they think those parking spaces in Washington are for them!
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 7/23/2006 @ 3:45 am PT...
I just loved how Nader, in 2000, kept drumming on the meme that there was NO difference between Gore and *. He was extremely effective in implanting it in entirely too many heads. Even in California, where I like to think we know better, I heard it being repeated. If that wasn't one of the stupidest, least insightful, most ill-considered and ultimately disasterous campaign slogans of all time, Einstein was an imposter and Betsy Ross outsourced her sewing to China.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 7/23/2006 @ 9:21 am PT...
Agent99 --- Don't forget that Gore won in 2000. There is very little question of that. He unquestionably won the popular vote and many thousands of Floridians were disenfranchised by the Republican machine and, of course, by the political Supreme Court decision...which are the only reasons Gore is not president. The NORC study reveals that Gore would have won by close to 50,000 votes. (The exit polls, by the way, gave Gore a 7.3 point victory.)
Nader's role was small stuff compared with disenfranchisement and a corrupt Supreme Court.
Also, Gore was part of a very corporatist administration, one that didn't have much of an environmental or anti-big business record, that advocated extra-legal entities such as the NAFTA, that devastated the cause of an informed public in supporting the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and supported corporate deregulation in general, that pushed for very draconian domestic spying program after the Oklahoma City bombings... From the perspective of a citizen advocate in 2000 and looking to future of the nation, it probably didn't look like a whole lot of difference.
And, although Dubya was obviously an idiot, nobody knew he would be this bad and an out-and-out fascist.
That said...Yes, it was an oversimplification of Nader. Personally, I gave up on Nader politically in 2004 when I just couldn't stand the ridiculous, incessant argumentum ad macho as a political principle. (You're not a man if you are a progressive and don't vote for me, basically is what he was saying - over and over.) Campaigns require some simplification, but that was ridiculous. I voted for Cobb, although in a "safe" state - one with no chance of going for Bush.
But let's let Nader do his Nader thing and respect what he is doing. If you can get beyond his political diminution (in my opinion - apologies to Nader voters whom I respect), you'll see that he is still a national treasure.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 7/23/2006 @ 9:29 am PT...
I said, "The NORC study reveals that Gore would have won by close to 50,000 votes. (The exit polls, by the way, gave Gore a 7.3 point victory.)
I mean in Florida, of course.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 7/23/2006 @ 12:52 pm PT...
I do not know that Nader caused the electoral votes in any one state to flip in favor of *, ergo giving the people irked with him solid grounds on which to bash him for losing Gore the race that he actually won, but I feel he's responsible for helping * seem more like a viable candidate by drumming the There Is No Difference Between Them meme. I feel that Nader had a big influence over the closeness of that election. Virtually every vote for him would have gone to Gore. I thought at the time, before election night, that Nader had ceased to care about our safety.
I don't want just these two parties. I want lots of parties, and I want other ones to be able to come to prominence, but I also want leaders and fellow citizens who are clear-eyed enough to discern the realities at work and the potential consequences. No way was Nader going to win, and there was too close a race between an intelligent man of probity and experience, and a moron with a checkered past and nearly zip for experience, proudly exhibiting his ignorance and heedlessness for all of us in his campaign.
The election was stolen. No question.
My point is: How many minds were made up about *'s fitness for the office by his No Difference meme, just chalking the idiocy up to poor-public-speaker, and voting for him? Seemingly way too many. I can still see the bumper sticker.
"AL AND GEORGE MAKE ME WANT TO RALPH"
I'm still suffering over the election of the Governator. What I'm driving at is that we do not seem to take the seriousness of these positions within our government into consideration anymore. Everybody seems to have forgotten the life-and-deathness of these decisions, including Ralph Nader.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 7/23/2006 @ 8:12 pm PT...
I certainly didn't think there was no difference between Gore and the fool and thought it was crazy that such a patent ignoramus could have any support whatsoever - that was my astonished view of the situation.
I just think, for example, Amy Goodman should have introduced Nader as "founder of Public Citizen and other citizen advocacy groups" rather than simply as "former presidential candidate" as Nader's primary importance to the nation has been as a citizen advocate.
I get tired of Nader as a celebrity but support his good work.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 7/23/2006 @ 8:19 pm PT...
Arry, I agree. I have no idea how anyone could have looked at Gore and Bush and believed what Nader was saying. But then again history has shown that people will believe just about anything, if they hear it often enough from people they trust (whether that trust is well-founded or not). And there were a lot of people who had (or thought they had) reason to trust Ralph Nader. Oops!
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 7/23/2006 @ 10:13 pm PT...
Arry, I agree, too. He has done a lot of good work. I never thought that I would come to have negative feelings about him, and had thought that he certainly would not have done that if he'd had a crystal ball, but then he became so obtuse about running AGAIN in 2004, and I'm all balled up in my feelings about him now. I'm also creamed behind the decimation in Lebanon.
I hope that Brad is in a tent somewhere high enough in the mountains to be temperate, and sleeping around the clock, only getting up long enough to eat something really nutritious before conking out again. Maybe lolling by a lake for an evening smoke, taking in the beauty, and recharging. He's going to have to get Superman and Spiderman and the rest of his gang together after his vacation, because we have an awesome load of work to get done very quickly.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 7/24/2006 @ 12:57 am PT...
After 54 years of life, I can't think of a single person, famous or not, that I first thought I would always be in total agreement with, forever, only to have them say or do something that shocked me later. That's just something we have to live with.
Of course I disagreed with Ralph Nader's saying Al Gore was the same as George Bush. It still makes me mad when somebody says that, but consider the fact that Nader knew more about the corporate control both candidates shared at the time.
I didn't have any idea about that control until Gore sided with Howard Dean in 2004, and blew the roof off the Democratic party. I credit Gore with being able to see the true grass roots train coming down the track. The leaders of the party are still blind to it. Hopefuly, they will wake up quickly, or be relegated to the past.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 7/24/2006 @ 1:48 am PT...
Arry and Larry
I would like to get in a room with Al Gore, John Conyers, Howard Dean, Bobby Kennedy, Mike Papantonio, John Edwards, Brad Friedman, Bev Harris, John Dean, Seymour Hersh, Greg Palast... sundry others... have a very long talk. It occurs to me that the biggest difference between those who are making life hell and those who would have it otherwise, is that they get together and make it happen. We could herd all those cats into one place for a few days to come up with good things. Between them there is enough pull to make it happen. People would get high on it. Hope and energy would stem from it. If I had the money, I think I'd pay for a meeting room at Asilomar, or somewhere like that, and bring these people together for the long powwow. It could make all the difference in the world.
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 7/24/2006 @ 10:05 pm PT...
It probably would be good. Could be historic if there could be agreement. Trouble is "liberals" and thoughtful people have a much wider diversity of opinion (and tolerance, as a rule) than the other side. They don't have the common thread of greed that runs through everything and that automatically sets the general direction. Although, maybe the concept of democracy and certainly saving the nation from presidential dictatorship...
I had to look up Asilomar and I'm a Californian.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 7/24/2006 @ 10:25 pm PT...
Agh! Arry! I'm sorry. I keep making people look up words (Chris Hooten, in side-splittingly funny posts). I thought Asilomar was world famous. It's a very comfy convention center.
I think there could be agreement. The situation is dire. The public is really starting to squawk big time now. The ABA is on the signing statement bit now, and that's civilians getting press against * using the Constitution for toilet paper. I betcha something fabulous could be hammered out at such a meeting, something historic. I can just FEEL it. Since I don't have the money, maybe I should start putting my list together, and making calls, see if someone else has the money, if the proverbial cats to be herded would concede to being herded. Maybe my sights are too high, but the stakes are higher yet!
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 7/25/2006 @ 1:22 am PT...
Agent99, I had to look up that word too. Google is great!
I think people are at a breaking point too. I for one am not at all comfortable with talk show hosts forcing me into World War III for no other reason but to be stupid white men, (to borrow a phrase from Sir, Michael Moore)!
I've seen a lot of good stuff on C-SPAN lately. I think the spirit you're looking for in a group was to be seen at the Harlem Book Festival forum on voting fraud. The speakers were "focused like a lazer beam" and just layed the fraud right out there for all to see.
The audience, (mostly black), were just sitting there fuming. We white people have to pick up the pieces of the civil rights movement that these racist jerks in the media and government have killed, and pick up where it left off in a big way. The energy is there!
I loved the passion by a guy sitting to the right of Greg Palast who was saying we're not going to let them steal the 2006 and 2008 elections acting like DAMN SHEEP!
If Gingrich wants his drug, civil, or world war, well he can have it.
If the president doesn't want to protect and defend the constitution, then we will!
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Get together, one more time!
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said on 7/25/2006 @ 2:34 am PT...
Yep! Let old blubber Newtie fight it if he's so hot to call it into reality.
World War Newtie (He'd lose.)