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"CNN's Lou Dobbs: Hand Counts in Iowa Kept Incorrect Op-Scan Counts From Installing the Wrong Candidates!"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 8/1/2006 @ 4:05 pm PT...
"Election integrity, it seems, is more important in some states than in others, we guess."
Maybe it's just that election integrity is more important when the results would favor a republican?
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 8/1/2006 @ 4:09 pm PT...
Well, the message is not getting thru to Santorum.
He does not realize he could hack the vote.
His latest strategy, short of that, is that he wants to support the Greens (and Indys, Libertarians, etc?) for the moment:
When Sen. Rick Santorum (R., Pa.) encouraged everyone in state politics to help the Green Party earn a spot on the November ballot, at least one group answered the call: Santorum donors.
Fourteen Santorum supporters gave $40,000 to fund a petition drive that has allowed Carl Romanelli to collect about 100,000 voter signatures to qualify for the Senate race. That's 33,000 more signatures than required, and double what independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader gathered here in 2004.
(link here, bold added).
Hey, this is a good sign. They realize that there is so much focus on these dastardly machines that such measures should only be used if the greens, libertians, indy's, and the rest, go against their wishes and vote for the party that opposes Santorum.
Santorum is a part of the republican dictatorship, and for whatever reason, true or false, thinks it can win with the Greens ... because if Santorum "supports Greens" they will support the republican dictatorship over Democrats.
I ask the Greens, et. al., ... is that true?
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 8/1/2006 @ 4:16 pm PT...
Lou, do you have the guts to say this:
"You know what, maybe the 2004 exit polls WERE right, and maybe the 2004 election WAS stolen." Can you say that?
Thank you for covering e-vote fraud, I sincerely mean that, Lou.
Actually, anyone who knows that electronic vote machines can be easily compromised, and by one person, KNOWS the 2004 election was stolen, and doesn't have to say it.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 8/1/2006 @ 4:51 pm PT...
Thanks again to Lou, Kitty and CNN. The consistant fobbing off by election officials and the e-voting companies when it comes to anyone mentioning keeping paper records speaks volumes. I can see Lou is starting to feel the sheer exasperation I feel and that Bradbloggers must feel much more than I. If this were New Zealand I'd be really desperate.
I read somwhere recently that the extremist side of the republcan party are now keen to rid themselves of of the moderates in the party who might not support some of the things they would like to do.
Its time for moderate republicans in congress and the senate to move against Bush before he has fixed the numbers with too many extremists for it to be possible. He wants to dismantle social security etc and knowing how relentlessly persistant he is he will do his best to weed out any dissent within his own party. Yes the voting machines may be used against moderates in the Republican party.
Even after Bush has gone in 2008 it will be the extreme right wing who long to abandon the poor and social security, who are in control of the machines.
So the time to jump ship would seem to be as soon as possible. Give the Democrats the numbers they need to get fair elections and your countrymen and women will love you. Otherwise you will either have to condone policy you are against or the extreme right will get rid of you via rigged elections.
Bushes popularity is pretty low so you can ignore the extreme right when they start Hollering.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 8/1/2006 @ 5:27 pm PT...
"...anyone who knows...the 2004 election was stolen...doesn't have to say it."
Ohhhhhh....yes, you do, m'friend..! Out loud and often.
Get Noisy, folks!!
Contact your local election boards and your county supervisors -whoever the hell needs to be slapped awake to this truly terrifying threat.
Make them take their jobs -and our basic rights -seriously.
My thanks to Lou Dobbs, as well, and Brad, and all the folks here in CA fighting like angry badgers, with passion and conviction, for Election Protection. And speaking of election integrity in CA - help make Debra Bowen our new Secretary of State.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 8/1/2006 @ 9:32 pm PT...
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 8/2/2006 @ 2:30 am PT...
I'm glad they covered this story. It's easy to understand and very interesting.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 8/2/2006 @ 7:43 am PT...
Thank you, Lou.
Lou, do you think the 2004 election was stolen???
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 8/2/2006 @ 8:59 am PT...
"Maybe it's just that election integrity is more important when the results would favor a republican"
Or to clarify.. we only care to "super duper verify the count" when a DEM wins (by any margin). If a Pug wins, "everything is fine, nothing to see.. move along"..
When will people wake up and get angry about the loaded dice we're playing with?
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 8/2/2006 @ 11:27 am PT...
The reason Santitorium wants the Greens on the Ballot is because he hopes to split the Dem vote, get the hippies that lost us the 2000 race to vote for Green and deny those votes to the Dem the other choice for a hippy.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 8/2/2006 @ 12:44 pm PT...
Geepers, Mike.. you make it sound like being a "hippy" is a bad thing.. You know, the guys that support "peace" and "love" and getting along and taking care of the planet so it continues to take care of us?
I guess I don't see how that's bad, considering the alternative in our political arena. Exploit and destroy (resources and lives) for profit.. suffering and war generate profits, so they are valued..
I'd rather be a hippy than a corporate raider any day.
And I suppose you are right.. The Republicans know they suck and people know it, and hope to get as many people in the race as they can to "divide and conqure", nevermind the "I'mma uniter, not a divider" spewed in the incessant stream of shit from Shrubby's mouth.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 8/2/2006 @ 1:19 pm PT...
We would never of heard about this if it was a Democrat. Are we ever going to get our democracy back.
Thanks again Blad Blog for keeping us informed.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 8/3/2006 @ 2:04 am PT...
You're a coward Mike!
You only criticize hippies because you think they're weak and won't fight back. The hippies, (who, by the way no longer exsit), fought the government and big business. The corporations feared them so much they started a 40 year campaign while hiding in the shadows to harass and antagonize even the good parts of the 60's youth movement.
You prissy little cowards would rather see everything in this country destroyed, rather then admit you were wrong!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 8/3/2006 @ 9:19 am PT...
You're right about that, Larry. The hippies were traumatic to the "establishment", so much so that it is still doing all it can to cut off or usurp any even minor resurgence (or honest - as opposed to rose-colored nostalgic - memory) of the honesty and subversive creativity they brought to U.S. culture.
BTW, many people don't realize that in the early days of hippiedom there was endless discussion of what was a hippie, what it meant to be a hippie. It was more of a conscious movement than some people realize, at least in the initial stages.
Mike, of course, is just a run-of-the-mill bigot.
Mostly Greens tend to be people who were once Democrats, Republicans - it's true - Libertarians, or Independents who have had their fill of corporatism and who see being Green as being honest about their own convictions. Many are well-educated, most are off the grid of corporate culture and are committed to building a society that takes into consideration the condition of the earth and the richness of healthy communities.
#2 Dredd - In reply to your question: no, that's not true. I don't deny there are stupid, short-sighted Greens. Unfortunately, there are. And many harbor a not unreasonable loathing for the Democratic strategy of trying to keep Green candidates off state ballots and the neverending work to keep Greens out of candidate debates. I will wager, however, the most PA Greens will vote to remove Santorum and not vote for the Green candidate. (This is Rick Santorum, for god's sake Sen. Santorum might be working on a strategy, but I don't think it will garner him many votes, relatively speaking. I believe the vote for the Green candidate will be negligable. I think Big Dan is on to something. None of us know the details, of course, but the big Republican election strategy, including election fraud, will obviously be to make the numbers appear as close as possible during election day so they can get that 1% with as plausible an explanation as possible.
Another subject --- why doesn't Lou Dobbs use a segment for that ridiculous election situation in Alaska? When talking to newcomers on the election integrity issues, I always bring that subject up. It always leaves them shaking their heads.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 8/4/2006 @ 6:04 am PT...
Time for Lou and Kitty to cover the election fiasco in Riverside County, CA on June 6th.
From the refusal to post the results at the precincts to the entering of paper ballot votes into DREs by election staff, to the loss of 17 memory cards, to baring official Election Observer Panel members from any meaningful observation, it is quite clear there is SOMETHING to hide.
And let's not forget the $13 million spent for new Sequoia Edge II machines when Napa, Shasta and Tehama Counties made do quite nicely with Edge Is.
The still water runs deep, and this case needs to get more daylight from the media.