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somebody has to be first…
9/11 conspiracy theorists energized
Five years later, purveyors claim academic momentum
http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATI....ap/index.html
P.S. Make sure you vote (on cnn )
And due to the timing consider this …
Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 …
http://www.sundayherald.com/37707
again.
and them theres this …
9/11 ““ WHAT WAS ISRAEL’S ROLE?
Fox News revelations point to an ominous conclusion
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j121701.html
Sounds to me like Tin Foil is becoming in Vouge . . . . . But can’t be too comfortable ! ! !
JOJ the first five years are the hardest.
in Vouge ,na Vanity fair would be closer…
http://www.vanityfair.com/featu...l/060801fege01
One of the first American officials to publicly acknowledge conspiracy theories in connection with 9/11 was President George Bush, who on November 10, 2001, in a speech to the General Assembly of the United Nations, said, “Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11.”
LMFAO
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning IRAQ
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning KATRINA
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning DOWNING STREET MEMOs
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning OUTING CIA AGENTS
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning ANTHRAX
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning DOMESTIC SPYING
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning ELECTION FRAUD
ETC.
Man, Mick, that’s pretty damning, when you think about it.
MMIIXX, I just have to add
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the plane crash of Paul Wellstone
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the Voting Machine Fiasco: SAIC, VoteHere and Diebold
… Scam to Vet Software? Link
Twin Tower wreckage turning up all over the place…
http://onlinejournal.com/artman...ter_1074.shtml
Re #s1 & 2
Results of that (ongoing) CNN poll:
“Do you believe alternative theories for the September 11, 2001, attacks are credible?”
Yes….73%….8967 votes
No….27%….3340 votes
Total: 12307 votes
MMIIXX #s 3&4
More on the same subject
Just yesterday I agreed with Agent99 that we need to recognize the common ground we share with many like-minded republicans these days.
I must admit, though, that the following, from James Boyce’s
“Lamont’s Campaign: How DC And The MSM Will FUBAR The Lessons”
strike’s a chord in me, too:
“…We don’t want Democrats who can break bread with Republicans, we need Democrats who will cut their opponents balls off and serve them back to them on a platter…”
Ok, I guess it’s the same wicked chord that twanged at the idea of mailing pretzels to dubya & his flying monkeys in Congress.
What can I say? I got a twisted chord!
Here’s a video (warning – people jumping and bodies) which shows a shot of the ground at the base of one of the towers. It is between 3:01 and 3:11 in the film. Notice the debris field and the “shadows” of the building columns. Now tell me there was not an explosion at ground level within the building!
Joan #14
You Little Devil 😉
George Bush Quote of the day:
“I Hear People Say, Well, Civil War This, Civil War That”
Joan
I think we have to make common cause with our fellow citizens who are registered Republicans, or leaning that way… basically everyone who is not hard right… say, from middle right all the way to extreme left… to boot out the criminals in charge of our country. I most certainly don’t include politicians in this idea, or their “handlers”.
Anyone who’s heard Tarpley on Malloy can pretty much figure that the same pressures are overwhelming everyone holding national office right now, and only a huge Democratic win, no holds barred, with numbers of insiders rounded up for treason immediately, will save us. This will mean the people will have to do more than support them at the polls. These guys will not go gently into that good night. They did not come in gently, and they have not been treating us, or anyone else in the world gently.
Joan #14 – Ya Just Can’t say it better than that!
Thanks to the letter inverter! 😉
Anyone hear the latest on the “Uncle Joe” lieberman race ?
What happend to the “!” after “that” in #19 . . . . . Letter inverter . . .
Another example of our automated world run amok:
May I have my car please?
(But we can trust the voting machines – no need to worry!)
I tell ya, I live to make you guys look good! 😛
JOJ #21
Lieberman Hack Attack “Disrupted Entire Campaign”
More
Agent99 – Hehehehhehheheheheh . . . Tnx!
http://www.rawstory.com/comments/17762.html
They’re going to open up a military amusement park with our tax dollars. I suggest some “lands” like Disney has “fantasyland”, etc…
“ABRAMOFF-land”, “NEO-CON-land”, “DIEBOLD-land”, “WATERBOARD-TORTURE WATER PARK”, “GITMO-land”, and “RECRUITMENT-WARS” instead of “star wars”. In “RECRUITMENT-WARS”, the ride is the ENTIRE PARK! The military recruiters target highschool age children at the admission gate, AND FOLLOW THEM AROUND AND HARASS THEM AROUND THE ENTIRE PARK, UNTIL THEY SIGN UP FOR THE MILITARY!!!!!!!!!!
…ALSO “FALSE-NEWS DISSEMINATION-land”……..
Looks like Haliburton and Cheney got their toes in the Doo-Doo again!
Big Dan
How about “Invisible Government Land”, or “Moles, Patsies and Killers Land”, or “Fascistland”, or “Oligarchy Land”, or “Puppet Regime America Land”?
“FALSE-NEWS INSEMINATION-land”
PSYOPS-LAND AND RIGHTWING-RADIO-LAND, with Hannity, Limbaugh, and O’Reilly…sponsored by FOX News.
Prediction:
“AMAZING, COME-FROM BEHIND WIN. Liberman 51%. Lamont 49%.”
Charlie L. #33
If that happens we’ll know for sure the erection was rigged . . . . . Pardon my DickTion Deficit . . .
#15 BB2,
Which video is it?? That link goes to the YouTube sign-in page, which I did, but that leads to a list of videos. (is it me?)
Big Dan
How about “False Flag Land” or “Project for the New American Century Land”.
#18 Agent99,
So you would exclude Conyers, Feingold, Gore, Edwards, …any other possibly-not-completely-complicit&corrupt-politicians from this common ground? Not saying you’re wrong, just askin’.
Cuz if so, we of the twisted chord variety of lefties might derive some wicked satisfaction from Boyce’s recipe. (maybe topped with santorum sauce?) (Eeew. Sorry. Maybe that’s a little TOO much imagery)
Haven’t checked out your Tarpley on Malloy link yet, but it’s on my list.
Google “United Nations Security Council Resolution 242” .
Have big fun nuking foreigners and drilling for oil at the all new Military/Industrial Complex amusement park in Orlando, Florida…. Bring the kids…. Fun for all ages.
Joan #37
I would exclude Conyers, McKinney, Waters, Murtha… some other not-strictly-complicit legislators. Edwards and Gore get a pass because they both tried hard to fight against it, and neither has continued under its weight. Fiengold gets an honorable mention, but he really only very quakingly has proposed watery remedies, can’t bring himself to really piss them off. I think Teddy Kennedy gets a pass, even as he probably knows what’s up, because his heart and soul were behind the filibuster of Alito, and raising the minimum wage — plus, there’s only so much murderation of Kennedys by this crowd that we can stand.
The rest of them are bending over backwards not to get Wellstoned, and whatever else is being held over their heads. I know they did not run for office to get killed for doing their jobs, but nobody is born in the United States and stays here into adulthood without tacitly agreeing to die to uphold our Constitution, least of all the people we may or may not have elected to Congress. A democratic republic is impossible to KEEP any other way.
Most of the people who are sticking their necks out have families too. The excuse of having to look after the kids does not wash. The founders had families. The troops in the revolution had families. All the men and women who have died for us had families. It’s part of the deal. Freedom is not free. They’ve made it so peace is not free either.
Hey, I heard Lieberman won 51%-49%!!! Oh, that’s tomorrow…I got a glimpse of tommorow’s newspaper by accident…
Joan #35
It looks like they want you to sign in or join when using the link I posted. (Due to graphic content)
I had originally found it on their “Most Viewed Today” list. The version there has now been replaced with a shorter version which doesn’t show the items I was commenting on.
I guess you’ll have to join to see it – it’s free, but you have to fill out a form (I have yet to do it myself – it bums me out how far down I have to scroll for my birth year!)
There was lots of debris on the ground outside the building. Within that debris were perfectly formed parallel piles of debris running out from the base of each building column. It looked as though a blast from within the building had blown away debris that was between the columns, but not where the column sheilded it from the blast. There was no window glass visible at the ground floor level.
(I just signed up – only took a minute and they didn’t even ask what color my toilet is. – The link in #15 above still works, but I had to try it several times – it kept asking me to confirm that I wanted the content. On the third try it finally worked. Good Luck)
MMIIXX #38
Don’t you know that’s just another g*damn piece of paper!
Ok – Now I’ve heard it all! (I think)
The Rapture Index
In “Diebold-land” in the military amusement park, you get to run against famous presidents, like Lincoln, Jefferson, etc…and always win 51%-49%!!!
You press the “Lincoln” button, for example, and a DIEBOLD machine reads: “BIG DAN 51%, ABRAHAM LINCOLN 49%”…
Bluebear2 #45
Talk about suicide bombers!
Big Dan #45
And they could sell posters of you in your local newspaper headlines, standing in front of the White House and being sworn in!
Agent99 #46
Ain’t that the truth!
Agent99
Just issued – new and improved MTTBBB
Here’s the Republican Noise Machine in the corporate MSM’s talking points about Lamont/Lieberman:
“the Dems are eating their own”
“the radical left has taken over the Dem party”
“Soros and moveon.org are controlling the Dem party”
What you don’t hear, is “democracy in action: the citizens of Connecticut voted for Lamont over Lieberman”. You would think it’s SINFUL, according to the MSM, if Lamont wins. A Lamont win sends a huge message to ALL politicians: get out of Iraq! The RNM/MSM smearing of Lamont has begun…
Just another reason to watch LINK-TV & FSTV: No planted Republican Noise Machine talking points allowed!!!
‘Cept how do I get them to plug their USB cables into my MTTBBB, BB2? I want exactly this kind of button, but I want really good visuals while I blast their text into satisfyingly smoking heaps of broken syllables.
(Megaton Troll Text Blather Blasting Button)
HEY!!!! In DIEBOLD-land, I beat Grover Cleveland 51%-49%…TWICE!!! In two non-consecutive terms!!!!!!
Don Henley singing Leonard Cohen’s “Democracy”….
Way to go Big Dan, I wooped George Washington by a whopping 51% to 49%! Dang, I forgot now I have to wear this powdered wig!
Big Dan #50
And this our own blog home has no post on that race, but is focusing on smaller and less significant local elections.
WTF?
LAMONT for Senate !!! Out with the Bush “Democrats” !!! Out with the Bush “Greens”, out with the Bush “Libertarians”, and out with the Bush.
At least Raw Story is coverning election malfunction in the biggest race happening (DUH!!!).
Sh*t is happening in the mother of all down with incumbent scum elections … DUH … in Connecticut (link here).
Well, Dredd, every liberal blog in the blogosphere is covering that one, and Cynthia McKinney deserves some help too.
Dredd: Don’t forget Santorum, too.
agent99: oh, i agree, cover mckinney and donzella too…the opposite-bad would be to cover ONLY the big races…
BUT…the significance of Lieberman and Santorum getting knocked out may be the hugest things since Vietnam-era elections…
The dork Lieberman website folk did not keep in touch with reality concerning bandwidth.
So they spent more on condiments than bandwidth.
So when the site went down, like republicans that they look to as role models, they lie and attack.
Their own incompetence and neoCon agenda is now exposed (link here).
Dredd: WE can cover them in “open threads” … It’s probably harder to cover the lesser known miscarriages of justice, as Brad does, or no one would cover them. Too bad we can’t cover them all. McKinney and Donzella and Busby (the schmuck who’s being quiet) would never get covered from the “correct” side…there’s lots of misinformation in the MSM, as well we are reading here.
HEY! I just beat Nixon in DIEBOLD-land! Just before he resigned, too! Funny thing, though, I lost to GW Bush 51%-49%…hey, I thought the customer was supposed to win 51%-49%!!!
I am talking about the most important election happening in American politics today.
The only one the entire world is doing a focus on.
If I am talking over anyone’s head … scuse me … didn’t mean to rock the boat 8) !
I had a feeling that Liebermans site crashed cause of bandwidth & not from hacking, the msm again …
Big Dan
I entered myself as Al Gore against G W Bush and the light kept changing to Bush and then it spit out all these little rectangular pieces of paper. Confetti?
The McKinney thing is intriguing, because, shouldn’t they discount the whole thing if McKinney is left off ballots? Is that a fair election? I’m not saying I’m for McKinney, I’m just saying, aren’t there rules for an election??? And if they are broken, it’s not a valid election?
Make sure you check out Markos on Countdown tonight talking about the website crash. (cheap website at Lieberman headquarters)
At Keith’s site, click on:
Video: Bloggers respond to Lieberman accusations
BigDan #66
You’d think so, but it doesn’t seem to bear out lately does it?
Less than 3 hours on the Bush out tricks Dick clock.
I never thought that would happen.
Re #42
Thanks, BB2…it did finally work for me after a few tries. Re #69
Damn, I hate it when my dim shows, but what is the “Bush out tricks Dick clock”?
Joan
Top righthand corner of front page.
#40 Agent99,
Thanks for clarifying. Why would you exclude Conyers? He’s done so much, it seems to me.
(I’m thinking I may have misunderstood you, though:
do you mean you’d exclude them–Conyers-Kennedy-etcetera–from condemnation? Or you’d exclude them from the common ground idea?)
I still have alot of hope in Gore, although I so fear that the fact he’s been a politician for so long may have twisted his judgment in ways we don’t know. I hope not, but it seems so inevitable.
His speeches since just before the ’04 “election” & up to now have been very passionate & powerful. I want him to run in ’08. If he chooses not to I will have alot of trouble understanding why.
Kennedy may have raised his voice on certain issues, as you say…others have, too…but their efforts all seem just too little too late, a pale ghost of outrage in the face of the world being devoured by greed & atrocity.
Hillary, for example, talking about violence in video games, rather than screaming in outrage over our government turning the country into a globally reviled monster, just set my blood boiling!
I think you hit the nail on the head as far as FEAR being a major reason for others’ lukewarm responses or total silence on the critical state of the country. (Brad has said this too, I think)
The way you put it, the fear of “getting Wellstoned”: I’m afraid that may be very apt.
If the families, the children of politicians & journalists & editors are being threatened, I can understand keeping one’s mouth shut to protect them.
Maybe you’re right that extraordinary courage is required if we are to win the country back. But I’m not sure how courageous I would be if my family were threatened. I just don’t know.
Joan, I most certainly meant to say that John Conyers is way at the top of my list of keepers. I have been stumping for Al Gore not to have to run again, for him to just be the party’s nominee for 2008, but I would like Edwards too. I would like Bobby Kennedy too. I want honest, true, intelligent, strong, balanced and DETERMINED AGAINST EVIL presidents. I want a president that places the environment and the workers and the poor above the bank accounts of the wealthy. I’d want John Conyers if I thought he could stand that kind of pressure for that long.
When you listen to the Tarpley thing, it’ll probably be pretty plain what really is the bottom line. I would sooner die than have a hair on the head of a loved one be harmed, but so would almost anyone who ever put their lives on the line for us, for their country. Thousands upon thousands of Americans have given their lives for you and me, Joan. Are we just mouthing the words when we say we are grateful? Or does it mean, ultimately, that we recognize they did what we would do? Were we born free to be turned into huddled masses?
Presbyterian Church publishes 9/11 conspiracy theory ????????????
http://story.malaysiasun.com/p....a827f00576d2a/
Yep, Mick, David Ray Griffin is a theologian and a scholar. Not many can speak more eloquently or authoritatively on the subject. Webster Tarpley knows his stuff too. So does Steven Jones. Anyone who pays attention to those guys, and STILL misses the point, the truth, is pretty much hopeless. We need all the HOPE we can get. Hooray for the Presbyterians!
Anyone who has watched elections since ’00 and ’04 never has much confidence in results because of last minute strangeness.
Election officials should be ashamed of themselves for letting it go so far down that road.
Stalag 15,.. an American Concentration Camp
with a wonderful German-esque welcoming atmosphere.
Vacancies await your reservations,…
Video link concentration camp tour.
Another 799 nationwide fully constructed and staffed concentration camps await your inspection for your extended stay.
State by state location of other 799 camps.
#73 Agent99,
Ok, glad you’d keep the good guys. I agree with your comment on all points, & your questions at the end are mine also. I hope I would be capable of courage in the face of threats, but I’ve just never been in that position. I could say “Yeah, I’d blow the whistle on them & not rest till their asses were in jail!”, but talk is cheap. If somebody whispered in my ear “We’ve got your kid. Stop what you’re doing or she’s dead”? I dunno, man. I can’t say truthfully WHAT I would be capable of.
And thanks for 71!
BigDan
Dang it – looks like we won’t be going on any rides at the Military Amusement Park
One sad story from A Katina survivor, Times Picayune Photo journalist begs the police to shoot him to death. They say hes depressed, Well I know I would be!Link: http://www.editorandpublisher.c..._id=1002984418
Laura
Very sad indeed! 🙁
IMAGINE!!!!!!
I have just emmigrated to Nutopia, where freedom is not only legal, it’s compulsory! I am a citizen, and an ambassador. My home an embassy, Nutopian ground. Nutopia is open to refugees! The paperwork is a snap. Imagine. Imagine. Imagine.
http://www.joinnutopia.com/
Agent99
I have joined you in Nutopia. Ahhhh peace at last!
Thank you Grudge Report and of course John Lennon.
Just walked over to the store/bank/PO in my blink-and-you-miss-it town, with my own little Nutopian Embassy, and rented V for Vendetta and Syriana. Gonna hang out in movieland tonight, groove on my compulsory freedom. 😉
Cool, time travel and a world where I feel understood. All in one convenient blog.
Good choices. May I suggest Syrianna first and Vendetta second. First one will incite the need for action and revenge. The second will satisfy those needs. Enjoy.
Well, took a detour to C-SPAN to watch the clip of Cynthia McKinney’s speech to her supporters. It made me cry.
Thanks for the video advice, MEP. Sounds sound.
Viva Nutopia! Viva Cynthia McKinney!
(Well, and don’t even start to doubt that Peg and 99 will best the beast in our Nutopian timelab!)
Wow, those must be the fonts that were installed in Bruce Funk’s Diebold machines.
I never stop wondering what John Lennon’s thoughts would be about the crap coming down today. Can you IMAGINE!
John could be an abrasive person, but he always told the truth.
I have bought McCartney’s albums through the years and think he’s great. If you haven’t seen the DVD “Paul McCartney in Red Square”, BUY IT! It includes interviews with Russians who used to pay half a months salary to obtain one Beatles record. Rock and Roll brought down the old Soviet order more then Ronald Reagan did. The Beatles and others exported freedom and they couldn’t get enough.
This is a film the Bush regime doesn’t want you to see. SO GO SEE IT! It will fill you with hope and love for the Russian people. Anybody who thought they were over there plotting our demise in the cold war will be awakened.
The concert is from 2003 and I’m positive you couldn’t get a permit to have anywhere near this big an event in the United States, (SAD ISN’T IT!). Notice that everybody in the crowd, including the smallest children know the lyics to all the songs in English. Fantastic stuff!
There is a new documentary coming out about John Lennon and how the government was all over him for speaking out about PEACE. FBI had a dossier 22,000 pages long. Just IMAGINE!
Here is a transcript of a telephone conversation
between two Israelis in Washington DC (8/10/06)
that was not intended to be broadcast to the general
public. They discuss the diminishing power of bu$$hco
and the neocons and how easy it is to manipulate the
America populous “because they are so stupid and
ill-informed.”
Transcript of telephone chat between Israelis
There is a nice concise synopsis of the events of 9/11
that do not make a bunch of sense,.. and how the governments story is crock of lies.
Those private individuals who look into alternate
scenarios of 9/11 continue to receive death threats
against themselves and their families,.. they are warned to make their web sites “go away”. If they are truly “conspiracy theorists”, “crackpots” and
“dingbats”,.. why would you bother to threaten them ?
Unless there was something that was deemed – Must Remain Hidden/Concealed – at all costs. If the truth was told and nothing was hidden there is no valid reason to threaten anyone.
Dig harder,.. dig deeper,.. only then will we learn how/why these neo-con fascists subverted our democracy and then bring crimminal charges against them for having done so.
WTC-9/11 (pdf)/
links/and video links (windows)
This is perported to be a German intelligence report
about the details of 9/11,.. its authenticity has not been dis-proven to be genuine.
* Mossad was allowed to operate in the USA with the condition that they kept the FBI comprised of their
intelligence findings and activities. This they did not
do as promised, they intentionally kept American intelligence agencies in the blind.
**** Google – Amdocs,Comverse, Israeli art students,
**** Israeli moving companies, Dancing Israelis 9/11, **** ADL, JDL, arrested Israelis deported before and **** after 9/11, Cameron Fox News expose 3 part series
**** on – Israeli spying.
* German intelligence intercepts messages to and from Israel, Sharon and Mossad knew full details of 9/11
but intended to keep its knowledge secret from the American government.
* German intelligence agency reports directly to
President Bush about the time/date/details of the
coming 9/11 attacks. Bush states he is fully aware of the plan. The Bush administration later induces the German government to keep secret the fact they were forewarned about the details of 9/11.
German Intelligence Report about 9/11
WTF – is going on ?
Other odd Mossad,.. Israeli connections to 9/11,…
9/11 Israeli links