READER COMMENTS ON
"Condoleeza Rice: There Is No Civil War In Iraq"
(28 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2006 @ 4:58 pm PT...
The Bush administration is a Faulty Case
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 8/9/2006 @ 5:09 pm PT...
When will that lying murderous Condolezza ugle face pawn be sent to prison?
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2006 @ 5:19 pm PT...
Bees and honey
Rats and garbage
Where John Negroponte goes,..
death squads will soon follow.
That was a foregone conclusion.
What is the secret about that ?
nothing more,.. nothing less.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2006 @ 5:36 pm PT...
Will someone remove the electrodes from Condi? The twitching is getting embarrassing.
Remember, what we are witnessing are the birth pangs of of a glorious new world order (Inc.) Death squads...that's the ticket.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2006 @ 6:15 pm PT...
No civil war in Iraq?!!! At every turn it seems that peace is not an option for these war profiteers. With her blue satin high heel firmly planted over the throat of the bird of peace, she smiles as thousands die all around her. Condi-world-order is upon us.
the topic of my weekly cartoon, last week.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2006 @ 6:19 pm PT...
Right on, WP. Thanks for hitting the nails you see need setting so squarely on their heads. Condi is learning to evade and squirrel from her masters, and, like them, her tactics are becoming increasingly obvious to many, many of us. Did you see last night's Jon Stewart?
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 8/9/2006 @ 7:26 pm PT...
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2006 @ 7:29 pm PT...
keith tucker #5
I love your imagery and your 'toons are pretty cool too!
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2006 @ 7:30 pm PT...
What makes a decent brain implode like that? One after the other no less. Yikes! Thanks WP for keeping it on the forefront.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2006 @ 7:30 pm PT...
Yer Twisted! But I like that!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2006 @ 7:43 pm PT...
Do you think she knows she's lying?
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2006 @ 7:52 pm PT...
Heh, Big Dan, she did know, but her excuse to lie covered up the fact of the lying itself so fast, she would defend to the end that she's not lying. Very common coping mechanism of the ego, keeps the self-loathing from freezing you in your tracks. As you can see, the people who will let their egos do this work, manufacture this "mercy" for them, could easily ruin everything, for everyone, for... ever.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2006 @ 9:24 pm PT...
Is it a civil war, or isn’t it?
There are six criteria for considering a conflict a civil war.
Q. Is the focus of the war control over which group governs the political unit?
Q. Are there at least two groups of organized combatants?
Q. Is the state one of the combatants?
Q. Are there at least 1,000 battle deaths per year on average?
Q. Is the ratio of total deaths at least 95 percent to 5 percent? In other words, has the stronger side suffered at least 5 percent of the casualties?
Q. Is the war occurring within the boundaries of an internationally recognized state or entity?
The first criterion centers on the notion of sovereignty and governance. In a civil war, the main struggle is over who will govern, with each side rejecting the legitimacy of the other to take control of the government.
The second indicates that each side has to be organized and armed for the war. This criterion therefore excludes spontaneous mob actions or riots, as, for example, in the Albanian pyramid scheme crisis in 1997.
The third criterion holds that the state must be formally involved in the war, which allows for the exclusion of communal conflicts where there are two warring identity groups.
The fourth tries to capture the intensity of civil war as opposed to other types of violence such as crime, riots, and smaller-scale insurgencies. This excludes such cases as the fight for Northern Ireland (although the costs of that long conflict have been tragic).
The fifth captures the idea of a minimal capability of each side to conduct its military operations by inflicting casualties on the other side. This ratio criterion excludes massacres and genocides.
The sixth excludes wars between two sovereign states.
Iraq has met all of the criteria. The main one that has been contested is "the state is one of the combatants." Until recently, the argument put forward was that most of the violence was fomented by foreign insurgents. Although there is no denying that the foreign insurgents were involved in quite a bit of the violence, they were and are not alone. Organized groups of Sunnis (former Baathists in particular) have been waging violence as have Shiites (e.g., the Badr brigade/Mahdi Army) since at least Spring 2004.
The conflict in Iraq formally became a “civil war” once a sovereign Iraq government took control in June 2004. Although precise figures are hard to come by, I don’t think anyone would doubt that the death count has exceeded 1,000 per year on average since. Furthermore, since the spring of 2006 at least, the number of deaths by sectarian groups (commonly referred to as death squads) has far outpaced that of suicide bombers (presumed to be foreign insurgents).
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 2:14 am PT...
You're a very talented guy.
I can always respect someone who takes a political stand and loses some of his audience. I wish more folks in Hollywood were as brave as you!
You're already right up there with Tom Tomorrow on my list, and that's real high!
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 2:18 am PT...
All this talk about Condie being in trouble with Bush is nonsense. It's just another game of "good cop, bad cop". Same as Powell.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 3:22 am PT...
I loathe Condoleeza Rice.
However, I must speak up to protest the sexual component of the cartoon of her that keeps appearing here because it's demeaning to women.
I click on a link & see a powerful, although hated, woman in a partially nude sexual pose wearing a skimpy costume.
It demonstrates an unhealthy concept of women as sexual objects for men's use. It could have depicted cartoon Condy in jail, getting hit with her own bomb, as a chimp, being Bush's slave etc., & still been funny.
The ugly way they drew her face was the funniest part to me, the sexual message wasn't.
Why don't we see a cartoon of Bush, or Cheney, or Rummy, or Rove with the same sexual component Condy's had?
Because they aren't women.
It's all about the way men see women.
According to this cartoon, it's as an object they can use & abuse.
That attitude shouldn't be encouraged.
For instance, reports in the news say female soldiers in Iraq are being harrassed & raped by the male soldiers, as are the Iraqi women.
Although I am not of the opinion that females should serve in combat--still, if women are there risking their asses too--they should not have to take this crap off the men.
I supppose when men are under stress, they take out their frustrations on the lowest one in the pecking order, which to them, is the women.
Women didn't create the literal cluster f*ck going on over there & women don't keep it going.
Why are they alone made to pay extra for it?
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 3:35 am PT...
To his credit, Keith Tucker's cartoon's are not sexist.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 5:10 am PT...
Another False Flag today ? Whats being covered up now?
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 6:10 am PT...
Yes it is clearly another false flag BS today.
This is just a prelude to keep the idiot public in fear right before the S-elections.
The Neofascist must maintain totalitarian control.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 6:32 am PT...
Charlene: I don't know what cartoon you're talking about --- or what link you click to see it. Would you mind enlightening me? Thanks.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 6:45 am PT...
democratization ..... death squads
democratization ..... civil war
Rice: Nobody could have predicted there would be a civil war.
They obviously don't like our current system which restricts them to only partial control (99%) and would like to get rid of Democrats and others entirely (a la Hitler getting rid of Jews, Gipsies, homosexuals, mentally ill, etc.). When do the Republicans plan to bring this act to America? Remember, Ann Coulter, voice of the Reich, already has said we have no Constitutional Right to procreate! And, their practices don't seem to indicate they believe we have a right to vote or to have that vote counted.
Anyone who knows Republican tactics knows they attack their opponent on the issue where they're weakest. They try to bring down the opponent to their level.
So, though it is they who are perverting American Democracy, they say it is the Democrats who want to make it illegal for THEM to practice their political beliefs. It can only mean they intend to make Liberalism illegal. Oh what a tangled web they weave when they open their mouths and sprechen.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 8:34 am PT...
I viewed the cartoon somewhat differently - as in Gross to imagine her sexy.
But I do see your view and concern. That is why I find Hustler and the other porn shop magazines vile in the way they portray women.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 8:43 am PT...
People were calling in to Al Franken's show yesterday with possible campaign slogans for joe lieberman. The best was a guy who suggested (you have to call this out like a maitre d'):
"Lieberman! Party of one!"
I'd love to see a cartoon of that!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 9:45 am PT...
Now that the writing is on the wall, the republican dictatorship is becoming nuttier than a reichstag fruitcake.
Expect "turrism" and "insirgency" to increase in the fascist hope that "amurkans" will become scared as a result of their phoney facade.
And expect the Katrina Kids in the white house to try to convince everyone that it is everyone else's fault.
And expect them to lose bigger and bigger in the hearts and minds of Americans as time goes on.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2006 @ 2:06 pm PT...
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2006 @ 4:33 am PT...
Mahalo to bluebear,larry b,charlene & Joan. I Greatly appreciated all your coments. I keep trying. As for loosing audience, I'm only in a small handful of weekly papers, so feel free to let any weeklies in your aera know about the toons. Lie-berman, party of one, hmmmm, I'll think about it. However, that the Big Baby is now joining Ralph Nader as a spoiler with Republican funding. And as the ROVE connection comes to light, I wonder if he's just some blowhard egotist with no sense of honor. This LOOSER must be stripped of all his Democratic seats. He sits on many Democratic comities and must be completely removed, ASAP spread the word no more D.I.N.O.'s
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2006 @ 9:04 am PT...
Here's a Link to a petition calling for Lieberman to be stripped of his seats.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
what now toons
said on 8/11/2006 @ 1:51 pm PT...
Bluebear, thanks I'll send it around after I add my name to it. Lie-berman doesn't respect the will of the people, and he's being used by the Republicans, cause they know what a swelled head he has.