READER COMMENTS ON
"APN: McKinney Pursuing Legal Avenues to Challenge Elections in Georgia!"
(48 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 8/11/2006 @ 6:18 am PT...
Very good news.
Anytime these "results" and "elections" are conducted in the name of the people, we demand quality, accuracy, and verifiability.
We want to scientifically know that they are working and that the results are absolutely sound.
That is not going to happen until something changes ... for instance the demented minds of those who thought up these contraptions, those who purchase them, and those who force us to use them.
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big dan
said on 8/11/2006 @ 6:45 am PT...
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Bluebear2
said on 8/11/2006 @ 7:39 am PT...
Go Cyntia, we're behind you 100%
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gkelliott
said on 8/11/2006 @ 8:02 am PT...
Just because I argue that McKinney alienated a lot of people in her district making her weak and that crossover helped finish her, doesn't mean I'm in love with the State's election policies and practices.
There is much that needs to be reformed about Georgia elections. In addition to dumping machines, I'd like to see party affiliation declared at registration to end crossover voting. I appreciate the detail in the APN coverage, that they apparently laid eyes on affidavits or other docs with precincts, names, times etc. Specifics like those can be investigated.
I was just talking to a friend that voted in the same precinct. We compared notes on machine preformance and after she hit the "CAST VOTE" button, she got a screen that seemed to have a tally of votes cast on the machine that day. I didn't have the same experience.
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skpetic94514
said on 8/11/2006 @ 8:05 am PT...
Kinda concerned about the DOJ. Isn't the Dept of Justice run by Gonzales, the guy that gave us the legal guidelines for Dept of Justice for Guantanamo?
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Clint Curtis
said on 8/11/2006 @ 9:10 am PT...
The very thing that happened to Cynthia McKinney will be repeated all across this country unless we do something about it. I am presently running against the person that requested the touch screen vote fraud prototype and it will be completely undetectable for him to flip the results in my primary on September 5th.
I have put something in place that will make that undetectable flip impossible. In the event that the vote was flipped we could have undeniable proof of exactly what was altered. If you really care about preserving the democracy of this country, we now have a way to make it happen. We do not have to simply give-in to our oppressors or stand in the background and complain that we were cheated.
Right now our internal polling shows that we are leading 80-20 in the largest voter county, 70-30 is the second largest, 55-45 in the third largest, and trailing by a couple of points in the smallest voting block county. Those numbers are absolutely worthless unless we can make sure that the votes are counted as cast. As the programmer that wrote the prototype, I can assure you that the voters have no say as to the results that the machines will record in the official election.
Right now, you can make the difference. I need people willing to make five phone calls per night. I can provide a way to do this ABSOLUTELY FREE from anywhere in the country. If we can force this primary's results to be accurate, we can force Feeney to address the vote fraud request and alert the world to what has become of our democracy.
The democracy of this country and possibly the fate of the world rests on your shoulders. You can actually do something about it
Please
volunteer today. Our tomorrows depend on it. ------
http://www.ClintCurtis.com
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John
said on 8/11/2006 @ 9:23 am PT...
Aww come on now. Lets hear the whole truth and not a part of it, picking and choosing to suit personal need. There is a notice on the machine that tells the voter to get help if there is a problem. When the voter pushes the button, it says who the voter is voting for and if it is not the right person or there is a problem to get help before pushing the green button. There were numerous accounts in which it was the voter's stupidity. One woman had nails so long that even though she wanted to vote for McKinney, her long nails were pushing on the other button. The irregularity is actually a "regularity of voter stupidity." She got beat fair and square. The constitution gives us the right to vote. If a voter is stupid, that is his or her responsibility. McKinney has a track record of being a bitch and stupid. For god's sake, she thought Neil Armstrong walked on mars. She also thinks the US is a Democracy. I remember when she hit a security guard in the capital for not knowing who she was. Good riddance to her in my opinion.
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Peg C
said on 8/11/2006 @ 9:35 am PT...
I hope Cynthia McKinney has some really beefy goons watching her back and checking her mailbox. But more power to her!!!
Clint Curtis -
I'm a grandmother in Maine who casts her ballot on paper and deposits it in a locked box. What can I do to help? This whole "New World Order" project is so ugly and inhuman it's hardly bearable to contemplate it. It feels as if we have been drugged, kidnapped, and are collectively waking up in an entirely different universe!
Thank you for all that you are doing to bring these criminal, undemocratic machinations to light! May the "elections" in Florida further underscore the means by which this coup has been carried out. And may you remain safe and prosperous as well.
Notice to the world: We ARE paying attention!!!!!!
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 8/11/2006 @ 9:44 am PT...
John #7 -
Either you really don't get it or you're a party to it. Either way, your comment is crass and ugly and deserves to be ignored entirely. End of subject.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 8/11/2006 @ 9:49 am PT...
Clint,
I've never heard the details about your vote rigging prototype. How does it work? Does it work on touch screens only, and manipulate which areas the voter touches to cast their vote? Does it do the flipping after the vote is recorded? Knowing how these things work is the first step to thwarting them.
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David Francis
said on 8/11/2006 @ 9:52 am PT...
Hey John, do you work for Diebold, or are you just that ignorant? Without paper records there can be no knowing for certain if fraud takes place. McKinney may have "got beat fair and square" or she may have been robbed. How can we know the difference without proof?
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LOUIS GLASER
said on 8/11/2006 @ 10:19 am PT...
Are we not happy that this congresswoman will no longer be a member if the Congress. Anyone that thinks the U.S. government engineered the 9-11 disaster is a fool.
Louis Glaser
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Patriot
said on 8/11/2006 @ 10:25 am PT...
PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED
PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED
PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED
PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED
PAPER BALLOTS, HAND COUNTED
This phrase must become a mantra that patriotic Americans must utter to everyone they come in contact with. Over and over again. Come on people, the right wing corporate media was able to make the word/concept "liberal" into something horrible in a relatively short time, so why can't we have all Americans thinking "paper ballots, hand counted" whenever they think of how elections should be run?
Paper Ballots, Hand Counted.
Fits nicely on a bumper sticker, T-shirt, or your email tagline.
Go for it!
P.S. Also good is "Live Free or Diebold"
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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PetGoat
said on 8/11/2006 @ 10:26 am PT...
BVAC #10,
Here's a summary of the Clint Curtis Story.
It's a hum-dinger. It was a link to the video
of Clint's testimony before members of the
House Judiciary Committee after the 2004 elections
that brought me to Brad Blog in the first place.
That testimony can be seen here:
http://video.google.com/...=clint+curtis+&hl=en
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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PetGoat
said on 8/11/2006 @ 10:28 am PT...
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madamab
said on 8/11/2006 @ 10:51 am PT...
Anyone who thinks 9/11 happened exactly the way the government says it did, is a fool. How does #7 explain the WTC buildings collapsing, when physically it is NOT POSSIBLE for jet fuel to melt steel frame buildings? It has never happened before or since 9/11, nor will it. And what about WTC #7, which was not even hit, but collapsed anyway? Any explanations for that?
Government involvement is certainly one explanation for why Bush and other administration officials consistently ignored the many warnings given them of an impending terrorist attack by Al Qaeda, in September, at a national landmark, possibly using airplanes, then reacted with such slowness and ineffectiveness when the attack occurred. Until the many inconsistencies in the "official" version of events are cleared up, simply dismissing those of us who want a better explanation as "fools" is childish and irresponsible.
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BOB YOUNG
said on 8/11/2006 @ 12:24 pm PT...
#10, BVAC
“Knowing how these things work is the first step to thwarting them. “
Thwarting them is not the answer. We need to be sure we can either eliminate any and all of them or go to a better system. I think verified voting is the solution we need to arrive at. Here are some of the basics steps needed to get there.
Neither hand counted paper ballots nor EVM’s (Electronoc Voting Machines) with verified paper trails are the answer to the vote counting problems we have had in our recent elections. Even if all voters were to verify a paper trail the EVM can replace that “verified” paper trail with one that matches the “results” it wants to arrive at. We thus still have to trust those who have access to the paper trail until the results are finally certified.
The correct answer to eliminate vote fraud is verified voting. That would solve our problems. Everybody associated with our elections wants to test the EVM’s prior to elections, test them after the elections or eliminate their use altogether. None of these options will likely result in verifiable election “results”. The only time our votes need to be counted correctly is during our elections. So why not verify that our votes are being counted correctly during our election? If we can do that we have a correct answer to the problems we are having with fraudulent election “results”.
As they are used now EVM’s are a big part of the problem. That is so because the corrupt people who control our elections are taking advantage of the weaknesses of the EVM’s rather than taking advantage of their strengths. We are already using EVM’s that can memorize every vote cast. Why not have them remember where that vote came from as well? They can very easily do so if we want them to. Then everybody could check to see that their vote was really and truly counted as cast. For the purpose of keeping the vote secret ever voter could be given a uniquely numbered receipt of their selections. A second copy of that uniquely numbered ballot could be securely stored by each precinct in case a recount was needed. Before leaving the polling place the voter could verify that the receipts were both correct. The machine could easily order all the ballots it memorized in order of the unique numbers they were assigned. It could publish that list on the internet and elsewhere so that those who want to know if there votes were counted as cast could check and see if they were. If nobody can find any discrepancies the votes were clearly counted as cast. If we also insure that extra ballots were not added to control the “results”, then we arrive at verified voting. That is somewhere that we may never have visited before.
There should rarely be any errors found if the EVM’s are really trying to get the count correct. Therefore if any candidate can demonstrate that there is less than 99.9% accuracy in the published list a recount is clearly required. Since the EVM’s have clearly failed badly if this does happen the cost of a hand count of the receipts the precinct secured must be covered by the company that contracted the counting. The outcome of this monitored recount determines the winner of the election. It is not that difficult to get to where we want to go if verified voting is our goal. The big problem we have now is that those who have been controlling the outcomes of our elections don’t want to venture anywhere near verified voting.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/11/2006 @ 2:29 pm PT...
Is that warning for real? Or a joke?
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Laura
said on 8/11/2006 @ 2:31 pm PT...
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big dan
said on 8/11/2006 @ 2:32 pm PT...
Clint: Grab onto your floatation device...and get ready for Lefty & GK! And possibly Tom Feeney. He'll be posting as "Justice for all liberal democrat on your side slightly left of left of center"......
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/11/2006 @ 2:33 pm PT...
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big dan
said on 8/11/2006 @ 2:37 pm PT...
Hank Johnson is posting as "John"...
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Laura
said on 8/11/2006 @ 2:43 pm PT...
I'm glad Cynthia is going to fight this. I've seen quite a few bullshit comments fron MSM and even some supposedly liberal bloggers about what a nut case she is. It pisses me off so I yell at the tv and the computer. I know I'm not from Georgia, but I've read quite a few comments in blogs that she was robbed. The capitol police story is just so convenient to trot out every time theres an article written on her. If you think that wasn't a set up I've got a bridge to sell you. Every article I've seen has had that in the comments. Its disgraceful what some people have the gall to keep repeating. None of us was there to know what went on. But it keeps getting repeated like its gospel. Go Cynthia! We are paying attention, and I know alot of us have your back!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 8/11/2006 @ 2:49 pm PT...
That's a good comment, Laura. If you want to know what really went on in the so-called "McKinney slugs a cop" incident, you could do a lot worse than to watch this short video: The Last Plantation
If you can't watch it on your computer, you might want to click here for assistance ... and if that doesn't work, you can read the transcript here.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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bvac
said on 8/11/2006 @ 2:56 pm PT...
Bob Young,
Yes.
Thwarting election fraud in November, this November, 4 months from now, is the first step to eliminating the EVM. Being prepared with the foreknowledge of how these things work is the best way to do that. I'm not against EVM fundamentally, but they have to be opensource and transparent, and developed by a new generation of technologists that care about this stuff, not politicians whose pockets are lined with dollars from diebold.
Petgoat,
I know Clint Curtis' story, but his testimony gives the 'how' and not the 'what'. We know how code can be inserted to manipulate votes, I want to know what exactly he wrote for Yang, and how such a hack might operate today. We keep hearing about touchscreen machines picking the wrong candidate, and that made me think about how the input device can be manipulated, as well as the recorded vote afterwards.
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Laura
said on 8/11/2006 @ 3:01 pm PT...
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Laura
said on 8/11/2006 @ 3:09 pm PT...
WP, thanks for that link. I had already seen it, just didn't have a link. Now I do. How can people hear that and believe the bullshit these neocons keep propogating. It makes me sick. Does no one have any common sense anymore?
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/11/2006 @ 7:17 pm PT...
gk: In your last comment on the last McKinney thread, you said I compared "apples to oranges", because the election I compared it to, was a statewide election. Well, I limited it to just the 3 counties in the McKinney primary and runoff, so I was comparing "apples to apples", and in the statewide election, just limited to the McKinney election counties, there were 93,574 total votes in the primary, and it dropped to 55,121 in the runoff. Holding the same pattern or ratio.
But, GK, I am sure you knew that, and you were hoping I didn't check it out.
What's next, GK: "well, 2 were black in one election, and not the other, and uuummmm....duhhhhh"
You are a shill, and I called you on it, and I continue to call you on it and prove it.
You were hoping I didn't compare "apples to apples", weren't you? So, what's your NEXT ridiculous shill accusation that won't be true?
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/11/2006 @ 7:19 pm PT...
Bye, bye, GK, don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out, like Lieberman
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Dredd
said on 8/11/2006 @ 8:41 pm PT...
I SUPPORT WHOLEHEARTEDLY
............ CLINT CURTIS ............
.......... FOR CONGRESS ..........
Feeney the criminal must go, Bush the criminal must go ...
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Agent99
said on 8/12/2006 @ 2:00 am PT...
Cowardice asks the question, "Is it safe?"
Expediency asks the question, "Is it politic?"
But conscience asks the question, "Is it right?"
And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but because conscience tells one it is right.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
I think this is a quote everyone should have on their walls, or taped to their refrigerator doors. Maybe we could make it into a clothing design so that we could read it off each other, to each other, regularly.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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Rose Elvern
said on 8/12/2006 @ 5:29 am PT...
Must keep shouting this theft of our Democracy from the rooftops.
Thank you Brad, Clint, Cynthia and others who refuse to give up an cede our future to these monsters.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/12/2006 @ 6:16 am PT...
In this link provided previously by BB2
https://dklbweb.dekalbga...ff_statement_of_vote.pdf
In the Georgia Dem runoff for Lt Gov, out of over 100 voting jurisdictions in Dekalb, 2 times someone got over 90% of the vote.
In the Georgia Dem runoff for Sec of St, out of over 100 voting jurisdictions in Dekalb, ZERO times someone got over 90% of the vote
In the Georgia Dem runoff for Solicitor General, out of over 100 voting jurisdictions in Dekalb, ZERO times someone got over 90% of the vote.
In the McKinney-Johnson runoff for US Rep 4th district, out of over 100 voting jurisdictions in Dekalb, Johnson received over 90% of the vote 26 times! To ZERO for McKinney.
Although, NEITHER received 90% of the vote in any of the over 100 jurisdictions in the primary (link below)
https://dklbweb.dekalbga...ts06/071806electVote.pdf
Check it out. Any comments? Is that normal? Tell me if I'm wrong.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/12/2006 @ 6:38 am PT...
That also doesn't include, that Johnson received between 80% and 90% 14 times in the runoff, to ZERO times for McKinney. McKinney never reached about 80% in any Dekalb jurisdiction, in either the primary or runoff. Johnson got over 80% in 6 jurisdictions in the primary, and 40 jurisdictions in the runoff.
Johnson's jurisdictions with over 80% went from 6 to 40 from the primary to runoff.
McKinney's jurisdictions with over 80% were ZERO both time.
Johnson's jurisdictions with over 90% went from ZERO to 26 from primary to runoff.
McKinney's jurisdictions with over 90% (needless to say) were ZERO both times.
Johnson got 24,488 vote in the primary and 35,270 in the runoff according to these links. (another link said he got 41,000 a couple of days ago, I guess that was unofficial?). 11,000 MORE!
McKinney got 26,788 in the primary and 26,984 in the runoff according to these links. ZERO MORE!
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/12/2006 @ 10:39 am PT...
If you look closely, you'll see such things as in Tucker, Johnson won 283 to 11, Christ! That's almost 294 to NOTHING! Did you ever see anything like that? Tucker library: Johnson 454, McKinney 30, Silver Lake Johnson 513,McKinney 38 (LOL!!!), Northlake Johnson 421, McKinney 26 (LOL), here's a good one, ready? Midvale Elementary Johnson 633, McKinney 23!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here's a chestnut: Lakeside High School Johnson 708, McKinney 48. A classic: Embry Hills Johnson 664, McKinney 30. Think about some of these results. Clairemont West Johnson 363, McKinney 21. Ashford Dunwoody Rd: Johnson 572, McKinney 45 (wow!). Ashford Park Elementary: Johnson 368, McKinney 21 !!!!!! Here's a good one: Briarlake Elementary: Johnson 541, McKinney 24 !!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/12/2006 @ 10:43 am PT...
It's hard to believe, if it's true...not just one voting place, but look how many!!!
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gkelliott
said on 8/12/2006 @ 7:20 pm PT...
Well, stop the presses! Alert the media! There were actually 45 people in Ashford-Dunwoody that voted for Cynthia McKinney? That's higher than the 37 that voted for her in the primary.
If you knew Silver Lake from Panola you would not be suprised that the precincts you pointed out heavily supported Johnson over McKinney. You'd be shocked if they did not. They did in the primary. They did again in the runoff. They supported Majette too.
Next you'll say that Utah going for W is a sign of fraud.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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gkelliott
said on 8/12/2006 @ 7:42 pm PT...
Wow BigDan! You got a mention of Wonkette! Some thing about being dense.
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Agent99
said on 8/12/2006 @ 8:10 pm PT...
Actually, gk, that was a quote from a post by Winter Patriot who was pointing to information from Big Dan... and the reference was to a density of a certain kind of comment on this blog, not casting any aspersions on Big Dan's intelligence. You just did that. Guess you're stung. Guess being stung makes you lie harder.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/12/2006 @ 8:12 pm PT...
What the hell is Wonkette?
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/12/2006 @ 8:13 pm PT...
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big dan
said on 8/12/2006 @ 8:16 pm PT...
GK: I'm not clicking on ANYTHING you link to, I don't want to know what a Wonkette is...but you can link to this: (I'm holding my middle finger up in the air again).
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
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molly
said on 8/13/2006 @ 9:55 am PT...
Finally, a well known lawmaker challenging the results of a fixed election. A woman at that. A black woman too. One of the few people in the house that votes for US instead of big oil and corporate thugs. Cynthia, if you are reading this, we're behind you. Need a link or address to send some money along with the love.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
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Jerseyboy
said on 8/13/2006 @ 12:35 pm PT...
Brad
I like your blog and have followed the Bilbray story closely as I used to live in San Diego. However you are way off the mark on the McKinney race. I am unfortunately trapped in Georgia right now and I can assure you that McKinney is not well liked here. Not only did she lose by a huge number of votes, which is counter to the trend for likely election fraud in the past few years, but polls from numerous sources also predicted a staggering loss for her. Again, counter to the trend where polls show one person winning only to lose by a slight margin. One thing I can say about Georgians is they are all about appearances (and generally lack substance or basic intellect). So its no surprise that they ousted a national embarassment like McKinney. It does a disservice to your blog when you give space to any contested election. It would better serve us all if you focused on those where fraud was truly a possibility.
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Agent99
said on 8/13/2006 @ 12:48 pm PT...
In that case we can focus on EVERY election in Georgia, because fraud IS truly a possibility in every precinct of every district in that state, Jersyboy.
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Doug
said on 8/13/2006 @ 6:37 pm PT...
Sorry Jerseyboy but I consider Mckinney to be a national hero for having the courage to ask Rumsfeld what happened to the trillions the pentagon lost, and to pursue 911 truth. If we had more like her we wouldnt be in the mess we are now, and what election isnt in question in Georgia??? It began with max cleland and never stopped.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 8/15/2006 @ 12:28 pm PT...
STARS AND STRIPES FOR NOW! CYNTHIA: YOU ARE THE AMERICAN HOLDING UP A TATTERED U.S. FLAG IN BATTLE, HOWEVER THE BATTLE IS ON U.S. SOIL FOR OUR DEMOCRACY IN CRISIS. WHOLE LOTTA LOVE BABE!!!
ENLISTED IN YER SERVICE,
GBD
BRADBLOG
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
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oldturk
said on 8/26/2006 @ 2:01 pm PT...
Did GHWB,.. GWB and the Carlyle Group erase Cynthia
McKinney from the political landscape,... to prevent her from speaking truth to power ?
Video Link