READER COMMENTS ON
"9/11 Truth Movement Gets a Nudge, a Bump and a Jolt"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 8/13/2006 @ 9:22 pm PT...
This entry should be titled, Mainstream Deniers Get a Nudge, Bump and a Jolt.
It's the mainstream politickos so wed to this system that they've successfully ignored all facts up til now that are really about to wake up.
Hopefully. 9/11 Truth folks have been here the whole time. It's the rest of us that need shocked from the slumber. Here's to hoping this moves us closer to more real discussions about what happened.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 8/13/2006 @ 11:10 pm PT...
I've been here. That $25 I gave Brad last winter
is about the best $25 I ever spent. More soon,
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 12:18 am PT...
Move up from open thread.
There is a nice concise synopsis of the events of 9/11
that do not make a bunch of sense,.. and how the governments story is crock of lies.
Those private individuals who look into alternate
scenarios of 9/11 continue to receive death threats
against themselves and their families,.. they are warned to make their web sites "go away". If they are truly "conspiracy theorists", "crackpots" and
"dingbats",.. why would you bother to threaten them ?
Unless there was something that was deemed - Must Remain Hidden/Concealed - at all costs. If the truth was told and nothing was hidden there is no valid reason to threaten anyone.
Dig harder,.. dig deeper,.. only then will we learn how/why these neo-con fascists subverted our democracy and then bring crimminal charges against them for having done so.
WTC-9/11 (pdf)/links/video links (windows)
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 12:43 am PT...
(moved from open thread)
This is perported to be a German intelligence report
about the details of 9/11,.. its authenticity has not been dis-proven to be genuine.
* Mossad was allowed to operate in the USA with the condition that they kept the FBI comprised of their
intelligence findings and activities. This they did not
do as promised, they intentionally kept American intelligence agencies in the blind.
**** Google - Amdocs,Comverse, Israeli art students,
**** Israeli moving companies, Dancing Israelis 9/11, **** ADL, JDL, arrested Israelis deported before and **** after 9/11, Cameron Fox News expose 3 part series
**** on - Israeli spying.
* German intelligence intercepts messages to and from Israel, Sharon and Mossad knew full details of 9/11
but intended to keep its knowledge secret from the American government.
* German intelligence agency reports directly to
President Bush about the time/date/details of the
coming 9/11 attacks. Bush states he is fully aware of the plan. The Bush administration later induces the German government to keep secret the fact they were forewarned about the details of 9/11.
German Intelligence 9/11 Report
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 12:46 am PT...
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said on 8/14/2006 @ 12:58 am PT...
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:54 am PT...
I think I'll pass on the Tucker thing. I watched it last week and could not believe Tucker could be so rude, arrogant, and dismissive. Tucker outdid himself that time.
I'll catch Dr. Griffen on other shows instead. I plan on downloading the Malloy thing tomorrow and listening.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:57 am PT...
Who is the Zionist named Dov Zakhiem ?
What were his connections to 9/11 ?
Where are the missing $ trillions from the Pentagon ?
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:59 am PT...
Is Lou Dobbs atoning for participating in unleashing this monster onto the world.
We've all been hoodwinked at some point in our lives. I try to be forgiving to those who got suckered by the contract
for on America and the Bush campaign.
But at least there are some who are beginning to recognize the damaging lies and are fighting against them.
I'd take one Lou Dobbs instead of 100 Woodwards!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 3:35 am PT...
If the Mike Malloy interview were a book, you wouldn't be able to put it down. I have listened more then once.
We have to pull this rug out from under these filthy bastards!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 3:45 am PT...
I will NOT be purchasing the book written by Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton. These guys are shills and will never illuminate anything. Somebody asked Hamilton if he had read David Ray Griffins book a long time ago and he said no. That was it for me.
They were on "Meet The Press" this morning and it was pathetic. They probably would have done better keeping the original choice to head the 911 concoction-commission, Henry Kissinger!
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 3:48 am PT...
Air America has resigned Mike Malloy for another two years. You had me scared there Mike. Stop that!
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 4:51 am PT...
Don't believe it for a moment.
Conspiracy people always say evberyone is waking up. It's part of their delusional system.
The whole 9/11 truth movement thing has been debunked many times. Some people just can't let go of their fantasies:
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 4:59 am PT...
Some people cannot let go of their fantasies? You're a perfect example, Perry. Those two disinfo sites you link to are SO pathetic.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 5:42 am PT...
If only the 9/11 Commission would let go of its fantasies so that the truth could become official.
The Official Lie is just too much of a fantasy for a growing large segment of the populace.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 5:53 am PT...
Has anyone read closely the new 9/11 documents released to the National Archives? (link here).
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 6:31 am PT...
Winter, when you state that those sites are "SO pathetic", do you have any evidence to back your assertion up?
It's not pathetic that 911myths.com provides its evidence and quotes in more complete context than than the conspiracy sites, it's not pathetic that it includes original links wherever possible, and it's not pathetic that the author clearly and openly establishes the limits of his personal knowledge and analytical abilities. You may disagree with a few of his conclusions, but can you really say that the evidence he presents is at fault in any way? Do you have examples? Considering that the site is overwhelmingly comprised of background sources and images, as opposed to opining or independent conclusions, it is of immense value for those things alone.
For you to call it disinfo, you'd better have some good examples handy.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 6:51 am PT...
This is perported to be a German intelligence report
about the details of 9/11,.. its authenticity has not been dis-proven to be genuine
"Not dis-proven" ... Sounds good enough for me! Give me 5 or 10 minutes and I bet I can come up with a few other not-disproven documents.
I don't know whether you actually looked at the document pdf, but it could have been done by anyone fluent in German with a day to kill and a typewriter. Believe it or not, the "top-secret" markings are actually typed on the cover page ... that's a pretty long way from an official stamp or gov't official's signature.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 7:02 am PT...
Two 9/11 Commission Report commissioners et. al. are now reporting that the FAA and NORAD lied to them under oath. Perjury.
One of the common events of the republican dictatorship is perjury.
So they have to stop swearing them in I guess. Then it will only be a lie and not perjury.
I guess that makes a better government if they only lie instead of perjuring themselves?
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 7:04 am PT...
Lou Dobbs is reporting on e-vote fraud and 9/11! Why isn't the Republican Noise Machine smearing him yet?
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 7:05 am PT...
Ask yourself this simple question: "Do I constantly go on blogs that are in total disagreement with everything I think?" Do you?
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 7:29 am PT...
Good observation. Mehlman and crew might be concerned that Lou would invite them on for a little asskicking ambush air time. Wouldnt that be sweet.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 8:14 am PT...
re #17 Ari:
The entire approach of both these so-called "debunking" sites shows clearly what they are. They do not attempt to uphold the "official story" in any comprehensive or comprehensible way; instead they build straw men that look sort of like the 9/11 Truth claims, and they demolish the straw men. But this doesn't do anything to support the "official conspiracy theory", from a strictly logical viewpoint.
All sorts of people have proposed all sorts of hypotheses about what happened on 9/11 and why. I could spend the rest of my life writing a book about the most preposterous claims and showing why I don't believe them. But even if I did that, my book would not "prove" the official conspiracy theory in any meaningful sense of the word.
If you want to support the "official story" then you have to account for all the evidence; you can't do it just by picking holes in the weakest theories that have ever been advanced. (In fact, we know --- from watching other black-op legends develop over the years --- that some of the weakest theories are themselves proposed by insiders with disinformation agendas, so that the body of authentic research can be "tainted" by these artificially-introduced false claims.)
I'll give you one example that seems representative of the entire sad spectacle: the page on Obstructing Justice at 911myths.com claims to "debunk" the stories about official obstruction of the "investigation", but it ignores some very important questions, such as:
Why did Bush fight so hard against the creation of an investigative body? Why did he refuse to testify under oath? Why did refuse to testify alone? Why were the investigators forbidden to keep notes from the session in which Bush and Cheney appeared? And why is there no mention of Sibel Edmonds on this page?
I could go on and on and on ... but it's not worth the effort. Anyone who looks at these two sites with an honest and open mind can see that what I'm saying is quite obviously true.
We're not stupid here --- at least most of us aren't --- and if the disinfo mongers want to fool us, they are going to have to do a much better job of it.
Personally, I recognized 9/11 for what it was, as it was happening, and I have written about my thoughts and reactions of that day on my own blog. As you can see if you read this piece, I desparately wanted to be wrong; I really didn't want to face the obvious fact that my country had been hijacked by extremely evil people.
Since then, I have read a great deal of the so-called "debunking" that has been going around; for the most part I have to admit that I have wanted this so-called "debunking" to be true. Because if it was true then I could go back to my naive belief that the government is on our side; I could stop all the anti-bullshit blogging that I feel compelled to do, trying to wake up my fellow country-men and -women; I might even be able to relax a little bit and enjoy my time with my wife and kids.
Unfortunately, perhaps, even though I have wanted these "debunking" sites to be convincing, I am honest enough with myself to admit that they are only so much bullshit.
Will you someday be that honest, Ari? How about you, Perry Logan? Will you ever admit the truth into your minds --- regardless of how unpleasant it is? Or will you keep your heads in the sand for the rest of your days? It's up to you; and what you finally decide makes no difference to the eventual outcome. The truth is coming out and there is nothing you can do about it.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 9:42 am PT...
Before any human can cause enlightened thought within another there has to be at least some combustables to catch the spark. The word void comes to mind, add damp to that. Forty odd yrs ago, anyone who considered the Gulf of Tonkin Incident anything but an overt attack against the US Navy was considered nuts and suitable for the gallows. Lets look back, a third rate power agressively attacked elements of the US PacFleet with glorified sampans. This stupid heinous act of agression was carried out by the same crazed madmen that had brilliantly fought the Japanese and defeated a modern reconstituted French Military. Yup! duhhhhhh the American public ate that one hook line and sinker. Might I add with two fleet carriers within sortie distance with aircraft loaded and pretasked. Take a hike guys, people here are not buying the Official line of crap. We might never know what really happened but we will not die with your stupid smile on our faces.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 10:13 am PT...
I read through the reports and the transcripts. Didn't seem to find anything enlightening. What I did find missing was the cockpit voice recording from flight 93. We have heard reports of a fight in the cockpit, the door being forced open by the passengers, and cries of Allah is great as the plane went down. None of that here.
While at the site I came across another Bush administration lie: Link Here
"The January 25, 2001, memo, recently released to the National Security Archive by the National Security Council, bears a declassification stamp of April 7, 2004, one day prior to Rice's testimony before the 9/11 Commission on April 8, 2004. Responding to claims that she ignored the al-Qaeda threat before September 11, Rice stated in a March 22, 2004 Washington Post op-ed, "No al Qaeda plan was turned over to the new administration." "
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 10:23 am PT...
I found This photo of the flight 77 entrance hole at the pentagon. Now tell me that a Boeing 757 made that hole!
From Serendipity Website Photo found in section 1: Introduction - Sub-paragraph 1.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 10:30 am PT...
I'm just wondering.. do you roam the internet looking for any reference to 9/11 and plugging your website? Stick around for awhile and chat with us.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 10:51 am PT...
Here is the FBI's wanted poster for Usama bin Laden:
From teamliberty.net -
On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11."
Surprised by the ease in which this FBI spokesman made such an astonishing statement, I asked, “How this was possible?" Tomb continued, “Bin Laden has not been formally charged in connection to 9/11." I asked, “How does that work?" Tomb continued, “The FBI gathers evidence. Once evidence is gathered, it is turned over to the Department of Justice. The Department of Justice than decides whether it has enough evidence to present to a federal grand jury. In the case of the 1998 United States Embassies being bombed, Bin Laden has been formally indicted and charged by a grand jury. He has not been formally indicted and charged in connection with 9/11 because the FBI has no hard evidence connected Bin Laden to 9/11."
It shouldn’t take long before the full meaning of these FBI statements start to prick your brain and raise your blood pressure....
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 11:02 am PT...
Quite a lot of people are passing out leaflets at Oliver Stone's new movie to counteract its deceptiveness. If you would like to see the leaflet, or print some up yourself, go here.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 11:12 am PT...
That is a photo before the facade fell down ... which is quite a metaphor for the official facade which is also falling down.
Even Lou Dobbs is willing to broadcast the fact that more than one of the commissioners who did the investigation say they were repeatedly lied to by government officials.
The trolls here are afraid of the truth ...
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 11:30 am PT...
Here's the text of the leaflets.
The film you just saw was a visceral portrayal of the horrifying events of 9/11. But did you notice the anomalies?
WTC7: Late in the film and late in the afternoon, WTC building 7 collapsed, even though it wasn't hit by a plane. WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein even admitted on PBS that it was intentionally demolished. That kind of controlled demolition implies explosives planted weeks in advance.
Bombs in the towers: The WTC towers themselves fell at approximately freefall speed; again pointing to a planned, controlled demolition. This is reflected in the film’s portrayal of explosives going off in the tower before the collapse. Real FDNY firefighters reported those explosions.
Molten metal: Stone’s film also accurately portrays the molten metal pouring from the towers before collapse. Burning jet fuel can’t melt steel. Dr. Steven Jones of BYU tested samples of the towers and found evidence of the explosive thermate, which can melt steel.
This evidence all indicates that the destruction of WTC was a pre-planned INSIDE JOB by elements inside our government. 'WTC,' the film ends by stating: "This must be avenged... if only we are brave enough to do so." Are you brave enough to bring the true perpetrators of 9/11 to justice?
Doesn't sound like a bunch of buggy conspiracy theorists to me.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 12:42 pm PT...
Lou Dobbs should setup someone from st911.org vs someone from NIST. NIST is afraid to show up to debate st911.org members, although repeatedly invited. How about a little one-on-one, Lou?
If you work backwards, WTC-7 was not hit by a plane, but fell freefall demolition style. Therefore there were demolition explosives planted ahead of time. Therefore, if that's true, why doubt that they were ALSO planted at 2 adjacent buildings?
I'm sure we can ALL ADMIT that WTC-7 was not hit by a plane and fell freefall demolition-style. True? So, if that's true, why is it a stretch the twin towers were also planted by the same guys who planted them in WTC-7?
It takes weeks to plant demolition explosives in a skyscraper. Demolition explosives were planted in WTC-7 weeks ahead of time. They didn't plant them on the day of 9/11, when Silverstein said "pull it", right? How come Silverstein isn't questioned as being complicit in all of this? How much $$$ did he make in insurance money on the buildings?
WE shouldn't be asking these questions, our GOVERNMENT should've 5 years ago! That's why I think they were in on it. They tried too hard to cover up everything and dodge questions. WTC-7 is not in the 9/11 commission report. wtf?
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 12:48 pm PT...
I'm not clicking on links from shills anymore.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 12:50 pm PT...
What shills don't realize, is that it's easy to trick a rightwinger, but not an independent progressive.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 12:53 pm PT...
The molten metal was of a color that very strongly indicates it was not aluminum, and therefore, not metal from any aircraft.
I would also point out that the charges would not have to be placed weeks in advance. Days would do fine.
We know that under psy ops you have to deal with scrubbing a year or so before the event.
An FBI agent, O'Neill, was made head of security at WTC a couple of weeks before 9/11.
He, a very highup, had been painted as an FBI bad boy in the press, and that he had retired to take on the security lead at WTC. The reasons portrayed in the MSM was that he was at odds with FBI supervisors.
But many changes "due to a new security official and his way of doing things" could have covered a lot of strange activity going on there.
And as to the statement that "thermate can melt steel" ... hell ... it can vaporize steel ... melting steel it can do in its sleep ... and steel anywhere near the vaporization will melt in all directions for a distance.
Hell, when it gets done, the steel is so disturbed that it will stay molten a long time because of the radical interactions that took and are taking place.
The basement area pools of steel would be a very expected result.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:04 pm PT...
How about that one picture, where a main girder was cut perfectly at an angle, with metal dripping from the cut? We've posted that here before.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:06 pm PT...
That is the first up close picture I had seen before the building collapsed - the second floor windows aren't even broken. I guess the tail must have folded up too!
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:09 pm PT...
Also, 9/11, electronic voting machines, and MSM misinformation and lies all work hand in hand. They are all related and all need to work together. The e-vote machines got Bushco in there and keep them in there, the MSM covers up and misinforms about e-vote machines AND 9/11, and 9/11 was the "Pearl Harbor" the PNAC and Bushco needed to circumvent the constitution. And e-vote machines keep the ball rolling.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:15 pm PT...
Here is a little report on the Oliver Stone 9/11 movie with a short clip of the bombs going off. Another review I saw the other day (which I can't find now) talked of a scene where they were trapped in an elevator shaft with molten metal from the thermate dripping down.
It seems Oliver slipped in a few things "under the radar" of the studios.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:37 pm PT...
Well, right! I was simply pointing out what was being done to counter the disinformation-filled heads of the majority of Oliver Stone moviegoers. It's the KISS approach (Keep It Simple Stupid) to getting people to turn their attention to the matter. I think this is a brilliant plan, especially since a friend of mine told me that he wasn't going to believe this 9/11 Truth stuff because Oliver Stone had not seen fit to include it in his movie. This friend seems to think that if Oliver Stone doesn't show forces within our own government at work, nobody should. My friend is EXTREMELY intelligent, and still he could say something that stupid. So I'm glad these fliers are being distributed.
Once you've managed to penetrate the hypnosis with information like: all three WTC buildings came down at very nearly freefall speed, and there IS no explanation for that other than controlled demolition, something not even OBL could accomplish without help from powerful forces in our government, then you can start telling them about the nuances. The same thing applies to pools of molten steel. First you show them that it had to be thermate, the military version of thermite, another thing "Islamo-fascists" couldn't have gotten. You get to the nuances, of which there are many, many, many, AFTER they want to know.
The method and the materials used to bring down all three WTC buildings have been established. There is proof, and the proof points at very powerful complicity within our own government. That is ALL people need to know to get them started seeing things clearly. That is vital to stopping all the killing and pillaging that is being done in the name of 9/11, vital to ridding ourselves of our criminal regime. Even if we miraculously get the EVMs off the table before November, The People have to see what was done to them to understand what is being done to them.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:40 pm PT...
I'm so relieved to hear that Oliver Stone may have been FORCED to botch his movie. I can tell my skeptic friend, while I'm fastening the earphones for the Tarpley interview to his head with duct tape.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:50 pm PT...
Here - I finally found that other review about the molten metal: Indymedia link
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:55 pm PT...
The saddest thing about 9/11 is the citizens who are too frightened to "turn the light on ". They would rather lie in their beds and hope someone is taking care of them.
If you don't want to believe that 9/11 was an inside job find evidence that it wasn't and prove it to us who have been suspicious from the first picture.
I have seen first hand, a controlled demolition of a steel and brick building, it went down like a pancake. An impacted building explodes outward.
Ari - Perry just answer why this President has obstructed and hidden so many details, why did it take two years to even begin an investigation? Pearl Harbor began in two weeks. When there is nothing to hide, answers come easily.
Do you really hope your loyalty will keep you safe? Evil people care little about others, and right now all American citizens are "others". Never before has this country been so sold out. What has this administration done to help America stay strong, financially, militarily, economically ?
It totally amazes me that anyone can defend Bush and this administration !!!
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 2:01 pm PT...
Anyone who's heard Malloy's interview with Webster Tarpley, heard that 9/11 and 7/7 were drills that suddenly "went live", might like to know that there is a drill planned for a nuclear emergency in Hawaii, starting tomorrow. 8/15-17. For all those wishing to put 9/11 in the past to concentrate on preventing the next one, something I've also heard a number of times, THIS is where you look: training exercises, war games, military and emergency response agency drills. Patsies are recruited to participate in the drills, act as the bad guys for the exercise, and end up being blamed for the terrorist action when the drill "goes live", without ever knowing what hit them.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 2:08 pm PT...
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said on 8/14/2006 @ 2:12 pm PT...
big dan said on 8/14/2006 @ 1:04 pm PT...
How about that one picture, where a main girder was cut perfectly at an angle, with metal dripping from the cut? We've posted that here before.
You mean this photo? http://thumbsnap.com/v/qyXTftwL.jpg
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 2:20 pm PT...
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 2:46 pm PT...
Thanks for the blog Winter patriot and all the comments. Hats off to the smartest writers and bloggers bar none. Also thanks for the links Old Turk. The news of a nuclear drill in Hawaii tomorrow is disturbing..Seems like Alex Jones of Prison Planet says there are others as well. I might be wrong..Anyway..let us pray for peace.(to the Father, Mother, sister, brother,whoever) Cindy Shaheen and the fasters give me hope. Just read that a major newspaper in Israel is calling for their president's resignation for the Lebanon invasion. Poorly planned in ways similar to our invasion of Iraq. The world is turning against war and it's spin masters.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 2:50 pm PT...
Someone emailed me about the Ghost Plane Theory, that no airplanes crashed into WTC at all, and these clips are supposed to show that.
I have NO idea, but it might help explain a LOT of the confusion about what hit the towers.
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
Pirate News TV
said on 8/14/2006 @ 3:20 pm PT...
Check out coverage of the 9/11 Truth Conference in Lost Angeles this year. Download all 24 hours of TV broadcasts from the 9/11 press conference, plus video of Professor Steven Jones' lab tests proving Thermate was used to melt the steel in WTC, plus the Hollywood award winning shockumentary miniseries September 911 Surprise, plus hundreds of uncensored hours of free video downloads:
The key to 9/11 is WTC 7, which "collapsed" on 9/11, without being hit by a jet, then Larry Silverstein confessed on PBS TV that WTC 7 was "pulled" in a controlled demolition of 1,000s of explosions. TV news video shows molten steel POURING out of WTC 1 on 9/11, which is exactly what Thermite looks like, since Thermite is literally powdered steel and powdered aluminum that burns just like gasoline. Combine that with the Pentagon's declassified Operation Northwoods confession, and that's all that's required to arrest the Bush Gang for perping 9/11. 9/11 victims are already suing the Bush Gang via the RICO Act in civil courts, for perping the 9/11 Massacres.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 3:24 pm PT...
Memo to Secretary of War Robert McNamara
Subject: Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba
signed, Jewish Zionist General L.L. Lemnitzer, chairman, US Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon
March 13, 1962
"We could blow up a drone (unmannded) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. The presense of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The US could follow with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existant crew.
Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.
We could develop a Communist Cuba terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Flordia cities and even in Washington. The terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the United States.
Use of MIG-type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping, and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type palnes would be useful. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce that fact. Hijacking attampts against US civil air and surface craft should be encouraged. It is possible to create an incident which would demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civilian airliner from the United States.
An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and the passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases.
The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rondevous. From the rondevous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly to an auxiliary airfield at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status.
Meanwhile the drone aircraft will continue to fly the filed flight plan. The drone will be transmitting on the international distress frequency "MAY DAY" message stating it is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.
It is possible to create an incident that will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack. On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly Tail-end Charlie. While near the Cuban island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. This pilot would then fly at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary.
The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who performed the mission under an alias would resume his proper identity. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.
A submarine or small craft would distribute F-101 parts, parachute, etc. The pilots retuning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found."
(declassifed in 2000)
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 3:39 pm PT...
Sort of off topic excerpt from NBC report about recent terrorist bust in England:
British officials knowledgeable about the case said British police were planning to continue to run surveillance for at least another week to try to obtain more evidence, while American officials pressured them to arrest the suspects sooner. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the case.
In contrast to previous reports, one senior British official suggested an attack was not imminent, saying the suspects had not yet purchased any airline tickets. In fact, some did not even have passports.
CBS Sunday Morning isn't very worried either.
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 6:03 pm PT...
You concisely said it all. big dan # 38. Thank you.
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 7:13 pm PT...
Nothing the government has told us about the events of 9/11 makes any sense,.. one would need an IQ of 25 to
digest this fish story, hook, line and sinker.
Jet "crash" in Pennsylvania,.. debris was found eight miles away. That plane could have only been hit by a missile or some sort of explosion
broke it apart while airborne.
Flight 93 black-box tape end of flight the plane disintegrated 100 to 200 feet above the ground.
It broke apart mid-air.
Blackbox tape - Flight 93
Flight 93 - eight mile debris field
Oddities about Flight 93 "crash site"
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 7:15 pm PT...
I'm amazed too. How much more evidence do they need? Why can't the evidence be explained away, with a real investigation.Only one thing they can be afraid of. The truth of what they have done. I was happy to hear Mr. Tarpley say the dam is breaking.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 7:41 pm PT...
Mysterious "White Jet" seen/reported just prior to
the "crash" of Flight 93,.. the government denies
there was ever another plane in the area.
Mysterious "White Jet"
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 8:08 pm PT...
#46: Yep! That's the picture.
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 8:12 pm PT...
GWN #53: THAT is the big picture...they all work together, it's not an accident, it's a PLAN! The corporate MSM, 9/11, and e-vote machines are not 3 accidental separate entities, 3 totally unrelated miscarriages of justice going on accidentally independently. 3 huge things like that are planned, and work hand in hand.
I accidentally said that very well and very concisely! LOL!
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 8:12 pm PT...
A slow motion closeup of the penatration of the plane in your second link is discussed in my note here it includes a link to the video.
Anyone who hasn't seen it be sure to check it out - very strange sequence of events!
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 8:13 pm PT...
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 8:17 pm PT...
I also think, if you take down 1, all 3 will come tumbling down. The MSM: you can start watching LINK-TV and FSTV for the real news. E-vote: we're onto that right here, as well as Lou Dobbs. 9/11: we got st911.org and a host of others, and Lou Dobbs. They are fighting 3 fronts.
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 8:24 pm PT...
That, like, way so, way, so, way so rocks!!!!!! The need for accuracy, at the Pentagon especially, was crucial. Agent 86 calls it again! He's said, "Missile in drag," from the first.
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 8:54 pm PT...
How about this: If we know it, most of congress, including Democrats, know it. You have to consider that. Not just Republicans, although they control everything. Do you think WE know this, and ZERO Democrats know it? Come on! They know it, and aren't saying anything, either. Maybe they didn't participate, but neither did we, and we know it. Maybe that's why it's going so slow, our congress is made up of all participants and people who have knowledge of it. Maybe they have knowledge of it, but after the fact. So who in our congress is going to expose it? No one! That's why nothing's moving, as far as our government exposing it, goes. It would be the end of the whole congress, or most of it, as well as Bushco. Maybe Bushco is blackmailing the whole congress. Just a thought. And NSA tapping their phones! What if it's even worse than you can imagine? Think about it...our congress says NOTHING about the 9/11 truth movement, even though there's millions in it. That is very, very strange. They are not acknowledging something that huge is going on, with millions of people. How come we're not talking about how our entire government is being silent on this? Is anyone in congress talking about the 9/11 movement?
The e-vote machines took care of one of the only vocal 9/11 people in congress (Cynthia McKinney). Still think that runoff wasn't hacked?
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 9:26 pm PT...
From what I have read and learned these past years (thank God for Al Gore inventing the internet) has put my mind in a quandry. I try to absorb it all and try to connect all the dots, but feel at times the challenge is analogous to emptying an ocean with a tea spoon. At this point I humble myself to those with intelligence, insight, fortitude, bravery, honor, love, and hope to propell and push the truths so hard fought for and won. Do not give up, use your strengths to continue your efforts.
It is working and I am happier every day due to your efforts. Your strengths and perseverence do not fall upon deaf ears, but give others strength and courage to defeat the evils that have befallen upon us. And you know the evils of which I speak.
I know the struggle as is perceived by some is likely to be their efforts to control the world and it's resources for the few while eliminating and or controlling the many. This struggle is mighty and NY - Never Forget, is but a page in their book of conquest. A book of limited popularity and one in nature more akin to that of Grimm's fairy tails. If we do nothing or fail to act appropriately in time, the book will continue to be written and it is we that will become the dust between the pages.
Maybe Lou Dobbs is the chink in the armor we have been looking for. Please write to Mr. Dobbs your most convincing appeals. Copy his competitors, bring Keith Oberman on board. It is difficult to break into the hearts and minds of the men and women in the media, but it is the media we must access.
Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, and Arron Brown were all great men, but they are gone. Others do not want to go their way, so they remain quiet. Dr. Griffin, Dr. Jones, Dr. Tarpley, and many great others have seen the light, but we must crack the media for the Scholars for Truth need our help. Please help to encourage Mr. Dobbs to continue his fevor as he has done so eloquently for so long against the border. But now Mr. Dobbs, they have minimalized the border and increased your importance for a more serious matter. This I can not overstate.
The real polls are in our favor. Never Forget.
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2006 @ 9:34 pm PT...
Charles, hang in there - it can get overwhelming and discouraging at times. Times when you just want to give up. Times when you can't begin to grasp it all.But the momentum is growing and we keep plodding along in our efforts to turn this thing around. More and more are joining the motion. Stay with us as we grow in mass and let's see where this takes us!
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
said on 8/15/2006 @ 1:40 am PT...
The flickering candle
in a gale force wind
whose flame will never be extinguished
always lighting the way home.
Bless your good heart.
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
said on 8/15/2006 @ 7:06 am PT...
The question of why aren't more Democrats and responsible Republicans (and there must be some !) speak out. One word FEAR.
Anyone daring to speak out seems to have an accident or committs suicide, sometimes it takes a double gunshot to the face to complete death, or cuts his wrists with the right hand when he is left handed. You know what I am saying. What about the strange deaths of 13 microbiologists in less than a year? Healthy, young people suddenly dying, and so many from one profession. Isn't anyone else beginning to wonder?
Democrats in Congress are no different than us, they have families to consider, who wants to be the first to speak up and suffer the consequences from the most evil group ever in power. Interesting that Bush Co don't even bother to sugar coat the lies anymore, pretty much take it or leave it to the American public.
Thank God for Lou Dobbs, Brad Friedman, Winter Patriot and the few who have the courage to speak for us.
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
said on 8/15/2006 @ 10:41 am PT...
I second, third, and fourth Texaslady's comments above. Bless those honest voices!
I tried to download the Malloy interview last week (a 5-hour project) and was cut off after 4+ hours had been completed. Hah! I'd really love to hear it - but enough is enough.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
said on 8/15/2006 @ 10:49 am PT...
Charles, BB2, OldTurk,
Hold on, you good people. The truth has always managed to come out in the past - sometimes too late, but always. We now have instant communication on our side. Just keep the lines open!
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
said on 8/17/2006 @ 9:58 pm PT...
Dear Old Turk,
Thank you for your optimism. If the tree falls in the forrest and there is no one to listen, does it still make a sound? If the truth falls upon deaf ears can it still be heard? In this climate of fear, is it reasonable to fear deafness? Do we merely feign deafness? I am afraid we do.
When I hear the call for All to Wake Up, it reminds me of my alarm clock beconing me from my slumber, but somehow I incorporate the incessant sound into a dream from which I can not awake. It is a disturbing dream. It is a facimilie of reality.
My point is, we are hearing the alarm calling us to awaken, we stir, we turn, our dreams are annoyed, but yet we sleep. Our majority is asleep. The alarm is ringing. The truth is calling. We must wake up.
The work day is upon us. What is our job? Is the unemployment rate so high, the work can not be accomplished? Are we awake, or is it a dream?
To do, or not to do, to be or not to be, To do what? to be What? We must ask ourselves.
Forgive them God for they know not what they do. I say, not this time. They do know what they do.
I am not finished, but I must sleep, this is a dream, this is a nightmare. I must wake up. I hear the alarm. I hear the call. What is the call?
Did I miss the call? Who is calling? Who cares? What is to be done? When will it be done? Where will it happen? Why must it be done? How will it happen?
Ask your self and others, does it matter? Of course it does.
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
said on 9/18/2006 @ 8:35 am PT...