READER COMMENTS ON
"'Daily Voting News' For August 20, 2006"
(13 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 8/20/2006 @ 9:00 pm PT...
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2006 @ 1:24 am PT...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2006 @ 2:59 am PT...
If they remember to use a unique number to identify the choices of each voter, then we are finally starting to make progress. If they are repeating nonsense then the posted results are nothing more than nonsense repeated. How many times does one have to repeat nonsense before that nonsense becomes the truth? I've never see that happen yet. I really don't think it will work this time either.
Even a vvpat is worthless if it can be replaced after verification by another “paper trail” the matches the results the computer program chose on the day of the election. If nobody who verified there choices can verify that those choices are still on the paper trail that is still in use then nothing is really verified at all! How many times does one have to tell these people everything before they can start to comprehend anything?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2006 @ 9:15 am PT...
I spent election day 2004 in Columbus, Ohio watching in horror as black voters stood in line in the rain for six to eight hours to vote because Matthew Damschroeder intentionally moved electronic voting machines out of black districts and into Republican districts. Some black precincts that had five or six electronic voting machines in the promary, were allotted only two or three for a general election in which unprecedented numbers turned out to vote for change in American politics.
Damschroeder also left about 82 machines in Franklin County's storage facility. So my gut reaction is that, having received huge criticism for his horrifically bad performance in the 2004 General Election, Former Republican County Chair and current Franklin County Board of Elections Director Matthew Damschroder is going to try and appear to be a fair-minded election official.
To further add to the stench out of Columbus, it is also the home of Diebold Elections Systems and it was from here that former Diebold CEO Wally O'Dell issued his now famous statement that he looked forward to delivering the electoral votes of Ohio to George Bush in the 2004 Election.
Finally, you might want to read about the differences beween the polls for state-wide voter reform initiatives offered in Novmeber of 2005. Final results differed from the polls by as much as 40% and all four voter initiatives lost, after the historically uber-accurate polls by the Columbus Dispatch said the four initiatives were likely to pass with 54 to 70% of the vote. See: http://www.freepress.org...nts/display/19/2005/1593
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2006 @ 9:47 am PT...
Hoomai29 (#4) you are such a spoilsport. The votes for Ohio in 2006 have already been counted. Now we just have to wait for them to be cast to make it official.
Watch GINNY (#1).
The fact is, Ohio will have an honest election when the majority of people in Ohio go to the streets (well armed and ready to kill) and demand it. Not a day earlier.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2006 @ 9:52 am PT...
Federal suit brought against Auglaize County (OH) BOE by dismissed Director. Names Blackwell, seeking declaratory judgment of failure to execute statutory duties.
Linda Huber, who was replaced March 2 by Carolyn Campbell, filed the civil action Wednesday making 11 claims including fraudulent procurement of federal funds, wrongful discharge and sunshine law violations against former and current members of the Elections Board, Auglaize County Prosecuting Attorney Ed Pierce and Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell.
This is a convoluted tale. The preceding Director (Burklo) was ousted (read "pushed out by Blackwell's rep") for the relatively minor transgression noted. (I'm sure our venerated SoS wouldn't want anyone looking into that whole mainframe access thing from 2004) The Board, not realizing how important it was to cover that up, was shocked at their treatment by SoS rep. (I don't think there's one member under 65) The Board remained loyal to Burklo, and tried to put her in another position at the BOE. SoS said no. This woman - Huber (who I believe I’ve dealt with) seems okay, but the article indicates a focus on the given reason for Burklo’s firing rather than the underlying one, and also says Burklo was keeping inactive names on the voting rolls.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2006 @ 12:15 pm PT...
Early voting starts today in Florida. I'm leavin' work in a little while, and I'm going to go vote for Clint Curtis. Wish me luck.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2006 @ 12:38 pm PT...
Good for you David Francis, and anybody else who can SHOULD vote in Florida to make it obvious what they are doing.
But have no illusions: When Clint Curtis (who perhaps more than any other human being on the planet deserves to win an election) is declared the winner in an election held in the United States of America, I will walk down the main street in Portland Oregon in no more than sneakers and a thong on the day of the first snowfall.
Clint will get 49%. He should know --- he wrote the code.
Brave bodies in the streets willing to die --- that's the only way "democracy" is ever going to happen again in the United States of America.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2006 @ 12:50 pm PT...
Excuse me for jumping in but I want to let you all know Part II of ms in la's interview with Mark Crispin Miller, David Dill, and Sen. Debra Bowen talking about the insecurity of our elections is up at General Clark's website. Please listen and pass it on!! It's a good one!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2006 @ 1:55 pm PT...
Hey Charlie L.
As much as that probably isn't a sight I'd like to see, I'm going to look forward to seeing that. We're gonna win. People are getting the word about votenow2006.com, and we will be victorious. I'm on the case, and I don't intend to lose.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2006 @ 3:13 pm PT...
Putting the votes online - GREAT!
I had posted a proposal on the Randi Rhodes forum for online "exit" polling, which was unfortunately deleted. However, the crux of the proposal is to vote online, and redundantly.
Voters can register with organizations ("voter verification organizations") that they know and trust, and which "knows" them - their church, their employer, their clubs, their party. These organizations would be provided with free, turnkey, standardized software which allows them to host a voting web site.
After voting, voters would then go online and report their votes REDUNDANTLY, to all of these organizations.
These organizations provide their data, via web services, to statistical analysis organizations REDUNDANTLY. The archetype here is a statistics department at a university.
These organizations would analyze the data independently of each other, but must make all of their analysis public, right on their web site.
Hopefully, results will either "converge", or else it will be easy to see whose analysis is flawed and/or which voter verification organizations' data should be thrown out, for whatever reason.
Such an exit poll would have no legal standing (well, what exit poll has legal standing?), and the vote verification organization may not properly secure their data, so voters who desire their votes to remain secret are at risk of loss of privacy.
On the upside, with sufficient participation, we can KNOW, in a statistical sense, who really won each election.
Note that the exit polls in Ohio '04 were certainly tampered with, to converge on the official results (see uscountvotes.org), and I expect them to be even more untrustworthy going forward.
We need an exit poll we can actually trust.
(NB: Part of the story of the great vote thefts of '00 and '04 was how the media refused to cover it. My proposal for bypassing our corrupt media is still extant on the Randi Rhodes forum. My boilerplate:
I have posted a proposal on the Randi Rhodes show forum for replacing our current media with a new, sustainable media that facilitates the selection of "filtering agents". You can think of these as honest gatekeepers that YOU trust - and that keep out trivial information, rather than very important information that groups with economic and other hidden agendas prefer to hide from you.
Broadband access is now up to 42% in the US, so it is quite possible to target TELEVISION, which is how about 48% of Americans get 30+ minutes of news per day (as opposed to only about 9% over the internet). See http://people-press.org/...isplay.php3?ReportID=282
The thread is entitled: "Putting the NY Times Out of Business"
The thread is subtitled: "Proposal to replace ALL corrupt media"
PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ANYBODY WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED)
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 8/21/2006 @ 4:03 pm PT...
David Francis #7
I wish you all the luck, and Clint too. Not because the dentist is a bad guy, but because Clint is the only one who can do the job there at this time.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 8/22/2006 @ 4:02 am PT...
Bob Young #3
How many times does one have to tell these people everything before they can start to comprehend anything?
You can transmit as many times as you like, but if the reciever isn't turned on, nothing's going to happen!