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"VIDEO - John F. Kennedy on Secrets and the (Apparently Former) Role of a Free Press..."
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
... Mar said on 11/13/2006 @ 11:15 am PT...
This video should be required viewing for the media as well as all government officials.
Makes me wonder what the world would have been like today had JFK not been silenced.
Totally agree Mar #1. Sent this to Keith O and will send it to c span also.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
... Skate said on 11/13/2006 @ 12:19 pm PT...
Great speech. Weak Video--over edited visuals detract rather than add to the message.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
... Rick said on 11/13/2006 @ 12:47 pm PT...
Verdict in on Tom Noe
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 11/13/2006 @ 12:53 pm PT...
How about this question: Why isn't a video like this, well known by us all??? Answer that question yourself...
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 11/13/2006 @ 1:08 pm PT...
Jurors reach verdict in GOP Ohio coingate scandal!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 11/13/2006 @ 1:33 pm PT...
Noe found "GUILTY" in Ohio/GOP coingate scandal!!!
Brad's buddy Noe is "GUILTY"!!!
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
... cloverleaf said on 11/13/2006 @ 1:50 pm PT...
This clip is priceless and so very apropos...some 4 decades later. One can only imagine where we would be today if his "dream" had been allowed to come to fruition? In that same vein, it's clear that since his assasination, this country has moved in the diametric opposite direction to that dream. Where was Bush 41 when JFK's dream was snuffed out?
Where was Bush 41 on 9/11? Where was Bush 41 on just about every major crossroad this country has encoutered since the days of JFK? Where was Bush 41?
Where was Bush 41 when his notorious Carlysle Group of Saudi Oilmen were secretly flown out of the country for their safety, when airspace was ostensibly closed? Where was 41?
Now it would appear that the ghost of 41 is pervading our democracy once again with the appointment of Gates to replace Rummy. I say we need to be very "careful what we ask for"....for with Robert Gates we probably, aha...once again get Bush 41!...it appears that 41 is snaking his way back into the heart of this democracy once again. For what reason? Perhaps because he's never really left at all? Who has been running this country anyway?
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
... Diane said on 11/13/2006 @ 2:11 pm PT...
Re # 8 Cloverleaf;
Hmmmmmm. Gates for Rummy. Sort of like Gonzales for Ashcroft?
God these people are sneaky.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
... cloverleaf said on 11/13/2006 @ 2:14 pm PT...
sneaky snakes....indeed! Arghhh...snakes in the white house!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
... cloverleaf said on 11/13/2006 @ 2:16 pm PT...
Diane....wasn't Gonzales also named along with Rummy and Tenet in the German charges of war crimes? Think so. I was definitely not at all impressed with his knowledge of the law nor his personal IQ in his appointment hearings....pretty scary that he's attorney general....yikes!
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 11/13/2006 @ 2:20 pm PT...
The great divide between bush & JFK is immeasurable. IMO JFK was assassinated because he wouldn't use dirty politics against the American People.
#5 Big Dan
Why isn't a video like this, well known by us all???
Because we have Soviet Style Media ???
#7 Big Dan
Bring 'em ALL down!
The Greedy Orwellian Predators
We Could use a few more like Jack & Bill not perfect . . . . . Just great . . .
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 11/13/2006 @ 2:28 pm PT...
You nailed it.
Watch out for whoever the BCF nominates or hires. They all have the Family Agenda as the main goal. They are powerful and ruthless & do things within the shadows, hidden from sight by their propaganda machine.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 11/13/2006 @ 2:29 pm PT...
Judge of Judges #13
You got it. At least they TRIED and they were virtual SAINTS compared to the current gang of thieves.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
... cloverleaf said on 11/13/2006 @ 2:30 pm PT...
I propose that the "disease" in this country began with the JFK assasination where the Truth still has yet to be revealed. From that point forward, this country began an unprecedented truth decline - where George Orwell's vision of american in l984 was not too far off, as it may turn out.....where lies became truth, history was rewritten, war became peace, patriotism became terrorism and the semantics of a nation were altered to fit the prevailing policy of the reichwing agenda.
It's certainly beginning to look that way. And, the Bush empire kicked it off with Bush 41 heading up the CIA when Kennedy was killed....and now with 43 finalizing the "coup on america". The "larger picture" is definitely coming into clearer focus for americans who lived to see it all unfold. In order for healing to take place, I suspect that we need to go back to that pivotal moment in this democracy (JFK's murder) and begin there.....otherwise, it will only be a piecemeal effort and will take a century of uphill climb for this country to recover from it's self-inflicted deterioration.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
... Kira said on 11/13/2006 @ 2:39 pm PT...
I agree with you, Cloverleaf.
Let's not forget that pivotal moment on 9/11. If people start there & work back in time the dots will practically connect themselves.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
... brewguru said on 11/13/2006 @ 2:40 pm PT...
Excellent speech by itself--should have been left as an audio link. The video slide show is hack and detracts from JFK's message.
Why isn't a video like this, well known by us all???
The Masons, Knights of Columbus & the Smoking Man control YouTube and therefore THE WORLD!
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
... cloverleaf said on 11/13/2006 @ 4:17 pm PT...
#17 Kira...quite serendipitous how the dots seem to be "connecting themselves" for us since we do not have the courage to do it ourselves, isn't it? It's as though the spiritual world of "the truth of events" is speaking to us almost supernaturally.
Events which heretofore have seemingly not been connected are somehow magically being connected. After all we ARE spiritual beings having a human experience; the truth of all things is "out there in the intangible, spiritual realm" so it's not unseemly that we humans, are often susceptible to the truth being shown to us, at precisely the time that we are "ready to accept it". Slowly but surely, the consciousness of this generation of americans is learning the appropriate lessons in order to reach higher levels of spiritual calibration. We calibrated at our absolute highest immediately following 9/11 where "unity" prevailed...not just within this country but the rest of the world was unified behind us. And, almost immediately, we jetissoned all of that in the name of pure power....."absolute power corrupts absolutely", another lesson well learned.
Now that the teachers are in place and the lessons, at least ostensibly learned by a majority, will we continue to raise ourselves up? Or will we again refuse to implement this serious "lesson of truth"??
The choice is now; the choice is ours....will we collectively have the spiritual courage to stand behind our morals and values and do "the next right thing" or will we be hell bent on repeating our lurid past mistakes?? Will we have the strength of our convictions to "walk the talk" or simply return to our old habits of merely "talking the talk"?
The adage applies: "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear"....
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
... Cyteria said on 11/13/2006 @ 5:24 pm PT...
Good for you, Brad. JFK is a hero of mine. You just showed why.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
... Ram said on 11/13/2006 @ 7:49 pm PT...
Resurrect the Kennedys' speeches! Thank god we have their words still. JFK and RFK --- long may your words live!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
... MarkH said on 11/13/2006 @ 8:13 pm PT...
41 headed the Cuban group supposed to overthrow Fidel in the Bay of Pigs and it's been aledged a couple of them were in Dallas.
41 was maybe CIA director when V.P. Rockefeller died.
41 was fired by Jimmy Carter!
41 helped with the arms for hostages deal made with Iran
41 was there when Reagan was almost killed. Another Bush was to have dinner with another Hinckley. See link below.
41 was there when Iran-Iraq war raged with U.S. aid
41 met with a bin Laden on 9/11/01
41 was there when Kuwait pushed Saddam into invading.
41 was there when the Repubs needed someone to carry out Iraq II and he said, 'Junior can do it.'
Of course, this doesn't make a very firm case for guilt. The sun came out each of those days too.
Will 41 be there when Iran 'attacks' us? It's an intriguing set of dots which probably will be tough to connect properly. But, if we don't head off Junior, then we're very likely to have endless war for endless profits.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
... Larry Bergan said on 11/13/2006 @ 11:23 pm PT...
How refreshing to hear a man who actually believed in the words he was saying rather then someone who stupidly admits he thinks his job is to catapult the propaganda.
Bush got applause for that line, but it was from a pre-selected audience. Kennedy would never have arranged a rigged audience and, like Clinton, never would have stifled debate. Democrats make better leaders. Period!
Any trolls out there are more then welcome to challenge me on that!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
... Ancient said on 11/14/2006 @ 9:34 am PT...
Hey, I don't know if it's my kid's computor or what, but the links aren't working for me. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRH
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
... czaragorn said on 11/14/2006 @ 10:10 am PT...
Hey Cloverleaf - I saw your post and I'm responding without reading through the rest of the thread, and I hope I'm not just replicating someone else's comment, but I can recall (sorry, no link) GHWB saying that he couldn't recall wqhere he was when he heard that JFK had been put down. That makes him utterly unique among Americans I've discussed that ungodly day with...
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 11/14/2006 @ 10:45 am PT...
This might lead to the impeachment of Bush...
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
... Ancient said on 11/14/2006 @ 11:30 am PT...
Boy did that hit the spot! Jog those old memory cells of a time too quickly forgotten. Timing is everything Brad (Great of you to do the comedy show) and the timing on this speeh is PERFECT!
THANKS TOO ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
... Ancient said on 11/14/2006 @ 11:32 am PT...
I'm gonna save that, and play it every day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
... Ancient said on 11/14/2006 @ 12:09 pm PT...
Some days more than once, like TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm 52 years old, from Sweden, so I'm as nostalgic when it comes to JFK, as any American, I guess. But I've read this speech, and heard it, and it is not at all what so many seem to think.
And what tipped me off, as a professional voice-over artist, was the somberness and lack of energy in his voice.
This is an excerpt from a speech to the American Newspaper Publishers Association, on April 27, 1961, where JFK actually threatens (I can't put it any more mildly) the publishers, that if they don't censure themselves, he might be forced to make them. This is just the very long and quite cowardly prologue to the big BUT.
Just prior to the clip JFK said:
"This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct concern both to the press and to the President--two requirements that may seem almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for a far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy."
And it was secrecy he was requesting...
But I am asking the members of the newspaper profession and the industry in this country to reexamine their own responsibilities, to consider the degree and the nature of the present danger, and to heed the duty of self-restraint which that danger imposes upon us all.
Read the whole thing, please, it's not as wonderful and innocent as it may sound out of context...
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
... Larry Bergan said on 11/14/2006 @ 8:30 pm PT...
Mikael Walivaara #30
It would be illuminating to know all of the circumstances under which Kennedy was asking the press to be careful, but I would assume this speech concerned the very real threat of actual nuclear war with another, so called, superpower, the Soviet Union.
You would have to contrast this with Bush's threats against the press for exposing his own violations of the constitution amid greatly overblown exaggerations of Iraq's ability to inflict "mushroom clouds" on the landscape of America. I do admit, given the length of the speech, it was probably not necessary to truncate the content.
Hi Larry #31,
it is very obvious --- he was worried about all the debate surrounding the Bay of Pigs debacle, April 17th. Not nuclear war...
But the important thing is the fundamental irony. This speech is the very proof, of how controlled the press was then and is now.
The president asks the press to be quiet, or he might consider censorship. That's why it ought to be compulsory reading to everyone --- not the other way around.
And, WHEN you read it, note that he begins with the revelation that Karl Marx worked for U.S. Illuminati-founder and NYT publisher, Horace Greeley. (Kennedy does not mention, that Marx assignment was international correspondent and political analyst...) Marx wrote the Communist Manifest as a member of the German Illuminati Lodge "The League of Just" and was payed for by Nathan Rothschildt.
That's also quite ironic --- for the Marxists of the world.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
... Larry Bergan said on 11/15/2006 @ 11:45 am PT...
As I recall from recent reports, Kennedy apologized for the Bay of Pigs incident. Something our present "leader" would only do if he was being tortured instead of pampered constantly by all those around him, including the congress and media.
I have practically no knowledge of Karl Marx, or the illuminati, so I have no comments there other then to say that I'm not sure some form of communism, (most likely not anything yet tried), would be worse then our present out of control, winner take all, capitalism that seems to be headed for a complete breakdown. When I was young, there were checks and balances. Something Kennedy must have realized because of the fact he wanted to lower taxes on the rich.
Do you think the present day Democrats are "just as corrupt" as the present day Republicans? That seems to be the "conventional wisdom" or "in the mainstream" take, (which includes fake polling and voting results) of the whorish media, which America now endures. There was at least one instance where CNN actually changed the wording of a speech Bush gave to get him out of trouble. Kennedy didn't need that kind of help and had more honor in one hair on his head then Bush has in his entire ancestral family!
OK, I can't say that for sure, but it sounded pretty good!
Thanks for your thoughts Larry,
I guess this won't make you respect my opinion more than before, but yes, I do think that the Democrats are just as corrupt as the Republicans --- with one, very important distiction: The Dem's voters believe in government! (Good!)
My opinion, and that includes all the European governments as well, is that you won't even become eligable for any office, unless you are corruptable. And that was certainly also true for Kennedy, Johnson, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 41 and Clinton.
We are living in a new and very important period of time. Traditional parliamentary rules are being questioned --- especially right here, thanks to Brad's important work --- and the fraud and cheating does not limit itself to Diebold or local officials --- it's endemic in the whole system. No candidate even appears on a ballot unless the real leaders decide that they are harmless and controllable.
I truly believe that real democracy is out there, somewhere, just around the corner. But not in the form of Communism --- trust me, that's my political speciality!
What you've been going through in America the last five years has been related, but still not even close... Remember, Lenin killed more than 10 million of his own, Stalin another 25 million... Bush has "only" killed six thousand... Yet.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
... Larry Bergan said on 11/15/2006 @ 8:21 pm PT...
I respect everybody's opinion unless I think they're purposefully lying, and I see an astonishing amount of that going on today. Perhaps if the media, especially radio, employed more then one liberal for every 300 "conservatives", we could start to see a pattern of deceit there. Maybe in the next decade, we can get a 50/50 mix there, but I doubt it.
I am perplexed by your inclusion of Jimmy Carter in your list of corruptible politicians. I can stop practically any Republican on the street and will get no argument if I exclaim Carter was the most honest president in history. Carter had the guts to tell Americans the truth about the dire consequences of continuing down the path of unrestrained consumerism and lost an election because of it.
If it was a form of communism that allowed the people in Keiv to stay in the streets until the man who actually won the election was allowed to recount his votes and be put in office, I am intrigued by that, because there is a cold chill on any kind of visible protest here these days. If you left your job for a week here without giving a months notice, you would lose your insurance, medications, seniority, income... everything that protects you from falling right through the cracks.
I've never been the least bit against someone who works harder then me having more money, but on the other hand, Bill Gates doesn't work thousands of times harder then I do.
You must have meant Bush killed six hundred thousand, didn't you?
Stay tuned. I'm quite sure the Democrats will soon be putting more honesty, transparency, fairness, accountability ect.. in the system and not simply taking away everything I believed my country stood for. I guess the Republicans thought that if they gave us a big car, we wouldn't have any problem with losing our freedoms. While conspicuous consumerism is gratifying to some, it is killing us, and I hope the democrats have the guts to "tell us like it is", just as Carter did almost 30 years ago. We are ready to stop destroying the earth and rushing around producing things we don't really need.
Thanks for your perspective, and I'm not saying I have all the answers, but I'll put any of the democrats you named against any of the Republican leaders as of late, Reagan inclusive.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
... Larry Bergan said on 11/15/2006 @ 8:22 pm PT...
I like Ron Paul!
I didn't say Jimmy Carter was dishonest --- I said he was corruptable. I'm sure the FBI and any number of secret "intelligence" had him very firmly attached to reality, by means of dosssiers and black mail.
But I can't say I've got proof --- just his very ambivalent criticism of GWB. As I can remember, Carter has actually defended Bush's Iraq policy from time to time? Or am I wrong?
And yes, you're right --- the numbers are close to seven hundred thousand --- but I wrote "of his own", his country men. (We've even had conservative op ed's here in Sweden questioning those numbers, but I've read the Lancet report, and it's very hard to dismiss.)
But I, honestly, hope you will be right about the future of the Congress. I have absolutely no desire to win this discussion.
But let's make a deal:
•if there is no credible new 911 commission,
•if there are no impeachment investigations against GWB,
•if there are no checks and balances for Katrina,
•if the Military Commissions Act isn't stopped
•if Halliburton and all the other war profiteurs aren't brought to justice,
•if bin Laden isn't captured,
•if the oil companies aren't forced to repay parts of their criminal profits
• if the question of voter fraud in both the 2000 and 2004 elections isn't seriously investigated
• if new rules for lobbying and campaign financing aren't voted through
• if stemcell research isn't allowed
• if the secret concentration camps aren't stopped
• if the secret surveillance and wire tapping isn't stopped
... and I could go on and on, then you must accept that something is seriously wrong?
But If changes start to happen within Pelosi's famous 100 hours, like impeaching Bush, I salute you, and I promise to fly over to the US and personally deliver a bottle of Moët & Chandon to you, Larry.
It will be my true pleasure!
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
... Larry Bergan said on 11/16/2006 @ 5:33 pm PT...
Carter was one of the harshest critics of the war, calling it "unjust". I don't remember him supporting any of Bush's plans.
We know Pelosi isn't going to do anything about impeachment in the first 100 hours, but I've been thinking maybe they better get the troops out of harms way before any other action. Putting Murtha in, is a brave step and may be a move in that direction.
I'll admit freely, I'm very, VERY apprehensive about the possibility of the Democrats ignoring the voting rights and machine issue, or passing another half measure like Holt's "paper trail" bill through! I really am!
Personally, I see nothing wrong with coming up with a bill to CANCEL ALL LEGISLATION PASSED since Bush took office, (except for the bill that stopped solicitors calling my home - I like that one)! I see no reason to spend 30 years, getting back to what we were before Bush!
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
... Larry Bergan said on 11/17/2006 @ 12:18 am PT...
Nice chatting with you Mikael!
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
... Rachel said on 12/15/2006 @ 9:47 am PT...
Mikael and others,
I have not kept up with what is going on in the United States Empire as much as you all have been, but my instinct is with Mikael. As you have already made it known to us, you are not trying to win an arguement, but I just want you to know that I agree with you more so than I agree with anyone who has tried to defeat your comments on this page. Let me just say that I am yet another one of the many Americans out there who is on that same page along with many other people in the world as well.
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