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READER COMMENTS ON
"John Conyers, Chairman of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee..."
(25 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
... MMIIXX said on 12/14/2006 @ 11:17 pm PT...
Dear John ,
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
... K Ols said on 12/14/2006 @ 11:36 pm PT...
I am glad to hear this news, but very disappointed that he won't be bringing Articles of Impeachment because Nancy Pelosi objects.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
... big dan said on 12/15/2006 @ 5:05 am PT...
John, you are one of my favorite congressmen...one of the only ones...but, please bring articles of impeachment against George W. Bush.
Time for reconsideration of the concept of impeachment, in the real world.
There are far better things than impeachment ... letting preznit blush and The Dick ruin the republicans' chance for being elected president and regaining control of congress in '08 for instance.
If they keep up their pig-headed ways, the voters, [assuming the dems out-hack the republicans ] will vote to keep them out of office for decades to come.
Read the link in my first sentence to get a feel for a better impeachment strategy.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
... czaragorn said on 12/15/2006 @ 7:07 am PT...
I believe we should for once at least set aside political considerations and do the right thing. Messrs. Bush and Cheney have undoubtedly committed high crimes and misdemeanors, and it is not up to any individuals (Conyers and Pelosi come to mind here) to decide that it would not be politically expedient to pursue the constitutionally dictated remedy. I thought this was a country of laws, not men! Does anyone else remember all the talk about the country not being able to withstand prosecution of Noxin? Clearly, the right thing to do is to hold hearings, get at the truth, and then remove the offenders from office. Period. The public will overwhelmingly support this course of action once fully informed. Anything less would make an utter mockery of our already battered democracy. I am a great admirer of Mr. Conyers, but he is on perilously thin ice here. So much for my opinion...
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
... Mar said on 12/15/2006 @ 9:24 am PT...
czaragorn # 5
I like the idea of impeachment also, but the problem is, HOW to inform the public when most of the media is controlled.
Dredd's # 4 makes a good point also.
Geeeze, it's so frustrating for the patriots in the U.S. but I know deep down their glory days will come around eventually.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
... Larry Bergan said on 12/15/2006 @ 4:14 pm PT...
Of course I've been very happy with John Dean's perspectives on the Olbermann program and his calling these crooks "Republicans without conscience" in his book. He makes some good points in his piece about impeachment, but if the Republican congressmen are going to be unwilling to impeach Bush and Cheney because of their own complicity, what makes Dean think they're going to impeach the lesser participants in the destruction of American law?
The thought of getting rid of many future Republican law breakers, (rising stars), makes me salivate though!
I will always carry Dean's comment, when asked about them by a woman on C-SPAN, about the voting machines in the back of my mind. He said there wasn't anything wrong with them. I wish he would recant that ridiculous statement somewhere.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
... Pablo de Albuquerque said on 12/15/2006 @ 5:22 pm PT...
How 'bout starting with a simple little investigation of Halliburton...
Impeach the Veep- Then Pelosi can say "I didn't say anything about Cheney"
Investigations will be done. That's the appropriate and correct thing to do. Where those investigations lead, I don't believe anybody could tell you.
If people need to be held accountable, I believe they will be. And, in fact, should be. No matter the "political calculations". It is the Constitutional duty of Congress to do so. And if they don't push back, where appropriate, the bar is lowered each time for the kind of criminal behavior we've seen in this administration.
Mind you, the above are my opinions and mine alone. Not based on any particular insider insight.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
... Grizzly Bear Dancer said on 12/15/2006 @ 5:37 pm PT...
Today Rumsfeld got a heroe's exit party thrown by bush and cheney. An architect of 9/11 and an outright lying murderer responsible for the pre-emptive attacking Iraq which never posed a threat to the United States. No more responsible for the 9/11 inside job than Canada or Mexico. After killing over 700,000 Iraqi civilians in a war of lies, how safe is America NOW? Will the America people and CONGRESS ever investigate 9/11 past watching video of WTII and then WTI go down after being hit by commercial jets?
Evil treasonous lying bastards. World Trade building #7 a 47 story steel concrete building which housed offices of the CIA, the FBI, and i believe the Secret Service, in addition to Criminal Murderer Mayor Giuliani went down 10 hours later than the twin towers on that day. Located over a block away there was a small containable structure fire on the 22nd floor although it collapsed controlled demolition in it's own footprint like the other towers. Never shown on TV BECAUSE no airplanes hijacked by box cutter wielding Alkaidas to blame since it was never hit. Fuck these lying treasonous bastards that call themselves American. Warmongers who took all these rights away from Americans in the name of chasing their own terrorist tails.
What about the over 200 environmental laws reversed by the 109th congress? What about the fact that we lost a piece of the Arctic the size of Texas last year? (over 8%) What about bringing our brightest world scientists and environmental experts forward in front of the Capital mic???
Thank God! Someone better put this fire out before we all go out in Bush's flaming hell. Now if we could just do something to wake up the rest of the sheeple...
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
... Arry said on 12/15/2006 @ 5:41 pm PT...
As most of you know, I am a supporter of the impeachment of Bush, Cheney, and Gonzales. (Rummy got away - not from criminal charges though.) Dean, nevertheless, is right in that it wouldn't happen in current circumstances. He also makes some excellent points about impeaching others, something that should have been done in the Iran-Contra case where it could have been shown that illegality is not business as usual. In fact it is serious and leads to impeachment. I think we would have been in much better shape now if it had been done.
I'll continue to push for the impeachment of the top leaders as I consider it my civic responsibility and something that, from the nature of the crimes committed, should always be "on the table". (Locally we've developed and impeachment resolution which has been sent to the White House, Congress and all appropriate officials and agencies.) But let's see what Conyers does and always remember that situations and circumstances evolve depending on input. (Conyer's job) I suspect Bush, Cheney, and company will be on very thin ice themselves and that's what we want.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
... Arry said on 12/15/2006 @ 5:45 pm PT...
Of course, when I am speaking of Dean, I'm talking about Dredd's link in # 4.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
... Arry said on 12/15/2006 @ 5:50 pm PT...
Also, I'm overstating the case in saying after Iran-Contra it was business as usual, but I think you get my point. The Constitutional remedy should have been used.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
... onyx said on 12/15/2006 @ 6:17 pm PT...
JC said "...the Republican Congress was largely derelict in looking at any of the Bush administration's excesses."
So far he has said that he will be derelict in is duties to uphold the law by impeaching Bush and Cheney for the incredible crimes EVERONE knows they commited. So all he is going to do is look at the crimes. That won't do for me!
We need to put the pressure on - and I'm talking pressure like the Dems have never seen. Then if they don't respond, to hell with them!
I've already written at least a dozen letters to various congressmen.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
... czaragorn said on 12/16/2006 @ 7:18 am PT...
Yeah, Mar #6, it's frustrating as hell
Brad #9 - quit being such a tease. It's time for televised hearings, like back in the good old days. Even the Republicans knew how to do what the health of the nation required, back when Watergates were way more important than Whitewaters (although no one could even imagine such a monster corporation as Blackwater - the irony ain't lost on me...). All this needs is a little sunshine. All we have to do is get public officials to go on the record, RECORDED by us!!! Even Noxin had to slink away! Duhbaya ain't all that formidable!
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
... Arry said on 12/16/2006 @ 9:43 am PT...
As I said, I'm willing to see what Conyers will do. We live in a different country from that of the early '70's. Five corporations control 80+% of the "news" (and control more of the nation's wealth). Also, the last Congress was a full accomplice in some of the egregious unconstitutionality that we have been subjected to. So, we have to think carefully about the content of articles of impeachment and we also have to work with Conyers to open up, clarify, and evolve the situation. We certainly can't be bystanders.
Our own impeachment resolution is here
We could have submitted page after page, but we had to boil it down - it was necessary - so nobody is entirely satisfied with it, but, all in all, I think it is pretty good.
BTW, here's the Articles of Impeachment against Nixon for a comparison.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
... Arry said on 12/16/2006 @ 9:56 am PT...
I should point out that our "Americans for Constitutional Integrity" is not an apparently defunct ACI that wants to "restore" God into of the Constitution. (Heaven forbid.) That one comes up a few times in a Google search.
No, we came together for the purpose of impeaching Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Gonzales, but are now broadening our areas of Constitutional concern.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
... K Ols said on 12/16/2006 @ 10:22 am PT...
As I recall it was the public putting pressure on Congress that got the ball rolling on impeaching Nixon. Followed by some Republican Congress members going to the WH to tell Nixon it was either resign or be impeached.
Keep up the pressure on Congress particularly the Republicans. I do think there are some Republicans who don't need much pressure to get them on our side.
Amy and David Goodman were on cspan with Bryan Lamb. That's progress. Hope cspan covers the upcoming hearings.They had gotten too boring for words in their fascist phase.I'm sure a lot of dem. viewers stopped watching. I sure did, a long time ago.
Brad #9 - quit being such a tease. It's time for televised hearings, like back in the good old days.
I agree. And I think they will be.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
... Larry Bergan said on 12/17/2006 @ 2:24 am PT...
I wasn't very political when I was 21, but I sure remember those Nixon hearings! That would get everybody away from the talent shows and even the video games!
This is sooooo different from Watergate! The evidence against these traitors has been widely know for years now, (thanks to Al Gore), and there are literally hundreds of people chomping at the bit to spill the beans on dozens of REAL crimes.
C-SPAN will be there to fill in for PBS this time, which is compromised by crony leadership, but after this bunch goes down, PBS can stop having fund drives and be like it was in the good old days before Reagan. A station which serves the people, funded by the government!
The media will try to say that if it doesn't involve sex, we just won't be interested.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
... GWN said on 12/17/2006 @ 10:33 am PT...
I really don't see it happening, investigations/impeachment I mean. Conyers will be made to stay quiet and NOTHING will come of it. Sorry to be so negative but after all that has happened and all the crimes committed I don't think anyone will be punished. The democrats who would make noise won't be allowed to, Feingold, Howard Dean... McKinney spoke the truth but and she has been shut down too. bush will go off to Paraquay and live a "normal" life. The rest will resign and go on their merry way.
It's just blah blah blah and then nilch...
(They haven't even taken our Amar off the "no fly list" and he was found not guilty by our laws. They won't even acknowledge OUR laws. The guy can't get work and his name will be tarnished by being on the no fly list.) I'm discouraged and don't see justice ever coming to those b@#%&*TARDS!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
... GWN said on 12/17/2006 @ 10:49 am PT...
Correction. I meant Arar...not Amar.
"Stockwell Day said he didn't know whether Arar was still on the American watch list, telling a Commons committee he had recently posed the question to U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.
Their response was — I'm not saying I was totally satisfied with it — that because it was a matter of privacy that if Mr. Arar or perhaps his lawyers would contact the State Department, they can find that out," Day said."
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
... czaragorn said on 12/18/2006 @ 9:08 am PT...
Thanks for justifying, once again, my faith in your good judgment, Brad. It's a no-brainer, really - if we just set out on that old yellowcake road we'll eventually unmask the nasty little man behind the curtain who has the blood of literally hundreds of thousands of civilians on his oily hands. Like every other road, as you pointed out, this one must be laid one cake at a time. Let's let the chips dip where they may!
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