READER COMMENTS ON
"Election Contest Decided by 3 Votes, Judge Refuses to Order Hand Count of E-Voting Machine's 'Paper Records'"
(12 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 3/27/2007 @ 1:58 pm PT...
Question: How many morons does it take to fill a courtroom.
Answer: One, if it's the judge.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 3/27/2007 @ 2:45 pm PT...
Another reason why, the day it started to come out, I called the Holt II bill a "fraud" was not only for caling paper trails that NEVER are counted on the first counts "BALLOTS", but also because when it's really close and an automatic state recount is triggered by the closeness of the race and it happens that the recounts "approved" by the corrupt State Legislature (Like Florida and Ohio had, in fact) are only automatic MACHINE recounts, thus totally defeating any HAND AUDIT promised by Holt II in the classic situation where it is VERY MOST NEEDED.
Talk about NOT saving the day.
But in general (think CA50 and any other corrupt election situation) one ALWAYS has problems and hazards in relying on ANYTHING post-election. After all, you've got a "sore loser" the process is all but preparing new drapes for the winner... The media has gone home. The challenger's campaign staff is on vacation.... It's a very poor time and very poor mechanism to trust our entire election integrity hopes to. Thus, secret first counts on optical scans are as bad or even worse than touch screens, because worst of all is the false confidence generated by "paper ballots" (even when real) which are rarely effective in saving the day.
So rare, that we tend to know the few times they ever do. Like Washington state 2004 gubernatorial race. I was there, did a study on e-voting in that race. Counting volunteer efforts it took millions in expenses on both sides to pay for and fight out those recounts. Gregoire, an AG prior to running, was able to fundraise nationally, but would a sec of state candidate or judge get a similar level of fundraising and support?
Recounts and audits just bury all of our hopes for paper under a mountain of expenses and illusions, while keeping first counts secret and corporate, but still the news headlines after election day. The FIRST COUNT is where it's at, but all present congressional election legislation insists on keeping those first counts completely secret and completely corporate.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 3/27/2007 @ 4:08 pm PT...
go to http://www.ss.ca.gov/exe...releases/2006/06_167.pdf to see former SoS McPherson state: "The mandatory private audit trail will be used for a FULL recount as necessary." This statement is at the bottom of page five of his press release dated October 31, 2006.
So, is the paper trail the official ballot, or not. What authority does a judge have to overrule the SOS?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 3/27/2007 @ 4:09 pm PT...
oops, "private" should have been "paper. Freudian slip?
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 3/27/2007 @ 4:19 pm PT...
Hey Brad, another lie appears to have come and gone down in Sarasota, did we catch it ?
"State election officials initially said Monday that they agreed to abide by the parameters set by the manufacturer, Electronic Systems & Software, but hours later called back to say that was not correct."
Link to SP Times article
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 3/27/2007 @ 5:54 pm PT...
Most folk here probably expect me to cuss about this.
I'll not do it today, maybe another day though.
I will say that what's the point of electronic voting machines, if not CORRUPTION, if the votes will never be hand/manually counted vs. these insidious unconstitutional bad machines.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 3/27/2007 @ 7:36 pm PT...
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 3/27/2007 @ 7:38 pm PT...
Actually this title is a little misleading because Orange County is a Hart Intercivic customer, and thus the machines they use are DRE's but they are NOT touchscreens. While a subtle distinction, it's important, and hopefully the general public will one day come to understand some of those crucial differences.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 3/27/2007 @ 7:40 pm PT...
Ugh I can't believe the ignorance. This is why E-voting should be banned.The people in power that have no technical knowledge screw everyone when they make such ignorant decisions.
And can we please make vote tampering a felony already?
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 3/27/2007 @ 8:07 pm PT...
Thanks WS. And I knew that. Will update the headline accordingly...
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 3/28/2007 @ 9:20 am PT...
Ok, here's the law:
15601. The Secretary of State, within the Secretary of State's
existing budget, shall adopt regulations no later than January 1,
2008, for each voting system approved for use in the state and
specify the procedures for recounting ballots, including absentee and
provisional ballots, using those voting systems.
19253. (a) On a direct recording electronic voting system, the electronic record of each vote shall be considered the official record of the vote, except as provided in subdivision (b).
(b) (1) The voter verified paper audit trail shall be considered the official paper audit record and shall be used for the required 1-percent manual tally described in Section 15360 and any full
(2) The voter verified paper audit trail shall govern if there is any difference between it and the electronic record during a 1-percent manual tally or full recount.
Quite clear the the voter verfied paper audit trail is the 'official paper audit record' and a recount is an audit of a vote so who knows what was in this judges head outside of wanting to kick the ball to a higher court.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 4/3/2007 @ 10:53 pm PT...
MAIL THIS TO HOLT. I believe Holt is ethical and simply doesn't realize what sort of problems are going on here. If he did, I bet he'd revise his bill himself.