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"'Daily Voting News' For May 5 and 6, 2007"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 12:22 am PT...
I gave a link over on Raw Story to Brad's article from last month about France and the e-voting machines but there didn't seem to be much interest in it. Last time I checked people were posting as if it were a legitimate election.
I then went to the World Socialists website and they wrote an article about the "election" in France. They were not pleased with Royale to begin with and the campaign she ran, but they didn't say anything about the voting system.
Then I went over to Mike Malloy's message board and the few posts there implied the "election" in France was legit and not a word there about e-voting machines in France. In fact, no one's talking about it that I've seen except here.
On Malloy's message board the thread was titled "How could Nicolas Sarkozy have won? And one person responded:
53.1 % voted for Sakorzy
46.9 % voted for Royale
My thoughts after reading that...
Oh simple math huh? How damn naive and apparently ignorant about the new voting machines in France. I don't trust any elections from any country these days especially after 2000 in the U.S. and with the corruption in governments all over the world how can someone say "simple math!" The "election" may have been legit in France but I wouldn't bet on it.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 5:39 am PT...
I just checked Americablog to see what Chris in Paris had to say about the "election":
"One final tidbit of interest from the election yesterday is that roughly 20% either abstained or voted blank in an otherwise high turnout of 84%."
Hmmmm. This might require a little looking into...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 7:05 am PT...
Dire warnings, yes. Statistical anomalies, yes. But NO SMOKING GUN, like we have in Ohio. (Still, by the way, largely ignored by the corporate MSM!)
I think it is still too early to judge the failures or successes of the French general election.
Be patient, be vigilant, but also be open minded.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 7:59 am PT...
Well, it's true that Le Pen poisoned the well by urging his supporters to abstain, but considering the DRE issue at work here, I can't help but think of Sarasota...
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 8:06 am PT...
If now is not the time to bring this issue up on your national agenda, when will it be?
To me it looks like deja vu all over again.
Electronics in elections can not be trusted.
Electronics in elections can not be validated.
You only need to look at the physics of electricity.
I pray you figure this out and do something about it (like get the word out in your Corporate Media) before you end up like us in the USA.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 9:34 am PT...
Anyone familiar with the multiple hacks that have been done of the Diebold, E E & S, and Sequoia vote-stealing machines here in America will be, and are, suspicious of foul play in the French election.
1) these machines are known to be designed for hacking --- or they might as well be. (Diebold code was written by a computer fraud felon).
2) the NeoScum menace is known to value deception, lying, and fraud above all other tactics in their quest for dictatorial power over the world's population
3) the French were snookered into "voting" on these vote-stealing machines
4) the France-hating monster Sarkozy "wins" the election promising to make French workers work longer for less and lose their national indentity as they are made just so many more cogs in the European Union for the benefit of huge corporations.
Given 1) through 4), I wonder if there is any reason to doubt the outcome of the "election?"
Nah, go back to sleep, then wake up and go shopping --- and do NOT complain about the the gas prices, soon to be $4/gallon. Sleep, sleep....daddy will protect you...chemtrails are nothing but contrails....9/11 was pulled by a dead man in a cave....etc. etc.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 10:15 am PT...
interesting... the paperless machines are used and the consternative candidate wins...
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 10:38 am PT...
I suppose they didn't have much thought for the machines in the same way we in America didn't before the 2000 or 2002 elections. It takes time to see how this works and then to react takes more time.
I had hoped they would take our situation as a warning, but I guess it just isn't the same until it happens to you.
Best wiches to Ms. Royal and all French citizens.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 12:07 pm PT...
I suspect that this one will explode big-time in France.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 12:50 pm PT...
The French election was stolen--Slam Dunk!
There's just no stopping the Powers Of Darkness.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 1:36 pm PT...
Here's what the World Socialist writer said about the "election."
Nicolas Sarkozy wins French presidential election
By Peter Schwarz
7 May 2007
Nicolas Sarkozy will succeed Jacques Chirac as president of France on May 16. The leader of the right-wing Union for a Popular Movement (UMP), the party founded by Chirac, won yesterday’s presidential election with 53 percent of the vote. His opponent, Socialist Party candidate Ségolène Royal, received 47 percent. At 85 percent, voter turnout was amongst the highest ever recorded. It was slightly higher than the 84 percent in the first round of the election two weeks ago.
Sarkozy’s ascent to the highest office in the state marks a shift to the right in French domestic and foreign policy. The 52-year-old son of a Hungarian immigrant made a name for himself with his provocative attacks on impoverished youth and immigrants. He campaigned on a platform combining fervent nationalism with calls for law and order and neo-liberal economic policies. An active member of the Gaullist movement for three decades, Sarkozy has occupied ministerial posts for the last five years—first as minister of the interior, then of the economy, and then again of the interior.
Half an hour after the polling stations close on Sunday night, Sarkozy gave a public address. He began by describing his “unspeakable pride to belong to a great, old and beautiful nation.” After paying respect to Madame Royal and assuring her voters that he would be “the President of all French people and speak for all of them,” he interpreted the election results as a mandate for a fundamental shift to the right: “The French people have chosen to break with the habits and the ideals of the past. I will rehabilitate work, authority, morality, respect, merit! I will bring back to the French the pride to be French.”
While foreign policy had not played a major role in the election campaign, Sarkozy devoted a major section of his address to this subject.
First he assured his European partners, “that I have been pro-European all my life, that I believe in the building of Europe and that France is back in Europe this evening.” It was necessary however, he qualified his remarks, to recognise “the anger of the people who perceive the European Union not as a protection but as a Trojan horse for all the dangers that the changes in the world bring with them.” During the campaign Sarkozy insisted that he will never agree to an admission of Turkey into the European Union, even though the EU is presently negotiating a Turkish admission with French consent.
Next Sarkozy launched “an appeal to our American friends in order to tell them that they can count on our friendship ... I want to tell them that France will always be at their side when they need her.”
And finally he called for the building of a “Mediterranean Union” modelled on the European Union and for close collaboration with Africa—indicating the main areas of interest of French imperialism.
Ségolène Royal admitted defeat barely five minutes after the polling stations closed. Happily smiling she thanked her supporters and vowed that she would move the Socialist Party further to the right. “You can count on me on deepening the renewal of the left and in looking for new convergences beyond the present borders. This is the condition for future victories,” she said.
Dominique Strauss-Kahn, one of the heavyweights in the Socialist Party, described the election results—the third defeat in a presidential contest since François Mitterrand left office in 1995—as a disaster, for which the failure of the party to move sufficiently to the right was to blame. It was now high time to renew and open the party and to develop it in a social-democratic direction, he insisted.
Similar conclusions were drawn by party chairman François Hollande. “We have not sufficiently understood the need to open up, to broaden our base”, he commented on the defeat.
In reality, the exact opposite is the case. The political rise of a right-wing figure like Sarkozy is the result of the shift to the right by the Socialist Party, the Communist Party and the petty-bourgeois left over the last three decades. Royal herself conducted an utterly right-wing campaign, partially modelling herself on British Prime Minister Tony Blair and competing with Sarkozy on nationalism and on being tough on crime.
Sarkozy was able to exploit the confusion and demoralisation this produced. He went out of his way to present himself as a representative of “hard working France,” as a man who rose from humble origins, who is opposed to the traditional political establishment, and who will make sure that work will pay off again.
Already in the last years of the Mitterrand presidency, the National Front of Jean-Marie Le Pen was able to make considerable inroads in poor suburbs with a high percentage of immigrants, exploiting the distress and fears of many of their inhabitants.
It is significant that 62 percent of those who voted for Le Pen in the first round supported Sarkozy in the second- and this despite of the fact that Le Pen himself called for an abstention. Only 12 percent voted for Royal, while the rest abstained.
At present, Sarkozy’s UMP has a huge majority in the National Assembly. This could change however after the elections due in June and July. A poll published on Sunday night sees the UMP gaining 34 percent, the Socialist Party 29 percent, the UDF 12 percent and the National Front 7 percent. The greatest strength of Sarkozy is the utter cowardice and the right-wing character of the misnamed “left.” Its further shift to the right and its refusal to conduct any serious struggle creates the conditions where Sarkozy has a chance of consolidating his parliamentary majority.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
james k. sayre
said on 5/7/2007 @ 3:53 pm PT...
Hmm, the French election results are "counted" by electronic computerized voting machines from ES&S? Sounds very interesting. The GOP has been happily rigging and stealing elections electronically, starting with Senator Chuck Hagel, Nebraska, who had his very own corporation's voting machines "counting" the votes back in 1997. Not even a mesely paper trail. As Bush would say, "It's all done electronically, you know." The American GOP really went to town with electronic computerized election theft in the 2002 and 2004 elections.
Also, the conservative "winner" of the recent election in Mexico won with electonic computerized software created and run by his brother-in-law...
It looks like the treasonous hand of the Bush crime family has gone international in their election rigging and election thieving...
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 5/7/2007 @ 5:25 pm PT...
Florida, Ohio, Mexico, France. Looks like a pattern. The riot squads in France are on high alert, you can be sure. I don't think the people of France will be as docile about electronic attacks against their democracy as the good folks of Utah. The Overwhelmingly Fascist Media will be as gutless reporting this (or is it more accurate to say "invested in not reporting this"?) as they have been about the War on American Voters in the States.