READER COMMENTS ON
"Rightwing Mainstream Media, Blogosphere Refuse to Retract Assertions That 'Plame was Not Covert'"
(20 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 5/30/2007 @ 4:00 pm PT...
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 5/30/2007 @ 6:03 pm PT...
We'll also await the many trolling dopes who have posted comments on these pages over the years, claiming that Plame was "not covert", to post their retractions here. We'll not hold our breath.
Continue to not hold your breath. My impression is that Greenwald is not up to speed on the semantic dispute in play here - at the CIA, the terms "covert" and "classified" are used interchangelably *without* reference to the Intelligence Identities Protection Act 9see the Waxman hearing, for example)
However, the act itself defines covert as an agent having classified status and meeting other attributes (service abroad, CIA taking steps to conceal his/her identity).
From very early on, the dispute has swirled around whether Ms. Plame had covert status *under the statute*, not whether she was "covert", i.e., classified, in CIA in-house parlance.
And this filing from Fitzgerald does not answer that, for any one who reads it carefully. For example, he offers her employment summary (prepared by CIA? DoJ? Who knows?) which says she is "covert", but that exhibit does not explicitly reference the IIPA - sort of an odd omission, unless it was being carefully phrased to meet a goal rather than advance our understanding. To be fair, they allude to the IIPA in their use of language, so I do suspect this memo was written with the specific goal of pretending that she was "covert" as defined by the IIPA without flatly saying so.
So, this new filing doe snot resolve the dispute. Sorry.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 5/30/2007 @ 7:42 pm PT...
Tom Macquire says
"So, this new filing does not resolve the dispute. Sorry."
The unvarnished truth is that the day Plame was outed, Brewster-Jennings a covert multi million dollar tax payer funded CIA front company was destroyed. End of story. This is the fact. An important covert front company specializing in wmd's was taken out by the Bushies and their criminal cabal.
Plame testified she was covert and was telling the truth you idiot. Brewster Jennings was destroyed by the Bushies this is the FACT! ALL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, TECHNICALITIES AND SPIN TO THE CONTRARY ARE MUTE!
They have been guilty of treason long before these new Fitz filings for those with the brains to connect the dots. Do you still believe the Wilson discredit Rovian Spin? I quit swallowing that horse shit almost from day one. It came from the WH.
Forget Wilson, forget Niger, forget covert, the Bushies had their sights set on Iran and they were paving the way by taking Plame out. "Creating' the reality of Armageddon and stopping any 'real' intelligence before we even had a chance to catch up with the lies on Iraq.
These sick, conspiratorial, evil, illegitimate, killers and war criminals must be stopped for the honor of this nation to be restored. Period.
Bad intelligence is their modis operandi and scapegoat supreme...how many times must we be fooled!
TREASON plain and simple...the number one crime for impeachment. Shout it from every rooftop, write it to every paper, call it to every senator and congressman...ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. This is the straw to break the 'camel's back.
What could possibly be worse than destroying covert CIA intelligence sources after the intelligence failures and tragedy of 911? (and now, surely Iran to follow).
Run with it people before it gets buried to the back page!
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 5/30/2007 @ 8:10 pm PT...
# 2 I rarely respond to "trolling dopes", but since you can't grasp that she was covert I'll ask you a simple question. Why did Valerie Plame Wilson have to quit her job?
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 5/30/2007 @ 11:17 pm PT...
LMAO @ Tom Maguire .. yeah, it's all a conspiracy! LMFAO.. get your tin foil hat on!
ignorant fuck.. Course, the entire right-wing is chock full of them. facts aren't pertinent, reality doesn't matter, the only thing that counts is finding a way to "get rid of" the "undesirables" so the "privileged few" can bask in their gluttony.. right, Tom? Get rid of those dirty Mexicans, dirty blacks, dirty rag-heads.. right, Tom?
The slow (and deliberate) destruction of the Bill of Rights, desecration of the Constitution, shifting of power and resources to the top 2% (and those willing to suck the dripping blood and shit from their toes).. that's what the right-wing likes, right Tom?
Trying to parse words and say "even though classified and covert are the same under the law, they didn't cite the law in the memo.. so it's a ruse".. what a schmuck. Go Cheney yourself, would ya?
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 5/30/2007 @ 11:27 pm PT...
I hope ...
I hope one day there is a trial where these pseudo- journalist will be found guilty of conspiracy and treason for their talking points misinformation on this very serious matter. If our constitution still works; all those that made these comments eventually will be held accountable or at least history will label them the traitors that they are.
I hope new evidence surfaces and the "I do not recall", "I cannot remember" testifiers get caught lying and jailed.
I hope the impeachment considerations begin in earnest.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 5/31/2007 @ 12:30 am PT...
Your "semantic" differentiation is a red herring thrown in to confuse the issue. The only defintion which is relevent in the discussion is that from the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 5/31/2007 @ 3:28 am PT...
LMAO, Thanks guys for the good chuckle... where did McGuire get his bunk from ?
Me thinks from the same people that this article is about.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 5/31/2007 @ 4:45 am PT...
These trolls and faux news turd blossoms have an invisible friend that talks to them and tells them special things.
They don't need people like us that live over here in reality. All they need is their daily dose of denial.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 5/31/2007 @ 4:49 am PT...
It's really very simple. She would be covert if a Democrat had outed her.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 5/31/2007 @ 9:28 am PT...
Why, because they HAVE to repeat this else the house of cards tumbles and takes the whole crew with it. It's a good example of the media being owned and obfuscating the facts (in this case outright lies) for political purposes. Plame was a covert agent, they are aware of the fact and this is why it must be repeated. It was an orchestrated payback to out her. Jesus, look at the list, I'm sure they are on a calling list. It's TREASON and the whole game hinges on this. Amazingly political loyalty is more important than national security. It's the definition of conspiracy because 2 or more people are plotting against the American public, facts be damned, for a freaking war they are losing, which was built on manufactured "evidence" (Nigerian Yellow-cake).
These jackasses are betting on the short attention span of Zombie-like Fox viewers who can only pass along talking points and willfully disregard the facts. I say if you support them, enlist, pick up that rifle and led the charge in Iraq.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 5/31/2007 @ 11:17 am PT...
Apparently the cover utilized by the CIA to protect the classified work of Ms. Plame worked very well. Even today, after the CIA has admitted their use of a cover, the (incredibly stupid and vile) Right Wing still doesn't believe there ever was one.
Now, that's what I call an effective cover!
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 5/31/2007 @ 12:27 pm PT...
Tom Maguire said:
To be fair, they allude to the IIPA in their use of language, so I do suspect this memo was written with the specific goal of pretending that she was "covert" as defined by the IIPA without flatly saying so.
So, this new filing does not resolve the dispute. Sorry.
Denial and minimization continue to be manipulation tactics used by the right-wingers. Learn to recognize all of the manipulation tactics and call them out on it whenever they attempt this morally bankrupt behavior:
Don't You Smell a Rat? How Republicans Deftly Shift Our Focus
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 5/31/2007 @ 1:09 pm PT...
Did you have an accident where the doctors had to amputate everything above the neck?
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 6:38 am PT...
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 8:53 am PT...
Patrick Fitzgerald, October 28th, 2005, @ 3:57 PM:
"Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified [emphasis mine], but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community."
Bwahahaha - case closed . . .
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 7:56 pm PT...
Reich Wingers today are basically as phucked up in the head as religious zealots (Fundamentalist).
The religion they goose step to is the Church of Bush and like all religions facts are meaningless, actually facts are to be vehemently denied at all cost.
Thus we have delusional psychotics like Tom Maguire here that don't have a clue what they are talking about.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 3:48 pm PT...
How does a covert agent drive into Lanley every morning where she can be spotted?
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 8:00 pm PT...
# 18 I guess you don't drive. I imagine she gets in her car, puts the key in the ignition, turns it on, puts the car in drive, or reverse if she's parked forward, and away she goes. Spots and all.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2007 @ 1:57 pm PT...
Covert agents don't work at Lanley for security identification reasons. Valerie Plame worked at Lanley.