READER COMMENTS ON
"BREAKING: CHENEY, WHITE HOUSE SUBPOENAED FOR WARRANTLESS DOMESTIC WIRE-TAP DOCUMENTS"
(14 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 6/27/2007 @ 12:10 pm PT...
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 6/27/2007 @ 12:15 pm PT...
If this leads to impeachment, fire up the afterburners. Cheney and his side-kick Addington are a threat to humanity. Time for a long-overdue showdown against the forces of evil.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 6/27/2007 @ 12:19 pm PT...
If we (the people) get screwed again by democratic inaction then I propose starting the-
Non-Corporate Democratic Party, Or the Non-Corporate Republican party (that one has so much appeal dosen't it), or Maybe the Non-Corporate Democrat Republican party to run for president.
Update that old crappy system of catering to the corporations and screwing the little guy. The Democratic 2.0 party!
Cause how many more Pelosi three card montey scams are we gonna fall for?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 6/27/2007 @ 12:34 pm PT...
Good points! I've long wondered why progressive Democrats don't just take over the Green Party, begin forcing the Democratic and Republican parties to go the way of the Whigs and the Tories.
Can't help hoping against hope that stuff like exciting subpoenas is going to result in our government being run competently again, but... really... we don't have any actual basis for that hope. The smoke and mirrors, the sound and fury, signifying nothing, has to come to an end. We gotta get results.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 6/27/2007 @ 1:58 pm PT...
That's what we have now for our leaders
Corrupt and morally bankrupt
They've been keeping everyone in check through illegal spying.
Time to stop them
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 6/27/2007 @ 2:37 pm PT...
The system is rigged to work for the two major parties only. It will take a major paradigm shift to change things. Don't look for it any time soon.
Meanwhile, don't expect the Rethuglicans in the Senate to side with the Dems when push comes to shove. They are happy to see this become a "constitutional crisis" that will be resolved when the Supremes rule 5-4 that the Unitary Executive doesn't have to do a damn thing it doesn't want to do and for the purposes of THAT decision, Cheney is in the Executive.
And if we can't get more than a handful of Democrats to support H. Res 333, then I don't see much hope for a successful impeachment, trial, conviction and removal of the Rethuglican scum Veep running (and destroying) the country.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 6/27/2007 @ 3:33 pm PT...
There I go, getting giddy again!
I just saw the news online at the NYTimes listed one hour ago and FLEW over here to make sure Joe Cannon knew!
Do you suppose Leahy is now reading Bradblog?
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 6/27/2007 @ 3:36 pm PT...
I don't know, Charlie, it might be as easy as Al Gore switching from Democrat to Green --- or whatever --- and entering the race....
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 6/27/2007 @ 4:48 pm PT...
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 6/27/2007 @ 6:32 pm PT...
Are Bushies pushing Cheney out?
Does Cheney want out and Bushies are mad?
Are events conspiring to force Cheney out?
Will Leahy's subpoenas force Cheney out?
There certainly are a lot of converging interests and so I suspect we'll see Cheney leave gracefully and avoid an impeachment fight. The subpoenas might be the straw to break the camel's back.
Dems in Congress have done their part to apply pressure with oversight hearings and I don't think their lack of ability to impeach and convict should be held against them. Sometimes ya got the power, othertimes you don't.
The possibility that Cheney has been considering a retirement and shredding documents is troubling. It's hard to say what he's destroyed and what image the remaining documents might show. There could be a distorted image of preceding events. Dems and Congress will have to tread carefully to avoid making hasty judgments.
Events are proceeding according to their own timetables, even if our withdrawal from Iraq are not.
Perhaps the stickiest question is who would be the best replacement for Cheney if he were to retire. Stevens may have legal problems. Thompson would have to at least surrender any future hope of becoming president. A Dem replacement is highly unlikely. Someone like Byrd (D-WV) is ready to retire, but probably too feeble to properly do the job of Veep, even for a year and a half. Warner might be fit for the job, but I don't know how Dems or Cheney would feel about him in that role. There may be other names of which I'm not aware --- backroom deals are probably being made, even as we write.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 6/27/2007 @ 9:52 pm PT...
I wonder if you got the Progressive Caucus to work together and in a unified stroke all switch their party allegiance to the Green Party, but still caucus with the Dems FOR NOW to avoid the Republicans getting any meaningful power... If they keep getting pushed by the DLC corporate Dems, perhaps this showdown at some point will be necessary!
If they did do it, they'd have to do it in on big massive movement, and be prepared to immediately provide a platform that most Americans would agree is superior to either the existing corporate Republican or Democratic Parties. Perhaps work with the Greens to change the name of the party to something like the "Non-corporate" party or the like. Perhaps some term that doesn't make it sound like you're totally against corporations' existence (aka what the opposite sides would call "communist"), but one that says that the people and the government are boss over our lives, NOT the corporations as is currently the case no matter which party is in power!
Need to pick very carefully the issues that the other side won't deal with (because it totally threatens their corporate rulers) and issues that the general public from both sides can find common ground upon. Things like public campaign financing, individual bankruptcy protection, universal health care, job outsourcing, immigration, corporate personhood, etc. Avoid putting too high on the list the issues that they love to throw at us to divide us like gay marriage, abortion, flag burning, etc.
Not to say those issues aren't important, but they are issues that they use to divide us to keep us from taking power away from them, and ultimately they could care less which side wins on those issues since those issues don't affect corporations and the elite directly.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2007 @ 12:52 am PT...
I like to daydream about all that being already in the works....
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2007 @ 5:05 am PT...
Since we will be hearing a lot about executive privilege, here is a 2002 article by a law professor, discussing the issue in the context of congress suing Cheney over the energy meetings issue.
Congress, after the article was written, sued Cheney who claimed the privilege. Cheney won in the courts. Here is a link to the Supreme Court Decision.
I would note that executive privilege weakens in certain cases where criminal charges are a factor.
The degree of weakening depends on the facts and people involved in the criminal scenario.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2007 @ 5:53 am PT...
If Cheney says that he isn't part of the executive branch, can he no longer claim "executive privilege"???