S-1487 is hopefully going to die in committee.

HR 811, as currently written, fails to ban dangerous electronic touch-screen (DRE) voting systems. It has been shown on the news that an ellection can easily be flipped without a trace on the software. This situation is out of control and if this bill passes as is, we can on longer trust election results.

Dredd said "S-1487 is hopefully going to die in commitee." Do you have any information that would shine light on the fate of this bill?

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S. 559 is the compliment to HR 811, not S. 1487, so it is likely to be seen as superfluous.

The congress is busy with oversight and the Iraq war. They are in a constitutional crisis mode, and superfluous things are going to the end of the line.

They are looping back and refining the process on contempt proceedings.

It is likely to get nasty.

The GOP is not jumping up and down happy about all of this, and would elect none of the above.

Once again, Kucinich attempts to reach across the aisle and ask that elected officials stand up and respond as a matter of conscience, ethics, and public interest.
Poor man - when will he learn that integrity has no place in D.C.? At least if he has that epiphany, he might be inclined (and still have time) to line his pockets and have a comfortable retirement after years of his party letting him down.

I mean, after all, everyone else is doing it. Who knows? His poll number might go up! (Despite the fact that they should be).

I'm emailing my reps. now. Could we have a posting of the best phone numbers and e mail addresses and phone call and write this month? I've noticed a lot of awful stuff is slipped in when WE are looking somewhere else. Election fraud...a bi partisan effort.

The DRE companies are getting help to stay in business from an unlikely camp: that of their sworn political adversaries, e-voting activists.

I’m on the emailing list of dozens of election-related web sites. Two recent alerts caught my attention. First there was the request that folks not only ask their representatives to vote against HR 811, but shun People for the American Way for their support of the bill.(Might have come from this blog or VR)

Then today Rob, (or someone) at OpEd news sent a little blurb announcing that HR 811 may have been brought to a screeching halt, and wasn’t this good news?

And of course, the Kucinich/Pelosi letter...

What I find amusing (once I’ve stopped crying) is that these activists seem to be totally unaware of how beneficial their actions are to the very DRE companies they decry.

I wonder that any of the DRE companies (known as the collective ETC since 2003) even bother to keep lobbyists on retainer. E-voting activists are doing such a good job of curbing legislation that might actually change laws and raise the standards for voting machines, why would DRE companies ever need to lobby again?

But of course they will, and they have.
[Check out the letter sent by ETC-regarding HR 811 http://gop.cha.house.gov...fl13/ETCJULY17LETTER.pdf ]

It is easier to kill a bill than to get one passed. So, although, there are some bills that are a challenge to kill (like Voter ID bills spreading the country like wildfire) HR 811 was never a sure thing . The money and lobbying behind Electronic Voting is substantial—and clearly the efforts of those lobbyists are paying off.

And as E-Voting activists attempt to Kill Bill (HR 811), sadly they offer in its place, little more than words and conjecture. There are no alternate bills of this nature, being considered in Congress that activists can agree on. So basically the plan seems to be to kill HR 811 and any bill like it, and keep voting as we have been.

One day, rather than bickering and whining so much, maybe we as election activists can lessen the yacking and actually get something done. Wouldn’t that be nice?

I mean, with enemies like those in the e-voting movement helping to keep election laws exactly as they are, the DRE companies hardly have a need for friends in Congress.

Thank God for Dennis Kucinich and Mark Crispin Miller.
Amen. Now, let's hope that Nancy Pelosi doesn't sell us down the river again on this.