READER COMMENTS ON
"NY TIMES: Holt's Election Reform Bill (HR 811) Going Back for a Re-Write"
(22 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2007 @ 9:25 pm PT...
So does the Feinstein bill die as a result of this?
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2007 @ 9:42 pm PT...
What a strange plot-twist..
Several interesting lessons to be learned here.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 7/19/2007 @ 11:43 pm PT...
Washington is in flux, and battle lines are being drawn.
One "old-line conservative" is making dire predictions that would, if true, render Holt, DRE, and everything else moot:
He then introduced old-line conservative Paul Craig Roberts --- a former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under Reagan who has recently become known for his strong opposition to the Bush administration and the Iraq War --- by quoting the "strong words" which open Roberts' latest column: "Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran."
(Raw Story). Yep, when old line conservatives are concerned it becomws a bi-partisan concern.
How far and wide apart the politics of the left and of the wrong become!
Brad has one quote saying "It is not about right and left, it is about right and wrong".
I am reminded of the words of a famous poet and song writer:
And they're breaking down the distance
Between right and wrong.
(Ring Them Bells, Bob Dylan).
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 12:10 am PT...
I can't believe Mike Thompson's name is not on that letter! OMG! Is he ever gonna get it now! I'm going to have a full grown cow on his desk! Unbelievable! There might be five or six people in his entire district who were not rabidly against the invasion, and who are not triple-rabidly against the occupation. UNBELIEVABLE! He is so way gonna be hearing about this till his ears fly off in self-defense.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 6:04 am PT...
Thank you to all who've kept the pressure on. What good news when I opened the NYT this morning - had to come here next.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 6:13 am PT...
I saw that about Paul Craig Roberts, Dredd. I like him. He's a lot like Ron Paul.
E-vote machines: You touch a screen, the screen says you voted for Kerry (the screen), INSIDE it registers a vote for Bush, THEN it writes a printout that you voted for Kerry.
The screen transfers electronic impulses inside the machine and prints a piece of paper that you voted for Kerry. There's no numbers is the machine. "Faith based voting". What are they counting?
What's inside the machine may not equal the screen OR the printout! Where's the numbers? They don't exist until the machine is told to "printout totals". From what? The votes may not be totalled accurately in the machine OR the program that prints out the accurate data can change the data.
Can we see the software?
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 6:16 am PT...
Perhaps the "old style conservative" and past member of the Reagan administration was not wild eyed when he said "Unless Congress immediately impeaches Bush and Cheney, a year from now the US could be a dictatorial police state at war with Iran" (link).
The regime has just announced that it is officially above Congress and the laws Congress makes. The Department of
Justice Just Us has been ordered not to prosecute any cases of contempt of Congress. Now we know why Harriet Meirs did a no show:
Bush administration officials unveiled a bold new assertion of executive authority yesterday in the dispute over the firing of nine U.S. attorneys, saying that the Justice Department will never be allowed to pursue contempt charges initiated by Congress against White House officials once the president has invoked executive privilege.
(WaPo, emphasis added).
This is the clearest sign of a republican dictatorship married to the military industrial complex we have seen. If the courts back this we are toast as a democracy.
Big Brother is a republican.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 6:21 am PT...
Dredd: At what point will Republican-voting kool-aid drinkers realize they're "been had" by these fascist "self-proclaimed" conservatives, who are NOT conservatives? What do these people think of REAL conservatives like Paul Craig Roberts' statements?
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 6:31 am PT...
And in other news, McCarthyism continues to be employed (has it ever stopped?) by the Republican Party and their associates:
"Pentagon to Clinton: You're helping enemy "
Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity = "McCarthyism", a tried-and-true Republican tactic that has NEVER gone away since Republican Joe McCarthy. Limbaugh/Hannity equating Dems with "helping the terrorists" and "against the troops" = MCCARTHYISM!!!!!!!!!!!
" McCarthy also claimed that the Democratic administration had been infiltrated by communist subversives. McCarthy named four of these people, who had held left-wing views in their youth, but when Democrats accused McCarthy of smear tactics, he suggested they were part of this communist conspiracy. This claim was used against his critics who were up for re-election in 1950. Many of them lost and this made other Democrats reluctant to criticize McCarthy in case they became targets of his smear campaigns. "
The Republican tactic of McCarthyism HAS NEVER STOPPED, IT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW!
LIMBAUGH, HANNITY, ALL REPUBLICANS ACCUSING DEMOCRATS OF BEING "AGAINST THE TROOPS" AND "HELPING AL QUAEDA!!!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 7:41 am PT...
Well, isn't this just like the Democrats. They can't stop the war, and now they can't restore, back to the people, the very system that protects our democracy. God help us all. Looks like the Republicans will re-gain the Senate and possibly the house. If anyone seriously believes those machines aren't rigged, as Diane Feinstein quoted the other day, they're smoking something. Take Georgia as prime example number one. The first time these machines were used, Purdue and Chambliss scored the biggest vote turnaround and overnight election victories ever. This has never happened before in electoral history. Say goodbye to this experiment we like to call a Democracy.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 7:41 am PT...
sorry to repost, but I'm to angry right now to care.
First off, I'm not sure why people say wtc bld7 was accidental. There is a video (i've seen it) of the director of the building saying that they PULLED it. That is lingo for controlled demolition.
There are no coincidences on 911. There is to much info out there detailing all the weirdness, loosechange, etc on youtube. However the best analysis was done by MIKE RUPPERT in his book crossing the rubicon. Mike is an ex cop and does what any good cop does establish means, motive, and opportunity. The Villian, CHENEY, all the way baby.
But that is the tip of the iceberg. Ruppert also questions the issue of Peak Oil. If this is a true topic then we will/have seen things like higher food/gas costs. Also don't forget to factor in drug money from coca/heroin fields. Where does all of these billions of dollars go? WALLSTREET.. Is it a coincidence that afganistan has been producing record poopy since we came there?
But wait the rabbit hole goes even further. There seems to be to much evidence to ignore the effect of the globalists. The illuminati, The NEW WORLD ORDER.
These people have been in control for a VERY long time. They are the corporations and the banks and the politicians and the military and the upper eschelons of religion. They control all of the legs of the pyramid with their all seeing eye on top.
Wondering why it seems that Bush and co have a different agenda then we are allowed to know? It is because they DO have an agenda that is not consistent with our country. Look around, do you think they like us(the people) very much. The Game these people are playing is akin to chess. We ARE allowed to play but they are not going to tell us the rules.
The goal of the new world order-----ORDER out of CHAOS
The pieces are all in place, Bush has drained our treaury, the people are all dumbed down on tv/prozac, any uprising will be crushed with an executive order for martial law. They have many paths to take. These people are very good at what they do. Have you ever read the ART of WAR, you win your fights by controlling both sides. Does this sound like our current political process?
People I am not just rambling they are playing us like a fiddle. It is their nature. They are not like us, but something different. It is my opinion that they are cultists. They took ancient religion and ancient truth and distorted it and destroyed it till all that was left was a religion that allowed divide and conquor. Religion is something we have to address because it has always been tied to politics. Bush claiming to be a christian what a fucking joke, if he is a christian then I am the pope. Look for religions that worshipped the sun as a starting place.
But people there is one thing that we have going for us right now. WE OUTNUMBER THEM. THEY are FEW. I'd imagine soon they will reveal their ugly head. (doesn't the new pope look like the emperor from starwars?)
USE THE WIKI and get as much alternative info as possible cause this is a conflict between comonsense right and New world order right! And you the person reading you are their slave, their cattle, do you think you will be treated any other way? LOOK Around that ain't going to happen.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 7:46 am PT...
Letter To The World
Grandfather William Comanda
Keeper of the Sacred Wampum Belts of the Algonquin Nation
The prophecies from all cultures have been written that this is the year of the decision. Either we are going to change and clean our Mother Earth or keep on destroying her as we have been doing. If we do not make the change then there is no future for our children.
First, we need to bring all the four colors of races together in peace, love and racial harmony. It is an unconditional love for all. The Mother Earth's veins have been clogged for many years and her veins are her water ways. Her bones have been taken out of her body, which is the uranium, oil, coal, etc. because of the lust and uncontrollable passion for power and money.
The Indian people of North and South America are the Keepers of this Turtle Island. The natural destruction that has occurred such as earthquakes, hurricanes and volcanic eruptions, etc. is because people have built on sacred lands of the Mother Earth. These are her beauty lines. She needs to breath and move. When she yawns she does not mean to hurt her children, but she needs to move because she is a living being just like you and I.
Our Mother is giving us a chance to clean her. If we do not, she will have to do it herself. The disasters will get worse and the children are going to get hurt.
We are in our Forth World. It is our last chance. I pray that the four races come together in love, peace and harmony, that we all can join hands and walk as one, to save our Mother Earth and the children.
The Walk For The Earth has started with a ripple but is now is turning to a wave. The people are now starting to come together as the prophecies said. I pray for all my sisters and brothers, I pray for strength and understanding to make the circle strong.
Mi-gwetich' with Peace and Love for all,
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 8:05 am PT...
Hey Dredd, the phrase as originally coined by Eisenhower in his farewell speech was military industrial CONGRESSIONAL complex, but his speech writers made him take the CONGRESSIONAL part out! Seriously watch the documentary Why We Fight. Therein lies the rest of the problem, you can't tell me that at this late stage of the game ALL congress members don't see the writing on the wall for the dictator's final power grab. I totally agree with Robert's assessment that impeachment is the only way to get rid of these criminals before the next event on American soil. Here's some poll numbers on impeachment along with some interesting articles about the lack of polls on impeachment:
Americans, one and all, should be swarming our congress members to immediately start impeachment proceedings before dirty bombs and marshal law is upon us! Like it or not, IT IS NOW OR NEVER!!!!!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 9:51 am PT...
One Guy, when Mother Earth get sick she will shake the problem off of her back like a dog with fleas or one big sneeze IMO
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 10:12 am PT...
Bush the Dick-Potater...We need the ghost of Smedley to come back.
The only hope we have now is if the upper military brass refuse to carry out any attack orders after BJ (9-11) II.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 10:19 am PT...
The following guide will help you plan, prepare, and get ready in the event that martial law threatens your safety and well being. It is divided into two parts. The first part describes the framework for martial law and the second part the actions to take in preparing or the actual declaration of martial law.
* Martial law is defined as: military rule or authority imposed on a civilian population when the civil authorities cannot maintain law and order, as in a time of war or during an emergency.
* Hitler turned Germany into a Nazi dictatorship through executive orders.
* Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.
* Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.
* Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.
* Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.
* Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.
* Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."
* Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.
* Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.
* Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.
* Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.
SURVIVING MARTIAL LAW
* Prepare before any declaration of martial law by becoming self reliant. You may become subject to a bureaucratic system and be prepared to stay one step ahead of it which is easy to do if you are prepared and in a position to be self reliant. You may also face mob rule, chaos, panic, or a complete breakdown in law and order. Surival situations may be easier to handle in rural areas than urban.
* Avoid areas of marital law. Can be imposed due to natural disasters or man caused events. Important to have a retreat or place in a rural area away from populated areas.
* Create alliances with like minded neighbors or community members that share your views. Team work and numbers may help your situation.
* Become transparent in the sense that you do not draw attention to yourself or your family. For instance, do not tell people that you are storing food just store food. Be prepared to render assistance to neighbors if need be. You never know when you will need them.
* Remain calm! Do not panic.
* Avoid areas of civil unrest if possible. If caught in civil unrest take appropriate action.
* Get informed and stay informed. Understand martial law can be a temporary crisis or an extended one. In extreme cases the shape of a whole nation can change.
* Declaration of martial law means your rights are suspended and it is government by decree. Your constitutional rights may no longer apply. This could mean a state of National Emergency.
* People can be arrested and imprisoned indefinitely without charges.
* Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly can be suspended, and censorship of the media imposed.
* Gun ownership will also come under severe attack during marital law. We could see house to house searches by the military or National Guard looking for guns and seizing any they find along with stored food.
* Take a stand on issues and make a choice that fits your beliefs and the situation. Do you believe as Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give me death?" Realize you may have some hard choices to make. Understand you may have to sacrifice your principles on trivial matters or take a hard stand. Always remember that you may have to come back and fight another day.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 10:29 am PT...
hmm, not much different from now eh ?
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 10:31 am PT...
Well isn't this an interesting coincidence, the latest July 19 Breitbart impeachment poll is now missing from the internet.
Hmmmm... anybody else having trouble with the last poll I posted above?
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 11:56 am PT...
Okay its back, but it looks like the article was written July 6 and as far as I can tell the poll is from 2005. I wonder what the numbers actually look like now in light of new scandals in many departments and offices and the ever-expanding-executive-above-the-law-privilage claims!
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 4:01 pm PT...
After reading the outrageous interview with Rush Holt, I e-mailed all 4 of my reps. this week. Collins, Snowe, Michaud and Allen from Maine. Allen...going to run against Collins for the Senate and said "We have too much important work to do to start impeachment proceedings." I reminded him his important work got vetoed and wrote excerpts from the interview. ..."Election theft is now bi partisan." Go brad blog.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 8:09 pm PT...
oneguy: You left out, the YouTube video of Kerry saying WTC-7 was controlled demolition.
"Advocates for the blind and the disabled also threatened to oppose the bill if it went too far in discouraging the use of touch-screen machines before the optical scanners were made easier for them to use."
I don't mean to sound disrespectful to the blind, but are there a freakish amount of blind people wielding all this power over our voting systems? To be honest? This may be weird, but I don't know ONE blind person. Not saying they don't exist...
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 7/20/2007 @ 8:15 pm PT...