READER COMMENTS ON
"Kucinich Says Legal Action May Need to be Taken Against Voting Machine Companies"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2007 @ 1:35 pm PT...
Will it be a qui tam
Just kidding ...
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2007 @ 1:49 pm PT...
Regarding the damnable DREs, this weekend's Straw Poll in Iowa will have paper ballots, yea, but they'll be COUNTED BY THE DAMNABLE DIE-FUCKING-BOLD COMPUTERS!
How STUPID IS THAT?
Each voter will pay $35 for the privilege to vote, only to have such an expensive privilege to be subverted by those damnable Diebold DREs.
It goes without saying that Ron Paul would do very poorly in a Diebold-dominated vote count. There seems to be a lot of activity in Iowa and Ohio on Ron Paul's behalf, but I hope that Brad Blog's readers would take their time to go and participate in the Iowa Straw Poll by demanding--verbally, signs, etc--a hand-count of the paper ballots.
Brad--can you put out some articles on this vitally-important poll and, perhaps, be there, along with a bunch of your readers?
There must be a law somewhere in Iowa that would allow the county Sheriff to take emergency possession of the ballot boxes at the finish of the voting and stand guard over them while a highly-visible public hand counting can proceed. The Sheriff must not let the damned Diebold computers disappear out of public view ever. Can somebody take a look into this?
I am confident that Ron Paul would win this Iowa Straw Poll decisively, so we MUST prevent a Diebold count of those votes. It would be difficult for the damned MSM to spin a Paul victory in this poll.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2007 @ 3:24 pm PT...
Only fools will pay anything to vote in a "election" where Diebold and Diebold alone is in complete control of the size of the straw that each candidate draws.
Is there anybody in Iowa stupid enough to believe that their silly straw poll as it is now set up is in any way a part of a functioning democracy?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 8/9/2007 @ 3:45 pm PT...
Dennis is looking like the man.
Introduced the cheney IMPEACHMENT resolution into Congress.
Now suggesting a way to circumvent Congress on these hackable voting machines used to steal US elections to get them removed.
Thank you Congressman.
You are a frontrunner to have my vote if you keep it up!
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2007 @ 3:50 pm PT...
Mozart - John Gideon covered the Ron Paul Iowa Straw Poll story a bit a couple of weeks ago right here.
I've been unable to do much digging into it myself as I've been on the roll since then. But what you mention above, that there will be paper ballots, doesn't square with the idea that DREs will be used. So I'm unclear, at this point, whether we're talking about Diebold DREs with paper trails (as opposed to paper ballots) or Diebld op-scan systems that use actual paper ballots.
If it's the former, the problem is that even if you hand count every paper trail from the DRE, it's no assurance that system --- including the paper trails --- were not gamed. It's very very easy to do game both the internal counters and the paper trails on such systems, as Bowen's UC study showed (along with many others!)
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2007 @ 4:52 pm PT...
Almost 2 years ago, after hearing Brad, Clint Curtis and Paul Lehto speak in Portland, I thought there had to be a way to use the courts to stop what appeared to be collusion on the part of the 4-6 voting machine companies. Bounced the idea around with an old DOJ antitrust attorney and then Bev Harris of BB Voting, and apparently because of the involvement of the Federal Government in the scheme, it would have to be a RICO action, or that is what Bev Harris told me.
I am happy that Kucinich is on this, and that he is in "problem-solving" mode...we may actually see some action. What ever happened to that Holt bill?
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2007 @ 6:30 pm PT...
Kucinich has always been a straight shooter. I hope he can get more on board to rid our election system of all fraud. Until those that commit fraud are jailed, business as usual!
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2007 @ 7:49 pm PT...
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 8/9/2007 @ 8:58 pm PT...
It is definitely stories like this that make me glad I donated $500.00 to Kucinich's 2004 run for president.
This guy has guts and it's about time people stop ignoring him just because everybody else is ignoring him.
Only cattle and sheep should vote on these phony tabulation machines. Maybe enough water has passed under the bridge for Dennis to bring this issue up repeatedly without being called a "conspiracy theorist!"
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2007 @ 2:29 am PT...
Thank you Pat #8,
I now declare Romney the Official "Winner" of the Iowa Straw poll. Diebold must still secretly determine the results with their secret procees of pretending to "count" votes but that is just a formality.
Line up cattle and sheep and for just $35 you can get purple ink on your fingers to remind others that you were silly enough to pretend to be helping Deibold with their totally protected decision.
It sure is Great to live in the land of the worlds best "democracy"!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2007 @ 5:23 am PT...
It's not just the voting machines or the paper trail. If we are to secure one voter, one vote…every-time, our government agencies must operate more business-wise. Until we implement high-bar guidelines for voting machine providers and elections officials, until we fix our election laws to protect us from machine and human error, and HUMAN INTERPRETATION of election results, our elections will continue to be broken.
Lani Massey Brown, A MARGIN OF ERROR BALLOTS OF STRAW
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2007 @ 6:45 am PT...
Kucinich/Gravel ticket...the only possible good ticket. Then cross party lines and nominate Ron Paul to a high post!
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2007 @ 9:18 am PT...
I second(third, fouth...) the Fake Romney win. All the pieces are in position they just need a bunch of suckers to vote.
BTW have you ever been to IOWA? Bunch of corn fed, conservative, meat eating yokals. Don't need be concerned with facts ya hear, preacher man told me how to think.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2007 @ 9:37 am PT...
Please, Oneguy, don't speak so disrespectfully of the people of Iowa. If you have traveled anywhere on this lovely, battered, horribly threatened planet, you have found that people are people, wherever they happen to live. You sound as jingoistic as the despicable Sting (or was it David Bowie?)when he cast doubt on Russians loving their children as much as we allegeedly love ours. Please play fair...
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2007 @ 10:20 am PT...
well i do speak from experience as I have alot of relatives all over Iowa. Man they got some big Steak Houses, like in Aimes where they just bring the cattle up to the back of this big ass red building and out comes them steaks. The people line up for this place, though I can't remember what its called. Or how bout rock island(Quad cities) home of the rock island arsenal. My uncle, a die hard repub and also retired military has shown me plenty of that base.
And then of course is the religion..goes good with a big steak. Or maybe you've heard this one.. I've got a relative that drinks a 12er on the way home from church. that's actually true.
Thanks for comparing me to Sting though, even though I don't listen to him, it's still totaly sweet!
But the point as was missed is that Iowan's don't really seem to fired up about any of this unless of course their preacher tells em to be. And that of course goes for any midwest state, illinois, indiana, kentucky, etc as well as colorado, n/s dakota, nebraska, kansas and really most states.
So don't mean to hurt your feelings bout pickin on little ole iowa but I've been there enough to give iowa a little shit. Hell I thought all midwesterners gave their state a little shit for being one GIANT cornfield
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2007 @ 12:04 pm PT...
Dennis K. is a mainstream candidate...if you consider 'mainstream' to mean in tune with the majority of voters on the ISSUES. Of course, his positions on the issues are seldom heard amidst the cacophony of noise about Hillary's cleavage or Obama's charisma or about the latest faux pas committed by one or another of the "leading candidates".
The serious media seem to be AWOL when it comes to informing the public about where all the candidates stand on the ISSUES. This, of course, gives a huge advantage to those 'leading candidates' whose views are flexible and still in process of being designed based on the latest focus groups, which is why we can't get any more 'commitment' from them than an occasional vague reference to 'problems'.
According to a recent poll, Kucinich is the Number ONE candidate from among the current field of Democrats AND Republicans....IF one asks only about issues--
[ http://www.dehp.net/candidate/stats.php ]
The poll shows that Kucinich's positions on the issues are in synch with 53% of voters polled...with no other candidate even breaking into double digits. The media, however, are intent on reporting on the foibles of the "leading candidates". "We don't want Substance...we want Style in our candidates," the media seem to be saying.
I think it is about time we demand that the news media start doing their job. Their job is to INFORM us, not ENTERTAIN us!
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2007 @ 1:23 pm PT...
The only reason that Clinton is the so called front runner is because she is whom the MSM have anointed and that is because they know she has ZERO chance of winning. All they want is to make the race close, close enough so that if need be all they need to do is simply steal a few counties in 2 states and Bam another stolen election simple as pie.
If you do a poll on ANY website other than a far Reich wing one asking whom would you vote for if the election was held today? Kucinich is almost always in the lead, usually Gravel or Edwards is 2nd & 3rd, Obama usually 4th and Clinton usually 5th, she rarely gets past 3rd.
This is proof enough to me that the MSM is actively shunning Kucinich at every possible chance and pushing Clinton continuously to make her "appear" to be the front runner.
This is complete bullshit and a set up by the MSM.
They have done their part already to steal the 08' election, now its just up to the Neofascist to easily take the rest.
Just like taking candy from a democrat.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2007 @ 2:26 pm PT...
Well, I have to somewhat agree with oneguy. Here in Kansas,(where I feel like I've been sucked into a black hole)alot of people are about 2000 years behind schedule. Until recently, our science curriculum had been taken over by religious zealots hell bent on "shocking the monkey" so to speak. George Tiller was shot here in Wichita for running a legal abortion clinic,and people still think that gambling is a one-way ticket to hell.
Anyway, his point was that most people in small communities act similar to each other,especially in religious ones, and people feel less inclined to distance themselves from the norm. He's right... the preacher or minister in these towns seem to be the Godly say on issues of religion and politics.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 8/10/2007 @ 8:53 pm PT...
Brad, have you been in touch with Kucinich? Sounds like a great opportunity for you to get further involved in banning these DREs! I hope you can get in on the conversation Kucinich wants to have.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2007 @ 7:01 am PT...
If Dennis looked and spoke like Jim Webb, he really would be the man. But he looks and talks like the boy. It's been his incurable problem as long as I've known him (several decades) and will cost him the nomination. He's okay in the district, where he's known more personally by folks more like himself. Like Hillary, his negatives are also high there, but not high enough to unseat him.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 10/3/2007 @ 11:12 am PT...
Dennis needs your help getting on the ballot in Illinois.
Smith, or "theophilus" at dennis4president is working on Collecting Signatures Saturday 10/06/2007 at 12:00 pm
you can contact him at email@example.com or
We'll be meeting downtown this Saturday (10/6) afternoon
from 12 to 4
by the Water Tower at Michigan and Chicago
in order to collect signatures to get Dennis on the ballot. We'll also be handing out information about Dennis to people who are interested. Come by if you want to help or simply to sign your name to get him on the ballot...