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"Cincy Enquirer Notes 'Warren County Lockdown' Comments from OH Sec. of State in BRAD BLOG's Interview"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 12/22/2007 @ 4:43 pm PT...
After what Allen Raymond said, there is no way that any DOJ can keep up with the Republican criminality, let alone the Bush D(rag)O(n)J.
This is what it looks like to have used car salesmen running our country.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 12/22/2007 @ 5:46 pm PT...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 12/22/2007 @ 7:53 pm PT...
Thanks Mick, that's the best news I've heard all year, next to banned DREs!
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 12/22/2007 @ 11:00 pm PT...
Why does this stuff always get addressed so late? One would think that it would take less than four years to fix it and/or put the responsible parties in prison.
But no, all the criminals have to do is feign ignorance and delay, delay ,delay.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 3:24 am PT...
On a somewhat related topic, has anyone on this blog seen this on-line book called "Votescam" concerning electronic election rigging of national elections going back as far as 1970?
"The authors assert, and back it up with daring reporting, that your vote and mine may now be a meaningless bit of energy directed by preprogrammed computers — which can be fixed to select certain pre-ordained candidates and leave no footprints or paper trail.
In short, computers are covertly stealing your vote.
• For almost three decades the American vote has been subject to government-sponsored electronic theft.
• The vote has been stolen from you by a cartel of federal 'national security' bureaucrats, who include higher-ups in the Central Intelligence Agency, political party leaders, Congressmen, co-opted journalists — and the owners and managers of the major Establishment news media, who have decided in concert that how America's votes are counted, by whom they are counted and how the results are verified and delivered to the public is, as one of them put it, 'Not a proper area of inquiry.'
• By means of an unofficial private corporation named News Election Service (NES), the Establishment press has actual physical control of the counting and dissemination of the vote, and it refuses to let the public know how it is done.
This book also contends that the theft of your vote or Votescam, is part of a supposedly patriotic 'collaboration' between federal officials and the news media that began shortly after the assassination of John F. Kennedy in 1963, when the 'responsible" American press was persuaded by American intelligence services to hide from the American people the actual implications of the Kennedy murder.'"
A wikipedia entry about this book says the following:
"Votescam: The Stealing of America" - a 1992 Book by Kenneth and James Collier.
"A book which was immediately banned by the major book chains, who listed the book as ‘out of print’ and actively worked to prevent it's sale. The veil of secrecy prevailed. The co-authors of this book were (they died in the nineties), James and Kenneth Collier, two entrepreneurial brothers who, from 1970 onwards carried out a comprehensive examination of the American voting system, resulting in their book, which exposed, in detail, corporate America’s manipulation of the voting system over a number of decades. Kenneth Collier stood against Claude Pepper in the Florida primary elections of 1970 and took steps that led to the assistant attorney general Henry E. Petersen initiating federal investigation at the time."
Anyone at BradBlog familiar with this book? Any reaction whether the work is valid or corroborated by other research? I have not had a chance to read but the first part of this but it seems to reiterate a contention that a journalist colleague of my sister's has asserted, too.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 4:54 am PT...
Mick #2; Ewastud #5
When Bradblog is coming up, it has one statement on its banner "Give them enough rope", but sadly, the rope we are giving them is the rope they are hanging US with.
We must get to the place where our government is always of the people so we don't have to take it back. These daze government by the people does not exist, for we are ruled by an elite military industrial complex and its blind ideology.
There was coup thinking way back and it has grown into a deceitful monster today.
Electioneering is a prime area BIG BROTHER targets his coup to take government from we the people and give to to BIG BROTHER sycophants. These daze BIG BROTHER is a republican.
But democrats in general are vulnerable too because in general they are not stand up kind of guys and gals once they get into office.
The republicans in general are big brother and brag about it (without knowing it some of the time).
So, we need a party of the people or no party at all, and we need to get rid of the stranglehold big corp and big money has on BIG BROTHER who is addicted to BIG OIL and DADDY WARBUCKS.
They want the coup of electioneering thru massive machine controlled elections to continue and to grow to 100%.
For the most part, save for a few, election officials are the lackeys and minions of BIG BROTHER.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 6:03 am PT...
Thanks for the link. I found an interesting quote concerning those EI investigators (BTW who died young) you introduced us to thru that link:
A few days later, William Miller, who took over when Braterman quit, also resigned as election supervisor.
Joyce Deiffenderfer, the woman from the League of Women Voters who wept and cried that she did not want to "get caught in this thing," was named election supervisor.
There was no followup in the press.
And that was that.
(1970's Investigation on Election Rigging). Now move along, no story here, get back to the holy grail that American Elections are God's gift to the world because:
In a many dark hour
I've been thinkin' about this
That Jesus Christ
Was betrayed by a kiss
But I can't think for you
You'll have to decide
Whether Judas Iscariot
Had God on his side.
So now as I'm leavin'
I'm weary as Hell
The confusion I'm feelin'
Ain't no tongue can tell
The words fill my head
And fall to the floor
If God's on our side
He'll stop the next war.
(With God on Our Side, Bob Dylan). Too bad America went away several daze ago and Amurka took its place.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 7:21 am PT...
I can't believe this has never been investigated! How can that be?
Also, remember the Schmidt/Hackett election? Where the machines went down in the bottom of the 9th due to "moisture" and Schmidt came in with a flurry of votes after that? You remember, that moisture cloud that was IN THE VOTING ROOM!!!
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 7:29 am PT...
Here's a good one, too! Try and find articles about the Schmidt/Hackett "moisture" debacle on the internet(s)...GOOD LUCK!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 7:32 am PT...
Are the Democrats doing anything about vote disenfranchizement? Yes. Are they doing enough? Not even close!
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 11:56 am PT...
#10, na,, they're all watching the hamburger commercial. Forget the fact MOST ain't answered 10questions.com
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 12:53 pm PT...
Read this for history sake...
The New Yorker, November 7, 1988:
DURING the past quarter of a century, with hardly anyone noticing, the inner workings of democracy have been computerized. All our elections, from mayor to President, are counted locally, in about ten thousand five hundred political jurisdictions, and gradually, since 1964, different kinds of computer-based voting systems have been installed in town after town, city after city, county after county.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 2:01 pm PT...
I think it was only inevitable that computers would become used to tabulate our election vote totals, but the important issue is how transparent is the process and subject to verification right back to the original paper ballot stage of the election, if necessary, and through a regular sample test process, to assure accurate counts. From what I have read, the GEMS system does not seem to meet that standard.
Can anyone with more detailed technical knowledge of this speak to these concerns? If so, please provide us readers your credentials at the same time. (OMS Media, you are automatically disqualified.)
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 2:26 pm PT...
Ewastud #13; Mick #12
I think I was the first to post the story Mick linked to on this blog several yawns ago, and this one too.
I was hesitant to do so because I was afraid it would take the wind out of the sails of those who needed "freshness" to be part of a movement.
But I default to let the facts come out and let the chips fall where they may, each making up their own mind, and so I shocked some by posting what I found.
And when Ewastud posted (#5) the comparable link to the investigations done in the 70's, by some fairly rad dudes, I knew it was time for this movement to get its bearings straight.
The EI movement clearly has been and probably still is farting in the wind because it is doubtful that there have been any valid elections in "America" since it died and became Amurka some time back.
But it is important to know that, because it puts a real face on republicans and on democrats. They are symptoms of the same disease that killed America.
And we can't cure it until we know in-depth what it is. Amurka is a very sick psycho-bastard. "Amurka, lust after it or escape" is the reality of the old falsehood "America, love it or leave it".
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 8:08 pm PT...
Yuh, we might as well just close up shop and go off saving polar bears....
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 12/23/2007 @ 11:03 pm PT...
I don't understand what the big deal is here.
They only want to fudge the vote count. And to spare themselves any embarrassment that might result by public scrutiny. They would rather commit fraud behind closed doors.
Is this really so hard to digest or understand ? I mean who wants or needs a glaring spotlight - in the midsts of perpetrating a treasonous crime ?
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 12/24/2007 @ 4:23 am PT...
Agent 99 #15
If the polar bears hear that the EI movement is coming to save them, they will probably all just commit suicide and get it overwith without having to read 4 billion useless posts on countless useless movement blogs. Ditto for the climate change movement.
I mean patting ourselves on the back in the face of the catastrophic failure of the movement to stop the election fiascos is ultimate self deception.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 12/24/2007 @ 4:27 am PT...
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 12/25/2007 @ 9:04 am PT...
There's right, and there's wrong. Tabulating votes electronically is unconstitutional. The people just aren't aware of it yet. We have no self deception about that fact. What we actually have is a situation where (media, and government) who can change it are practicing "perceived diligence" a term *I have coined* that means, to talk and behave like you care when in the spotlight, but really don't care in your heart, and in fact work to do the opposite. Thereby giving the impression that something good is being executed when in reality nothing could be further from the truth. Another way of looking at this is by the definition of the individual words, take perceived to mean "perception, or the public's perception", and diligence, meaning "constant and earnest effort to accomplish" It's all acting, it's corruption, it's on par with the old saying by social engineering fraudsters who are ripping people off, "Tell them whatever they want to hear to make them go away. "
The only self deception here, is if the people that have screwed up our elections think we are going away. Those who have sworn an oath, CAN'T GO AWAY.
The problem with the EI movement (I don't really like that term) is inconsistency in applying constitutional law, the lightness of sentences, complete lack of accountability, the completely broken feedback loop between government and the people, slowness to act, confusion, and obfuscation of acronyms, terms, bill numbers, drafts, and physics itself. The complexity of electronics and it's formulas and laws vs. explaining to non-technical people. The cost to get information that should be available, the cost to get lawsuits filed, the cost in time wasted out of peoples lives, and the ultimate cost in death and destruction because the machines led to elections that led to courts that led to the wrong candidates being sworn in which led to the giant tree roots of a diseased flowering mulberry infiltrating every other government office, appointment, judge or oversight commission. The trunk has become hundreds of feet wide, but it still can be removed if everyone was aware it's unconstitutional.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 12/26/2007 @ 4:10 am PT...
since our top justice officials refuse to call waterboarding illegal , the technique should be used on Frank Young until he identifies which FBI agent told him of the terrorist threat
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 12/26/2007 @ 9:45 am PT...
#20 Johnny P,
I know anger can make you "feel" like that, But I have to disagree, two wrongs don't make a right.
Allow torture in one place, it will rapidly be in every place.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 12/27/2007 @ 5:23 am PT...
The only self deception here, is if the people that have screwed up our elections think we are going away.
Yep, if they brag openly about vote crimes, it is hardly likely that they take us seriously:
Kris Kobach, a former counsel to then-Attorney General John Ashcroft who is currently the chairman of the Kansas GOP, sent out an email on Thur entitled “Kansas Republican Party Year in Review” in which he brags of voter caging.
(Crooks and Liars). And they are likely to take us less and less seriously as they take over the "free press" in Amurka:
Longtime associates of President George W. Bush are consolidating their hold on American media with a string of recent purchases, RAW STORY can report.