READER COMMENTS ON
"Larry Johnson: 'FUCK KOS...You Guys Are John Bolton and Dick Cheney in Drag'"
(23 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 11:52 am PT...
I went, and I read......thanks for the nod Brad.
Way to go, Larry...!! Give 'em hell...!!
No Quarter is now on my favourites.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 12:13 pm PT...
This cracked me up after a very long day at the office.
Can't agree with Larry more - and his RSS feed finds a happy home in my reader now.
Me thinks the crowd over at Markos' site need an occasional gate rattling and/or crashing of their own.
For my part, I removed Daily Kos from my list of blogs read and used after I saw the commentary regarding Mike Malloy's termination from Air America in 2006.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 12:47 pm PT...
Larry Johnson has always been a straight shooter. Just another notch in his belt. I've added his site also.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 1:04 pm PT...
Thanks Mr. BradBlog for becoming a success. You are a hero. You speak for a lot of us nobody bloggers who simply want truth and justice.
It may seem that the ptb's have an ironclad hold on the internet. But they don't. There is a grassroots within cyberspace. Gatekeepers like KOS do eventually get exposed.
Great job by Mr. Johnson taking the screenshot. That particular skill has helped myself in my own personal struggles against oppressive, internet cheaters.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 1:06 pm PT...
My head is spinning. I could not agree more with Larry Johnson's assessment of KOS; he has been off of my list for a while now for a number of reasons.
Maybe I should spend some more time on No Quarter but, at the moment the rabid, hysterical, anti-Obama paranoia is more than a little bit disturbing.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 1:12 pm PT...
No Quarter has been on my favorites list for awhile now. At least as long as DKOS has been on my shit list.
I enjoy reading Larry's take on the TREASON committed by the Bush administration over the Plame affair. Sibel Edmond's revelations fit right into this treason perfectly.
I was banned from DKOS right after the blatantly stolen 2004 S-election for having the audacity to mention the FACTS concerning the fraud committed and also for bringing up the FACT that 9/11 was a false flag attack committed by a faction of the US Government.
All the little Kos nut bags show absolutely zero difference in their "view" of election fraud & the facts about 9/11 than far Reich wing lunatics like Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, and Reich wing sites like LGF & Free Republic, which proves one of 2 things, they are either totally insane or they are gatekeepers.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 1:33 pm PT...
Much as I love Johnson's frequent resort to gut-honest, no bullshit responses to the crap in this world, I just took his site OFF my bookmarks because of the relentless Obama bashing --- even though I don't personally think he or Hillary would be any good. But one of Larry's compatriots just the other night dissed the living snot out of CHE GUEVARA in her avidity for the relentless Obama bashing.
Che's fingernails had more heart and class.
That tore it for me.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 1:53 pm PT...
ROTFL ..Ummm Obama's "Terrorist Ties" has to do with a $200 donation by William Ayers, no doubt a PROUD MEMBER of the Weathermen from about 30 years ago?
We should be so lucky as to have a president that views the Weathermen favorably.
That actually makes me like Obama a little bit more.
The Weather Underground is EXACTLY what this country needs TODAY!
Yeah gotta say Larry has completely lost his mind on that one.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 1:55 pm PT...
The Johnson webpage is coming out mangled for me. I am curious if this is some kind of macintosh compatibility problem or perhaps something insidious.
I've put up a few screenshots linked to in my username as examples.
Thanks if anyone can explain this. On some Kos threads, I have had similar problems, where some posts became difficult or impossible to read. I am definitely not looking to create "conspiracy theories" which don't exist. I'm expecting this has to do with my using a mac instead of pc. I used to have trouble viewing the bradbog on my previous mac computer. Now I am on one of the newer macs, so I am unsure.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 1:58 pm PT...
I humbly agree with the previous posters that Johnson's attacks seem a bit out of place. I won't throw him completely under the bus, however. He still has helped expose Kos for having the quick censorship trigger.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 2:07 pm PT...
"American Terrorism": Shays Rebellion comes to mind easily but here's a list to peruse:
OR is one wants to stick specifically to the word 'terrorism' then:
Note that the 'Weathermen' targeted police and military locations, not 'civilian' targets and that they came about as a result of the trumped up Vietnam War.
I agree with Larry Johnson about DKos but it's really a stretch to critique Obama for association with a 'terrorist', especially when Larry does not critique current elected officials with the terrorism the U.S. visits on other nations (see 'Confessions of an Economic Hit Man').
It also needs to be noted that Joe Wilson has endorsed Clinton and Larry has close ties with the Wilson's.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 2:14 pm PT...
You guys read my posts about kos. I may have even started the thingy here. No matter, thanks for the compliment Brad that I was circumspect.
Perhaps I should be circumcised too.
Anyway, I agree that kos is clueless in some very critical matters ("the CIA is a liberal institution"), but that his blogfolk are in general not so clueless.
It is different here at Bradblog, because our blogboss and the bloggers are in general all level headed.
Nevertheless, kos has done a good thing in helping get blogs popular. He has some great talents.
But one day kos is going to realize that power corrupts because it has toxins in it. I mean any social power, including blogboss, has the potential to corrupt to some degree.
One who is exposed to power must do some exercises of some sort to get the toxins out, to neutralize them.
The bradblog community and Brad tend to have a way of ridding ourselves of the toxins, and keeping our outrage at the rampant fascism virus down to a workable level. We try not to become overly ad hominem (except toward facist politicians) and we succeed most of the time.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 4:19 pm PT...
Brad, you know I have my own problems with Kos. I even intentionally misspell the link to his site on my own humble blog.
But look at it this way. I've never told you how to run your joint, even though you do things I wouldn't. (By which I mean, you allow comments from readers I would chase off with sharpened rakes.) And you've never told me how to run my digs, even though I do things you probably think are stupid. (Such as chasing off people with sharpened rakes.)
So how can I dare to tell Kos how to run HIS operation?
It's his baby. And given his success, he would be a fool to take advice from either one of us.
As for the censored story...
I respect Johnson, and I am UNenthused about Obama. But Johnson's claim that Obama is tied to a "terrorist" is silly. What does his evidence come to? Simply this: Obama sat on some committee board or other with a guy named William Ayers, who later gave the Obama campaign a couple of C notes. Long ago, Ayers was part of the Weather Underground, although he was never charged with anything.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 6:13 pm PT...
Comment #2: I'll do you one better...I never HAD DailyKOS on my blogroll! What a weird site that is! I think they're nuts!
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 6:22 pm PT...
The main point about DailyKOS, is that they ban people not for misinforming/lying/cursing/etc...but for not saying what they want you to say!
But, like I said, who even cares anyway?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 7:23 pm PT...
This story transcends whether Johnson was out of line or not. Word is that there is widespread censorship going on at DailyKos. There is censorship going on at Huffington Post and the Democratic Underground also. If people aren't allowed to question Clinton and Obama on anything and everything, then where is the democracy? I just want good, fair debate with decent sources used. Why shouldn't Kos be called out for being a gatekeeper?
KOS goes out of his way to whitewash election fraud. Kos could very well be intel, a plant. Now should Brad censor my opinion which is based on facts? Does it make Brad look like tinfoil, does it then reinforce what Kos is astroturfing?
What happened to Cynthia McKinney by the news networks is being conducted against tons of people. She never went into 9/11 conspiracy theories. She just had some legitemate questions. But the news networks spliced and diced it into making her out to be a "loony moonbat." The same thing has happened to Cindy Sheehan, Michael Moore, Phil Donahue, Dan Rather, Rosie O'Donnell, BradBlog, Dennis Kucinich, and Medea Benjamin, on and on.
Then there is all the crazy tinfoil that is all over the internet. When you go to the whois, nearly all of them cannot be traced to a real person or company. Some of them have no ads or next to nothing, yet are very splashy and seem to have had a lot of money put into them.
Then one might have heard about Hal Turner. It turns out he was linking to bomb instructions. I doubt he ever got in trouble for that. He was evidently working with the FBI. Cointelpro anyone? Sherman Austin, on the other hand, got busted for something on his server he didn't even post.
There is plenty of stuff I could keep rambling about but will stop here. I'm just saying it doesn't take a rocket science degree to see that the internet is being manipulated in major ways.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 2/15/2008 @ 8:55 pm PT...
Lessee... a few responses.
To Joseph Cannon #13 -
I'd not tell Kos how to run his site. Nor you yours (though, as you know, I've had a few suggestions for you from time to time). I will, however, point out when I believe Kos, or anyone, is doing something dangerous, as I believe he and his minions have done on the issue of Election Integrity, and as I believe he does with the kind of fascistic threats as seen leveled at Larry.
Also, as Big Dan smartly points out at #15 above:
The main point about DailyKOS, is that they ban people not for misinforming/lying/cursing/etc...but for not saying what they want you to say!
Though it might be an overstatement, I share the generally sentiments, most notably when it has to do with something that should be discussed (whether one agrees with a particular point of view or not).
Finally, while I enjoy the irony of being accused (by Kossacks, coincidentally) of being an Obama Supporter in the wake of my concerns about the NH Primary, I think most folks here seem to be missing the point of Larry's comments --- which I'mveonly just read now --- about the connection between Obama and the "terrorists" of the Weathermen.
The point is not so much whether the guy gave $200 to Obama and served on a board with him for several years. The point seems to be that this will likely be used against him, mercilessly in a general election campaign by the GOP. No matter how much it's germane to Obama's ability to be President or not.
Also, I think Larry's comments, as follows, particularly from a one-time Bush supporter are well worth noting (and no, please don't make me a "Hillary supporter" by the end of this post either! Thanks!):
Finally, I am very concerned about Obama’s lack of experience and the adulation surrounding his campaign. I bought into the nonsense that George Bush was a “uniter” and not a “divider.” I ignored his failed business enterprises. I overlooked his ignorance of foreign affairs. Well folks, never again. And in my book, Obama shares too many of the Bush qualities. I find it creepy and alarming. I guy as weak as Obama, who has a track record of making bad decisions while currying favor with the likes of Rezko and Ayers bugs the hell out of me.
So, for Oldtree and others, that’s why I’m doing what I’m doing.
Though if you say something I don't like, you can expect to be banned, unless you sign The BRAD BLOG loyalty oath thereafter.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 2/16/2008 @ 12:39 am PT...
Where can I get me one of those "BRAD BLOG loyalty oath" things?
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 2/16/2008 @ 1:53 am PT...
I've followed both this site and No Quarter for some time, and Larry's problem with KOS appears to have more to do with their support of Barack Obama than anything else.
MoveOn's recent endorsement of Obama earned them a FU from Larry. In fact, Larry's been using a lot of FUs lately.
I appreciate Larry & Susan's past contributions, but their increasingly erratic tone and astronomical level of partisanship for Clinton have hurt their credibility. And ironically, rather than persuade me of their point of view, Larry and Susan accomplished just the opposite.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 2/16/2008 @ 8:46 am PT...
It does seem as though LJ might have been a little excessive in his response. I'm not commenting on what he said, just on how he said it. My biggest objecttion to Obama isn't so much Obama himself (if he is nominated, I will probanly vote for him), but rather his supporters. Obama's supporters proudly proclaim that if Clinton is nominated, they will never vote for her. Then they claim that Clinton is divisive. To borrow from Shakespeare, methinks they do protest too much.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 2/16/2008 @ 9:23 am PT...
Unfortunately we have not had any "for" elections these neoCon daze, and thus we have been relegated to "against" elections.
We vote out what we are against. I see that happening for several more election cycles. After that perhaps we can have some general "for" elections.
I am against all things republicans for a while because I know you can't just pull the tops off weeds, you have to get the roots out.
The candidates should not confuse the massive movement pushing Obama as deep "for", because it is deep "against" at its heart.
Against the decade old status quo of wars and lies for no reason other than to fuck over our nation until it becomes Amurka with no America remaining.
We are up AGAINST it !!!!!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 2/16/2008 @ 10:34 am PT...
You will note that the DKos warning to Larry Johnson and,indeed,to anyone else who receives a warning does not identify the one who is issuing it.
To me,this failure to identify is an act of cowardice regardless of the rationale used.
It is designed to strip the "offending party" of responding to a specific "Kossack" even though they might want to identify specifically the objection and have the opportunity to respond.
Thus,you end up with the generalized,unresolved anger of the kind expressed by Larry Johnson.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 2/16/2008 @ 5:44 pm PT...
Oh puleeeze kos, forgive me. The CIA ops have said they only ask nice questions during interogs at GITMO world:
Interrogators got intelligence from detainees that helped U.S. troops in Afghanistan attack Taliban fighters last summer — and they did it through casual questioning and not torture, the military's chief interrogator here said.
(Raw Story, emphasis added). OMG and all this time I thought kos was a naive wussy for saying "the CIA is a liberal institution".
Those CIA "libruls" may have told their captives "casually" that they would have to blog at kossickistan, bullshitistan, or listen to preznit blush speeches for three weeks.
Now we know the truth and an apology is in order. Huh kos ??