READER COMMENTS ON
"Sibel Edmonds' Charges of Nuclear Treason Crack the U.S. Mainstream Media"
(17 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 2/17/2008 @ 1:30 pm PT...
Daily Kos (who a times does have cogent items) had an interesting series of comments by wittg1 posted on their article regarding Sibel.
The voluble wittg1 was finally asked by the Kos parent, BDA in VA, to do his own post... but what he did post was very relevant to Sibel followers.... and very interesting reading and links.
It is also wittg1's only posts on Kos to date... hmmm.
Check them out !
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 2/17/2008 @ 3:40 pm PT...
Congratulations and thanks to the Dallas Morning News. Also to Daily Kos for getting something right. I am not trying to be sarcastic. It comes naturally.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 2/17/2008 @ 5:12 pm PT...
I'm also cheering that this is getting some mainstream notice that it has not been before, I 'm wondering if we should be looking at this cautiously. A few things to note here:
1) This is being released close to the time of many other "distracting" news of the primaries happening in Texas now. Perhaps this is a calculated "late Friday news release" type of strategy to claim one's doing one's job, but not trying to get noticed too much by a majority of their readership.
2) That its appearing in their "Opinion" section shows that they don't regard this as potential "news" and potentially trying to condition their readers to think in such a manner as well.
3) A lot of the various publications, etc. that are publishing stuff on Sibel's story now have questionable links to more right wing sources:
a) Dallas Morning News is owned by the Belo Corporation, and is described by locals in Texas as a right wing publication.
b) The London Times, which published the recent series of articles on Sibel's case is owned by Rupert Murdoch.
c) The American Conservative, where this article was lifted from earlier, was founded in part by Patrick Buchanan.
d) The New York Post, who just recently published the following related non-complimentary slam on Hillary Clinton with ties to this case.
4) This article was heavily edited as noted here in this breakdown of those edits.
4) All of these stories from these publications have been released in the last month or so.
Part of me speculates if certain elements in the elite power structure KNOW that this story will at some point become mainstream news and that this will really toast some folks in the administration, and they've already written them off. Perhaps they feel that they can make an end run around the "left wing" (but still corporate media compliant) portions of the mainstream media and later on someone can then claim that the Democratic Party were as guilty as the administration in covering this up, in efforts to "clear the deck" and make the case that newer right wingers should be elected.
I think that there's a very tricky and sneaky subtle game being played here, and someone should try and explain this to Waxman so that he might have second thoughts about complying with those like AIPAC, etc. in keeping it silenced. This feels very manipulative, and is something we should be conscious of as we move forward.
I also don't wish to dismiss those writing these articles too, as I'm sure there are many of these who are writing these with the best of wishes in mind too. But one has to wonder who's pulling the strings.
Might be a similar reason why the very good writer Kelly Thornton, who helped bring us landmark stories like the Carol Lam firing left with the voluntary "downsizing" of the SD Union Tribune's staff recently.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 2/17/2008 @ 5:14 pm PT...
Meant to add that New York Post is also owned by Murdoch in previous post.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 2/17/2008 @ 7:01 pm PT...
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COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 2/17/2008 @ 8:58 pm PT...
Let's see some action in the Congress about this, instead of the steroid hearings. I sometimes think that our govt is joking. How can our govt put baseball players who have been doing steroids probably since the 70s over treasonous activity with the higher ups. We should demand to have hearings on this. Wake up America from the distractions they put in front of you!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 2/18/2008 @ 4:43 am PT...
Those who did not deserve it were swiftboated with lies, now the truth will swiftboat mucho criminal ass spies.
Let's get this damn ship of state moving in the proper direction. Destination America.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 2/18/2008 @ 6:23 am PT...
These horrible injustices have been committed by the powerfull throughout all of human history. The only difference today is now we have the internet. So today we get to watch it happen right before our eyes. If ignorence is bliss, then we the informed are all victoms of torture.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 2/18/2008 @ 8:10 am PT...
The MSM in general is in denial about how it has assisted the fascists in screwing up America.
They find themselves now in Amurka, wondering how we can be funneling billions of dollars and nuclear secrets to a country that openly harbors the person (bin Laden) the bushies claim is responsible for the 911 attacks.
That picture is simply not coherent is it?
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 2/18/2008 @ 9:35 am PT...
Many remember that the events leading up to the FBI hiring Sibel are murky.
One agent declared that he had found the passport of one of the hijackers that hit one of the buildings on the street below the impact site. Think about it.
Now a high court in Britain has ruled that one of the bushie story 19 hijackers is still alive, still a pilot, and had nothing to do with it:
Three of Britain’s most senior judges condemned the Metropolitan Police and the Crown Prosecution Service for abusing the court process, presenting false allegations and not disclosing evidence.
But it was not until page 44, paragraph 154, line 17 that Mr Raissi’s eyes settled upon the words he had been praying for. The judges ruled that the charge that he was a terrorist and had trained the September 11 hijackers was one of which he should be “completely exonerated”. His only “crime” was to learn his skills at the same Florida flying school as two of the hijackers.
The bushie story about 911 is about the only bushie story many people still believe since they don't believe much bushies say anymore.
Sibel does not believe the bushie story about 911, but the bushies ordered her not to say anything about the story the bushies have told about 911.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 2/18/2008 @ 10:04 am PT...
The dude was of the 19 in the sense he was accused of training them and mentoring them.
He was not accused of being on board any aircraft during the attacks, and was put in prison for being in a leadership role in 911 terrorism.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
Warren D. Smith
said on 2/19/2008 @ 11:06 am PT...
Pulitzer-prize Journalist Seymour Hersh
long-ago broke basically this story.
His claim, largely supported by anonymous sources
within the Reagan administration & US intelligence community, was that Reagan had made a deal with Pakistan:
we'll give you nuclear-weapons development aid and
our OK (and cover up evidence we get that you have nukes & are doing nuclear development), and in return, you give us the ability to funnel arms
to anti-soviet rebels in Pakistan such as O.Bin Laden and the Taliban.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 2/19/2008 @ 11:31 am PT...
Sibel is a National hero who has been badgered, undermined and gagged. Thank goodness for the internet.
Her story about treason involving U.S. officials is finally breaking out in the U.S. The American public need more information.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 2/19/2008 @ 12:34 pm PT...
#12: Sounds like we need an "extended" updated edition of "Charlie Jones War". Wonder if folks like Julia Roberts and Tom Hanks will do some more scenes for that.
Also, the pattern of recent right wing increased coverage of this story continues. Now the National Review Online Blogs an entry on it.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 2/20/2008 @ 1:07 am PT...
Why is Marc Grossman a protected media secret instead of being outed as a treasonous back stabbing sack of shit that he is? He needs to be immediately prosecuted with all his nuclear weapon selling bush-cheney-clinton pirate fcks. Not to leave out cheney's haliburton corporation military oil contractors and poppy bushit's carlial group military industrial corporation that has profitted handsomely off of the death they brought onto Iraq and Afganistan.
Billions of dollars, the best artillery, and military training money could buy is what the CIA used to helped build Al quada in the late 80's under Reagan to fight the Russian takeover of Afganistan. Learn your American history.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 2/20/2008 @ 1:19 pm PT...
And Marc Grossman is still treated as a "distinguished scholar" as recently as a couple of weeks ago at Seton Hall University where he was a featured speaker in their "School of Diplomacy"'s workshops on diplomacy and leadership. Seton Hall students, where were you. Should have been outside protesting the University's nerve of having this guy anywhere close to that school.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 2/20/2008 @ 10:56 pm PT...
Marc Grossman is a nuclear weapon selling traitor, like Dennis Hastert and the other 23 that have HELPED drag America down to an all time low turning the US government into an evil careless loser giant that must be killed off. The sooner the better. I can't wait until this bushit machine implodes just like bush's blowjob, Federal World Trade Tower building #7 on false flag 9/11 without any hijacked aircraft of arab terrorists required. It just goes to show how in reality, you can get away with being such a muther fcking bastard by lying your ace off, and of course make a nice buck off your loser work along the way. As least for a while huh marc.
Marc Grossman you disgust me more that the crooks who steal US elections because just like your crooked accomplices who have over-run Washington, you are just a 2 faced paracite endangering world people and making the future of the place we live more unsafe for your own greedy personal gains. You think you know how to play the game and talk the talk however the truth will be your demise. Don't ever cross me in public because you can bet your ace my $2 box cutter will be drawn. You will get prosecuted in a world court and sentenced to prison with all the other lying murderous treasonous destructors in the bush-cheney crime family.
This new election is gonna be a sham just like the last. Bush's defense budget proposal to the criminal majority in Congress to make our world secure during the time of his oil war? 515.4 BILLION.