READER COMMENTS ON
"Exclusive: PA's Primary Results Website Listed Obama Three Times, With Three Differing Totals on Election Night"
(27 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Cyteria
said on 4/24/2008 @ 6:42 pm PT...
Curious and curioser, said Alice.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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GWN
said on 4/24/2008 @ 7:11 pm PT...
I was taking notes Tues as I flipped channels and at one point, around 9-9:30 pm, ABC did show Clinton 53, Obama 47. I thought I may have made a mistake but now that I see this, maybe not.
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CDM
said on 4/24/2008 @ 7:45 pm PT...
GWN said: "I was taking notes Tues as I flipped channels and at one point, around 9-9:30 pm, ABC did show Clinton 53, Obama 47. I thought I may have made a mistake but now that I see this, maybe not."
I saw it too --- at one point the gap was actually 5 points.
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Agent 99
said on 4/24/2008 @ 8:05 pm PT...
I hope Matt's not waiting by his phone... he might starve....
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Jerry Berkman
said on 4/24/2008 @ 10:49 pm PT...
I saw this a couple times too on election night;
it was really weird. I didn't know what to make of it.
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Julie
said on 4/25/2008 @ 5:58 am PT...
Matt,
Good work for saving those pages! Now--
If you haven't already, get in touch with Bev Harris at www.blackboxvoting.org,they are preparing their "Freedom of Information" requests for a forensic examination of what happened in PA.
Unfortunately, people from out-of-state can't make the requests, so they are looking for "co-signers" for the requests from people who live in PA.
Thanks!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 4/25/2008 @ 6:20 am PT...
If anyones interested, here is a pretty good (and short) write-up on Power Line Communications describing the ABC's.
Pretty soon they'll be able to put a small CCD in your refrigerator and see what you pull out to eat, how often, how many times you go in there, etc.
The Manufacturers are already putting the chips in the new energy efficient models so the power company can shut them off or raise the temp. if they need to at peak times.
Looks like in the future every aspect of our lives will be monitored with this new technology. (including voting?)
Just think, you'll be able to vote and see the results on the control panel on your refrigerator door...nice :snark:
Link
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COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 4/25/2008 @ 6:34 am PT...
...even better, we'll have a biometric device mounted on the handle of the refrigerator so that your life insurance policy carrier can lock you out or raise your premium if you go in there too many times
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Lloyd
said on 4/25/2008 @ 7:19 am PT...
No - I saw this happen for John McCain and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama multiple times while refreshing the page. It always went away immediately (after one refresh)
It's clearly a system bug, possibly having to do with cached data sources, and more likely than not, applies only to the website.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Derek
said on 4/25/2008 @ 7:40 am PT...
When I viewed the PA Primary Results page on Tuesday night I saw three listings for Clinton and one listing for Obama. It definitely seems like it was more of a web interface glitch. When I clicked on the link to only view the Presidential Race results it only showed one listing for Obama and one listing for Clinton.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Jeannie Dean in FL-13
said on 4/25/2008 @ 8:48 am PT...
GWN & CDM (#2/#3)-- Me too. Glad to see your posts, here, today...thought I was going bonky watching the returns on Tuesday.
Okay, I'm not crazy...yet.
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Emlev
said on 4/25/2008 @ 9:20 am PT...
Future headline?
Voter Turnout Zero Percent! Officials Reassure Public Glitch Had No Effect on Final Vote Totals!
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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BCC
said on 4/25/2008 @ 9:42 am PT...
I'm very concerned about unauditable elections, but I am not really worried about this one. This really appears to be an issue with the website code, as opposed to any vote tallying upstream (which may well have other bugs).
I think we need to be careful about calling "Wolf" every time something appears at all fishy.
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Matt
said on 4/25/2008 @ 9:52 am PT...
That's fine. No one's cryin' 'wolf' - just fishy. I'd love to hear more from tech experts who may have seen this before. I'd also love to hear from the PA DoS.
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Computer Guy
said on 4/25/2008 @ 10:24 am PT...
I agree with BCC's comment above. I've developed a site to display election results for a government agency, and in my experience the Web site is just a display system that is totally disconnected from the tabulation process --- by law, I think, since the vote tabulation software should not be networked to anything else.
People interested in election integrity have to be careful about jumping at too many issues, because that helps both the basically well meaning officials who are not up for the work of fixing election problems as well as the operatives who steal elections (e.g. Karl Rove) to dismiss us as crazies.
BTW, the assertion that people concerned about election integrity are crazies who should wear "tinfoil hats" rings pretty hollow to me. When I went to volunteer for Reagan in 1984, I was asked by party officials to participate in dirty tricks aimed at preventing get out the vote efforts. That's when I became a Democrat.
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Anjha
said on 4/25/2008 @ 10:51 am PT...
Hey, PA has taken their county map of results down. I also cannot access the map that shows which machines are used in which county?
I know that Brad has stated that more than 85% of PA votes on machines; is there any info on any counties/districts that are hand counted? Are there any?
I would be curious to see the results of these districts.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Fred
said on 4/25/2008 @ 11:16 am PT...
Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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GWN
said on 4/25/2008 @ 12:03 pm PT...
#16 Anjha, the map of results is still there but as you say the one showing which machines were used says "The requested article is no longer published."
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GWN
said on 4/25/2008 @ 12:28 pm PT...
#16 Anjha, here is a site Brad mentioned to see which machines were used.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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The End
said on 4/25/2008 @ 12:40 pm PT...
This is what Hillary's "experience" amounts to: the knowledge of who to bribe & how to cheat the system. With her & Bill's +$100 million and their network of fat-cats & corporate big-wigs who know that Hillary will "play ball" more readily than Obama, it's much easier for someone like Hillary to rig votes, lie, cheat & steal. THAT is what she means by "experience."
An "up-start" or "newcomer" like Obama is more likely to rely on his integrity and merits alone, which is something that corporate America can't have. This is probably the true sub-text of Hillary's "Obama can't win" comment to Bill Richardson--not that he is "unable" to win, but that he should "not be ALLOWED" to win.
Want 4 more years of lies, corruption, and Middle East war-mongering? Then vote for Hillary.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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johnny
said on 4/25/2008 @ 3:17 pm PT...
Man these voting systems sure are hillarious.
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Anjha
said on 4/25/2008 @ 6:29 pm PT...
Thanks for the links. I also found this one and it does not appear that any counties hand count. If anyone knows of counties or precincts that do, I would be interested in comparing that data.
Again, thanks for keepin up the good fight.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Anjha
said on 4/25/2008 @ 6:31 pm PT...
oops, duh
should have checked your verifier link first.
Thanks
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Matt
said on 4/26/2008 @ 12:47 am PT...
The link to verified voting's national map of voting systems referenced earlier in this thread is very useful. Brad has also posted the cached original map [PDF] from the Pennsylvania Department of State page which details the manufacturers that each county patronizes in the Keystone State.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Joyce
said on 4/26/2008 @ 1:17 pm PT...
Brad please visit the link below and see pictures of broken (cracked) voting machines and extremely long lines! You should get in touch with the guy who documented this:
Dirty Tricks" We know who really won.......
By Christopher - Apr 23rd, 2008
If you were planning to vote yesterday in the Pennsylvania primary you had another thing coming as reports of voting machine problems in all of Obama's stronghold precincts. Several machines were malfunctioning in the city, leading one local community leader to allege "dirty tricks" were the cause.
Many residents trying to cast ballots yesterday found long lines and broken machines and intimidation across the region.
Six of ten machines were down at a busy Delaware County polling site. It took 103 people 8 hours to vote in Upper Darby, which is heavily populated by immigrant and first time voters. Many of those freshly-minted voters had difficulties using the six machines that still functioned. "Hell of a day for six of the machines to go down," said one poll worker.
In South Philadelphia, voting machines were broken at 4th and Ritner, smack dab in the middle of a Obama strong hold. "The dirty tricks have begun," said John Lucas, spokesman for the election board, who sees a conspiracy.
....more at the link
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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GWN
said on 4/26/2008 @ 6:27 pm PT...
#25 Joyce, I believe some of those pictures are from the 2006 election. I know the one with broken machine is.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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MarkH
said on 4/27/2008 @ 2:14 pm PT...
I had hoped our problems were confined to the Republican dirty tricksters. Now the disease seems to be appearing in the Democratic party.
If Hillary felt cheated and is cheating in response, then I guess they've all given up on democracy as too unpredictable and messy.
Oh woe is us.