How about all those shredded/destroyed hard drives and emails from the "what house!" I still say if "they" didn't own the textbook companies that teach our children, we would never have come to this. God, I love Gore Vidal:
http://www.democracynow....author_gore_vidal_on_the

And oh yeah, feith go suck some more corrupt Israeli intelligence/propaganda ass!

Now, just remember I am an honorary jew.

What happens when a President who's "as dumb as a stump" takes the advice of "the fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth?"

"the first actually intelligent, respectful discussion"

Well, Steward may be funny, but this is absolutely week! He gives Feith far too much leeway. Did he drink cool aid before the broadcast or is he simply unprepared and only claims to have read the book?

Now that it is too late, one suggestion:
Amazon search for "curveball" brings up three hits, one from the index, one from Back Matter (very interesting) and this:

1. on Page 489:
"... an Iraqi defector code-named "Curveball" misled the CIA about Saddam's biological weapons program. CIA officials had relied heavily on this defector before the war, even ..."

SORRY, NO!! The Cia was informed by the German secret service that "curveball" wasn't trustworthy. So, no, the CIA can't have been mislead.

Further the contents tells us that this only appears in lessons and debate, so we can assume that nothing interesting is in the actual Iraq chapters?

Interestingly this is on the back.

2. from Back Matter:
"... War: Colin Powell presented the U.N. with details on mobile germ factories, which came from a now-discredited source known as `Curveball,- Los Angeles Times, March 28, 2004, p. Al. 489 "not an explanation for his fabrications": SSCI Report on the Chalabi ..."

How about the students paper?

The myth about the CIA misjudged matters.

Seems I change my mind about Steward. But it sure was better for his career.

Stewart missed a big opportunity when Feith said he had gathered the info from letters, correspondence from Rumsfeld, Rice, etc.

Since the White House says all of that shit is missing and or destroyed, then how did Feith get ahold of that stuff?

Intelligent and respectful discussion? More like bush-co propaganda hour with Feith & Stewart. I an at a loss to understand why Stewart would give Feith so much air time to spin his lies, or why he would even have the warmonger on the Daily Show at all. Does Stewart also have dual US - Israeli citizenship, like Feith?

I watched Vidal from your link Ancient

I say the same thing as he does, the Republicans cry when they get caught up in their own irony.

'When Ironies Collide', I feel a new movie plot coming on

I also liked his answer to Amy's last question...GREAT!!

I'm sure going to miss him when his time comes.

Not to dis Stewart, he is a great comedian, but this is soooooo yesterday.

The NEWS is supposed to be what is NEW, not what is old stagnant discourse brad bloggers talked about years ago!

The MSM is the main propaganda arm of the neoFascist military oil complex.

Even that is old news information.

The NEWS is we are going to have a president who knows what is going on, and it is not McFeith McFeign McCain, nd it is going to be in less than a year. YIPPIE!!

And from the looks of it, a greater majority in the House and Senate.

"Send the GOP pigs back to wallow in their mire" is the slogan of '08!!! Good riddance.

This is an example of NEWS:

In the two weeks since I asked Dana Perino whether the White House knew about or approved of the Pentagon's use of TV military analysts as propaganda tools, I've been back to the briefing room three times (May 6, 12, and 13) to try to ask a follow-up question. As is her wont, Dana has refused to call on me.

(Raw Story, emphasis added).

Hey guys! Come on!!

If you invite someone on to your show only to rip into him on-air, how many other guests do you think you'd get to agree to be on your show whose opinions you don't share? You'd be just like BillO. Invite 'em on, and then yell at them and tell them to "shut up!"

Understanding how Feith actually thinks provides valuable insight into at least one part of the whole run-up to the invasion. Listen to his argument carefully. Integrate his position into your own thinking. And then use that insight to address future extremist right-wing fringe-types.

If we are ever to make a serious commitment to peace, it must start within each and every one of us. There is a time to butt heads, and that is up front, before the shit hits the fan, not five years afterwards. Attacking Feith will accomplish nothing, prevent nothing. Except make progressives look like the other side of the coin of right-wing mouthpieces like BillO and Hannity and Coulter.

I have an area to suggest that genuinely needs some public clarification right now. All those white, working-class guys who think Obama is an evildoer out to ruin America because his middle name is Hussein and he attended a madrassa in Indonesia while he was a child. The campaign that Fox Pseudo-News took up to raise Obama's "negatives" has had a great deal of success. We need to undo that.

Or another area would be this Thor dude who's traveling all over the country pushing for regulations that will prevent people from voting for Obama. That is something that can still theoretically be stopped, or at least stalled, or lessened.

But Feith? He is pathetic. He is a testament to what happens when someone who's not very bright from our privileged class has access to an ivy-league education and then finds himself in a position of power and influence. He's not just not the sharpest knife in the drawer. He's so dull that everything he attempts to slice through gets squashed and ruined. He will never again be in a position like he was. Even his students at GWU say that they take his class out of curiosity, that they can hardly believe he thinks the things he does.

Thank Christ for Jon Stewart & The Daily Show. His writers are consistently informed & irreverent & he is funny as hell. But he can also, as here, be smooth & sly, using his considerable charm to put guests like Feith at ease & getting them to open up to him.

Who else can you name these days who's able to do that? Colbert is great, but Stewart's show allows him the room to take off the comedian's hat sometimes & sink his teeth into an issue. Or a person, as the case may be.

He's so good at it, too. He can draw a little metaphorical blood before his victim/guest even knows they've been bitten. And it's not just for the comedy, obviously. In the guise of comedy sketches he & his crew have managed to poke their pointed little satiric fingers into plenty of sore spots that the rest of the msm have pretty much ignored.

Aww man, don't say that Stewart drinks the kool-aid. That would be soo fucking sad! If he did, could he have gone on Crossfire and said what he did? Looking pretty uncomfortable towards the end, too, and ending with telling Tucker Carlson that he was "as big a dick on [his] own show as he is on every other show"? ..........Nah.

I went to youtube & watched that Stewart on Crossfire clip again. I swear, if I met the man personally, I'd shake his hand & thank him for having the guts. I tried to add a link but I've gotten rusty in my old age. If you go to youtube, it's there. Definitely worth a look.

Linda and Joan,

Like people in America don't know that D. Feith of our Monsters fucked up BIG TIME 6 years ago and the MSM propaganda arm of the military oil complex has been scrubbing the hell out of their ass each time they change McFeith and crew's diapers these daze???

I know Jon and crew could be wonderful about the 100 years war (a 100 years and more ago) too, but is he not allowed to talk about NEWS ??

Why must it be about OLDS before we grab it?

The future has millions and millions of deaths in it. Even some whole nations are going to go down.

The death-humor thingy could have some skits that would wake people up. HA HA HA I never thought about a nation being put to death. HA HA HA (Iraq did happen that way? Miss USA on Iraq is the latest pill addiction craze. What? ... a pill ... she is ... on?)

HA HA HA ... You know, contrasting a sea of floating bodies with ... say ... cherrios the zero cereal?? The cherrios you deserve??

I love Jon Stewart, S. Colbert, and the Saturday Night Live ideology.

But the time for laughing about this shit is over and the time for war crimes trials is upon us.

The special comment was spot on last night, Keith was good

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Jesus, Dredd. I agree that it's time for war crimes trials...long PAST time, if you ask me. But you don't think they've done skits that might wake people up? Heartily disagree, my friend. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who still have never heard of Douglas Feith & his bloody little Office of Special Plans.

And without humor, Christ, we might as well all just take the cyanide pill. I'm not quite ready to do that. Nothing would make me happier than to see these bastards in jail, despite the sad fact that (oh, heaven forfend) they might daily be subjected to the kinds of barbarities they've inflicted on god knows how many people.

Until then, I (tentatively) admire people like Stewart & Olbermann who dare to use what means they have--humor included--to speak as much 'truth to power' as they can. 'Tentatively' because who the hell knows. Both of them may be on the white house payroll as moles for all I know.
THAT would be fucking depressing, but after I escape to Canada I reserve the right to laugh, goddammit!

I just think that Dredd and the other bloggers in this thread who are angry at Jon for not skewering Feith's stupid little ass are reflective of the frustration and anger those of us who actually know what's going on are feeling. We feel culpable, and those feelings of culpability have to go somewhere.

Keep writing, keep talking, keep voting, keep speaking out, and get on your representatives' asses. It's THEIR DUTY to provide a check on the executive branch's power and to represent the people, and not the corporations and their lobbyists. If there's anyone we should be PO'ed at, it's our Congress.

"Never Again . . . . . happened again . . . "

By whose that knew better therefore there is No excuse.

Dredd~

Great GEORGE BERNARD SHAW quote: "If you're going to tell a man the truth, you better make it funny."

I would also add that TDS and COLBERT REPORT are SYNDICATED WORLD WIDE (even picked up on NEWS FEEDS in some remote regions); I could argue that these "fake" comedy news shows are currently our nation's most CRITICAL EXPORT (not much to compare it to, I know)--but it sure beats BRITTANY and PARIS and FLAG LAPEL PIN DISCUSSIONS as prism insight of the caliber of discourse within a nation at (illegal, immoral, criminal) war...

I believe we are LESS hated by those who would condemn the likes of YOU and ME at the hands of this TREASONOUS administration/ perhaps the reason the citizens of countries we claim to be a threat to us can still distinguish between hating the US GOVERNMENT, and not the US, the PEOPLE...

May very well be STEWART, COLBERT and SNL that do the slippy trick. Yes, color me biased--but I truly believe that comedy is a cure-all.
Well, mine anyway.

Feith led the controversial Office of Special Plans (OSP) at the Pentagon from September 2002 to June 2003.[45] This now defunct intelligence gathering unit has been accused of manipulating intelligence to bolster support for the 2003 US invasion of Iraq.[46] According to The Guardian, "This rightwing intelligence network [was] set up in Washington to second-guess the CIA and deliver a justification for toppling Saddam Hussein by force."[47] According to Kwiatkowski, the Office of Special Plans was "a propaganda shop" and she personally "witnessed neoconservative agenda bearers within OSP usurp measured and carefully considered assessments, and through suppression and distortion of intelligence analysis promulgate what were in fact falsehoods to both Congress and the executive office of the president."[48][49] Senator Carl Levin, in an official report on the Office of Special Plans, singles Feith out as providing to the White House a large amount of Iraq-Al Qaeda allegations which, post-invasion, turned out to be false.[50] Disarmament expert George Perkovich of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace told National Public Radio in 2004, "By all accounts, things in Iraq have gone very, very badly. Doug Feith should have been fired a long time ago for incompetence."[51]

Yet he still shows up?

What the fuck is wrong with the tv networks?

Douglas Feith, the traitor, should be in shackles by now.

Douglas Feith should have been arrested on an international warrant and should face war crimes, period!

Troubled

I've never watched Stewart before, but will have to consider him from now on. And like Linda and Joan, I'm comfortable with his style of handling Feith - the clips kindda remind me of the old W.F. Buckley "Firing Line" series. I can at least imagine that Bill would have given Marx or Engels a forum if he had the opportunity! Now, for those of you who want a REAL skewering of Feith go to antiwar.com and find the column of "additional contributors", go down to Michael Scheuer and read his latest.

okay detractors ... I concede ... and also admit that I love you dearly ... keep on keeping on with your absolutely fabulous Americanism ... it is the greatest thing in the universe ... and it must forever bring down bad governments ... all people everywhere need you and trust you ... AMERICA ... the place that puts Amurka down!!!

Never shake hands with a war criminal. It implies they are a human being.

Feith has the blood of hundreds of thousands of dead Iraquis and millions more displaced. Not to mention all those who will die because of the resources that were wasted in the Iraq war and not available for other endeavours.

He should be in prison for life or executed for war crimes, not on television looking and sounding like a "normal person" to those who have not read the history of "fixing the intelligence to the plan."

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Wait wait wait...

"absolutely fabulous Americanism"? "it is the greatest thing in the universe"?

Jeez, Dredd, hyperbolize much?
Or maybe I misunderstood you, always a possibility.
In any case, since I remember you from previously here as informed, way smarter than I am, and not blind to the current horrorshow... ..love you too, darlin'.

Geez Dredd, nice to see when you take some time off...an come back, folks are remembering! I already "sedd" my picturing of Teddy K today.... whole and healthy. Camelot lives! The people's candidate seems to be doing well, !

Lets just hope they don't KILL this one.