READER COMMENTS ON
"Conyers to Probe Bush Admin's Forged Iraq Intel"
(24 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2008 @ 3:16 pm PT...
You know, as an outsider looking in I think Conyers is a good, honest, man but has been silenced by "whom ever", Pelosi? The investigation on his wife ? Threats? I look at recent pictures of him and you can see the sadness in his expression. I think this is killing him. I don't know what is going on but I think he has been "silenced". What really happened to Kucinich's brother, has that ever been investigated?
Cheney's got a gun...and he would use it IMO.
NSA fu(k u.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2008 @ 3:34 pm PT...
The "Silencing" was done at the behest of one of our native fascists, Felix Rohatyn by name. As a financier of note, he furnished the money necessary for the takeover of the Chilean government by Pinochet; we all know how that came out. Unfortunately, he also supplies a lot of money for the Democrats' war chest, and has cultivated Nancy Pelosi as a personal friend. He says "Don't do something," and the House doesn't do it, because Nancy is in control of all of the Committee chairmen. As long as Politics is financed by the criminal element, we are going to have Congressmen and women who refuse to obey their oaths to defend the Constitution. Nowadays since the Lansky- Bronfman Organized Crime Syndicate furnished money to BOTH parties, we have a reallyy strange bunch in DC.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2008 @ 3:47 pm PT...
To the Honorable John Conyers, Jr.
Have you sent a copy of these concerns to Speaker Pelosi? Because she has stated more than once that if only someone would bring to her attention an actual CRIME our george has committed, well THEN she would, of course, leap to follow the law & begin impeachment proceedings.
Still, I do have my doubts. After all, invading countries is nothing new. Neither is stealing elections. Kidnapping, torture, rendition...all probably safely within the law, especially given his signing statements. Outing a covert agent & her network is a bit sticky; but even that was understandable given that cocky know-it-all Wilson. And really, raining death, destruction, maiming and misery down on tens of thousands is simply the stuff of war.
Katrina, though: letting a cityful of your own citizens die of starvation and drowning, refusing countless offers of food, water & medical supplies...that does look bad. And all the cronyism & propaganda... ach! but that was all so long ago. People forget. The Olympics will help!
Bypassing FISA...phfft! We wouldn't even have HAD the damn FISA court if it weren't for Nixon being so sloppy! That was clearly HIS fault. And that antiquated habeas corpus nonsense...honestly, most people don't even know what that means.
You know Congressman, I can see now that I've been worrying needlessly. So what if half our votes end up in a dumpster. Most people don't even vote!
I guess Nan's right after all: nothing this president has done rises---if you'll forgive the pun---to the level of the high crime of fellatio.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2008 @ 4:19 pm PT...
What a load of crap! Like all his other fake activities, nothing will come of this, too. I think his job is to keep us hopeful and distracted. He can put himself on the list of traitors like all the others.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2008 @ 5:06 pm PT...
Conyers inability to move and his recent backing off can be attributed to Pelosi. He was going great guns with a lot of ammunition until she took over as Speaker. We need to remove her from this position by what ever means Congress legally has.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2008 @ 5:46 pm PT...
So what are the scenerios here?
1. Pelosi and Conyers submit impeachment proceedings against George w.
What are the concequences? Darth Cheney becomes president.
2. Pelosi and Conyers arrests Addington, Myers, etc. for contempt of Congress.
George W. grants them all a pardon.
If the American people are lucky enough to survive George Dubya's reign as Terrorist King, himself, Darth Cheney, Addington, Meyers, and yes, all the neocons should be shipped to The Hague.
I suggest we wait until they are all out of office and then have them arrested for violating the Geneva Conventions.
Violating the Geneva Conventions could bring Death Warrants.
I'd be a happy man.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2008 @ 5:50 pm PT...
I am as frustrated as anyone else, but it does look like Conyers is being corralled by Pelosi. All of these hearings are on the public record and are helping to embarrass the republicans a little at a time. I loved it when he held up Vincent Bugliosi's book at the disguised impeachment hearing.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2008 @ 7:39 pm PT...
(Short (metaphor) Rant by Phil)
Continuing with the same pattern.
Conyers probe = small piece of chocolate/sugar to appease the masses (metaphor)
Pelosi hasn't read impeachment articles = Whoops forgot to tie those shoestrings again (metaphor)
If Cindy Sheehan get's elected, we need to make sure she has shoes or boots with velcro ™ fasteners (metaphor). Sugar and chocolate only go so far (metaphor), and the do nothing to fix real problems.
The democrats shoe supplier is a front for fascist enablers (metaphor), when every time they need shoes to kick ass (metaphor), slip them on fast (metaphor) and arrive on time (metaphor) for important bills in the Senate, they always manage to trip over the shoestring (metaphor) showing up late (metaphor), or usually not at all. (metaphor)
Usually on the most important legislation.
Republicans are all wearing the black steel-toe combat boots with lots of scratches (metaphor), showing up first (metaphor) and staying late. (metaphor)
Will Democrats just attempt (then fail) to ban combat boots in the Senate again this year? (metaphor) Or will they set their alarm clocks an hour or two early (metaphor), and call their family and say they're coming home late? (metaphor)
I predict more of the same pattern, e.g. the former. (metaphor)
I call this style of English, "echoing metaphor English" it's similar to the "repeating the propaganda" fascist brand of English, but in fact the opposite.
So, everyone go out and buy a Chocolate, some popcorn, pick up a copy of "The Uncounted" and have a nice day!
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2008 @ 10:57 pm PT...
Mr. Conyers is setting the stage to unfold after the election and a democratic congress and hopefully also president is in play. Crimes do not disappear because the administration ends; sure makes it easier to convict though.
Film at 11.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2008 @ 11:37 pm PT...
From The Declaration of Independence
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, It is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, Laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to Laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and
Happiness. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 8/11/2008 @ 11:59 pm PT...
Duuuude. We've known about this for 5+ yrs. Why are we so suddenly concerned about this now? It's obvious that we already have the fascist government we deserve, do we really need to push the issue? Do we really need Conyer's and Kucinich's failure to persuade the brickheaded representatives to consider impeachment, etc to further remind us and further reinforce how disempowered, boring, inert, ineffective, castrated, impotent, insubstantial, characterless yet unyieldingly and blindly authoritarian, how utterly irrelevant and traitorous Congress is at present?
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2008 @ 12:37 am PT...
Here's a suggestion:
If for whatever reasons the assorted criminals involved in this administration should not be held accountable during the remainder of Bush's term, perhaps we as citizens can do something once they are out of office.
Case in point, the attempted citizen's arrest of Karl Rove the other week in Iowa. While some states are not friendly to the Citizens' Arrest process, others seem to spell it out as quite feasible to perform a citizen's arrest of a known felon. This could make life interesting for these criminals in many states should they travel to them. Here's an excerpt of California's Penal Code:
837. A private person may arrest another:
1. For a public offense committed or attempted in his presence.
2. When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.
3. When a felony has been in fact committed, and he has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.
If a handful of legal scholars could help craft a national list of where this can be done, what the exact laws are and what must be told to responding law enforcement who have likely never dealt with this, perhaps we could achieve a modicum of accountability in this manner.
Likewise, there would be a need for a concise list of names, felonies committed and brief evidence notes in one readily accessible easily printed database. These "cheat sheets" could then be carried in one's pocket to show authorities during any citizens' arrest.
If Congress can't do it, maybe we the people can. At the very least it could make travel, fundraising and speeches very awkward for these criminals. Any thoughts on this idea?
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2008 @ 3:54 am PT...
I think one answer could be to greet our elected officials when they return to Washington from the vacation and inform them of the crimes that have been in our names and that We the People will not let these aggressions stand any longer.
It took mass marches on Washington DC to stop the Vietnam War and it will take even a larger action by the people to get the attention of todays compromised politions.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2008 @ 4:42 am PT...
There was an investigation on Conyers'wife? Other threats against him and Kucinich's as well as his brother?
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
Off the Grid
said on 8/12/2008 @ 11:36 am PT...
Is this supposed to be funny...a toothless dog chasing his tail? Democon pandering isn't news...it's propaganda. I for one have had my fill.
If Coke and Pepsi are the only choices I guess we're having sugar water. Buy Now. Hope is on the horizon.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2008 @ 11:45 am PT...
Conyers is just 'Driving Miss Nancy'.
Let them eat pie.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2008 @ 6:19 pm PT...
#12 Citizens Arrest,
That all sounds like a goddamn good idea to me. Keep repeating it.
Like FOIA #10 said "it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government"
IT IS THEIR RIGHT...IT IS THEIR DUTY!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 8/12/2008 @ 6:20 pm PT...
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 8/13/2008 @ 12:23 pm PT...
another investigation that will go no where, obstructed, cover-up and "priveleges" (which is really just a new way of saying, F.O.!, I AM KING!!)...the GOP will cry and scream about partisan witch hunting and the Dems will wring their hands and beg forgiveness for their wicked, wicked ways...SSDD
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
John H Kennedy
said on 8/14/2008 @ 6:02 pm PT...
US House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers is calling the membership of the Judiciary Committee back from their Fall recess to investigate Ron Suskind's revelations about the forged letter that falsely said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
It has been reported that the order to the CIA to have the letter forged came on White House Stationary.
On Democracy Now today Conyers said "The 110th Congress isn't over. We're starting our work, and then we're doing it in a period where the Congress is in recess. I'm calling everybody back. We've got a huge amount of work to engage in."
Here's the link to Democracynow.org
Please contact the Judiciary Committee to
urge them to impeach now:
202-225-3951 FAX: 202-225-7680
Please help by contacting all media outlets and
members of Congress.
Impeachment. More important than ever. Plenty of time.
John H Kennedy,
43 yr Democratic voter
Obama delegate to the Denver Co. Dem.Convention.
Impeach Colorado Coalition ImpeachCO.com
IMPEACHMENT IS COMING
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 8/15/2008 @ 3:56 am PT...
Yeah, the last two episodes of Democracy Now are a must see if you have broadband, a must hear or read if you have dial-up! Thank You Democracy Now!
We can't put the entire load on John Conyers. He is right that the media is a huge problem. Just look at the non-coverage and lies about the Anthrax!
Ron Suskind is bringing me hope that the American people are finally waking up to their ability to participate and change the direction of this country. We are going to win!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 8/16/2008 @ 9:33 am PT...
Hey Larry #21, I say in this energy driven war society we start getting more people like you to stand in front of the "news" outlets aking why this hasen't been top story:
Hey Olberman, instead of pacifying us with the reflective voice of those that aren't totally brain washed yet...I dare you to put the above breakthrough information on your show to inform and not just assuage us!
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 8/17/2008 @ 12:46 am PT...
Very interesting and hopeful article. I wonder if Al Gore knew about this study when he said we could have energy independence in ten years.
Please make it be so! China will thank us too!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 8/17/2008 @ 1:06 pm PT...
Hey Larry, my partner works in the energy industry and he says its finally the real deal. It would entail over the next several years investing and building the large plants using the technology and also investing in upgrading our existing power grid. You know this info was out when lie-ber-man held his t.boon pickens congressional hearing about our energy crisis and not a fing word was mentioned about it.
Ha, because the oil boys won't get more subsidies to own it all! Lastly screw deregulation, you should hear inside the industry horror stories since our enronization. Its pitiful the mentality than now runs the electric utility industry! I'd like to see many people become aware of this information and use it during this election cycle to get a say in where to go with our energy crisis. Make sure the candidates and media are aware and have it discussed in front of the general public instead of inside blow-your-face-off's secret enclave. Pass it on to any activist you know!